**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 25 02:59:57 2011 May 25 04:52:51 2.6.39 with larsc's defconfig boots ok :) May 25 04:54:41 yo, mooo May 25 04:56:52 mooo May 25 05:33:45 JaMa|Off: yo, great May 25 05:34:21 JaMa|Off: before I ask him if he has an idea about missing uevents for bq27x00 I would like to know if it works on .39 May 25 05:51:04 one advise for .39 was to disable bq27x00.. :/ May 25 05:51:50 and I spoke too soon, it boots from nand, uSD is strange May 25 05:52:25 hmm, ok May 25 05:53:00 JaMa|Off: btw. I have one thing with .37 that might be kernel related too... mokomaze freezes May 25 05:53:24 you can start to play... maybe even finish the first round, but then it brings everything to a halt May 25 05:53:28 no ssh May 25 05:53:30 no nothing May 25 05:53:36 battery pulling time May 25 05:55:24 ah :/ May 25 06:01:53 JaMa: I have no prove it's kernel related... but that's the only thing I can think of May 25 06:03:18 hopefully we'll be able to test it on 2.6.39 soon May 25 06:04:35 JaMa: yeah, that would be good May 25 06:11:07 mrmoku: with uSD I got unknown partition table like GNUtoo with 2.6.37, weird May 25 06:23:49 JaMa: want me to try? May 25 06:28:33 mrmoku: if you want you can try http://jama.dyndns-home.com/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/kernel-39-larsc-defconfig/ May 25 06:29:57 mrmoku: yesterday I arrived home with terrible headache and stayed in bed whole evening :/ May 25 06:30:21 I hope today will be better and I'll find which option causes panic in our defconfig May 25 06:31:31 btw larsc's defconfig is without modules and for some reason in kernel g_ether didn't work for me May 25 06:31:56 ok, I'll try May 25 06:36:20 JaMa: yeah, kernel panic for me too May 25 06:36:26 mount_block_root May 25 06:39:21 unknown partition? May 25 06:39:28 unknown partition table? May 25 07:05:15 <[Rui]> moin May 25 07:06:08 moin May 25 07:06:48 JaMa: no, can't see anything about partition table May 25 07:07:03 unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(179,1) May 25 07:07:40 mrmoku: here is my log http://paste.pocoo.org/show/394705/ May 25 07:08:01 ahh... error: magic mismatch May 25 07:09:48 (which is probably due to not being able to read the card at all) May 25 07:16:14 * JaMa has another build with only few options from larsc defconfig merged and MMC debug enabled May 25 07:31:53 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rcce27b3db448 10/aurora/components/common/HubList.qml: aurora: use a flickable rather than a listview in the hublist May 25 07:31:54 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r40375677bb8d 10/aurora/components/common/StatusBar.qml: aurora: do not write to invalid property in the statusbar component May 25 07:31:55 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r94d1fff1f0d3 10/aurora/kernel/ (Makefile.am systemcontroller.cpp systemcontroller.h): aurora: we need to use the meta object compiler for qt sources May 25 07:31:55 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r4243fa08ef16 10/aurora/kernel/Makefile.am: aurora: include saverestorestate component in kernel library May 25 07:31:56 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r893ea2a91175 10/aurora/.gitignore: aurora: update .gitignore to ignore files generated meta object compiler May 25 07:40:39 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r84e1da1a5c89 10/aurora/kernel/Makefile.am: aurora: cleanup even files generated by the meta object compiler May 25 07:53:54 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * ra734757810de 10/aurora/ (6 files in 2 dirs): aurora: implement initialize/shutdown for the kernel module May 25 10:33:57 JaMa, it seems efl 1.0.1 is out as said in #e :) Which version are we using in OE? May 25 10:44:40 1.0.0 in std shr-u May 25 10:54:14 pespin: feel free to send patches, I'll probably stay with trunk in my builds (so to test 1.0.1 locally I would have to downgrade it all :/) May 25 10:57:02 JaMa|Away, in which oe repo? old one? meta-efl? I don't have time till 2-3 weeks, but I could do it if no one does it before :) May 25 11:36:56 I don't have much time till end of July (when I hope for efl-1.1 :)) and I'm using trunk