**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 16 02:59:57 2011 Jun 16 04:49:54 ~moo Jun 16 04:49:55 * apt mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jun 16 05:25:47 lol, my #openmoko.log is 63.9MB, my #openmoko-cdevel.log is 63.8MB Jun 16 05:26:38 ooops sorry, of course it's the other way round Jun 16 05:51:29 DocScrutinizer: use logrotate. 8) Jun 16 05:51:45 nah, all fine Jun 16 05:52:15 actually I'm happy I found these finally Jun 16 05:52:36 under .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs - what else? Jun 16 05:53:09 an amazing 450MB all together Jun 16 05:53:48 * Q-Master is using xchat 8) Jun 16 05:54:26 I'm about to update to 1.3.1Konversation to see if it is better/less-sucky in some respects Jun 16 05:55:01 afraid this will kill all my IRC stuff incl logs and config, that's why I backup Jun 16 05:55:35 heard xchat on desktop is not on par with that on N900-maemo 8-) Jun 16 05:58:57 thought as much :-/ the friggin packet doesn't install under kde4.3.1 Jun 16 06:00:10 seems I should do a proper diskimage from an aux-system, then finally upgrade to 11.4 or what's recent Jun 16 06:00:25 :-S Jun 16 06:02:49 this friggin mess here doesn't earn to get the label OS, last kernel update killed almost everything, not even my USB external disk mounts Jun 16 09:05:29 hey friends, is wiki.freesmartphone.org login separate from e.g trac.fso.org? Jun 16 09:05:51 thought I had an account :-S Jun 16 09:33:47 Moin all! Jun 16 09:34:05 Anyone here who can help flash qtmoko to my FR (as a SHR backup) Jun 16 09:36:30 Ah, ok, skip that... I put in a new Qi, now it boots... Jun 16 09:44:44 meh, bringing up an sdram controller is such a pita... Jun 16 09:53:53 Is there a way to check if the speaker in the earpiece is still working, like, by cat-ting a wave sound somewhere? Jun 16 10:08:40 I did some experimenting. If I cat /opt/qtmoko/sounds/alarm.wav to /dev/audio, I get lots of noise (but that's ok) Jun 16 10:09:22 Then, I alsactl restore the /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and repeat the 'cat' commnd. I get nothing inthe earpiece. Jun 16 10:10:01 ChristW: gsmhandset is for direct connection between the gsm modem and wolfson codec. Jun 16 10:10:09 gsmspeakerout.state also does nothing (strange, I expected sound via the speaker at the bottom of the case) Jun 16 10:10:09 ChristW: so you're not supposed to. Jun 16 10:10:15 Same thing. Jun 16 10:10:23 So, the 2nd scenario does nothing as well. Jun 16 10:10:37 Perhaps voip-handset? Jun 16 10:11:03 Silence. Jun 16 10:11:35 ChristW: voip-handset should work as you expect Jun 16 10:12:29 And I get silence. So, my earpiece appears to be broken... Jun 16 10:13:08 I get no audio in SHR-U (and pespin said that it worked, so did mrmoku|italy), and none in QtMoko (ancient, dunno) and not in QtMoko 35... Jun 16 10:13:10 ChristW: or probably just bad connection to the board. Jun 16 10:13:20 * ChristW grumbles Jun 16 10:13:35 You can take the front panel and check the speaker with a DMM. Jun 16 10:13:41 DMM? Jun 16 10:13:47 Multimeter? Jun 16 10:13:51 Digital! Jun 16 10:15:27 I'll see what I can do. I'm still recovering from a broken arm last week, and have quite limited movement in the left arm/wrist. Typing is ... reasonable now, but stil hurts. Jun 16 10:16:09 (I had used QtMoko successfully earlier, so I suspected hardware problems after re-installing everything) Jun 16 10:23:06 * ChristW <- lunch Jun 16 10:36:02 ChristW: if you hear noise from a cat, but no audio during phone calls, I suspect something is broken nearer the GSM audio hardware rather then the speaker... Jun 16 10:50:16 antrik: I don't her noise from the earpiece, only from the speakers at the bottom of the case. Jun 16 10:52:04 ah, OK Jun 16 10:55:18 does the speaker work if you switch to "speakerphone" during the call? Jun 16 10:56:17 antrik: Yes, it does, and when I switch back, the audio is gone again. Jun 16 11:01:48 Hey, I found my AUX-button! It broke off, and was rattrling around in the case. It's out now... Jun 16 11:02:02 * ChristW wonders if this fixes his audio problems... Jun 16 11:13:30 Nope. Jun 16 11:14:45 So, I need to buy a battery for my DMM, and measure the impedance. What should it be? Jun 16 11:20:55 PaulFertser: ^^ Jun 16 11:21:30 ChristW: not zero, and you should hear a "tick" when you touch the terminals. Jun 16 11:21:49 ChristW: any multimeter should work, digital is not mandatory of course :) Jun 16 11:22:02 Ok, will test after I get back from groceries/battery Jun 16 11:22:20 I have 1 (one) multimeter, and it happens to be of the digital kind. Jun 16 11:22:46 And I don't have a 'scope, although I know how to handle one and know someone who does have one ;-) Jun 16 11:43:30 ping leviathan Jun 16 11:47:35 pong GNUtoo Jun 16 11:47:49 leviathan, did you already send the phone? Jun 16 11:47:52 yes Jun 16 11:48:00 should arrive tomorrow or so Jun 16 11:48:02 ok Jun 16 11:48:08 sent it by express and so Jun 16 11:48:18 because I had the late idea to send it to morphis instead Jun 16 11:48:25 -.- Jun 16 11:48:37 I went to send it Jun 16 11:48:40 yesterday morning Jun 16 11:48:42 ok Jun 16 11:48:45 no problem Jun 16 11:48:47 k Jun 16 11:48:53 you can pass it to him if you wish to Jun 16 11:48:57 of course :-) Jun 16 11:48:59 maybe it better this way Jun 16 11:49:06 since I could do some initial work on it Jun 16 11:49:10 yes Jun 16 11:49:23 so he could have it working when he get it Jun 16 11:49:27 if he get it Jun 16 11:49:39 so he don't have to bother writing xorg.conf etc.... Jun 16 11:49:40 yes Jun 16 11:49:47 good point Jun 16 11:49:59 anyway: It's on its way Jun 16 11:50:00 and I guess he would need the dialer etc... Jun 16 11:50:01 ok Jun 16 11:50:04 thanks a lot Jun 16 11:50:06 np Jun 16 11:50:16 I'm still working on a reprap Jun 16 11:50:18 -.- Jun 16 11:50:23 well Jun 16 11:50:33 at least the arduino part now oscillates and so Jun 16 11:50:42 and I get the RepRap terminal Jun 16 11:50:44 when I connect Jun 16 11:50:49 I designed my OWN arduino Jun 16 11:51:00 which has integrated USB done by an ATTiny85 Jun 16 11:51:05 from recursion.jp Jun 16 11:51:08 ^_^ Jun 16 11:51:10 ok, the kicad improvements are done? Jun 16 11:51:24 I gave up at some point Jun 16 11:51:28 ah ok Jun 16 11:51:31 it's too much work for getting done alon Jun 16 11:51:32 -.