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May 09 04:25:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * racd1d4c15e09 10/aurora/components/Aurora/Components/ (CellularNetworkStatusIndicator.qml StatusBar.qml qmldir): 
May 09 04:25:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: aurora: some small fixes to the CellularNetworkStatusIndicator
May 09 04:25:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: * use verticalCenter rather than text alignment
May 09 04:25:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: * use version number in qmldir file
May 09 04:25:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: * set height of the indicator from the place where it is used
May 09 04:25:49 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: * use image provider to retrieve images from theme
May 09 05:37:39 <mrmoku> moin
May 09 05:41:31 <mrmoku> playya__: btw. if you think about getting a n900 to have GPS without eoaming costs... dunno if that works out
May 09 05:42:05 <mrmoku> at least GPS is very bad without support from the modem
May 09 05:57:38 <playya__> mrmoku, either n900, palm pre or freerunner
May 09 05:58:35 <playya__> the B&M e-werk should support both
May 09 05:58:41 <playya__> ehh. all three
May 09 06:06:40 <mrmoku> B&M e-werk?
May 09 06:07:07 <mrmoku> ahh
May 09 06:07:17 <mrmoku> google sometimes is very helpfull :P
May 09 06:07:50 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: what are your thoughts on n900 and GPS in roaming land?
May 09 06:29:08 <JaMa> moin
May 09 06:30:45 <pespin> gmorning :)
May 09 06:56:53 <CIA-10> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rc4711333cd46 10/ (92 files in 19 dirs): system upgrade
May 09 08:23:23 <mickey|office> mornign
May 09 08:23:29 <mrmoku> morning mickey|office 
May 09 09:14:18 <DocScrutinizer> moo mrmoku 
May 09 09:14:29 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: yo
May 09 09:15:05 <DocScrutinizer> it seems any old SIM will do, fo rGPS
May 09 09:15:22 <mrmoku> so it just needs a SIM and no connection?
May 09 09:15:36 <ChristW> Hya!
May 09 09:15:39 <DocScrutinizer> not sure but I think it gets a GSM supl
May 09 09:15:50 <mrmoku> ok
May 09 09:15:59 <ChristW> What do I need to install/force-reinstall to get libgdbus-codegen.so.0 ?
May 09 09:16:00 <DocScrutinizer> prolly hidden property of GSM
May 09 09:16:04 <mrmoku> I have an old deactivated SIM lying around
May 09 09:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> try it
May 09 09:16:13 <mrmoku> will try with that one and the location test app
May 09 09:16:49 <JaMa> HeinervdmWork: glib
May 09 09:16:51 <JaMa> sorry
May 09 09:16:53 <JaMa> ChristW: glib
May 09 09:17:15 <JaMa> ChristW: read http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1443
May 09 09:18:20 <DocScrutinizer> anyway if you got proper pickle it is as good as AGPS
May 09 09:19:04 <mrmoku> ok, good to know it should work fine without SIM too
May 09 09:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> get clear sky view for FF
May 09 09:19:35 <mrmoku> I tried the other day and it was damn slow finding satelites... which may be better with pickle
May 09 09:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> takes its time but works usually now, afaik
May 09 09:20:01 <mrmoku> good
May 09 09:20:07 <mrmoku> playya__: never mind then and get one :)
May 09 09:20:23 <DocScrutinizer> then second fix this day is as fast as with SIM
May 09 09:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
May 09 09:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> you need maemo pr1.1 update at least
May 09 09:21:40 <DocScrutinizer> (fixes cmt fw)
May 09 09:22:41 <DocScrutinizer> or was it 1.2?
May 09 09:24:17 <ChristW> JaMa: opkg remove gdbus-binding-tool removed nothing. I'm trying to force-install some other pkgs now, to see if that will help.
May 09 09:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, makes sure you have newest cellmo firmware
May 09 09:24:48 <DocScrutinizer> as lots of GPS are handled in modem
May 09 09:25:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, you're doing GPS for n900?
May 09 09:25:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> if so wow
May 09 09:26:08 <DocScrutinizer> don't think so
May 09 09:26:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 09 09:26:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> so what's going on?
May 09 09:26:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> simple GPS usage using maemo?
May 09 09:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-09 07:39:43] <mrmoku> playya__: btw. if you think about getting a n900 to have GPS without eoaming costs... dunno if that works out
May 09 09:27:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 09 09:28:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> else the htc dream has GPS but I wouldn't advise on buying it
May 09 09:28:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> better using om-gta02 then
May 09 09:28:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> I use navit as GPS program btw
May 09 09:28:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> (on replicant and SHR)
May 09 09:28:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> (and angstrom)
May 09 09:29:00 <JaMa> ChristW: because there were packages still depending on it?
May 09 09:30:56 * DocScrutinizer is pondering why it's a reason to cheer and be happy when the earth can be seen passing thru the sun from same other planet 63,65 lightyears away as it had been 51 years ago
May 09 09:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> strange habit
May 09 09:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430   ☕ 
May 09 09:34:59 <mickey|office> ~seen morphis
May 09 09:35:02 <apt> morphis <~morphis@dslb-088-070-129-150.pools.arcor-ip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 19h 28m 27s ago, saying: 'cya'.
May 09 09:38:46 <DocScrutinizer> moin mickey|office 
May 09 09:38:57 <mickey|office> morsche
May 09 09:44:12 <captainigloo> hi guys 
May 09 09:44:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi
May 09 09:48:04 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: GPS is on the list after normal phone works :)
May 09 09:49:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 09:55:08 <mickey|office> hmm, a new openmoko product
May 09 09:55:27 <mickey|office> http://frm.fm/
May 09 09:55:59 <mickey|office> no linux though
May 09 09:57:01 <mrmoku> mobile picture frame? :P
May 09 09:58:58 <mrmoku> well... if 40" can be called mobile...
May 09 10:02:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> windows 7 as operating system???
May 09 10:03:14 <ChristW> JaMa: gdbus-binding-tool is not installed at the moment... fortunately.
May 09 10:03:40 <ChristW> But I broke something else... /usr/ib/phoneui/modules/shr.so not found
May 09 10:08:09 <mrmoku> ChristW: lib-phoneui-shr not installed?
May 09 10:08:35 <ChristW> It may have been accidentally removed...
May 09 10:18:14 <ChristW> mrmoku: Unknown package lib-phoneui-shr
May 09 10:19:39 <lindi-> mickey|office: what's the open part?