in both old as well as meta-efl May 25 11:45:30 37 May 25 11:47:03 39 May 25 12:36:54 Answering my phone is unfortunately not fixed after today's upgrade :-( May 25 12:37:26 It does stop buzzing, but the ring tone continues after I press 'Answer'. Also, the volume jumps to 0. May 25 12:37:53 I've checked all the files called 'gsmhand*', and found one more place where there was a line 94: (and removed that one). May 25 14:11:57 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r46d534e4dfa9 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-openmoko.inc linux-openmoko_2.6.37.bb): linux-openmoko: search for mtdutils in sbinding May 25 14:12:01 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r637a6a5815e2 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/ (4 files): freesmartphone: bump SRCREVs May 25 14:12:02 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r729abea3c2f8 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: migrate nokia900 to devtmpfs May 25 14:12:12 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rccdabb1d7b4b 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/fso-specs_git.bb: fso-specs: older SRCREV because HEAD causes libfreesmartphone-glib to fail May 25 14:15:52 meta-smartphone-stats: JaMa (194), morphis (9), mrmoku(6), GNUtoo (5) May 25 14:15:54 :) May 25 14:16:27 JaMa|Away, I cannot build meta-smartphone, not enough disk space May 25 14:17:53 GNUtoo: pity :/ May 25 14:18:21 JaMa|Away, I've already tons of machines, 2 tmpdirs(shr and angstrom) May 25 14:18:31 and I don't use rm_work May 25 14:18:55 why not using rm_work? May 25 14:19:17 I can't since I loose all errors May 25 14:19:20 and I work like that May 25 14:19:32 I go back in tmpdir to get the errors for the commit message May 25 14:19:43 if something fails it doesn't continue to call rm_work May 25 14:20:14 ok May 25 14:20:20 so in the case you have: May 25 14:20:26 bitbake foo //fails at foo May 25 14:20:33 /bump PR May 25 14:20:34 and temp dir is also kept for log.do* May 25 14:20:39 bitbake foo //success May 25 14:20:51 ok May 25 14:21:01 the foo-r0 is kept May 25 14:21:02 ? May 25 14:21:20 if I need to diff between working and failing build I use -c build to ignore rm_work May 25 14:21:25 and yes foo-r0 is kept May 25 14:21:32 ok May 25 14:21:38 that's why I rm -rf tmp/work/* completely sometimes May 25 14:21:50 or at least huge dirs there May 25 14:22:01 I also often use the dirs for changing the kernel config May 25 14:22:02 for instance May 25 14:22:08 to compile modules etc.... May 25 14:36:21 ok, if it's worth it for you to keep them.. May 25 14:36:37 but I would be out of space quickly without rm_work.. May 25 15:09:11 * playya_ has a new phone :) May 25 15:10:51 yeah :) May 25 15:12:20 guess I'll have to work on the gps dissector then... May 25 15:14:32 i need a sd card first ;) May 25 15:17:03 phew...that gives me a day probably :) May 25 15:18:02 depends on my bank card May 25 15:22:18 bbl. May 25 15:49:37 damn it May 25 15:55:02 I compiled the shr-image which generates an u-boot, too. does it use mmcblk0 or 1? May 25 16:02:35 and builder.py tells me my kernel is too big :( May 25 16:18:09 mickeyl: ping May 25 16:31:27 playya_: which kernel did you build? May 25 16:32:20 playya_: and latest SHR u-boot uses mmcblk1 http://git.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=daab5afcad63ccb9fa4029a628d50012728f430d May 25 16:32:38 playya_: but to be save use binary I linked from wiki May 25 16:55:11 playya_: and for builder you need the maemo kernel... not the shr kernel May 25 16:56:57 heyho May 25 16:58:48 morphis: Hey ,could you take a look to this anytime? http://pastie.org/1972115,i think there's something missing but ./configure worked fine May 25 17:00:10 angelox: looks like a problem with your qt installation May 25 17:01:13 let me try something May 25 17:02:14 morphis: ok reinstalling it to try May 25 17:02:35 no May 25 17:02:36 wait May 25 17:02:40 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rd0202a850485 10/aurora/kernel/systemcontroller.h: aurora: add public marker for inheritance of QObject in sytem controller class May 25 17:02:50 can you retry with my last commit? May 25 17:03:37 yes,let