- Jun 16 11:51:42 Now I'm doing the reprap Jun 16 11:51:45 but you published it somewhere Jun 16 11:51:47 together with a friend of mine Jun 16 11:51:49 so someone could continue Jun 16 11:51:52 hmm Jun 16 11:51:53 ok Jun 16 11:51:54 nice Jun 16 11:52:04 arduino is fun Jun 16 11:52:05 I've got the soldering iron in front of me Jun 16 11:52:10 and some driver boards Jun 16 11:52:13 I made Jun 16 11:52:17 I've an arduino too, but I program it in bare C Jun 16 11:52:21 with avr-libc Jun 16 11:52:24 yes Jun 16 11:52:36 I'm normally a hardcore embeddedist too Jun 16 11:52:37 with the ISR etc... Jun 16 11:52:53 I tried to do a pinguino before but I failed Jun 16 11:52:54 BUT the RepRap firmware IS Arduino firmware Jun 16 11:52:57 hmm Jun 16 11:53:00 well Jun 16 11:53:08 (I think I broke the PIC) Jun 16 11:53:09 I've designed my own arduino Jun 16 11:53:15 ^^ Jun 16 11:53:34 how do you design your own arduino? Jun 16 11:54:10 specially the part where someone has to make the prototype Jun 16 11:54:19 you send that to a company Jun 16 11:54:22 and they do it? Jun 16 11:54:26 no Jun 16 11:54:30 It's single layer Jun 16 11:54:31 ;-) Jun 16 11:54:34 ah ok Jun 16 11:54:40 then it's easy to do at home Jun 16 11:54:43 and it works with acid and photo pcb Jun 16 11:54:46 :-) Jun 16 11:54:47 yes Jun 16 11:54:51 I also can do double layer Jun 16 11:54:52 I use FeCl3 Jun 16 11:54:56 even four layer Jun 16 11:54:58 hmm Jun 16 11:55:07 ClNa Jun 16 11:55:11 NOT NaCl ;-D Jun 16 11:55:23 Uhmm Jun 16 11:55:30 Natrium chloride is salt Jun 16 11:55:36 yes I know Jun 16 11:55:48 while chlore nitrat is what I'm using for my PCBs Jun 16 11:55:51 it's funny Jun 16 11:55:57 ok Jun 16 11:55:58 I always say it wrong Jun 16 11:55:59 xD Jun 16 11:56:25 it's a good test if people still are listening and understand what you are talking at all Jun 16 11:56:26 xD Jun 16 12:25:42 shr-n900 team, get your N900 now, or you'll hardly find any, if you wait any longer Jun 16 12:29:08 because nokia decided to stop selling them ? Jun 16 12:32:11 ChristW: check the spring levers on earpiece, they are flimsy and you'll probably better use a magn-glass to inspect them, should be symmetrical Jun 16 12:32:56 misc: indeed, they even replace broken N900 send in for warranty repair by N8 .oO(WTF?!) Jun 16 12:33:27 ""sorry no more N900"" Jun 16 12:40:44 DocScrutinizer, is it normal that the bottom of the n900 screen is less sensitive? Jun 16 12:41:07 not here Jun 16 12:41:54 ok Jun 16 12:42:00 so my n900 has an issue I guess Jun 16 12:42:22 that's nasty Jun 16 12:42:51 I'll try under maemo Jun 16 12:43:01 as you can't really do anything about it, except replacing touch panel Jun 16 12:43:11 yes, please do Jun 16 13:26:07 in maemo it's way better Jun 16 13:26:13 I'll try to recalibrate in SHR Jun 16 15:33:54 hi mickey|daddy Jun 16 15:34:07 what's the rfkill id in the rfkill fsodeviced plugin? Jun 16 15:50:47 GNUtoo: Ping! Jun 16 15:51:12 pong Jun 16 15:51:54 GNUtoo: Hi,i bought my N900 and it should arrive today or tomorrow,i'd like to know if there's any "Getting Started" guide to i read it and understand how it works... Jun 16 15:52:10 hmmm Jun 16 15:52:25 I started documenting the problems with the getting started here: Jun 16 15:52:46 btw,i'm saying about flashing tips... Jun 16 15:52:53 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900/Booting Jun 16 15:53:11 look in the bootloaders section Jun 16 15:53:18 every booting method has issues Jun 16 15:54:21 about flashing: Jun 16 15:54:25 there are 2 flashers availables Jun 16 15:54:26 hmm,thanks,and which one do you use? Jun 16 15:54:31 one is non-free and one is free Jun 16 15:54:39 the non-free is from nokia Jun 16 15:54:45 the free one is named 0xFFFF Jun 16 15:54:52 0xFFFF is sufficent for SHR Jun 16 15:55:03 but it cannot boot a kernel without flahing Jun 16 15:55:15 it cannot flash a PR 1.3 maemo image either Jun 16 15:55:25 (since that flashes the modem etc...) Jun 16 15:55:36 but it may work if you unpack the image Jun 16 15:55:41 and flash the pieces Jun 16 15:55:44 I didn't try Jun 16 15:55:54 I use 0xFFFF Jun 16 15:55:59 I don't use non-free software Jun 16 15:56:29 hmm,and about bootloaders,which one do you use? Jun 16 16:00:11 kexecboot Jun 16 16:00:16 but it's very slow Jun 16 16:00:23 1 minute 30 sec for booting Jun 16 16:00:26 instead of 30sec Jun 16 16:00:35 other people told me it was unacceptable Jun 16 16:00:39 and it's not in oe yet Jun 16 16:00:48 I compiled the kernel outside of oe Jun 16 16:01:01 and did a bitbake kexec-something-image Jun 16 16:07:16 hmm,ok thank you. I'll read a lot and choose the better one for me Jun 16 16:07:55 i'd like to use one that allows me to have Maemo and SHR,and choose what i'll boot Jun 16 16:08:12 for now the only one that has that is u-boot Jun 16 16:08:27 kexecboot is not even in oe yet Jun 16 16:08:32 I must try better Jun 16 16:08:39 to remove the 1 minute delay Jun 16 16:09:07 but I'm not sure that uboot currently works Jun 16 16:09:14 else you could do that: Jun 16 16:09:23 boot SHR with kexec Jun 16 16:09:28 and re-kexec mameo Jun 16 16:09:42 or fix kexecboot to be able to load maemo Jun 16 16:10:18 hmm,ok,thank you,i'll check it better when i get the phone. Thanks. Jun 16 18:15:23 heyho Jun 16 18:15:54 mickey|office: something you might be interested in: https://launchpad.net/smoke-gobject Jun 16 18:25:31 morphis, hi, leviathan already sent the device to me (it didn't arrive yet) Jun 16 18:26:43 GNUtoo: ah ok Jun 16 18:27:12 so I'll add basic support for it Jun 16 18:27:23 and then we'll see what to do Jun 16 18:27:31 if I can manage to make it work Jun 16 18:27:37 or if I've to send it to you Jun 16 18:27:49 (with basic support done, so you have some GUI on it etc...) Jun 16 18:27:55 ok Jun 16 18:28:10 I already thought about the rpc integration in msmcommd Jun 16 18:28:15 it needs quite