May 09 10:20:01 <mrmoku> ChristW: err libphone-ui-shr
May 09 10:20:54 <mickey|office> <mickey|office> windows 7 ... there goes the open source company :D
May 09 10:20:54 <mickey|office> lindi:
May 09 10:21:17 <mickey|office> i guess that's why they refer to themselves as Om, Inc. these days
May 09 10:22:07 <ChristW> mrmoku: libphone-ui-shr depends on gdbus-binding-tool. JaMa just told me to get rid of it.
May 09 10:22:46 <mrmoku> ChristW: that is wrong then... OE tree not up-to-date
May 09 10:23:00 <mrmoku> gdbus-binding-tool is included in glib used by shr-u now
May 09 10:23:00 <ChristW> That's bad, then...
May 09 10:23:11 <FelixJongleur> ist
May 09 10:23:12 <ChristW> That's that the ticket said...
May 09 10:23:15 <FelixJongleur> blist
May 09 10:23:58 <JaMa> ChristW: in shr-u feeds?
May 09 10:24:10 <JaMa> ChristW: or your feeds?
May 09 10:24:22 <ChristW> JaMa: Yes, I ran opkg update just now. I don't have a local feed...
May 09 10:26:02 <JaMa> ok, I'll rebuild that in a minute
May 09 10:28:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1970.01.01 01:30:52.404602 [libphone-ui]        : Loading /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so failed: libgdbus-codegen.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
May 09 10:28:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> is that the thing you were discussing about ^^^
May 09 10:28:30 <JaMa> yes
May 09 10:28:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 10:28:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> no quick fix?
May 09 10:28:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> I must work on the audio
May 09 10:28:54 <JaMa> is it from your feed?
May 09 10:28:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
May 09 10:29:15 <JaMa> then you had to read and follow that bug http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1443
May 09 10:29:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok thanks a lot
May 09 10:29:50 <JaMa> yw
May 09 10:31:49 <JaMa> ChristW: opkg install -force-reinstall libphone-ui-shr
May 09 10:33:19 <ChristW>  JaMa: Downloading ... dependency error.
May 09 10:33:23 * ChristW wonders...
May 09 10:33:59 <ChristW> Wait, let me do an 'update' before that?
May 09 10:34:42 <JaMa> hmm I just checked and it was rebuilt during weekend, but now I bumped PR to upgrade it on target automaticaly (but buildhost is busy with other stuff)
May 09 10:35:07 <JaMa> so it will take a while
May 09 10:35:07 <ChristW> Ok, so I need to wait a bit..
May 09 10:35:32 <ChristW> Ah well, I still got this thing called 'work' to do in between Openmoko updates ;-)
May 09 10:35:46 * JaMa too
May 09 10:36:04 * mrmoku too
May 09 10:36:42 <JaMa> maybe it's good that buildhost is so slow, more time to work :)
May 09 10:37:16 <JaMa> but I have to get rid of that habit of checking the build every 2 minutes :)
May 09 10:37:26 <mrmoku> hehe
May 09 10:53:29 <JaMa> mrmoku: hmm libphone-ui-shr is linked agains lua?
May 09 10:54:59 <mrmoku> lua? hell no. at least not directly
May 09 10:55:23 <mickey|office> probably through E
May 09 10:55:29 <mrmoku> yeah
May 09 10:56:01 <mrmoku> one can do lua in combination with edje iirc
May 09 10:56:21 <mickey|office> yep. it's supposed to replace embroy at some point of time
May 09 10:56:22 <JaMa> ah ;/, after building lua it finished ok
May 09 10:57:19 <JaMa> ChristW: opkg update && opkg upgrade should do it now
May 09 10:57:55 * mrmoku lunch
May 09 10:58:02 * JaMa coffee
May 09 11:12:17 <pespin> http://www.geek.com/articles/games/game-developer-david-braben-creates-a-usb-stick-pc-for-25-2011055/
May 09 11:19:00 <JaMa> pespin: nice :)
May 09 11:41:02 * ChristW Back from lunch
May 09 11:41:07 <ChristW> Doing the opkg now...
May 09 11:43:36 <ChristW> Ok, it installed! I'll take a quick reboot, to see if I get the PIN dialog back.
May 09 11:47:05 <ChristW> Registered to TMO NL!
May 09 11:57:28 <JaMa> ChristW: thanks for report and test
May 09 11:57:35 <ChristW> JaMa: YW.
May 09 11:57:48 <ChristW> Hey, I need this as a daily phone, right!
May 09 11:58:02 <ChristW> So if it breaks, my wife gets mad.
May 09 11:58:32 <ChristW> "Stupid phone, get yourself one that _works_". "Honey, it's only the software, the hardware works just fine..."
May 09 11:59:13 <ChristW> Same as what I heard last week: "I always get the final word in at home. Yes dear, you're right dear..."
May 09 12:06:26 <lindi-> ChristW: which hardware are you using?
May 09 12:06:39 <ChristW> My Freerunner.
May 09 12:06:59 <lindi-> ChristW: how does she notice that there's a problem?
May 09 12:07:17 <ChristW> That I am unable to be reached sometimes.
May 09 12:07:29 <lindi-> ChristW: aha, #1024?
May 09 12:07:42 <lindi-> ChristW: or some crash?
May 09 12:07:43 <ChristW> Or I start swearing ;-) No, luckily #1024 is fixed for me.
May 09 12:28:36 <mickey|office> #512 perhaps?
May 09 12:28:44 <mickey|office> err, without the hash
May 09 13:35:30 <ChristW> Cya!
May 09 15:36:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|zzZZzz, hi
May 09 16:04:36 <playya__> are there any docs about n900 GPS?
May 09 16:05:14 <PaulFertser> playya__: some messages are already decoded by the wireshark plugin
May 09 16:05:27 <playya__> ah. cool
May 09 16:05:47 <PaulFertser> playya__: and there's some official documentation in ISA headers from some Qtopia sdk or something (but it's not called GPS, rather some cryptic name).
