**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 25 02:59:57 2011 Apr 25 09:03:11 Moin! Apr 25 12:27:59 Afternoon! Good afternoon, in fact, very warm and nice afternoon here... Apr 25 12:44:41 opkg update/upgrade gives me problems at the moment: http://pastebin.com/pY6Ly91X Apr 25 13:04:43 Also, anyone here who can help me build shr-apps locally? Apr 25 13:18:16 It seems that the 'packages' file in http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/ is the version form Arpil 21st. There are files ther for April 22nd, however. This makes 'opkg upgrade' fail! Apr 25 16:35:17 JaMa|Off: Can you help me build a package locally? Apr 25 16:35:55 The Wiki doesn't help me here... Apr 25 16:36:06 I can try Apr 25 16:36:53 [On shr-chroot-32] Apr 25 16:37:55 I have a directory ~/shr-unstable/shr-apps with lots of subfolders (made with 'git clone') Apr 25 16:38:49 I editted ~/shr-unstable/shr-apps/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/dialer-view.c Apr 25 16:39:30 My ~/shr-unstable/local.conf includes the line 'require local-builds.inc' Apr 25 16:39:35 2 questions: Apr 25 16:39:46 - What goes into local-builds.inc? Apr 25 16:40:02 do you have conf/local-builds.inc with that example? Apr 25 16:40:21 - What do I need to 'bb' to get my diffs compiled? Apr 25 16:40:35 there should be example for libphone-ui-shr Apr 25 16:41:00 you need to sand in that directory with your checkout Apr 25 16:41:03 stand Apr 25 16:41:21 Local-builds.inc: http://pastebin.com/8zhP6wb8 Apr 25 16:42:17 ChristW: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-makefile.git;a=blob_plain;f=conf/local-builds.inc;hb=HEAD Apr 25 16:42:22 it should look like this Apr 25 16:42:23 The example on the Wiki (http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR) talks about libframeworkd Apr 25 16:42:28 Ok, I'll get that one. Apr 25 16:44:03 Quite a difference! Apr 25 16:45:19 * JaMa|Off fixed that old wiki entry Apr 25 16:46:35 * ChristW is updating FR with the newest SHR-u. Apr 25 16:54:36 imap.openmoko.org timed out :-S Apr 25 16:54:49 wpwrak: ^^^ confirm? Apr 25 17:03:35 GNUtoo|laptop: big wifi antenna... heh... I did not even have plain GSM reception on our capming site :P Apr 25 17:03:51 TAsn: works fine for me though Apr 25 17:04:05 hi mrmoku Apr 25 17:04:06 captainigloo: yeah, with newer dbus it does not work for me too Apr 25 17:04:08 hi GNUtoo|laptop Apr 25 17:04:11 you're back I guess Apr 25 17:04:14 yup Apr 25 17:04:33 mrmoku, I haven't noticed anything myself Apr 25 17:04:46 but apparently bad things happen :) Apr 25 17:07:12 TAsn: running an upgrade now... which brings 2.6.38.3 Apr 25 17:07:16 do I have to pray now? Apr 25 17:07:24 nah, I'm using that Apr 25 17:07:57 good :) Apr 25 17:08:07 * mrmoku is not very good in prayers :P Apr 25 17:08:45 what's happening? Apr 25 17:10:12 GNUtoo|laptop: running 'pacman -Syu' on my laptop Apr 25 17:10:24 ah ok Apr 25 17:10:33 I tough something bad happened to TAsn Apr 25 17:10:43 like health issues or something very bad Apr 25 17:11:10 nah :P Apr 25 17:11:18 :) Apr 25 17:11:26 thanks for worrying though Apr 25 17:12:46 GNUtoo|laptop: so, next thing is to see what's happening on startup... Apr 25 17:13:06 ok Apr 25 17:13:13 the segfault I saw was due to the network subsystem not yet being there (aka null) when requesting the network status I think Apr 25 17:13:26 DocScrutinizer: openoko ... dunno, i've migrated to almesberger.net after the last collapse Apr 25 17:13:27 ok Apr 25 17:14:00 wpwrak: mhm, yeah. Apr 25 17:14:43 if it wasn't for the 97 mailinglists... :-S