some work Jun 16 18:28:19 ok Jun 16 18:28:24 a lot need to be modular Jun 16 18:28:34 we need different channel types as in fsogsmd Jun 16 18:28:39 ok Jun 16 18:28:57 I also think some samsung phones have msm modems Jun 16 18:29:03 so your msmcommd is very very handy Jun 16 18:29:43 mickey|daddy, I can boot in 1 min 8 sec with 2.6.39 for kexecboot, however it doesn't shut down properly in kexecboot Jun 16 18:29:48 *shutdown Jun 16 18:29:50 baah cmake drives me mad ... Jun 16 18:29:54 because it lacks some patches Jun 16 18:30:04 morphis, bjam is worse Jun 16 18:30:18 CMake is not that bad Jun 16 18:30:24 it's bad but not that bad Jun 16 18:31:00 I want to compile some utility which links against glib Jun 16 18:31:06 but cmake does not use pkgconfig Jun 16 18:31:09 yes the https://launchpad.net/smoke-gobject Jun 16 18:31:13 so it got the include directory wrong ... Jun 16 18:31:29 you've some options Jun 16 18:31:34 it misses the -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include Jun 16 18:31:39 CMake uses some files for finding stuff Jun 16 18:31:43 I know Jun 16 18:31:54 I worked with them for getting pyside working in OE Jun 16 18:32:02 option 1: delete theses files if there are newer such files in CMake itself Jun 16 18:32:18 option2: theses files have some variables....tweak the variables Jun 16 18:32:25 yes I can do that Jun 16 18:32:35 but it's not that relevant at the moment Jun 16 18:32:36 option3: patch theses files to make them behave normally Jun 16 18:33:03 I want it simply working Jun 16 18:33:08 and pkgconfig works and cmake does not Jun 16 18:33:13 ok Jun 16 18:33:27 some people might answer cmake is not that bad Jun 16 18:33:31 maybe make the files I was talking about call pkgconfig Jun 16 18:33:50 I said that there was worse build systems Jun 16 18:33:56 not that it was good Jun 16 18:34:03 yes Jun 16 18:34:15 I am very satisfied with automake :) Jun 16 18:34:16 I know a bit cmake, it's used in wesnoth Jun 16 18:34:27 and bjam is for boost which is a dependency of wesnoth Jun 16 18:38:53 ah ok Jun 16 18:39:59 * GNUtoo is into porting games to oe Jun 16 18:40:15 unfortunately the palm pre needs xrandr -o 1 for beeing able to play games Jun 16 18:43:50 I got commit access that way, porting games Jun 16 18:44:19 maybe frozen bubble tough Jun 16 18:44:23 or wordwarvi Jun 16 18:44:33 and pingus Jun 16 18:44:50 theses games could be playable on the pre Jun 16 18:45:15 btw big question: you have a very old kernel in the palm pre Jun 16 18:45:22 how do you handle udev and such Jun 16 18:45:29 you use a compat udev? Jun 16 18:45:34 I didn't see it in oe for the pre Jun 16 18:45:40 maybe you use mdev? Jun 16 18:46:34 specially with newer udev bump Jun 16 18:46:43 there are issues Jun 16 18:46:51 I've issues with my bug 1.x that has 2.6.27 Jun 16 18:46:55 you have 2.6.24 Jun 16 18:47:31 does it even still boots Jun 16 18:47:31 ? Jun 16 18:52:28 morphis, does the pre still boot with lastest oe.dev? Jun 16 18:52:38 or does it hang during the boot Jun 16 18:53:19 GNUtoo: it boots Jun 16 18:53:25 and we are using udev-compat Jun 16 18:53:29 which works fine Jun 16 18:53:31 ah ok Jun 16 18:53:34 old udev compat then Jun 16 18:53:37 for 2.6.24 Jun 16 18:53:43 I'll look Jun 16 18:55:40 thanks a lot for that info Jun 16 18:57:45 PREFERRED_PROVIDER_udev-compat = "udev-compat141" <- nobody was able to tell me where to put that, now I know (in machine config) Jun 16 18:58:11 :) Jun 16 18:58:28 it even tooks me quite some time to figure this out :) Jun 16 18:58:45 the problem was not to get it working Jun 16 18:58:49 it was how to do it right Jun 16 19:00:07 isn't there some documentation in the compat recipe itself? Jun 16 19:00:26 I think I looked for the other machines which are using udev-compat too Jun 16 19:00:34 zaurus Jun 16 19:00:58 the rest is pretty straingtforward Jun 16 19:01:09 (adding compat to a recipe) Jun 16 19:01:17 *udev recipe Jun 16 19:01:26 it was just where to put the preferred provider Jun 16 19:01:37 like for instance in machine.conf like that Jun 16 19:01:41 in the recipe itself Jun 16 19:01:51 or even in the distro with a machine override Jun 16 19:04:30 :) Jun 16 19:04:43 I am even thinking about getting devtmpfs back for the palm pre Jun 16 19:05:43 yes that would be great Jun 16 19:05:49 altough get serial on the palm pre Jun 16 19:05:51 it's needed Jun 16 19:06:08 I also ported the overclocking patches from webos-internals Jun 16 19:06:17 yes I saw that Jun 16 19:06:17 so we have the pre now running at 1Ghz Jun 16 19:06:22 if we want Jun 16 19:06:23 is it safe? Jun 16 19:06:29 it depends Jun 16 19:06:35 Palm says it isn't Jun 16 19:06:36 because DocScrutinizer told it was not safe for n900 Jun 16 19:06:45 but many people are doing it Jun 16 19:06:57 and I didn't know about anybody you complains about a broken device Jun 16 19:07:05 (maemo power has overclocking from 600Mhz to 1.2GHz!!! ) Jun 16 19:07:12 *power kernel Jun 16 19:07:16 ah Jun 16 19:07:31 the webos-internals guys did a lot of work to make as safe as possible Jun 16 19:07:52 webos uses linux ? Jun 16 19:08:05 (noobs question) Jun 16 19:08:20 with measuring the temperature and when it get's too hot they powering down the cpu Jun 16 19:08:37 captainigloo: yes and it a better way than android will ever do Jun 16 19:08:45 :) Jun 16 19:09:01 ~omap-oc Jun 16 19:09:02 rumour has it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Jun 16 19:09:12 it's not really a challenge to do better than android :P Jun 16 19:09:31 captainigloo: hehe Jun 16 19:10:14 captainigloo, it's based on an openembedded GNU/Linux with no Xorg(directfb instead) and a proprietary GUI Jun 16 19:10:20 and btw N900 CPU die tempsensor has a silicon bug Jun 16 19:10:32 GNUtoo: with oe ? really ? Jun 16 19:10:57 i was only aware that the Gui was using javascript and rendering was done by webkit Jun 16 19:11:09 captainigloo: not the whole ui is done with webkit Jun 16 19:11:12 mostly the apps Jun 16 19:11:26 ah ok, i see why it's so fast Jun 16 19:11:27 but they are not using directfb in newer versions any more Jun 16 19:11:37 