May 09 16:06:21 <mrmoku> playya__: if you start to hack on GPS I will add the rest in wireshark
May 09 16:07:06 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: pn_location_isi.h
May 09 16:08:21 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: yo \o/
May 09 16:10:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> bbl
May 09 17:39:28 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: I wonder if this command could be used to enlargen ones homezone :P #define SIM_VIAG_HOME_ZONE_REQ_SIM_ST_READ_UHZIUE_SETTINGS    0x62                                                  
May 09 17:39:48 <mrmoku> err #define SIM_VIAG_HOME_ZONE_REQ_SIM_ST_WRITE_UHZIUE_SETTINGS    0x62                                                  
May 09 17:39:51 <mrmoku> write of course :)
May 09 17:41:59 <angelox_123> Where should i get a idea about the Aurora GUI to start try make something ?
May 09 17:42:59 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: afaik VIAG/O2 uses a network borne calculation/detecting of homezone, while the SIM only is responsible for showing the hz icon without getting feedback from network
May 09 17:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: scan datenschleuder
May 09 17:45:08 <mrmoku> ok :)
May 09 17:45:17 * mrmoku does not have a homezone anyway
May 09 17:45:41 <mrmoku> just stumbled over that command while working on isi sim
May 09 17:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://ds.ccc.de/download.html
May 09 17:51:13 <mickey|zzZZzz> DocScrutinizer is correct. the  SIM homezone stuff is just for displaying
May 09 17:53:50 <mrmoku> mickey|zzZZzz: this freaking SIM subsystem is complicated :/
May 09 17:54:57 <mickey|zzZZzz> is it?
May 09 17:55:09 <mickey|zzZZzz> angelox_123: just download aurora.git, cd aurora, make install && aurora :)
May 09 17:55:13 <mickey|zzZZzz> that's how far we are ;)
May 09 17:55:26 <mickey|zzZZzz> mrmoku: what are you currently fighting with?
May 09 17:55:37 <mrmoku> mickeyl: SIM
May 09 17:55:46 <mrmoku> right now with the sim part in the wireshark plugin
May 09 17:55:50 <angelox_123> thanks mickeyl,i didn't know that aurora was already so far :)
May 09 17:56:26 <mickeyl> angelox_123: oh well, don't be disappointed, there's just a window that opens
May 09 17:56:32 <mickeyl> shows the start of a status panel
May 09 17:56:38 <mickeyl> and two hubs that will eventually lead to open apps
May 09 17:56:41 <mrmoku> mickeyl: I asked gnutoo what he considers the next most important isi topic (apart from speech which he is working on)
May 09 17:56:45 <mrmoku> and he said messages
May 09 17:56:51 <mrmoku> so I'm doing sim now
May 09 17:57:09 <mickeyl> why sim if you want sms?
May 09 17:57:10 <mrmoku> already implemented GetAuthCodeRequired and ChangeAuthCode
May 09 17:57:19 <mickeyl> ah, cool
May 09 17:57:31 <mrmoku> need to read the messages via sim, no?
May 09 17:57:36 <mickeyl> i would not bother with reading messages from sim
May 09 17:57:40 <mickeyl> that's not so important IMO
May 09 17:57:49 <angelox_123> ok mickeyl,my first QML-Based GUI was just a 3Changeable wallpapers screen,some time later,i could open facebook,gmail and a lot more :)
May 09 17:57:54 <mickeyl> receiving and sending 'in place' should be the most important things
May 09 17:58:04 <mrmoku> ahh
May 09 17:58:05 <mickeyl> angelox_123: that sounds pretty cool
May 09 17:58:23 <mickeyl> mrmoku: and finding out whether we have the choice of storing on sim or not. if not, even better
May 09 17:58:42 <mrmoku> hmm... then PN_SMS is what I'm after
May 09 17:58:45 <mickeyl> yep
May 09 17:59:15 <mickeyl> importing/exporting messages from/to SIM is nice, but i think there would not be revolting mob if it wasn't implemented
May 09 17:59:45 <mrmoku> heh, just finished copy/pasting about 100 message id defines into the sim wireshark plugin ;)
May 09 18:00:14 <mrmoku> mickeyl: yeah, I probably misunderstood the role of the SIM in there
May 09 18:00:34 <mrmoku> actually probably confused the SIM interface of fso with the real sim :P
May 09 18:01:20 <mickeyl> it's the same with the phonebook
May 09 18:01:31 <mickeyl> it's probably a lot of work
May 09 18:01:35 <mickeyl> but not that important
May 09 18:01:51 <mickeyl> since these days hardly anyone stores anything on the SIM
May 09 18:02:15 <mrmoku> yeah, thanks for stopping me before being too late :-)
May 09 18:02:21 <mickeyl> ;)
May 09 18:02:22 <mrmoku> will dig into PN_SMS then
May 09 18:02:27 <mickeyl> excellent
May 09 18:08:43 <angelox_123> mickeyl: Do you have time to a stupid problem-that-i-dont-know-how-to-fix ?
May 09 18:09:16 <mickeyl> i need to call someone soon, but just post your problem here and either me or someone else will take a shot
May 09 18:09:29 <angelox_123> ok thanks: http://pastebin.com/ZTQEucFD
May 09 18:09:40 <angelox_123> just got this trying what you said 
May 09 18:12:39 <mickeyl> did you make install?
May 09 18:12:57 <angelox_123> yes
May 09 18:13:10 <angelox_123> i'm running ./aurora from /usr/local/bin
May 09 18:13:14 <mickeyl> ah, ok
May 09 18:13:17 <mickeyl> hmm, strange
May 09 18:13:27 <mickeyl> try stracing to see where it actually looks for the components
May 09 18:13:32 <mickeyl> perhaps our install script is flawed
May 09 18:14:05 <angelox_123> hmm,ok
May 09 18:17:23 <angelox_123> what tools(libs,devel libs...) should i install before start with aurora (just to check if something isn't installed here)?