Apr 25 17:17:13 DocScrutinizer, you follow 97 mailing lists???? Apr 25 17:18:54 mrmoku, it still segfault or did you fix? Apr 25 17:19:02 else you could gdbserver it Apr 25 17:21:15 GNUtoo|laptop: nah, just came back had not time to fix anything yet :) Apr 25 17:21:30 ok Apr 25 17:21:38 I was busy with other stuff too (replicant) Apr 25 17:21:56 I had to integrate a lot of patches of an user who fixed the SDK Apr 25 17:22:06 but I saw mickeyl started to play with cmtspeech... this is a good thing :-) Apr 25 17:22:13 not exactly Apr 25 17:22:20 he wants us to start to play with it Apr 25 17:22:24 that's why he added it Apr 25 17:22:34 19:00 < CIA-10> 15:48:42> freesmartphone.org: mickey utilities * r509d02ca4608 /nokian900/cmtspeechtest/ (5 files in 2 dirs): nokian900/cmtspeech: first sketch at basic voice data test app using libcmtspeechdata Apr 25 17:22:42 yes Apr 25 17:22:44 it's for us Apr 25 17:22:50 good anyway :) Apr 25 17:22:55 so we can start playing with it Apr 25 17:23:41 * mrmoku is very motivated to play with anything after some day without keys under his fingers ;) Apr 25 17:23:58 excellent, so you could do the following Apr 25 17:24:16 1st) check whether you can get audio with ofono and cmtspeechtest-ofono (which is a part of libcmtspeechdata) Apr 25 17:24:29 no need to play with our stuff until we can hear anything at all Apr 25 17:24:34 GNUtoo|laptop: maybe 79 Apr 25 17:24:42 or 42 Apr 25 17:24:48 then we can move to our stack Apr 25 17:24:49 way too many Apr 25 17:24:55 mickeyl: is libcmtspeechdata in OE? Apr 25 17:24:58 of course :) Apr 25 17:25:02 good :) Apr 25 17:25:08 congrats Apr 25 17:25:28 because i'm still not sure whether we need additional setup for audio Apr 25 17:25:29 * mrmoku heatens his build host Apr 25 17:25:50 our cmtspeechtest _does_ something, but i didn't hear any audio Apr 25 17:26:00 so before looking into, lets get a working baseline again Apr 25 17:26:04 ok Apr 25 17:26:09 you need to setup amps and mixers and shit Apr 25 17:26:16 much like on FR Apr 25 17:26:16 that's what i was afraid of :/ Apr 25 17:26:21 no idea how to do that Apr 25 17:26:30 with wifes partner sim I can do as many test calls as I want :) Apr 25 17:26:30 amixer Apr 25 17:26:39 hmm, my kernel no alsa Apr 25 17:26:45 :-( Apr 25 17:26:45 mrmoku: very good Apr 25 17:27:17 you'll need alsa for N900, it's mandatory Apr 25 17:27:37 lol Apr 25 17:28:08 wel, at least I'm not aware of any alternative Apr 25 17:28:50 except maybe I2Cset plus a couple of nasty custom drivers for /dev/dsp Apr 25 17:29:56 shit... usb cable is still in the car... Apr 25 17:30:01 on htcdream and some qualcomm android devices....there is no alsa Apr 25 17:30:07 * mrmoku goes to fetch it and reboots his laptop meanwhile Apr 25 17:30:08 no oss either Apr 25 17:30:17 a DSP thing with custom ioctls etc... Apr 25 17:30:25 eeeew Apr 25 17:30:57 ok, so that's probably why i couldn't hear anything Apr 25 17:30:57 :) Apr 25 17:31:04 yep Apr 25 17:31:07 definitely Apr 25 17:32:05 t900:~# alsamixer -c0 Apr 25 17:32:17 under maemo Apr 25 17:32:29 hi, I get this when upgrading: Apr 25 17:32:29 to see what you're dealing with Apr 25 17:32:29 * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for frameworkd-config: Apr 25 17:32:29 * fso-abyss * Apr 25 17:34:07 t900:~# amixer -c0 scontrols|wc -l Apr 25 17:34:08 66 Apr 25 17:35:13 fun Apr 25 17:35:38 t900:~# amixer -c0 controls|wc -l Apr 25 17:35:40 71 Apr 25 17:36:01 maybe reading the source code would be a shortcut? Apr 25 17:36:15 t900:~# amixer controls Apr 25 17:36:16 numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Switch' Apr 25 17:36:18 numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Master Playback Volume' Apr 25 17:36:19 numid=2,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Switch' Apr 25 17:36:21 numid=1,iface=MIXER,name='Capture Volume' Apr 25 17:36:22 :-P Apr 25 17:37:13 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07utilities * rd7db2b37e163 10/nokian900/cmtspeechtest/ (5 files in 2 dirs): nokia900/cmtspeechtest: hook to fsogsmd Apr 25 17:37:59 GNUtoo|laptop: mrmoku can someone of you build me a kernel w/ alsa and devtmpfs? Apr 25 17:38:04 mickeyl: look at alsaped in maemo. Much similar to your scenario manager Apr 25 17:38:30 ped=policy enforcer daemon Apr 25 17:38:34 do we have the source for that? Apr 25 17:38:42 (no maemo booting possible atm.) Apr 25 17:38:43 nope, not afaik Apr 25 17:38:46 heh, k Apr 25 17:38:56 but not sure about it Apr 25 17:39:02 and in meego? Apr 25 17:39:06 gitorious... Apr 25 17:39:35 I mean we should have the source of what meego use Apr 25 17:39:40 it's basicaly a brainfuck based on PA Apr 25 17:39:52 ah, maemo doesn't use pulse? Apr 25 17:39:59 I tought it was the same for maemo Apr 25 17:40:51 it does, regrettably Apr 25 17:41:33 with qite a number of closed polypaudio bits Apr 25 17:41:47 errr s/polyp/puke Apr 25 17:41:51 errr s/polyp/pulse Apr 25 17:42:11 ~seen morphis Apr 25 17:42:25 ibot sick Apr 25 17:42:31 hmm, k Apr 25 17:46:53 mrmoku, could you build the kernel for mickeyl? Apr 25 17:54:17 or merge the latest back into OE and I'll build my own one Apr 25 17:54:33 the latest seems to be the one we're chosing for developing anyways, right? Apr 25 17:55:14 mickeyl: I think Jama merged it already Apr 25 17:55:27 not 100% sure though Apr 25 17:56:12 hmm, let me check what's in OE Apr 25 17:56:25 no, does not look correct Apr 25 17:57:16 root@nokia900 ~ # gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep DEVTMPFS Apr 25 17:57:16 CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y Apr 25 17:57:30 and alsamixer works fine too Apr 25 17:57:36 interesting, not here Apr 25 17:57:48 could you put that kernel up somewhere? is it modular or built-in? Apr 25 17:57:52 bbiab, dinner Apr 25 17:58:28 GNUtoo|laptop: cfa6f3f7531fec320861d508052031f9ade37fa0 does that look correct Apr 25 17:58:34 mickeyl: yeah, will do that meanwhile Apr 25 17:58:37 have a nice dinner Apr 25 18:05:20 hi JaMa Apr 25 18:07:04 hi Apr 25 18:07:37 indedd Apr 25 18:07:40 JaMa: you merged some stuff from our n900 OE development git, right? Apr 25 18:08:02 GNUtoo|laptop: looks like the one I'm using right now is a different one though Apr 25 18:08:03 ChristW: please try again that frameworkd-config, should work now Apr 25 18:08:12 1c8a111c2041e8d240fcfb04d298a236af251d5d Apr 25 18:08:15 mrmoku: yes and then rebased the rest (in V3 branch) Apr 25 18:08:35 hmmm will look later Apr 25 18:12:39 JaMa: the kernel too? Apr 25 18:16:08 mrmoku: no, kernel only to shr-core Apr 25 18:16:16 ok Apr 25 18:23:51 mickeyl: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/n900/uImage-2.6.37+gitr0+1c8a111c2041e8d240fcfb04d298a236af251d5d-r59-nokia900.bin Apr 25 18:23:59 and http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/n900/modules-2.6.37+gitr0+1c8a111c2041e8d240fcfb04d298a236af251d5d-r59-nokia900.tgz Apr 25 18:30:00 JaMa, frameworkd-config upgrades fine now, thanks :) Apr 25 18:32:02 JaMa: Same here. Apr 25 18:32:06 Thanks! Apr 25 18:46:12 mrmoku: thanks, downloading... Apr 25 18:47:34 mickeyl: yw Apr 25 18:47:45 