at least desktop switch Jun 16 19:11:44 they have their own canvas library Jun 16 19:11:45 and whole desktop Jun 16 19:12:06 btw did you try latest elfe changes ? Jun 16 19:12:27 note that I overclocked my n900 by error Jun 16 19:12:31 i like the palm windows switch Jun 16 19:12:36 to 1.2GHz Jun 16 19:12:36 i would like to do the same in elfe Jun 16 19:12:51 but we need compositing Jun 16 19:12:54 I tough the speed improvements were because of newer linaro gcc Jun 16 19:12:55 captainigloo: no I didn't had the time Jun 16 19:13:20 it's why i cook a litle video Jun 16 19:13:22 captainigloo: and for compositing we accelerated graphics Jun 16 19:13:28 captainigloo, maybe I could get compositing on n900 Jun 16 19:13:30 which isn't possible atm Jun 16 19:13:40 morphis, not necessarly Jun 16 19:13:49 morphis,you don't need 3d for compositing Jun 16 19:13:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATne4aBeDE0 Jun 16 19:14:02 but you need 24/32bit framebuffer Jun 16 19:14:19 GNUtoo: software compositing should be enough Jun 16 19:14:24 and an xorg driver that can be 24/32bit(xf86-video-omapfb) can Jun 16 19:14:35 GNUtoo: fbdev can Jun 16 19:14:39 ah nice Jun 16 19:14:46 i'm running it on my htc desire Jun 16 19:14:50 but Jun 16 19:14:51 I must look on all my devices then Jun 16 19:15:11 e17 software compositing complains about something (SHM) Jun 16 19:15:23 and desn't work Jun 16 19:15:26 news elfe version looks great Jun 16 19:15:34 s/news/new/ Jun 16 19:15:34 morphis meant: new elfe version looks great Jun 16 19:15:52 captainigloo, just be sure that xorg has SHM then Jun 16 19:15:56 captainigloo: is software compositing fast? Jun 16 19:16:03 morphis, under efl yes Jun 16 19:16:09 ok Jun 16 19:16:15 under QT, sloowwwww Jun 16 19:16:18 :) Jun 16 19:16:21 morphis you loose something like 10% of perfs on desktop Jun 16 19:16:29 10-20% Jun 16 19:16:51 but you don't have all the time a transparent background or so Jun 16 19:17:04 i use it on a beaglboard with 1GHz CPU Jun 16 19:17:08 and it's not so bad Jun 16 19:17:17 without gles drivers Jun 16 19:17:26 and with a 720p screen Jun 16 19:17:46 so i guess it should better on a 480x800 screen Jun 16 19:18:05 but i guess you should have omapfb and sgx drivers on palm pre ? Jun 16 19:18:30 that would make me stay away from the palm pre Jun 16 19:18:45 btw guys, the last version of elfe shoudl use new API of EFL Jun 16 19:18:52 ah? Jun 16 19:18:54 i did not try to build it with 1.0 Jun 16 19:19:00 JaMa is offline for a long period Jun 16 19:19:04 maybe it will work Jun 16 19:19:13 but i'm not sure Jun 16 19:19:19 ok I'll try Jun 16 19:19:21 ok Jun 16 19:19:33 captainigloo: sgx is possible but tricky Jun 16 19:19:33 a Jun 16 19:19:42 we can't use the latest version Jun 16 19:19:51 so we have to fix that or use the version palm uses Jun 16 19:19:55 with their binaries Jun 16 19:20:13 but palm doesn't use a TI OMAP3 ? Jun 16 19:20:15 which means that you are not compatible anymore with oe? Jun 16 19:20:16 35xx ? Jun 16 19:20:26 for instance different libs Jun 16 19:20:48 for instance if it uses a libfoo.so.1 and there is libfoo.so.2 in oe? Jun 16 19:20:49 GNUtoo: i try it with angstrom and meta-efl of oe-core Jun 16 19:21:04 * GNUtoo is against using the SGX Jun 16 19:21:04 GNUtoo: yes Jun 16 19:21:07 ok Jun 16 19:21:23 captainigloo: yes it is a omap3 but we only have a very old kernel (2.6.24) Jun 16 19:21:33 ah ok Jun 16 19:21:59 fragmentation of ARM platforms is really a pain Jun 16 19:22:11 devicetree? Jun 16 19:22:12 yes Jun 16 19:22:17 devicetree? Jun 16 19:22:30 yes like for powerpc Jun 16 19:22:34 there was a discussion on taht Jun 16 19:22:38 for newer mach-* Jun 16 19:22:41 in the kenrel Jun 16 19:22:57 that would make 1 kernel support many many devices Jun 16 19:23:00 1 kernel image Jun 16 19:23:14 for instance if you have mainline support for your kenrel Jun 16 19:23:20 you build it for all arm devices Jun 16 19:23:34 and you could make ubuntu work with them for instance Jun 16 19:23:36 easily Jun 16 19:23:38 or debian Jun 16 19:24:30 i will try to do a pof of the window selector Jun 16 19:24:32 sounds nice Jun 16 19:24:37 captainigloo: do that Jun 16 19:24:43 for instance that kernel could boot on htcdream,nexusone and palmpre,n900 Jun 16 19:25:27 s/htcdream// Jun 16 19:30:58 I thinking about using aurora later together with elfe as window system Jun 16 19:36:31 ok Jun 16 19:37:41 as we have still the problem of time and man power Jun 16 19:38:02 I have an alternative approach to that: Jun 16 19:38:11 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Device%20Porting%20Guide Jun 16 19:45:44 but aurora might turn into something nicer if it uses the efl launcher Jun 16 19:46:38 I'm thinking of something for n900 Jun 16 19:46:47 there is an eMMC Jun 16 19:46:55 that eMMC is vfat Jun 16 19:47:01 let's put a boot.cfg there Jun 16 19:47:10 along with maemo's kernel Jun 16 19:48:18 GNUtoo: aurora is the way to get a simple distribution/UI driven by FSO development Jun 16 19:48:32 keywords are "simple" and "driven" Jun 16 19:49:01 mickey|daddy: you saw my link for smoke-gobject? Jun 16 19:49:19 in other words: replace zhone Jun 16 19:49:23 *zhone2 Jun 16 19:49:28 yes Jun 16 19:49:36 but with a more dynamic approach Jun 16 19:49:43 thats why we choose qt and qml Jun 16 19:50:15 I am even not 100% ok with qt/qml running on the device Jun 16 19:50:19 it's not that fast Jun 16 19:50:22 ~ping Jun 16 19:50:22 ~pong Jun 16 19:57:24 GNUtoo: does the xorg driver for the omapfb have something plain framebuffer doesn't have? Jun 16 19:57:32 does it some tricks to gain more speed? Jun 16 19:57:35 yes it does Jun 16 19:57:38 it even has XV Jun 16 19:58:05 morphis: you got the baseline of OCing downside? Jun 16 19:58:06 XV is up to the screen resolution tough Jun 16 19:58:21 maybe DocScrutinizer would know more Jun 16 19:58:53 DocScrutinizer: OCing downside? Jun 16 19:59:10 why *not* to overclock Jun 16 19:59:14 ~omap-oc Jun 16 19:59:14 i guess omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 Jun 16 20:01:20 morphis: NB electromigration is what