May 09 18:28:59 <angelox_123> this is strange: make install install in /usr/local/lib** but this: http://pastebin.com/VZLq15P9 looks for /usr/lib
May 09 18:29:16 <mickeyl> aah, interesting, yeah
May 09 18:29:21 <mickeyl> that could be it
May 09 18:29:28 <mickeyl> i have pyside installed in /usr/local
May 09 18:29:39 <mickeyl> so i guess that's why the stuff can be found
May 09 18:29:57 <mickeyl> atm. the requirements are qt, python, pyside
May 09 18:30:11 <mickeyl> later on dbus, gdbus
May 09 18:30:16 <mickeyl> and the fso middleware
May 09 18:30:24 <mickeyl> but right now we are not talking to FSO at all
May 09 18:30:49 <angelox_123> hmm
May 09 18:34:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi mickeyl 
May 09 18:35:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm back very soon, I've a little time then I must finish to eat and then I'm back
May 09 18:39:48 <angelox_123> mickeyl: Searching for my /usr,/lib,/lib64,/usr/lib,/usr/lib64 i couldn't find for example aurora.pyc that the strace was searching for...this is fine? :)
May 09 18:45:03 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: ok
May 09 18:45:44 <mickeyl> aurora.pyc is not a problem, that's bytecode compiled by python on-demand
May 09 18:45:55 <mickeyl> i'll crosscheck with morphis when he comes online
May 09 18:46:01 <mickeyl> i'm sure we did a problem with the search path
May 09 18:46:04 <mickeyl> s/did/have/
May 09 18:46:04 <apt> mickeyl meant: i'm sure we have a problem with the search path
May 09 18:46:15 <mickeyl> since different prefixes should be allowed
May 09 18:46:28 <mickeyl> speaking about that... where is morphis if you need him...
May 09 18:46:29 <mickeyl> :D
May 09 18:47:01 <angelox_123> ok thank you very much.
May 09 18:47:08 <angelox_123> :D morphis where are you??? haha
May 09 18:52:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, I finish a mail and I'm there
May 09 18:52:13 <NuttyBunny> mickeyl / morphis : ping?
May 09 18:56:13 <mickeyl> NuttyBunny: pong
May 09 18:58:07 <NuttyBunny> Hi mickeyl, I have a patch for the fso-installer Makefile, to make it run under cygwin (fixing my own reported bug), and to prevent out of space errors when restoring the media partition to the Pres by sending the data over the wire instead of copying the .tar.gz file to the filesystem and then uncompressing it there
May 09 18:58:09 <mrmoku> mickeyl: AtSmsGetSizeForTextMessage is generic too me thinks
May 09 18:59:04 <mickeyl> mrmoku: yep
May 09 18:59:22 <mickeyl> NuttyBunny: excellent, could you please send it to smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org as git patch?
May 09 18:59:39 <mickeyl> NuttyBunny: or if you don't want to, just give us a pastebin and we'll take care of it
May 09 18:59:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> cmthandler.vala:79.7-79.74: error: Access to instance member `Alsa2.PcmDevice.set_params' denied
May 09 18:59:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> but:
May 09 19:00:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> Alsa2.PcmDevice pcm = new Alsa2.PcmDevice;
May 09 19:00:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> fails too
May 09 19:00:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll finish to eat
May 09 19:00:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> back, will finish to eat right after
May 09 19:00:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi morphis 
May 09 19:01:21 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rc89366ac5971 10/aurora/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
May 09 19:01:21 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: aurora: add two example pages which demonstrates the using of the page stack
May 09 19:01:21 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: To try everything just click on the phone hub on the main screen.
May 09 19:01:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r181cae40fce1 10/aurora/ (30 files in 7 dirs): 
May 09 19:01:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: aurora: import some more widgets from meego-ux-components
May 09 19:01:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: There are currently some images for the widgets missing. We need to find some
May 09 19:01:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: alternatives for them as we can't use the images from meego-ux-theme as the license does
May 09 19:01:23 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: not allow it.
May 09 19:01:25 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * re4710f0b644d 10/aurora/aurora/extensions/imageprovider.py: aurora: remove print statements from imageprovider
May 09 19:01:29 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r4b2f7d81a8d6 10/aurora/aurora/main.qml: aurora: remove test stuff from main page as we prepare for starting the first real app
May 09 19:01:30 <morphis> hey GNUtoo|laptop, hey @all
May 09 19:01:31 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rfc96c83bf4f3 10/aurora/components/Aurora/Components/ (BaseHub.qml Theme.qml): aurora: animate clicks on a hub with highlighting the background
May 09 19:01:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't get my pre yet but I've some questions reguarding the modem for a galaxy S port since some people are interested in porting FSO or replicant to the galaxy S
May 09 19:02:09 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: you mean the modem of the galaxy S?
May 09 19:02:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
May 09 19:02:24 <morphis> I bet it's a qualcomm one
May 09 19:02:29 <morphis> mickeyl: ping
May 09 19:02:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's rather on how much effort is needed
May 09 19:02:43 <morphis> mickeyl: you should check out 181cae40fce15338257e6db8b2226972240df7b4 of aurora and run it :)
May 09 19:02:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> because you did it for the palm pre
May 09 19:02:46 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: instances are created by calling the class
May 09 19:02:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, how?
May 09 19:03:00 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: i.e. var pcm = new Alsa2.PcmDevice();
May 09 19:03:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 19:03:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> will try that
May 09 19:03:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw var is a variable of a generic type?
May 09 19:04:41 <mickeyl> yes, and no. var is a great feature in Vala that is a substitute for a concrete type, as long as the right side can be gathered by type inference (i.e. it's _clear_ which type it must be)
May 09 19:04:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> cmthandler.vala:73.12-73.32: error: `Alsa2.PcmDevice' does not have a default constructor
May 09 19:04:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok nice
May 09 19:05:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's how it failed
May 09 19:05:09 <mickeyl> ah
May 09 19:05:13 <GNUtoo|laptop>         var pcm = new Alsa2.PcmDevice();
May 09 19:05:15 <mickeyl> PcmDevice, not Soundcard
May 09 19:05:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it failed like that before
May 09 19:05:22 <mickeyl> i thought you want to use our abstraction
May 09 19:05:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I want to
May 09 19:05:38 <angelox_123> morphis: could you help me when installing Aurora?