mickeyl: libcmtspeechdata does not have the tests packaged Apr 25 18:47:51 mrmoku: given that i had no alsa, perhaps you might already have luck w/ fsogsmd and cmtspeechtest Apr 25 18:48:06 ok, will try that then Apr 25 18:48:11 so if you're adventurous, it's worth a try Apr 25 18:48:22 use the version in OE, not autorev, first Apr 25 18:48:37 that version enables the in-call state after 3 seconds Apr 25 18:48:43 (not hooked to fsogsmd) Apr 25 18:49:00 first, establish a call, then run cmtspeechtest Apr 25 18:49:16 ok Apr 25 18:49:40 master already hooks to fsogsmd, but isn't tested yet Apr 25 18:52:32 I could do you a favour and dump amixer controls during a call Apr 25 18:52:39 good idea, yeah Apr 25 18:52:45 np Apr 25 18:55:04 * mrmoku waiting for tcl-native to finish building ... Apr 25 19:00:14 mickeyl: CMTSPEECH: ASSERT FAILED: cmtspeech_nokiamodem.c:1668 'priv->ulbufdesc[buf->index].bd.data == buf->data' Apr 25 19:00:17 CMTSPEECH: ASSERT FAILED: cmtspeech_nokiamodem.c:1669 'priv->ulbufdesc[buf->index].bd.payload == buf->payload' Apr 25 19:00:20 Segmentation fault Apr 25 19:00:36 yes, that's known Apr 25 19:00:38 run it again Apr 25 19:00:43 ahh, ok :) Apr 25 19:00:46 http://paste.debian.net/115051/ Apr 25 19:00:57 those are THREE outputs! Apr 25 19:01:06 first during normal call Apr 25 19:01:17 mickeyl: hmm... netlink wen't down :/ Apr 25 19:01:33 when trying to recall Apr 25 19:02:34 * mrmoku retries Apr 25 19:04:17 mickeyl: hmm... no audio neither for me Apr 25 19:04:39 ok, can have multiple reasons, therefore i recommend setting Doc's alsa settings, then checking with ofono Apr 25 19:04:46 * mrmoku will try with docs alsa state Apr 25 19:04:55 hmm Apr 25 19:04:58 ~lart libmeegotouch Apr 25 19:05:10 darn, against which qt versions does that compile? *sigh* Apr 25 19:08:11 DocScrutinizer: how do I feed that to amixer? Apr 25 19:08:25 hehe, just reading manpage Apr 25 19:09:12 cset? Apr 25 19:09:35 no Apr 25 19:10:28 cat | amixer -c0 -s Apr 25 19:10:31 I guess yes, look how it's been done in *former* scenarios - and in that useless init.d/aconf or whatever it's called Apr 25 19:10:35 at least does not complain Apr 25 19:12:32 hmm... alsamixer tells me it did not work though Apr 25 19:13:54 meh, should use alsactl Apr 25 19:14:09 mompls Apr 25 19:14:14 root@nokia900 ~ # alsactl restore -f 115051 Apr 25 19:14:14 ALSA lib conf.c:995:(parse_value) Playback is not an integer Apr 25 19:14:14 ALSA lib conf.c:1685:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:4:21:Invalid argument Apr 25 19:14:17 alsactl: load_state:1579: snd_config_load error: Invalid argument Apr 25 19:14:52 the format of amixer output isn't compatible for alsactl I guess Apr 25 19:15:12 I'll redo the shit with alsactl, for your convenience Apr 25 19:15:34 ok, thanks Apr 25 19:20:24 sorry Apr 25 19:20:28 IroN900:~# alsactl -f phonecall-N900.state store 0 Apr 25 19:20:29 IroN900:~# alsactl -f spkrcall-N900.state store 0 Apr 25 19:20:31 IroN900:~# alsactl -f stop-N900.state store 0 Apr 25 19:20:33 IroN900:~# pastebinit phonecall-N900.state Apr 25 19:20:34 http://pastebin.com/fUiQhcde Apr 25 19:20:35 IroN900:~# pastebinit spkrcall-N900.state Apr 25 19:20:37 http://pastebin.com/vSDwmAiA Apr 25 19:20:38 IroN900:~# pastebinit stop-N900.state Apr 25 19:20:40 http://pastebin.com/3japAB94 Apr 25 19:21:22 thanks very much Apr 25 19:22:19 heh Apr 25 19:22:19 alsactl: parse:1655: Unable to open file '/usr/share/alsa/init/00main': No such file or directory Apr 25 19:22:29 guess our alsa configuration is lacking :;P Apr 25 19:24:56 * mrmoku