kills the silicon, and it's not a mre ovrhating effect Jun 16 20:01:30 DocScrutinizer: yes thats what you has to accept when you do overclocking Jun 16 20:01:52 * GNUtoo fears the consequences of his overclocking Jun 16 20:01:52 s/has/have/ Jun 16 20:01:52 morphis meant: DocScrutinizer: yes thats what you have to accept when you do overclocking Jun 16 20:02:13 I overclocked maybe one or two weeks Jun 16 20:02:31 and n900 are difficult to get again new Jun 16 20:02:34 :nod: On 500->600MHz is takeoff for the SoC we use in N900 Jun 16 20:03:02 (I overclocked by accident to 1.2GHz) Jun 16 20:03:14 it was during the switch to power kernel Jun 16 20:03:36 when mrmoku switched to that we automatically got our n900 overclocked Jun 16 20:04:08 (maybe it was not mrmoku that switched to that but I can see no one else that would have done it) Jun 16 20:06:13 I am using a overclocked kernel on my palm pre for a long time now Jun 16 20:06:45 ouch Jun 16 20:06:52 Does some one has aclue for this parse bitebake error.. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=y2UZuk8Z Jun 16 20:06:54 overclocked to what freq? Jun 16 20:07:06 morphis: I put a bit more Jun 16 20:07:34 GarthPS, quick fix: rm qmake2_2.10a.bb Jun 16 20:09:05 GNUtoo: 800Mhz Jun 16 20:09:26 but put down to 500Mhz when screen is off Jun 16 20:09:28 GNUtoo: I did this on all reciepes thenh ? :) Jun 16 20:09:30 ok Jun 16 20:09:40 now it is /SHR-Build/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/zlib/zlib_1.2.3.bb Jun 16 20:09:40 GarthPS, no Jun 16 20:09:42 :p Jun 16 20:09:44 ah ok Jun 16 20:09:50 then restore the last recipe Jun 16 20:09:54 and update bitbake Jun 16 20:10:04 or downgrade it Jun 16 20:10:09 GNUtoo: how do I update bitebake ?* Jun 16 20:10:11 to the last known working version Jun 16 20:10:24 git reflog will give you the last working version Jun 16 20:10:37 bitbake is under git revision control Jun 16 20:10:43 GNUtoo: well my buil is using on it has downloaded.. Jun 16 20:10:55 yes Jun 16 20:15:56 GNUtoo:$ bitbake --version Jun 16 20:15:57 BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.13.1, bitbake version 1.13.1 Jun 16 20:17:25 00403c4d5a05b9188df303b08fa8e1e58efd27b0 Jun 16 20:17:30 that's what I have Jun 16 20:17:35 describe your setup please Jun 16 20:17:45 BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.13.0, bitbake version 1.13.0 Jun 16 20:17:50 is what it gives Jun 16 20:19:14 GNUtoo: I use the SHR Makefile to build for the palmpre2 . don't know what to say Jun 16 20:19:33 ok Jun 16 20:19:35 because : Jun 16 20:19:41 * I don't know the SHR Makefile Jun 16 20:19:51 * I use a manual setup Jun 16 20:20:00 * JaMa is offline for a long period of time Jun 16 20:20:28 GNUtoo: where is he gone ? Jun 16 20:20:38 work and then hollidays Jun 16 20:20:59 btw you got a palm pre right? Jun 16 20:21:07 GNUtoo: ok. yes a pre2 Jun 16 20:21:17 ok, does it need any non-free tools? Jun 16 20:21:50 GNUtoo: like ? non-free kernel module ? Jun 16 20:22:11 like non-free novacom Jun 16 20:22:20 developers running overclocked devices has a huge downside: they don't properly feel performance issues that way... Jun 16 20:24:53 GNUtoo: ho . eu yes and no. The first time I had my pre2 I had to use an opensource version of novacom done by webos internal because thone provided by palm was not yet updated to support my device.... :/ Jun 16 20:25:20 ok Jun 16 20:25:24 and did it work well? Jun 16 20:27:24 GNUtoo: yep it did the trick but I am not sure that is full featured Jun 16 20:27:25 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/precom-progs.git;a=summary Jun 16 20:27:31 ask them for this Jun 16 20:27:44 because for now I use the proprio one from hp Jun 16 20:28:08 GNUtoo: why that question ? Jun 16 20:28:31 ok Jun 16 20:28:43 because I don't want to install non-free tools on my laptop Jun 16 20:41:05 GNUtoo: where is the kernel source for the htc dream? Jun 16 20:41:35 it has the smd log driver Jun 16 20:41:40 it's on gitorious Jun 16 20:41:45 linux-leviathan in oe Jun 16 20:41:58 that one http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32? Jun 16 20:42:29 https://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming/commits/android-msm-2.6.32-rebase Jun 16 20:43:22 is the rpc stuff used on the htc dream as layer below the AT one? Jun 16 20:43:34 yes Jun 16 20:46:15 GNUtoo: do you have an idea of how I downgrade bitbake ? Jun 16 20:46:38 OE palmpre2@shr ~/dev/SHR-Build/shr-unstable/bitbake $ git reflog Jun 16 20:46:38 d97f7d7 HEAD@{0}: checkout: moving from master to master Jun 16 20:46:38 d97f7d7 HEAD@{1}: checkout: moving from master to master Jun 16 20:46:38 d97f7d7 HEAD@{2}: checkout: moving from master to master Jun 16 20:46:38 d97f7d7 HEAD@{3}: checkout: moving from master to master Jun 16 20:46:39 d97f7d7 HEAD@{4}: checkout: moving from master to master Jun 16 20:46:41 d97f7d7 HEAD@{5}: clone: from git://git.openembedded.net/bitbake Jun 16 20:48:04 for me gitreflog gives a different revision Jun 16 20:48:08 for instance Jun 16 20:48:16 here the revision is always d97f7d7 Jun 16 20:48:27 so maybe it's not git Jun 16 20:48:32 too bad JaMa is not there Jun 16 20:49:13 *yawn* Jun 16 20:49:22 good evening folks Jun 16 20:50:03 hi Jun 16 20:50:09 mickey|daddy: heyho Jun 16 20:50:37 mickey|daddy: hello the bear Jun 16 20:50:51 GarthPS: did you actually ever use an older revision from this checkout? Jun 16 20:55:41 antrik: I don't know as my build is choosing it self to use its bitebake version Jun 16 20:56:02 befiore i think remember that It used the version installed on my system.. Jun 16 20:56:33 GarthPS: the reflog looks like it checked out the same revision a couple of times, but never a different one Jun 16 20:57:22 antrik: yes , perhaps when I did a make update Jun 16 20:58:33 interesting.... Jun 16 20:58:42 the kernel-power boots in seconds Jun 16 20:58:45 with kexec Jun 16 21:01:07 nice. did you fix the 'needs minutes' problem? Jun 16 21:01:15 not yet Jun 16 21:01:26 but if I do Jun 16 21:01:32 kexec would be soo nice Jun 16 21:01:37 it has better microsd support Jun 16 21:01:40 power