me do it May 25 17:06:09 JaMa|Off, mrmoku, thx. will test it later. a friend includinging his pandaboard is here ;) May 25 17:06:16 mickeyl: ping May 25 17:06:52 morphis: worked,but i need install moc,forgot to do it,thanks May 25 17:07:01 ok May 25 17:09:39 "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lshiboken"??? ./configure found it...strange May 25 17:41:51 pong May 25 17:41:57 morphis: ping May 25 17:42:08 morphis: 2 things before i forget them May 25 17:50:53 mickeyl: some idea about this: ""/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lshiboken"" ? ./configure found it,i can't understand :) May 25 17:52:52 do you have libshiboken-dev installed? May 25 17:53:08 the configure.ac looks broken to me, but not because of shiboken :) May 25 17:58:57 mickeyl: libshibroken-dev don't have to install,but shiboken-devel installed May 25 18:03:58 hmm,my configure looks a bit strange if i understood May 25 18:04:22 "Makefile:PYSIDE_LIBS = /usr/lib64/libpython2.7.so -lpyside -lshiboken and Makefile:SHIBOKEN_LIBS = /usr/lib64/libpython2.7.so -lshiboken " May 25 18:04:55 this is probably being picked up by shibokens pkgconfig file May 25 19:29:48 is there any human readable config to disable the transparent cursor May 25 19:43:28 playya: do you have -nocursor in ps aux | grep Xorg? May 25 19:43:52 playya: or do you really have cursor enabled but with transparent "look"? May 25 19:43:55 nope May 25 19:44:20 (I'm running shr on a pandaboard) May 25 19:44:39 ah, I expected n900... May 25 19:45:24 no. not yet May 25 19:46:14 you can try to opkg remove xcursor-transparent-theme May 25 19:46:23 but it's not using u-a so not sure what happens May 25 19:47:30 still no cursor May 25 19:47:37 if you end up without any cursor you can install xcursor-themes May 25 19:48:52 or even add -retro to Xorg startup :) May 25 19:56:27 no networking yet :( May 25 19:58:45 mickeyl: once you wanted 2.6.39 kernel with n_gsm for freerunner, do you still care and is booting from nand an option for you? MMC seems a bit broken.. May 25 20:01:15 is it possible to have 2 phonet sockets on the n900 modem? May 25 20:01:33 JaMa|Off: do you have it booted and could try if uevent for bq27x00 is working? ahh, or is it disabled anyway? May 25 20:01:54 mrmoku: i have it booted but now with bq27x00 disabled May 25 20:02:10 ok May 25 20:03:45 looks lik a full reboot helps May 25 20:04:05 mrmoku: now I also get [ 492.105000] EXT2-fs (mmcblk0p1): error: magic mismatch May 25 20:04:20 mrmoku: when mounting uSD from image in nand May 25 20:04:50 hmm.. yeah, that was my problem May 25 20:05:17 guess that is not prime time ready yet :P May 25 20:05:31 maybe just data read from uSD are messed and first I got wrong data instead of partition May 25 20:05:34 table May 25 20:05:48 and now I was more lucky to get partition table right but wrong superblock.. May 25 20:14:33 with newer kernel (kernel-39-mmc-debug) I got WSOD, so I had to reflash Qi to version with slower timings and after *a lot* of mmc debug messages I got error: magic mismatch again and panic May 25 20:15:29 booting from nand with bq27x00 now.. May 25 20:17:16 and it locks like larsc reported, but no AUX flashes like with first defconfig May 25 20:33:02 heh :/ May 25 20:33:10 JaMa|Off: thanks for trying :-) May 25 20:37:56 even sms works with .39 :) strange that sim_buffers_sms = false doesn't work anymore May 25 20:39:21 mickeyl: pong May 25 20:40:47 mrmoku: I had to increase credit on my sim to keep it alive.. so if you want tester for gprs with n_gsm I can try :) May 25 20:49:30 JaMa|Off: would it work already? May 25 20:50:17 I have no idea May 25 21:20:24 what's the enhanced kernel for power users in maemo5? May 25 21:33:59 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rb67f6a1b1ec7 10/aurora/ (14 files in 6 dirs): aurora: implement first bits of the active call page within the phone application May 25 21:35:57 * angelox is sad because he can't test aurora no more : May 25 22:11:58 playya, hi, it's the 2.6.28 + some more features like ad-hoc/IBSS and usb host, overclocking etc.... May 25 22:12:45 angelox, why? May 25 22:14:12 GNUtoo: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lshiboken" getting