does not have /usr/share/alsa/init at all on his n900 Apr 25 19:26:34 ~botsback Apr 25 19:26:38 ~botsnack Apr 25 19:26:38 thanks, DocScrutinizer Apr 25 19:27:10 hmm Apr 25 19:27:17 that's easy I guess Apr 25 19:29:42 DocScrutinizer: if it's generic I can just copy the stuff from my laptop? Apr 25 19:30:00 nah, it's maemo/N900 Apr 25 19:34:14 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/root-usr-share-alsa.tar.gz Apr 25 19:34:26 thanks again :) Apr 25 19:34:30 yw Apr 25 19:36:49 does not suffice though :/ Apr 25 19:36:56 Unknown hardware: "" "" "" "" "" Apr 25 19:37:06 and then the same errors Apr 25 19:37:15 /usr/share/alsa/init/default:53: control element not found Apr 25 19:37:18 alsactl: set_control:1267: failed to obtain info for control #3 (No such file or directory) Apr 25 19:37:27 well, that's modprobe then I guess Apr 25 19:37:48 Error building libphone-ui locally: http://pastebin.com/5MCgBKqf Apr 25 19:38:16 root@nokia900 ~ # ls /proc/asound/ Apr 25 19:38:16 RX51 card0 cards devices oss pcm timers version Apr 25 19:38:33 DocScrutinizer: no module loaded... guess it's fixed in the kernel Apr 25 19:38:48 o.O Apr 25 19:38:55 ok back Apr 25 19:39:42 hey no oss here ;-D Apr 25 19:39:49 :P Apr 25 19:40:04 IroN900:~# ls -F /proc/asound/ Apr 25 19:40:06 card0/ cards devices pcm RX51@ timers version Apr 25 19:40:47 IroN900:~# cat /proc/asound/devices Apr 25 19:40:49 0: [ 0] : control Apr 25 19:40:50 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback Apr 25 19:40:52 17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback Apr 25 19:40:53 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture Apr 25 19:40:55 25: [ 0- 1]: digital audio capture Apr 25 19:40:56 33: : timer Apr 25 19:41:08 IroN900:~# cat /proc/asound/cards Apr 25 19:41:09 ohh Apr 25 19:41:09 0 [RX51 ]: tlv320aic3x - RX51 Apr 25 19:41:11 RX51 (tlv320aic3x) Apr 25 19:41:35 I have only one audio playback and capture Apr 25 19:41:51 root@nokia900 ~ # cat /proc/asound/cards Apr 25 19:41:51 0 [RX51 ]: - RX-51 Apr 25 19:41:51 RX-51 Apr 25 19:42:31 yeah, I guess that's friggin PA Apr 25 19:42:53 ahh, ok Apr 25 19:43:01 though the tlv320aic3x looks rather significant Apr 25 19:43:28 GNUtoo|laptop: any idea about tlv320aic3x in our kernel? Apr 25 19:43:29 as that's the real mixer chip Apr 25 19:43:50 ??? Apr 25 19:43:53 it's the CODEC Apr 25 19:43:57 what's the issue? Apr 25 19:44:19 GNUtoo|laptop: DocScrutinizer's state files from maemo for the on call situation do not load under shr Apr 25 19:44:48 normal Apr 25 19:44:54 the mixer stuff changed Apr 25 19:45:05 between 2.6.28 and 35/37 Apr 25 19:45:23 mrmoku: what's your result of amixer -c0 controls |wc -l Apr 25 19:45:50 DocScrutinizer: I beat you by far ;) Apr 25 19:45:53 root@nokia900 ~ # amixer -c0 controls |wc -l Apr 25 19:45:53 111 Apr 25 19:45:57 o.O Apr 25 19:46:51 hooray for incompatible kernel API changes, wherever they appear Apr 25 19:47:18 GNUtoo|laptop: yeah... just taking the state won't work Apr 25 19:47:26 basically the mainline state that they never changes userland interfaces Apr 25 19:47:35 but the nokia kernels are not mainline kernels Apr 25 19:47:57 so between the old 2.6.28 and mainline/35/37 API does change Apr 25 19:48:26 example: phonet,alsa,camera etc... Apr 25 19:48:48 s/phonet/hsi/ Apr 25 19:48:48 GNUtoo|laptop meant: example: hsi,alsa,camera etc... Apr 25 19:48:54 they offered a sed script for migrating the .state files? ;-P Apr 25 19:50:09 maybe awk even Apr 25 19:53:08 mrmoku, http://pastie.org/1832588 Apr 25 19:54:44 here's the segfault ^^^ Apr 25 19:57:11 big advise: try not to be blind, if you're blind for some reason(not using gdb, trying to fix the registration in the dark) it only lead to frustration and you would maybe never fix it at all Apr 25 20:03:29 http://pastebin.ca/2050598 Apr 25 20:03:32 hi captainigloo Apr 25 20:04:02 mrmoku, 1113 g_hash_table_insert (status, _tmp10_, _variant_new4 (_tmp8_)); doesn't segfault Apr 25 20:04:16 1115 g_hash_table_insert (status, _tmp11_, _variant_new5 ((*istatus).name)); does Apr 25 20:05:08 captainigloo, I'm sorry for not spelling correctly your nickname btw (scap.linuxtogo) Apr 25 20:05:41 now to fix that you must do a lot of great stuff with efl, so people take screenshots of it and that bad screenshot disapear? Apr 25 20:06:22 GNUtoo|laptop: ? Apr 25 20:06:34 scap.linuxtogo.? Apr 25 20:06:50 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Apr 25 20:06:58 when you run gpe-scap Apr 25 20:07:06 the screenshot finish there Apr 25 20:07:24 ah :) Apr 25 20:08:18 GNUtoo|laptop: mine http://imagebin.org/149655 Apr 25 20:08:36 ok Apr 25 20:08:43 opkg install gpe-scap Apr 25 20:09:08 yep next time i will do that Apr 25 20:09:20 ok Apr 25 20:09:29 since everyone look at scap.linuxtogo it's better Apr 25 20:12:45 mrmoku, are you there Apr 25 20:12:46 ? Apr 25 20:13:07 captainigloo, what are your plans? Apr 25 20:13:27 specially with this QT thing that some people were talking about Apr 25 20:13:41 I like efl's speed Apr 25 20:14:12 and it has efl bindings too Apr 25 20:14:18 *there are Apr 25 20:14:22 *there is Apr 25 20:17:06 GNUtoo|laptop: take over the world Pinky Apr 25 20:17:17 lol Apr 25 20:17:23 and spread EFL all over :) Apr 25 20:18:04 because I hope to learn something usefull at this ordissimo/efl day Apr 25 20:18:23 altough it's approaching and they didn't send me the palm yet Apr 25 20:18:36 GNUtoo|laptop: i'm writting a presentation about edje right now Apr 25 20:18:40 ok Apr 25 20:18:48 in edje? Apr 25 20:18:49 <[Rui]> hi all Apr 25 20:18:58 hi [Rui] Apr 25 20:19:04 (or in the efl presentation stuff) Apr 25 20:19:07 <[Rui]> long time no see. having a kid really takes a huge toll Apr 25 20:19:15 GNUtoo|laptop: yes i'm using eyelight the elfe presnetation tool Apr 25 20:19:20 hi [Rui] Apr 25 20:19:22 <[Rui]> it's the first time I picked my laptop up after work in about a week Apr 25 20:19:25 ok Apr 25 20:19:40 GNUtoo|laptop: but i'm not sure i will use it at the end Apr 25 20:19:49 ah ok Apr 25 20:20:02 i thing that a pdf is better for people wich don't have edje alredy install on the machine .... Apr 25 20:20:44 the neatest thing is to do a presentation on your phone, using some sort of tv-out like on the n900 and use remoko to control the presentation.... Apr 25 20:20:49 ah right Apr 25 20:20:58 since pdf can be shared Apr 25 20:21:00 captainigloo, if you are interested about getting a gta02 for development purpouses (try Elfe for instance) there's someone in the ml who said he would give one :) Apr 25 20:21:08 yes indeed Apr 25 20:21:12 I just read that Apr 25 20:21:29 <[Rui]> I have one Freerunner for giving with 2 conditions Apr 25 20:21:33 <[Rui]> (not mine) Apr 25 20:21:38 pespin: hum thanks for the info, but i have to much to do with my desire Apr 25 20:21:41 [Rui], hi there, I've been looking for you during the last days hehe Apr 25 20:21:54 you can also get an htcdream from me if you want, for instance in case the palm pre doesn't arrive or while waiting for the palm pre Apr 25 20:22:07 <[Rui]> 1) do development on/with, 2) if you don't do development on/with