May 09 19:05:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm just not very good at vapis
May 09 19:05:50 <mickeyl> ok, two things
May 09 19:06:10 <morphis> angelox_123: for sure
May 09 19:06:19 <mickeyl> some APIs are a bit strange and we can't bind them as straightforward as we would like to
May 09 19:06:26 <angelox_123> morphis: got this: http://pastebin.com/ZTQEucFD 
May 09 19:06:28 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: it depends on which protocol the modem speaks
May 09 19:06:33 <mickeyl> for alsa we have the problem that there is no call that returns the actual object instance
May 09 19:06:39 <mickeyl> so we can't use a normal constructor
May 09 19:06:42 <mickeyl> instead we would do
May 09 19:06:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, an unknown one with debug infos in the ril
May 09 19:06:52 <mickeyl> Alsa2.PcmDevice pcm = null;
May 09 19:06:52 <morphis> angelox_123: in it's current state you have to run "make install"
May 09 19:06:56 <morphis> and then aurora
May 09 19:07:01 <angelox_123> yes i did that
May 09 19:07:01 <mickeyl> Alsa2.PcmDevice.open( out pcm );
May 09 19:07:03 <morphis> "sudo make install && aurora"
May 09 19:07:06 <mickeyl> however
May 09 19:07:19 <morphis> aurora is currently not able to run from it's dev directory
May 09 19:07:19 <angelox_123> i got this when stracing: http://pastebin.com/VZLq15P9
May 09 19:07:21 <mickeyl> if you want to use our abstraction, you can do
May 09 19:07:44 <morphis> anarsoul: run "make install"
May 09 19:07:51 <mickeyl> var pcmdevice = new FsoAudio.PcmDevice();
May 09 19:08:01 <mickeyl> as defined in fsoaudiod/lib/alsa.vala
May 09 19:08:02 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: do you grep'ed through the ril for AT strings?
May 09 19:08:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, I don't have the device but everybody seem to ask me about it
May 09 19:08:22 <angelox_123> morphis: i installed it with make install,i went to /usr/local/lib,did ./aurora and get that
May 09 19:08:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I wanted to know
May 09 19:08:40 <morphis> angelox_123: hm
May 09 19:08:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, I don't think harald welte missed the string command:
May 09 19:08:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/08/21/#20100821-playing_with_galaxy_s
May 09 19:09:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, ahh you completed the lib too....nice
May 09 19:09:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks a lot!!!!
May 09 19:09:55 <morphis> angelox_123: please check your /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/aurora directory
May 09 19:10:05 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: ah that one harald already looked into
May 09 19:10:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
May 09 19:10:36 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: it's not complete, but we can add high level abstractions as necessary
May 09 19:11:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 19:11:44 <angelox_123> morphis: no directory called /usr/local/..../dist-packages/aurora/ only a /usr/local/.../site-packages/aurora/
May 09 19:12:02 <angelox_123> "configparse.py  configparse.pyc  configparse.pyo  config.py  config.pyc  config.pyo  extensions  __init__.py  __init__.pyc  __init__.pyo  patterns"
May 09 19:20:55 <dcordes> hi
May 09 19:21:56 <mickeyl> moin dcordes 
May 09 19:23:04 <angelox_123> morphis: ping
May 09 19:55:41 <morphis> angelox_123: hm, that sounds not good
May 09 19:56:18 <angelox_123> It's a error of me or a installer error?
May 09 19:56:56 <morphis> don't know
May 09 19:59:31 <morphis> angelox_123: let me search a little bit ...
May 09 19:59:37 <angelox_123> ok
May 09 20:00:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, with fsoaudiod I should use mmap?
May 09 20:01:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> or normal writei?
May 09 20:02:34 <morphis> angelox_123: can you please execute "python -c "from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print get_python_lib()"" and send me the result?
May 09 20:02:45 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: for the pcm stuff?
May 09 20:03:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
May 09 20:03:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> found it
May 09 20:03:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> sorry for the noise
May 09 20:03:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> MMAP_INTERLEAVED
May 09 20:03:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> right
May 09 20:03:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> what I suspected
May 09 20:03:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> btw there is a problem
May 09 20:04:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1) run aplay
May 09 20:04:04 <morphis> ?
May 09 20:04:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2) run intone
May 09 20:04:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> works
May 09 20:04:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> both audio are playing
May 09 20:04:15 <angelox_123> sorry morphis,i didn't understand correct,i shoud run: python -c "from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print get_python_lib()"        ?
May 09 20:04:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> but the countrary:
May 09 20:04:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> 1) run intone
May 09 20:04:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2) run aplay
May 09 20:04:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> doesn't work
May 09 20:05:10 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r830ae4cc7ddf 10/aurora/ (4 files in 3 dirs): aurora: yank the handcrafted indicator and create the stub for the first agent instead
May 09 20:05:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
May 09 20:05:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> aplay: main:660: audio open error: Device or resource busy
May 09 20:05:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's what I have when running intone first
May 09 20:06:44 <angelox_123> got this morphis: /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages
May 09 20:07:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok I know why
May 09 20:07:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> it tries to go oss
May 09 20:07:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it does 
May 09 20:07:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> in the second case(when started first)
May 09 20:07:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> we should remove oss right?
May 09 20:11:38 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: yup
May 09 20:26:04 <morphis> angelox_123: hm ok
May 09 20:26:17 <morphis> angelox_123: which linux distribution do you use?
May 09 20:27:23 <angelox_123> fedora 14 x64
May 09 20:27:30 <angelox_123> ops
May 09 20:27:40 <angelox_123> Fedora 14 x86_64
May 09 20:27:58 <morphis> ok
May 09 20:28:14 <morphis> angelox_123: can you do a "cat aurora/Makefile | grep "pythondir =""
May 09 20:29:01 <angelox_123> sure,1 sec please
May 09 20:29:55 <angelox_123> pkgpythondir = ${pythondir}/aurora
May 09 20:29:56 <angelox_123> pythondir = ${prefix}/lib/python2.7/site-packages
May 09 20:32:06 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rfeca04f6f575 10/aurora/ (aurora/config.py.in bin/aurora): aurora: try to search python modules at the right place
May 09 20:33:29 <morphis> angelox_123: can you retry with my last commit?
May 09 20:33:40 <angelox_123> sure...let me try
May 09 20:35:28 <morphis> ok
May 09 20:35:35 <morphis> mickeyl: you tried my last changes?
May 09 20:35:53 <mickeyl> yes, awesome stuff
May 09 20:35:59 <mickeyl> working on the battery indicator atm.
May 09 20:36:10 <mickeyl> js sucks
May 09 20:36:14 <mickeyl> :)
May 09 20:36:15 <morphis> :)
May 09 20:36:25 <mickeyl> how can i divide numbers?
May 09 20:36:31 <mickeyl> a / b is doing strange things
May 09 20:36:31 <morphis> 2 / 1?