off support Jun 16 21:01:47 touchscreen support Jun 16 21:01:51 can boot maemo too Jun 16 21:01:57 (I just did) Jun 16 21:02:04 * GarthPS dropping his bitbake issue.. will not buit linux-palmpre this evening.. grrrr Jun 16 21:02:25 altough booting maemo needs some "preparation" Jun 16 21:02:33 that is to say add a boot.cfg Jun 16 21:02:39 and copy the kernel Jun 16 21:02:46 inside the eMMC Jun 16 21:04:32 it can also handle the automatic detection of devices Jun 16 21:04:50 for instance it detects SHR almost automatically Jun 16 21:05:29 cool Jun 16 21:05:52 you bitbake the image Jun 16 21:06:00 the image got a config put on it automatically Jun 16 21:06:08 you extract that image Jun 16 21:06:12 on a microsd Jun 16 21:06:15 if the microsd is in Jun 16 21:06:19 SHR appears Jun 16 21:06:23 if not it doesn't appear Jun 16 21:06:26 only maemo will Jun 16 21:06:48 it's so nice that it's worth fixing the 1 minute issue if possible Jun 16 21:09:33 yeah, sounds really good Jun 16 21:13:51 if it's not possible I'll let the user choose Jun 16 21:14:02 I've already made a wiki page documenting the n900 boot possibilities Jun 16 21:14:16 it lack documentation about 0xFFFF and flasher tough Jun 16 21:15:22 mickey|daddy: you looked at this: https://launchpad.net/smoke-gobject Jun 16 21:16:09 oh oh oh! Jun 16 21:16:14 no, i didn't see that Jun 16 21:16:55 :) Jun 16 21:17:03 it's in early stages Jun 16 21:17:12 but it is under active development Jun 16 21:17:29 excellent. that may be what we have been waiting for Jun 16 21:17:34 :) Jun 16 21:28:36 time to dump Python again?... ;-) Jun 16 21:28:51 antrik: that was the plan anyway Jun 16 21:28:56 :) Jun 16 21:29:14 using python was just a interim solution until we have the qt-gobject thing Jun 16 21:29:44 yeah, I know Jun 16 21:30:20 though I can't say that I like this constant technology jumping... Jun 16 23:48:15 GNUtoo: still around ? Jun 16 23:48:47 yes Jun 16 23:50:35 so you are waiting for leviathanphone :) ? Jun 16 23:50:40 yes Jun 16 23:50:49 maybe it already arrived Jun 16 23:50:57 but it's too late to go and pick it up the night Jun 16 23:51:54 jeez, leviathan is working on a RepRap. I still remember this magic device from fosdem2010 Jun 16 23:52:07 awesome project Jun 16 23:52:11 indeed Jun 16 23:52:24 maybe one day I'll work on something magic too Jun 16 23:52:30 not reprap tough Jun 16 23:52:38 but rather....USRP Jun 16 23:52:49 it's not cheap at all tough Jun 16 23:52:50 USRP is exciting as well Jun 16 23:52:55 yes I have seen the pricing Jun 16 23:53:00 and I would need to buy a test license with it Jun 16 23:53:12 ssshhhh :) Jun 16 23:53:23 ? Jun 16 23:53:28 what license ? Jun 16 23:53:39 mickey|daddy: my best congrats :) Jun 16 23:53:44 it's like some hundread euros per year Jun 16 23:53:55 it's for permitting you to emmit in the GSM band Jun 16 23:53:59 for testing purposes Jun 16 23:54:10 ah ok and you can't like buy the device just for putting it in your drawer ? Jun 16 23:54:31 it's not for buying it Jun 16 23:54:40 it's for staying legal while using it Jun 16 23:54:44 so I do not go to jail Jun 16 23:55:10 ah I understand Jun 16 23:55:34 but I'm not there yet Jun 16 23:55:36 iirc you can build the RepRap for 500 Euros Jun 16 23:55:51 we have still some work to do on phones main CPU before that Jun 16 23:56:00 but since the USRP is not cheap at all Jun 16 23:56:13 I bet this assumes you don't fail at electronics and will need to buy plenty of parts twice or more Jun 16 23:56:17 I need to think about it in advance Jun 16 23:56:23 to save money for a long period Jun 16 23:56:39 I'm a newbie at electronics Jun 16 23:56:45 I know soldering Jun 16 23:56:48 OpenBTS is exciting as well Jun 16 23:56:51 I know how to make circuits Jun 16 23:56:55 but that's all Jun 16 23:57:03 my design skills are almost none Jun 16 23:57:05 if you get the license, also buy one of the base stations LaF0rge supports via openbts Jun 16 23:57:17 that Jun 16 23:57:19 oops Jun 16 23:57:31 that's too expensive for me Jun 16 23:57:54 http://twitter.com/#!/LaF0rge Jun 16 23:57:55 USRP1 is like 700E (you need to add the antenna, dautherboard etc...) Jun 16 23:58:03 LaF0rge Harald Welte Jun 16 23:58:03 two motorola horizon macro #bts have just arrived yesterday (100kg each). Let's see how hard it is to support them from #openbsc Jun 16 23:58:19 I bet he's got like 2 tons of base station now :D Jun 16 23:58:20 newer usrp costs like 2000E/3000E with all included Jun 16 23:58:23 but.... Jun 16 23:58:32 BTS costs a lot more Jun 16 23:58:51 like tens thousands of euros Jun 16 23:59:08 and why buy one when you can have an USRP? Jun 16 23:59:57 I have seen somebody with a mobile base station & openbts on it wardriving Jun 17 00:00:00 :) Jun 17 00:00:04 lol Jun 17 00:00:06 well harald once posted some pic Jun 17 00:00:10 how did he power it? Jun 17 00:00:17 with a huge beast in the back of the car Jun 17 00:00:24 don't recall Jun 17 00:00:32 I will see if I can find it Jun 17 00:01:15 ah it's openbsc not openbts, sorry. Jun 17 00:01:43 yes I didn't pay attention and understood openbsc Jun 17 00:01:58 since openBTS is for making a BTS Jun 17 00:01:58 with an USRP Jun 17 00:04:27 http://blog.koehntopp.de/archives/2516-Wardriving-fuer-Maenner.html voila Jun 17 00:05:01 UPS with 4 * 200Ah batteries Jun 17 00:05:52 and here is the laforge post http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/06/23/ Jun 17 00:06:07 summarizes it Jun 17 00:07:55 lol Jun 17 00:08:25 :) Jun 17 00:08:38 I have not followed the mailing list and irc log in the last week Jun 17 00:08:53 last time we talked, you were doing some nexus stuff Jun 17 00:09:09 yes Jun 17 00:09:18 that's in oe now, minimal support for it is there Jun 17 00:09:24 I did a porting guide for it too Jun 17 00:09:31 note that it's ultra minimal Jun 17 00:09:40 ok Jun 17 00:09:51 I will se if I can contribute to the guide Jun 17 00:10:17 ok nice Jun 17 00:10:40 ah I have seen the mail regarding bravo Jun 17 00:10:55 yes I guess we discouraged the porter Jun 17 00:10:55 very nice Jun 17 00:11:02 that suchs Jun 17 00:11:05 sucks