it, please pass along and pay transport costs :) Apr 25 20:22:20 <[Rui]> pespin: oh, I haven't even read email :( Apr 25 20:22:26 [Rui], ah, were you the one who wrote the mail? Apr 25 20:22:33 <[Rui]> no Apr 25 20:22:46 [Rui], nah I didn't send a mail to you, just waiting to speak with you over here. Apr 25 20:22:50 <[Rui]> heh Apr 25 20:22:54 I don't think [Rui] would switch to cyanogenmod.... Apr 25 20:22:56 But no rush, get on with all your mails first hehe Apr 25 20:23:05 <[Rui]> wife and kid are sleeping... Apr 25 20:23:09 (the person in the mail switched to cyanogenmod) Apr 25 20:23:46 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: I actually have a Samsung Galaxy S from work. It sucks (freedom-wise), but it's a very nice pocket computer that can make calls. Apr 25 20:24:12 I bet you're too busy for hacking on it Apr 25 20:24:24 and I bet you have no infos on running SHR on it Apr 25 20:24:27 <[Rui]> at least two of my favorite applications are Free Software: mustard and fbreader Apr 25 20:24:31 I think modem will be a problem Apr 25 20:24:45 [Rui], at least run cm and FDroid on it Apr 25 20:24:48 cm = cyanogen Apr 25 20:24:56 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: from what I see, I don't think we'd be able to get anything working there Apr 25 20:25:11 indeed modem protocol must be reverse engineered Apr 25 20:25:13 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: both cm and darky's rom for sgs need proprietary software for flashing :| Apr 25 20:25:20 ah ouch Apr 25 20:25:39 same for nexus S ? Apr 25 20:25:40 GNUtoo|laptop: back Apr 25 20:25:47 they were interesting because they had alsa Apr 25 20:25:54 <[Rui]> I'm trying to convince myself it's a lesser evil than having a Samsung + Vodaphone fully controlled rom Apr 25 20:26:00 harald welte made a review of the galaxy S Apr 25 20:26:06 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: he did? Apr 25 20:26:18 yes let me find it Apr 25 20:26:21 <[Rui]> sgs is very sweet if one can explout it's capabilities. Apr 25 20:26:28 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: if it's on his blog I can find it Apr 25 20:26:43 http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/08/21/#20100821-playing_with_galaxy_s Apr 25 20:26:53 <[Rui]> android is *such* a #fail from software freedom PoV. Apr 25 20:27:05 and some other posts Apr 25 20:27:13 not so sure Apr 25 20:27:15 look at replicant Apr 25 20:27:25 we have working htcdream and nexusone Apr 25 20:27:34 if you're not in USA it works really well Apr 25 20:27:57 <[Rui]> he :) Apr 25 20:28:48 <[Rui]> I have to try to talk with laforge then. Apr 25 20:29:03 basically on nexusone(which lacks a hardware keyboard) I've got nearly everything working but 3d and camera Apr 25 20:29:21 it requires some firmwares Apr 25 20:29:30 that can be a problem Apr 25 20:29:40 but it's a lot better than the stock version of android Apr 25 20:29:44 freedom wise Apr 25 20:30:21 I've got 3g,accelerometers,audio,wifi,bluetooth,graphics(2d acceleration) etc... working Apr 25 20:30:46 under replicant for the nexusone Apr 25 20:30:57 <[Rui]> cool Apr 25 20:31:32 the key thing in harald welte's post is that: Apr 25 20:31:37 The Android RIL shipped by Samsung contains lots of debugging/decoding/dumping code that can make reverse engineering the AP/BP protocol. Apr 25 20:32:02 basically it would be the same problem than the palm pre Apr 25 20:32:54 I think this phone has alsa and mostly standard drivers for the rest Apr 25 20:33:02 just remove rfs and it should be ok Apr 25 20:33:25