that with everything about shiboken installed May 25 22:14:33 GNUtoo: that after i reinstalled all my system to a new version May 25 22:16:30 then fix it or ask somebody for help May 25 22:17:10 -lshiboken finds things such as: May 25 22:17:17 libshiboken May 25 22:17:21 oops May 25 22:17:22 libshiboken.so May 25 22:17:52 libshiboken.so.numbers May 25 22:17:58 numbers beeing 0.0.0 for instance May 25 22:18:22 it looks into -L May 25 22:18:45 for instance if your lib is in /usr/lib do -L/usr/lib May 25 22:19:02 if it's in /usr/local/lib change it with /usr/local/lib May 25 22:19:17 well.i think that is strange ./configure founds it and make doesn't, i think that it is a problem on Makefile or something like,since i've never had that problem,trying your tips May 25 22:23:08 maybe they broke the build system(autotools not oe) May 25 22:25:07 fixed May 25 22:25:14 :) thanks by your tips May 25 22:26:05 needed only do some changes on shiboken.pc and do this: "cp -f libshiboken-python2.7.so.1.0.2 libshiboken.so" May 25 22:28:51 ok,another error, "ImportError: cannot import name kernel",trying... May 25 22:29:32 name kernel??? May 25 22:30:35 yes..it's lib(or module,don't know the correct module) from Aurora May 25 22:31:02 pastebin the whole python log/trackball May 25 22:31:24 *traceback May 25 22:31:36 (I didn't remember the name) May 25 22:35:06 it's a lib search error,it needs find in /usr/local/lib64(where is that kernel) and in /usr/local/lib(where is all others components from aurora),i need do python search for both May 25 22:35:35 http://pastie.org/1973656 if you want to see May 25 22:48:36 no,no effect :\ May 25 22:56:37 mickeyl: ping May 25 23:26:29 hey GNUtoo May 25 23:27:03 Lopi, hi May 25 23:27:18 I tough you abandoned the iphone port for another dual core phone port May 25 23:27:53 angelox, maybe wait for morphis or ask on the mailing list May 25 23:29:46 GNUtoo: yes,mickeyl should be sleeping now or busy :) May 25 23:30:07 so send a mail May 25 23:30:21 hey GNUtoo May 25 23:30:31 sorry I dced May 25 23:30:34 dejaGNU? May 25 23:30:48 dcdd? May 25 23:30:52 *cded May 25 23:30:53 disconnected May 25 23:30:55 ok May 25 23:30:58 so I said: May 25 23:31:02 I tough you abandoned the iphone port for another dual core phone port May 25 23:31:29 I don't have that device yet, and I'm still going to continue with the iPhone after I get it May 25 23:31:36 ok May 25 23:32:01 so what will you work on next for the iphone? May 25 23:32:07 still fsogsmd plugin? May 25 23:32:18 baseband most likely, but do I have to use fsogsmd? May 25 23:32:28 ofono seems so much easier ;p May 25 23:32:36 ofono is in C May 25 23:32:43 yep May 25 23:32:54 vala would have been easier for you May 25 23:33:00 why is that May 25 23:33:15 the programming language that fsogsmd is written in May 25 23:33:19 it's similar to java May 25 23:33:25 which you already know May 25 23:33:31 yeah, but it's a mashup of multiple languages May 25 23:34:03 it's great for stuff like concurency May 25 23:34:12 I find the ofono API much easier to understand May 25 23:34:14 it hides a lot of the complexity May 25 23:34:17 ah ok May 25 23:34:22 but then you need a GUI May 25 23:34:38 on top of ofono May 25 23:34:51 ah, the dialer won't work with ofono? May 25 23:34:55 no May 25 23:34:59 it's meant for fso May 25 23:35:09 hmm I see May 25 23:35:11 alright fine May 25 23:35:16 I'll continue with fsogsmd even if I hate it May 25 23:35:19 there is a gtk gui for ofono tough, but I really wonder how good they are May 25 23:35:30 there's one called sphone which isn't too bad May 25 23:35:33 because if the GUI is something like pidgin....... May 25 23:35:41 GTK GUI for ophono?? May 25 23:35:53 I thought they are all Qt?... May 25 23:35:59 I think dcordes knows one May 25 23:36:07 he used it in his hd2 ubuntu port May 25 23:36:12 yeah May 25 23:36:14 that's sphone May 25 23:36:17 ok May 25 23:36:19 how is it? May 25 23:36:26 was coded by a guy name amipro I believe May 25 23:36:30 I tested it under ubuntu May 25 23:36:34 it's very simple May 25 23:36:41 but serves its purpose May 25 23:36:48 actually done fairly well May 25 23:36:59 Lopi: if you want to use ophone, you'd probably be better