Jun 17 00:11:11 why do you think that ? Jun 17 00:11:17 first everybody was offline Jun 17 00:11:23 mrmoku and JaMa Jun 17 00:11:31 so I responded but very late Jun 17 00:11:39 and asked to git commit the changes Jun 17 00:11:47 instead of just git diff Jun 17 00:11:54 and I didn't eared of the porter again Jun 17 00:12:06 just push it using his irc nick. Jun 17 00:12:13 he might just be busy Jun 17 00:12:26 or email, you have that as well.. Jun 17 00:12:35 we responded to him on the ml Jun 17 00:12:40 asking him to git commit Jun 17 00:12:46 you just said that Jun 17 00:12:53 or email, you have that as well.. Jun 17 00:13:04 mailing list send to his mailbox Jun 17 00:13:12 sorry, I mean it like: use his email for commit log Jun 17 00:13:13 so that's why I re-said that Jun 17 00:13:17 ahh ok Jun 17 00:13:21 my bad Jun 17 00:14:11 maybe he would just be happy if he can git pull and compile for his device from clean git :-) Jun 17 00:14:23 then we are in sync with three qsd8250. Jun 17 00:14:26 in oe Jun 17 00:15:03 I doubt you scared him away. bet he's just busy with non-shr/oe stuff Jun 17 00:15:10 ok Jun 17 00:16:02 regarding qsd8250, did we have a solution for the asound.rc ? Jun 17 00:16:12 yes Jun 17 00:16:17 I didn't publish it yet Jun 17 00:16:27 let me show it to you Jun 17 00:17:09 cool! Jun 17 00:17:10 first you need a dymmy kernel sound card Jun 17 00:17:18 add that to your defconfig Jun 17 00:17:30 well since we have the defconfigs in OE .... Jun 17 00:17:31 :) Jun 17 00:17:46 yes, so add that in oe defconfig Jun 17 00:17:53 will do Jun 17 00:17:57 then let me find the asoundrc Jun 17 00:18:15 and where do you install the asoundrc for all qsd8250 ? Jun 17 00:18:22 .asoundrc for now Jun 17 00:18:23 on which oe level Jun 17 00:18:43 ideally it should go in fsoaudiod Jun 17 00:18:53 then let's put them there Jun 17 00:19:16 arrrg my usb is broken Jun 17 00:19:22 I vote for /etc/asound.conf rather than ~/.asoundrc (user independent) Jun 17 00:19:24 and it doesn't want to mount my microsd Jun 17 00:19:32 dcordes_, let me explain Jun 17 00:19:37 .asoundrc is user dependant Jun 17 00:19:56 if you want to integrate it correctly Jun 17 00:19:57 I recently booted an hd2 ubuntu image in the library and I forgot I had /etc/asound.conf :D Jun 17 00:20:03 and I received a text message Jun 17 00:20:07 puting in /etc/asound.conf in oe won't work Jun 17 00:20:16 via the gtk ofono client. and it beebed so freaking loud Jun 17 00:20:19 lol Jun 17 00:20:37 since fsoaudiod overrite it Jun 17 00:20:41 in /etc/asound.conf in oe won't work <- why ? Jun 17 00:20:43 ah ok Jun 17 00:20:55 so can we put /etc/asound.conf in fsoaudiod ? Jun 17 00:20:58 opkg search /etc/asound.conf gives only fsoaudiod Jun 17 00:21:02 yes Jun 17 00:21:32 [45485.012018] ehci_hcd 0000:00:12.2: force halt; handshake f8040824 0000c000 00000000 -> -110 Jun 17 00:21:35 cool so the package will receive a postinstall_ ? Jun 17 00:21:53 no I think it's rather a provider thing Jun 17 00:21:56 ok Jun 17 00:22:04 PREFERRED_PROVIDER asoundrc = fsoaudiod Jun 17 00:22:08 or something like that Jun 17 00:23:07 RCONFLICTS_${PN} = "alsa-state" Jun 17 00:23:12 ah finally the microsd appeared Jun 17 00:23:27 ok so to conclude: for working audio in shr in qsd8250 (nexus, leo, bravo) we need to: add /etc/asound.conf via fsoaudiod and enable the dummy kernel sound card config for all (three) targeted machines Jun 17 00:23:48 http://pastie.org/2080297 Jun 17 00:23:51 put that in a wiki Jun 17 00:24:04 ok Jun 17 00:24:05 you need more Jun 17 00:24:14 1) asound.conf from fsoaudiod Jun 17 00:24:22 you must be able to override it Jun 17 00:24:27 morphis will know more Jun 17 00:24:37 and he's interested in qsd Jun 17 00:24:42 since the newer palm are qsd Jun 17 00:24:43 ok good Jun 17 00:24:58 2) dummy sound card in kernel Jun 17 00:25:15 3) integrate the call routing program in fsoaudiod Jun 17 00:25:33 4) write an alsa plugin for userspace routing Jun 17 00:25:38 (not during calls) Jun 17 00:25:42 or Jun 17 00:25:59 4.bis) write an fsoaudiod plugin for routing in userspace Jun 17 00:26:19 4 is hard Jun 17 00:26:21 ok maybe we can see it in two isolated main steps: A) general audio B) general audio plus call handling integration Jun 17 00:26:24 4 bis is easier Jun 17 00:26:30 yes Jun 17 00:26:38 so maybe we can do A) right now Jun 17 00:26:47 see if we can all test it on leo nexus bravo Jun 17 00:26:50 and then move on Jun 17 00:26:51 you need morphis's help Jun 17 00:27:01 or my help if I can find the time Jun 17 00:27:08 he is the fsoaudiod recipe maintainer ? Jun 17 00:27:19 I put it on the mailing list. nobody would reply Jun 17 00:27:36 what was the thread name? Jun 17 00:27:37 which is why I'm back discussing things on irc where information gets lost easily Jun 17 00:27:45 he wrote fsoaudiod Jun 17 00:28:02 custom /etc/asound.conf Jun 17 00:28:03 but....beware Jun 17 00:28:06 is the thread name Jun 17 00:28:10 ok Jun 17 00:28:11 fsoaudio api will surely change Jun 17 00:28:15 ask DocScrutinizer about it Jun 17 00:28:19 mrmoku|italy, was working on it Jun 17 00:28:33 basically the scenario handling of fsodeviced is plain wrong Jun 17 00:29:03 s/will surely/could possibly/ Jun 17 00:30:32 this is about writing a config file machine specifically Jun 17 00:30:38 let's not make it so big Jun 17 00:30:50 I put it in htc-linux wiki for now Jun 17 00:30:54 ok Jun 17 00:31:28 btw, is your gps floss on android for hd2? Jun 17 00:31:38 because for nexus it is Jun 17 00:31:42 and with the help of: Jun 17 00:31:43 *chroot Jun 17 00:31:49 *gpstest Jun 17 00:31:54 I can make it output NMEA Jun 17 00:32:04 is the mechanism documented / in OE / .. ? Jun 17 00:32:09 no, Jun 17 00:32:14 I would like to try the nexus mechanism, Jun 17 00:32:47 mecanism? Jun 17 00:32:50 which mecanism? Jun 17 00:33:54 for GPS: http://pastie.org/2080311 Jun 17 00:34:01 gpstest is an android program Jun 17 00:34:04 lol Jun 17 00:34:07 it's in android itself Jun 17 00:34:13 so what should be done instead is Jun 17 00:34:20 like for htcdream: Jun 17 00:34:25 take the gps library