May 09 20:36:34 <morphis> hm
May 09 20:37:49 <mickeyl> nevermind, got it
May 09 20:38:04 <morphis> "The divide operator, like the multiply operator, has special behaviors for special values:"
May 09 20:38:15 <angelox_123> morphis: no effect,did "cat aurora/Makefile | grep "pythondir =""" after git pull and i get the same
May 09 20:38:28 <morphis> anarsoul: you installed and executed aurora?
May 09 20:38:30 <angelox_123> i did also: make && make install && /usr/local/bin/aurora
May 09 20:38:38 <morphis> äh damn anarsoul sorry for the ping
May 09 20:38:45 <morphis> hm
May 09 20:38:45 <mickeyl> hmm
May 09 20:38:55 <mickeyl> ERROR: can't found image with path '/usr/local/share/aurora/theme/icons/status/battery-4.333333333333334.png'
May 09 20:38:57 <mickeyl> *sigh*
May 09 20:39:07 <mickeyl> wtf
May 09 20:39:32 <angelox_123> morphis: i'm not anarsoul :D
May 09 20:39:33 <mickeyl> ah
May 09 20:39:53 <morphis> angelox_123: I know, but my autotype-feature though you are :)
May 09 20:39:59 <anarsoul> angelox_123: he knows. please stop highlighting me, guys :)
May 09 20:40:37 <morphis> angelox_123: can you add a "print sys.path" a line 94 of bin/aurora?
May 09 20:40:50 <morphis> then run again and give me the result
May 09 20:40:55 <morphis> mickeyl: :)
May 09 20:41:10 <angelox_123> ok
May 09 20:43:41 <angelox_123> morphis: no effect on error :\     http://pastebin.com/gd8fhnCe
May 09 20:44:01 <mickeyl> ok, enough for today
May 09 20:44:16 <morphis> I am stupid ...
May 09 20:44:34 <angelox_123> i don't think so :)
May 09 20:44:41 <mickeyl> morphis: i think i got the right split between UI and business logic now. will connect them with FSO soon
May 09 20:44:44 <mickeyl> gnight
May 09 20:44:56 <morphis> mickey|zzZZzz: great
May 09 20:44:57 <CIA-10> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r736fccdf668f 10/aurora/ (33 files in 6 dirs): aurora: add skeleton for PowerStatusIndicator
May 09 20:44:58 <morphis> mickey|zzZZzz: gn8
May 09 20:45:08 <mickey|zzZZzz> we should talk soon
May 09 20:45:13 <angelox_123> good night mickey|zzZZzz
May 09 20:45:30 <morphis> angelox_123: I hope I found out now why it fails
May 09 20:45:40 <morphis> will commit it tomorrow, ok?
May 09 20:45:51 <angelox_123> oh no :(
May 09 20:45:54 <angelox_123> haha ok no problems
May 09 20:45:58 <morphis> .)
May 09 20:46:13 <angelox_123> but please...
May 09 20:46:19 <angelox_123> don't forget :D
May 09 20:46:32 <morphis> the general problem you have when porting from one linux distro to another  one :)
May 09 20:46:36 <morphis> no I will not
May 09 20:47:30 <angelox_123> hmm ok..
May 09 20:47:58 <angelox_123> but i don't know what is that problem :) 
May 09 20:51:58 <morphis> the problem is that your python is not searching in the correct path
May 09 20:52:04 <morphis> so I tried to fix the problem
May 09 20:52:11 <morphis> with adding the install path to the sys-path
May 09 20:53:19 <angelox_123> ah undestood now,thanks :)
May 09 20:53:26 <morphis> but I added the code to a place where it never get called
May 09 20:53:31 <morphis> cause the script failed before
May 09 20:53:48 <morphis> so I will move to code before all the import calls
May 09 20:54:07 <angelox_123> ahh
May 09 20:54:11 <angelox_123> so it's easy
May 09 20:56:22 <angelox_123> cool,i'm starting to like python ;)
May 09 21:00:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickey|zzZZzz, 
May 09 21:00:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> cmthandler.vala:47.2-47.10: error: The name `write' does not exist in the context of `FsoAudio.PcmDevice'
May 09 21:00:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> I added it tough
May 09 21:00:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> +    public Alsa2.PcmSignedFrames write( void* buffer, Alsa2.PcmUnsignedFrames size )
May 09 21:00:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> +      { return device.writei( buffer,size ); }
May 09 21:01:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> in a/fsoaudiod/src/lib/alsa.vala
May 09 21:06:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, any idea?
May 09 21:08:09 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: can you pastebin the complete output of make?
May 09 21:08:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't know a thing about vala
May 09 21:08:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
May 09 21:08:23 <mrmoku> I leanred that vala output can confuse a lot :P
May 09 21:08:27 <mrmoku> learned even
May 09 21:08:42 <dcordes> good night
May 09 21:08:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://pastie.org/1882746
May 09 21:08:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> good night
May 09 21:09:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://pastie.org/1882749
May 09 21:14:35 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: looks all good to me (valanoop)... maybe alsa.vala is no dep of the cmtspeech plugin and did not get rebuilt?
May 09 21:15:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm building with oe_runmake
May 09 21:15:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe alsa.vala get taken from oe?
May 09 21:16:17 <mrmoku> no idea
May 09 21:16:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> should I abandon and post the code somewhere for someone else to continue from my steps?
May 09 21:17:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> what should I do?
May 09 21:18:19 <angelox_123> should you wait mickeyl wake up ? :)
May 09 21:18:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> note that it may be better since I can get nervous very fast
May 09 21:18:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 21:18:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> in fact this issue got me very nervous
May 09 21:19:11 <angelox_123> im nervous with a simple issue here too
May 09 21:19:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox_123, I can explain but it's the fault of the htcdream
May 09 21:19:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> it wasn't even worth since it's a device that spies a lot, even if it get liberated:
May 09 21:19:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> the modem and the gps are under the baseband control
May 09 21:20:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> not to count that the baseband has access to the ram chip of the application CPU
May 09 21:21:18 <angelox_123> hmm
May 09 21:21:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically I hit my head against alsa, wifi etc.... of the htc dream
May 09 21:21:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't know anything about alsa
May 09 21:22:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> and I dived head first into it
May 09 21:22:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> with a driver that was:
May 09 21:22:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> *badly written
May 09 21:22:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> *incomplete
May 09 21:22:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> *buggy
May 09 21:22:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> my goal was to make it work
May 09 21:22:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I somewhat succedded
May 09 21:23:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> palm worked arround for the palm pixie
May 09 21:23:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> so basically it somehow works, somehow means very badly, mplayer is perfect with a hack
May 09 21:23:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> but then....