off porting MeeGo as a whole... May 25 23:37:12 err... ophono May 25 23:37:13 antrik, without 3d May 25 23:37:24 not really an option with my device May 25 23:37:31 and I don't want to use meego anyway May 25 23:38:05 GNUtoo: what's that got to do with anything?... May 25 23:38:18 Lopi: well, creating a custom mashup distro is quite a lot of work... May 25 23:38:26 antrik: it will be very slow? May 25 23:38:28 antrik, the iphone has no woking 3d hardware acceleration May 25 23:38:35 meego requires 3d acceleration May 25 23:38:45 it's already slow with 3d May 25 23:38:54 I don't see why MeeGo would require 3D any more than other Qt stuff?... May 25 23:38:58 and it was unusable without May 25 23:39:04 well, with Apple's iDevices it's probably better that we create a custom mashup distro May 25 23:39:17 antrik, they do, the dialer apps etc... require 3d May 25 23:39:23 Lopi: why is that? May 25 23:39:39 maybe beacause of the effects etc....or beacuse QT is slow May 25 23:39:48 theses are devices that are like 600Mhz May 25 23:39:56 it's not the core i7 May 25 23:40:03 antrik: for the future of the project May 25 23:40:14 antrik: eventually we want a distro for Apple TV, iPad, etc. May 25 23:40:36 antrik: want it to be customizable across all the devices we support May 25 23:40:55 I see May 25 23:40:59 Lopi, efl is nice for that (enlightenement foundation libraries) May 25 23:41:12 the thing SHR is built on May 25 23:41:15 GNUtoo: yeah, I totally intend to use efl May 25 23:41:31 else there is only QT but it's kind of slow May 25 23:41:33 GNUtoo: this is all in the future though May 25 23:41:35 I wrote my own GSM daemon too May 25 23:41:38 ok May 25 23:41:42 Lopi: so you want to write an efl GUI for ofono? May 25 23:41:42 in a Gtk+ application May 25 23:41:59 indeed, fist fsogsmd plugin, that is not that hard May 25 23:42:03 just read the vala tutorial May 25 23:42:06 or part of it May 25 23:42:09 http://www.defora.org/os/project/download/3343/Phone May 25 23:42:26 Lopi: it might be of interest to you May 25 23:42:49 GNUtoo: going to be awhile before our bootloader is ported to iPhone4, iPad1G, iPT4G, etc. May 25 23:43:31 here's the problem we have with SHR May 25 23:43:32 khorben: cool screenshots May 25 23:43:37 angelox: thx May 25 23:43:53 the development version can use different backends for telephony May 25 23:44:03 it will be hard to customize it for our wide variety of devices May 25 23:44:21 it's not hard but long May 25 23:44:29 additionally, the iDroid (android port) project administrator absolutely hates SHR May 25 23:44:29 to customize for all the devices May 25 23:44:44 because of it being so reliant on vala May 25 23:44:52 he thinks it's a terrible language, etc. May 25 23:44:59 and without proper support from him May 25 23:45:02 it makes my job that much harder May 25 23:45:08 angelox: it's running on the openmoko freerunner, with some shots on an HTC phone too May 25 23:45:14 since everything I do relies on iDroid's work May 25 23:45:40 khorben: cool,since i've never programmed using GTK,it's a fantastic GUI May 25 23:46:02 unless you guys can convince him otherwise, I'm going to comply with his requests May 25 23:46:09 Lopi: you're developing a new distribution? or just porting SHR to it? May 25 23:46:20 with that being said, the IPT1G, iPhone2G, and iPhone3G will continue to use SHR May 25 23:47:10 however, the newer devices being ported (IPT4G, iPhone4, iPhone3GS, iPad1G, and Apple TV2G) will use a custom distro based on Ubuntu/Debian May 25 23:47:11 Lopi: what does he prefer? Java?... May 25 23:47:58 that's what he has recommended and lilstevie (Galaxy Linux Project) agrees (I think) May 25 23:48:39 ouch May 25 23:48:40 angelox: so far all I have done is port SHR and other various distros May 25 23:49:32 antrik: I'm not really sure what he prefers. He does a lot of work in various languages. May 25 23:49:58 hi there May 25 23:50:12 why he does hate Vala? May 25 23:50:28 I'd have to look through my logs, one sec May 25 23:51:23 I'm not a vala expert, but from what I've tried I like it a lot. May 25 23:51:44 i doesn't like C# :) May 25 23:52:12 angelox: what do you like? May 25 23:53:10 antrik: Pure C,C++,QtQML and some