Jun 17 00:34:28 nice PoC but will anybody want a dirty android rootfs in shr device ? Jun 17 00:34:30 and gnu-ify it Jun 17 00:34:36 aha ok Jun 17 00:34:43 like autotoolize it Jun 17 00:34:49 and make it use the dream's rpc lib Jun 17 00:35:15 btw, yes the use case is valid Jun 17 00:35:22 usually people install on microsd Jun 17 00:35:30 and leave the android intact Jun 17 00:35:50 for instance in oe I've a nice thing for nexusone: Jun 17 00:36:01 I'm able to flash the zImage.fastboot on recovery Jun 17 00:36:06 so I boot in the bootloader Jun 17 00:36:10 switch to recovery Jun 17 00:36:13 and SHR boots Jun 17 00:36:19 ah yes. I know about this. they are very lazy and tend to not be willing to screw the main OS. this is why I created that wiki page with easy rootfs.img Jun 17 00:36:20 without the need of a computer Jun 17 00:36:40 GNUtoo: that's awesome! Jun 17 00:36:44 anyway for now not a lot of things are working Jun 17 00:36:49 very nice Jun 17 00:36:57 does OE output that ? Jun 17 00:37:01 yes Jun 17 00:37:09 the secret sauce was: Jun 17 00:37:09 cool so you taught it how to use fastboot :) ? Jun 17 00:37:22 yes, a long time ago Jun 17 00:37:25 it's not perfect Jun 17 00:37:33 because it doesn't simlink it Jun 17 00:37:35 but still Jun 17 00:37:45 look at linux-leviathan Jun 17 00:37:49 and at linux-nexusone Jun 17 00:38:36 basically mickeyl autotoolized mkbootimg and fastboot Jun 17 00:38:46 for the htcdream Jun 17 00:39:08 the important thing in linux-nexusone is that: Jun 17 00:39:09 --base 0x20000000 \ Jun 17 00:39:13 without that it won't work Jun 17 00:39:29 so for qsd8250 after we done that A) thing with the /etc/asound.conf (hopefully via morphis' help) plus defconfigs Jun 17 00:39:39 then plan B) routing Jun 17 00:39:45 yes Jun 17 00:39:49 and C) gps: gnuify the android stuff Jun 17 00:39:58 that could be hard Jun 17 00:40:04 I just need to put it in a scheme so I can memorize it ;) Jun 17 00:40:05 I usually fix autotools stuff Jun 17 00:40:09 I do not create them Jun 17 00:40:23 put your toughts on htc-linux wiki then Jun 17 00:40:28 in a TODO list Jun 17 00:40:38 good idea I have one already Jun 17 00:41:03 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/Nexusone/TODO Jun 17 00:41:53 GNUtoo: nice. do you think you can add the bravo patch (although it is not the perfect format) ? Jun 17 00:42:03 I must ask Jun 17 00:42:07 GNUtoo: then we could more easily cooperate across the three devices Jun 17 00:42:14 as we start the improvements Jun 17 00:42:21 the problem is that it lacks signed-off-by Jun 17 00:42:29 I've to ask mickeyl about that Jun 17 00:42:51 signed-off is a certificate of legality Jun 17 00:43:11 my personal opinion: we know from the author that it works on the device and since (I assume) it is solely device dependent, it won't break anything else Jun 17 00:43:12 it means that you did it yourself, or that you are allowed to publish the work Jun 17 00:43:23 ok Jun 17 00:43:26 yes good idea Jun 17 00:43:34 maybe you could work on it Jun 17 00:43:35 well if he wouldn't want us to publish it he wouldn#t put it on the list Jun 17 00:43:41 and resend the patches? Jun 17 00:43:45 I could yes Jun 17 00:44:05 if I find a few minutes. I'm very involved with unviersity stuff recently Jun 17 00:44:07 do you have fso commit access? Jun 17 00:44:13 ok Jun 17 00:44:19 no I thought it is org.oe.dev matter Jun 17 00:44:24 personally I've less time with more devices Jun 17 00:44:37 no, what he sent is fso Jun 17 00:44:42 ah ok Jun 17 00:44:49 imagine you have a device Jun 17 00:44:57 then we should really talk to mickey|daddy , don't see a problem Jun 17 00:44:57 which is not supported anywhere Jun 17 00:45:00 you build with oe Jun 17 00:45:07 you modify oe Jun 17 00:45:09 you rebuild Jun 17 00:45:11 etc... Jun 17 00:45:20 but how to integrate your fso configs in your image Jun 17 00:45:26 iirc, mickey has always been eager to help adding new machines Jun 17 00:45:27 you can't if you don't push them to fso Jun 17 00:45:40 so step 1 Jun 17 00:45:46 integrate machine configs in fso Jun 17 00:45:52 I think we should all be easy about these things, reagarding new people on board and new devices being added. cause that's what makes this project so nice Jun 17 00:45:52 it's not clear in the porting guide I wrote Jun 17 00:45:56 flexibility Jun 17 00:47:28 yes but with android specific devices it's kind of hard Jun 17 00:47:41 because usually userspaces programs expect standard interfaces Jun 17 00:47:44 for instance iliwi Jun 17 00:47:53 it expect standard WEXT Jun 17 00:47:53 I know that dance Jun 17 00:48:01 yes yes I know it too well Jun 17 00:48:12 same for n900, we will have GPS issues Jun 17 00:48:36 altough you're lucky to have: Jun 17 00:48:39 I bet webos on qsd8* will be all the same cause they are f* lazy :) Jun 17 00:48:48 *working wifi with iwlist eth0 scan working Jun 17 00:48:59 custom amss? no money, no interest :) Jun 17 00:49:04 *working bluetooth Jun 17 00:49:11 ah ok Jun 17 00:49:22 that would be the worse Jun 17 00:49:22 bluetooth is easy: it's on linxutogo mobile-discuss ML Jun 17 00:49:26 and htcl wiki Jun 17 00:49:42 the best would be bad drivers or workarrounds, that are applicable more broadly Jun 17 00:49:55 yes but it need patched hcisomething Jun 17 00:50:05 I guess the patch is not in oe Jun 17 00:50:22 http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ubuntu/Leo/Bluetooth tadaaa Jun 17 00:50:40 here is all you need for bcm4329 non-android wifi :) Jun 17 00:51:05 the main page could be made Leo/GNU instead of Ubuntu/Leo :) Jun 17 00:51:17 it holds lots of interesting non-andorid on qsd things Jun 17 00:51:35 I have to go to bed now GNUtoo was nice to talk through all these qsd affairs :) Jun 17 00:51:51 I'm still so happy you made the audio happen Jun 17 00:51:53 brcm_patchram_plus is not in oe Jun 17 00:52:14 but I guess it's easy to add Jun 17 00:52:28 we can add the google git and add local oe patch Jun 17 00:52:40 good night Jun 17 00:52:48 good night Jun 17 00:52:49 yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 17 02:59:56 2011