May 09 21:23:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> some applications work poorly
May 09 21:23:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> some like aplay work fine
May 09 21:23:59 <angelox_123> hmmm i see...
May 09 21:24:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> everything in this android device was non standard:
May 09 21:24:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> *sound
May 09 21:24:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> *wifi
May 09 21:24:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> *backlight
May 09 21:24:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> *wakelocks
May 09 21:24:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
May 09 21:24:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> so it was a lot of work
May 09 21:24:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> very frustrating
May 09 21:24:49 <angelox_123> android make the things so ugly...
May 09 21:24:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> like looking for hours why the wifi doesn't come up
May 09 21:24:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> looking for the right CONFIG_
May 09 21:25:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> because it worked for leviathan 
May 09 21:25:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> but not for mickey and me
May 09 21:25:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> at the end mickey and me got problems because of that
May 09 21:25:37 <angelox_123> hmm...
May 09 21:25:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> we are fed up quickely when something doesn't work quickely
May 09 21:25:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> for leviathan I don't know
May 09 21:26:26 <angelox_123> and you're rewritting the driver?
May 09 21:26:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
May 09 21:26:34 <leviathan> I took a look into the datasheets
May 09 21:26:38 <leviathan> hardware spec and so on
May 09 21:26:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 21:26:57 <leviathan> no wonder they tried to hide their driver code
May 09 21:27:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, also some time when something didn't work or worked only for you you called me
May 09 21:27:07 <leviathan> their hardware is designed so ugly
May 09 21:27:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
May 09 21:27:13 <leviathan> if you even can call it design
May 09 21:27:14 <leviathan> -.-
May 09 21:27:22 <angelox_123> gnutoo,i don't now the name of what is fsoaudiod for example...if it's middleware,low-level code....
May 09 21:27:36 <leviathan> angelox_123: fsoaudiod is middleware
May 09 21:27:43 <leviathan> it's part of the fso middleware
May 09 21:27:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox_123, it's the new audio api by morphis
May 09 21:27:52 <leviathan> GNUtoo|laptop: cool
May 09 21:28:00 <leviathan> does it support auto audio routing in alsa?
May 09 21:28:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes, something like that
May 09 21:28:16 <leviathan> so that it automatically mutes the main speaker when I plug in my headset in FR
May 09 21:28:18 <leviathan> =D
May 09 21:28:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, ah that, yes of course
May 09 21:28:26 <angelox_123> hmm,understood thanks leviathan. GNUtoo,understood too
May 09 21:28:33 <leviathan> btw
May 09 21:28:41 <leviathan> the new openmoko board is now done
May 09 21:28:46 <leviathan> the prototype boots
May 09 21:28:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
May 09 21:28:47 <angelox_123> yes,as i could understand,a hard task for a ugly device
May 09 21:28:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I eared that
May 09 21:28:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> with the 2E regulator
May 09 21:29:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> so after the 2E regulator what did they do?
May 09 21:29:27 <leviathan> they wired around
May 09 21:29:31 <leviathan> in the first board
May 09 21:29:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, on n900 we have 3g, and will have calls if I finish this alsa player
May 09 21:29:36 <leviathan> the recent board has all bugs fixed
May 09 21:29:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow!!!!
May 09 21:29:59 <leviathan> the first bunch will soon be ready for deployment I hope
May 09 21:30:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 21:30:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it will cost a lot
May 09 21:30:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
May 09 21:30:12 <leviathan> 500€
May 09 21:30:13 <leviathan> -.-
May 09 21:30:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 21:30:19 <angelox_123> will be a phone too or just a board like beagleboard?
May 09 21:30:23 <leviathan> board
May 09 21:30:27 <leviathan> with all on it
May 09 21:30:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 09 21:30:31 <leviathan> but just the board
May 09 21:30:36 <leviathan> because we can't afford cases
May 09 21:30:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> what can I do with just the board?
May 09 21:30:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> plug in an om-gta02 case?
May 09 21:30:45 <leviathan> in small numbers they are not affordable for us
May 09 21:30:47 <leviathan> the cases
May 09 21:30:48 <leviathan> hmm
May 09 21:30:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I know
May 09 21:31:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> buglabs told me that the thing that costs the most in their modules....is the plastic
May 09 21:31:11 <angelox_123> ok
May 09 21:31:15 <leviathan> it's compatible to the recent freerunner / neoxx board
May 09 21:31:23 <leviathan> yes
May 09 21:31:28 <leviathan> it's not even the plastic
May 09 21:31:31 <leviathan> it's the production
May 09 21:31:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 09 21:31:42 <leviathan> thats why I'm ATM involved in the RepRap project
May 09 21:31:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 21:31:52 <leviathan> I'm working on a way to print the cases
May 09 21:31:52 <angelox_123> RepRap?
May 09 21:31:56 <leviathan> yes
May 09 21:31:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's very good news
May 09 21:32:05 <leviathan> self replicating rapid prototyping
May 09 21:32:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> leviathan, you're for freedom or you just hate android?
May 09 21:32:23 <leviathan> angelox_123: http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
May 09 21:32:28 <leviathan> I don't like android
May 09 21:32:29 <leviathan> yes
May 09 21:32:34 <angelox_123> leviathan:checking...
May 09 21:32:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I learned that the ram banks are on a bus which is accessible by the baseband and the main CPU
May 09 21:32:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> for msm7k
May 09 21:32:52 <leviathan> hmm
May 09 21:32:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> like in the datasheets page
May 09 21:32:52 <leviathan> yes
May 09 21:32:57 <leviathan> which makes me a bit courios
May 09 21:33:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> that means that the baseband has full control of the ram if it wants
May 09 21:33:10 <leviathan> it might be that they still are sniffing everything we do
May 09 21:33:21 <leviathan> even when we do boot SHR on it
May 09 21:33:24 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: if you want I can take a look at cmtspeech too... it probably is more important than messages
May 09 21:33:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes but in another hand....we can do the countrary right?