others May 25 23:53:56 I prefer Vala over Java May 25 23:54:22 GNUtoo: i've send a email to mailinglist,but i don't know if my server is running ok,could you check if you received it on your inbox? May 25 23:55:30 s/you/you please/ May 25 23:55:31 angelox meant: GNUtoo: i've send a email to mailinglist,but i don't know if my server is running ok,could you please check if you received it on your inbox? May 25 23:55:31 angelox: ah, good old low-level stuff ;-) May 25 23:55:46 here was our latest conversation pertaining to iX (my project for those that don't know): http://pastie.org/private/j0mufqp1lgnxjctuqaywq May 25 23:56:23 I must finish a kernel patch before May 25 23:57:09 "May 18 08:51:28 lilstevie: anything written in vala is evil, no question May 25 23:57:09 " May 25 23:57:36 strange May 25 23:57:53 ddominator: without a doubt, its the bastard stepchild of java and a few other languages May 25 23:57:57 lol, it's similar to the answer I got some days ago at #mumble on why did they remove the dbus api xD May 25 23:58:32 now you guys can understand his perspective May 25 23:58:51 suggestions and/or comments? May 25 23:58:59 btw, about minimal image and puting his own shit... you can use minimal images from OE... May 25 23:59:17 and set there your own distro as minimal as you want May 25 23:59:22 yeah, I originally recommended building a distro with oe May 25 23:59:33 with new layer system it should be easier afaik May 25 23:59:58 it's easy to compile all the packages available and host them on a repo May 26 00:00:04 many advantages May 26 00:00:27 only disadvantage is that it's very slow in comparison to mainstream distros May 26 00:00:51 as far as compiling goes May 26 00:01:07 imo anyway May 26 00:02:22 well, depending on the number of arch you support, the packages you want in your repos, and the computer you use to build them :) May 26 00:03:17 what's new with efl modules? May 26 00:03:27 any updates to elfe or news on the custom keyboard captainigloo was working on? May 26 00:03:40 been awhile since I have worked on this ;p May 26 00:04:53 Lopi, no idea about elfe/kb, but today efl 1.0.1 was released ;) May 26 00:05:24 okay, what about updates to SHR? May 26 00:06:21 Lopi: whow... from the conversation you posted, I don't think this project will go *anywhere*. everyone seems to want something completely different; with the *only* common ground being the Apple hardware May 26 00:06:33 Lopi, no idea, I've been/am quite busy with univ, I haven't been able to compile information and write news entries for some weeks now. Hopefully I'll be free in 2 weeks time :P May 26 00:07:19 antrik: ultimately, it's my project and I get to decide what will happen May 26 00:07:29 antrik: but there are a lot of conflicting ideas May 26 00:07:41 antrik: I'm the only one that actually does any work on it anyway May 26 00:08:29 antrik: it's very disheartening to hear you say that though ;( May 26 00:09:40 also, circular reasoning: Ubuntu won't work on older devices, but older devices are too slow anyways... to run Ubuntu. totally makes sense. May 26 00:09:51 angelox, what should I check for on the mailing list? May 26 00:10:21 Lopi: well, if you are the only one doing work, you should be the only one making decisions May 26 00:10:34 I may be wrong, but I think you should learn some vala before saying it's so bad ;) May 26 00:10:49 if you don't like Vala personally, that's certainly an argument... while someone else not liking it is totally irrelevant May 26 00:10:53 GNUtoo: if there's a message from me with this subject: "aurora: import name kernel failed" May 26 00:11:36 angelox, I don't have such message but be sure to check the archives May 26 00:11:46 Lopi: you can't make everyone happy anyways; so better stick to your own ideas -- and hope that someone else comes along with similar ones... May 26 00:12:07 GNUtoo: ok,maybe my server with problems... May 26 00:12:37 Lopi: I don't mean to discourage you at all. I'm just mean that you shouldn't bother too much about what the others are saying May 26 00:12:42 i sent it to "smartphones-userland < at > linuxtogo.org" it's correct? May 26 00:13:39 antrik, altough he should listen and learn from what other are saying, for instance if someone says that meego require 3d, it's that it require 3d May 26 00:13:57 but he should be the one deciding at the end May 26 00:14:30 BTW, I'm personally a big fan of C myself; but at some point I had to admit that for many things, a higher-level language is useful. and while I haven't tried learing Vala so far, it certainly does sound promising in some regards. only problem is that it's still very experimental from what I've seen here... May 26 00:15:03 yes May 26 00:15:23 wrong ctrl+w May 26 00:17:11 * pespin off to bed, gnight! May 26 00:18:05 BTW, if you really want to go for a mainstream distro, Debian certainly makes a lot more sense than Ubuntu. after all, it's the base anyways May 26 00:18:31 moo May 26 00:18:46 many projects that started as Ubuntu derivatives because of its popularity switched to Debian later May 26 00:19:06 antrik: I definitely agree with you May 26 00:19:30 antrik: when it comes down to it, I'm the "expert" within the iPhone hacking community related to this May 26 00:19:48 antrik: I've done the most work on it and experimented the most May 26 00:20:57 antrik: running Android and Linux are two completely different tasks as you probably already know May 26 00:21:39 antrik: I suppose my main problem is worrying too much about popularity. I feel all my work is wasted if no one uses it except a handful of people. May 26 00:24:45 Lopi: well, if you worry about popularity, you should jump on the Android train too ;-) May 26 00:25:18 antrik: heh good point, I helped with iDroid every now and then May 26 00:25:30 antrik: for example, I helped code the software buttons for gingerbread May 26 00:26:41 in the alternative operating system devroom at FOSDEM 2010, there was a rather convoluted, but nevertheless quite interesting talk. the major point is that projects aside from the mainstream should not try to catch popularity by running after mainstream trends (this doesn't work anyways, as the mainsteam projects are much better at that), but rather focus on their uniqueness May 26 00:27:44 ultimately, this is something I do for fun May 26 00:27:56 this will get less people interested -- but those few will be more serious about it, as you actually offer something unique for them... May 26 00:28:43 if you believe that what you are doing is worthwhile, just stick to it, rather than compromising for popularity May 26 00:28:53 I'm currently the first security intern for a major credit card company in the U.S. May 26 00:28:57 that's my day job ;p May 26 00:29:25 I'm going to stick with what I think is the best direction for the project May 26 00:29:35 if people don't like it, they can port another distro May 26 00:30:17 exactly May 26 00:30:58 * angelox haves his one,they could try too :) May 26 00:31:13 when it comes down to it, this is not for the masses May 26 00:31:20 that's what iDroid is for May 26 00:34:48 iDroid works well? May 26 00:39:01 BTW, saying Vala is a bastard child as a negative thing is silly... almost every language is derived from some other ones -- and that's a good thing! only way to create something better is to pick the best parts of what's already there, and add just a few individual touches where it makes sense May 26 00:40:54 angelox: yeah it works pretty well May 26 00:41:04 angelox: the newer devices will be much more complete ports May 26 00:41:20 angelox: power management is the biggest issue atm May 26 00:42:20 Lopi: hmm,yes,in a lot of distros,the remaining problem is ever power... May 26 00:42:25 antrik: totally agree May 26 02:04:27 I'm closing in on the 2.6.37 badblock issue May 26 02:05:25 just opened the 2.6.34 nand_base.c and the 2.6.37 one and started reverting stuff that looks suspicious May 26 02:05:41 it is working on my build, so now I need to start putting stuff back May 26 02:10:50 but I am working in the shr-chroot environment and I'm probaly doing it in a stupid way, it takes a lot of steps to try a new kernel May 26 02:11:07 if someone is setup for kernel work and is bored... May 26 02:52:54 jeepingben: uhm... you are doing the removing stuff by hand? ever heard of git bisect?... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 26 02:59:57 2011