May 09 21:33:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> sniff the baseband and reverse it
May 09 21:33:38 <angelox_123> very cool leviathan
May 09 21:33:47 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: not today though :P
May 09 21:33:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, basically I'll pastebin my code for now
May 09 21:33:55 <mrmoku> ok
May 09 21:34:03 <mrmoku> I will look at it tomorrow then
May 09 21:34:05 <leviathan> GNUtoo|laptop: that's a funny idea, sniffing baseband
May 09 21:34:07 <leviathan> but might work
May 09 21:34:08 <leviathan> :-)
May 09 21:34:11 <mrmoku> now bedtime :)
May 09 21:34:15 <mrmoku> gnight all
May 09 21:34:30 <angelox_123> good night
May 09 21:35:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.pastie.org/1882838
May 09 21:35:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> good night
May 09 21:35:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> I forgott to change the copyright and hope it doesn't make bad publicity for mickeyl
May 09 21:36:28 <angelox_123> why bad publicity ?
May 09 21:37:17 <angelox_123> you need only say to him :) or paste again
May 09 21:39:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> because it has his name on a code altered by me
May 09 21:39:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> and that code will go in search engines
May 09 21:40:50 <angelox_123> hum undestand..in that case,because i dont know,you should add a copyright about you after his one or remove his copyright and leave only one about you?
May 09 21:41:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> add after
May 09 21:41:48 <angelox_123> understood,thanks by help me to understand licenses 
May 09 21:42:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically you add it like that:
May 09 21:42:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> under that:
May 09 21:43:01 <GNUtoo|laptop>  * Copyright (C) 2011 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mlauer@vanille-media.de>
May 09 21:43:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> you add yours
May 09 21:43:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> like that:
May 09 21:43:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> * Copyright (C) 2011 Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org>
May 09 21:44:05 <angelox_123> i see...
May 09 21:44:36 <angelox_123> cool,but that is only for LGPL isn't? 
May 09 21:44:50 <angelox_123> or others too?
May 09 21:46:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> others too
May 09 21:46:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> usually you also add your copyright when you changed enough things
May 09 21:46:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> not when you fixed a small thing
May 09 21:47:16 <angelox_123> hmm ok...
May 09 21:47:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> for instance I have made one patch that was a rebase of an wl1271 patch for wl1251 and it went in the official kernel => I do not have my copyrights in it
May 09 21:48:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> in another hand I made a board file for the bug 1.x and it went mainline and it has my copyrights in it
May 09 21:48:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> (I proposed it for mainline and at the end it got accepted, it was mostly adaptation and huge debugging)
May 09 21:49:52 <angelox_123> hmm ok,thanks for explanation (don't know if i wrote correct,without auto-correction here)
May 09 21:50:08 <angelox_123> i'm checking your code now to try understand
May 09 21:50:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> check also the GPL
May 09 21:51:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.txt
May 09 21:51:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> it has, at the end, a section on how to apply it
May 09 21:51:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> and if you're interesting in legal stuff you can even read it
May 09 21:51:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's the gplv3
May 09 21:53:10 <angelox_123> ok i'll read
May 09 21:53:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, I really wonder if I shouldn't use a higher level lib
May 09 21:53:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> for instance appsrc
May 09 21:53:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> in pulseaudio
May 09 21:53:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> I know pulseaudio
May 09 21:54:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> I even wrote vala code that makes use of pulseaudio
May 09 21:54:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> I should finish it and pubilsh it btw
May 09 21:54:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's a camera application for the bug20
May 09 21:56:54 * angelox_123 is reading a QML-Based GUI code that he wrote
May 09 21:57:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> is qml adaptable with themes?
May 09 21:57:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> theme means like css
May 09 21:57:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> not like gnome theme
May 09 21:57:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> it means that you can move the button
May 09 21:57:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> or similar things
May 09 21:57:50 <angelox_123> well
May 09 21:58:01 <angelox_123> no but it was with a lot of functions
May 09 21:58:18 <angelox_123> *hide taskbar
May 09 21:58:28 <angelox_123> *3 changeable wallpapers
May 09 21:58:37 <angelox_123> *incomplete code :)
May 09 21:58:44 <angelox_123> but was funny to write it
May 09 21:59:23 <angelox_123> and stupid to loose it :\
May 09 22:00:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
May 09 22:04:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> angelox_123, did you succeed at installing aurora?
May 09 22:04:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> if so do you care to do a gpe-scap for scap.linuxtogo ?
May 09 22:04:44 <angelox_123> not exactly
May 09 22:04:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
May 09 22:05:06 <angelox_123> to fix i need only learn a bit about sys.path
May 09 22:13:45 * angelox_123 is almost fixing
May 09 22:14:42 * GNUtoo|laptop will go to sleep,bye
May 10 00:21:52 <IceWewe> what package is org.freesmartphone.frameworkd supplied in?
May 10 00:22:02 <IceWewe> I'm trying to run zhone on debian on a Freerunner and I'm having a *devil* of a time.
May 10 00:22:56 <IceWewe> I've done a git checkout of framework and installed it, but to no avail
May 10 00:31:30 <darkh> Hi, IceWewe i doubt i can help you and those who could are already sleeping.
May 10 01:09:13 <IceWewe> darkh, hey, thanks for the reply. I actually checked out framework from git and installed it; that seemed to solve my frameworkd errors, but zhone is complaining about zhone.edj being "shallow"
May 10 01:09:18 <IceWewe> and I've ceased caring.
May 10 01:11:32 <darkh> I'm sorry i can't help you. maybe you should try it during the day and not that late at night/early in the mornging when the others are awake again
May 10 01:54:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'm really but really tempted to write it in C
May 10 01:54:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> why do I have to write that in vala
May 10 01:54:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> that slows me down really a lot
May 10 01:59:29 <darkh> write what in c?
May 10 02:01:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> the alsa backend of cmtspeech fsoaudiod plugin for the nokia n900 
May 10 02:02:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> there isn't frames_to_bytes and bytes_to_frame in the vapi
May 10 02:02:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> and it doesn't recognize the write function that I added in the alsa lib
May 10 02:12:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah there is no bytes_to_frames in userspace
May 10 02:13:15 <darkh> i tried vala on year ago i guess and ended up with the same problem that most stuff you need is not available in vala
May 10 02:14:40 <darkh> good luck GNUtoo|laptop and good night
May 10 02:14:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> thanks
May 10 02:15:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> I did some vala for fsogsmd
May 10 02:15:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it seem that it's harder with that alsa plugin
May 10 02:25:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I DON'T LIKE VALA ANYMORE
May 10 02:38:51 <larsc> i still like vanilla
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