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Aug 06 07:43:06 <mrmoku> mickeyl: ping... awake'n'around ?
Aug 06 09:57:13 <mrmoku> lindi-: ping. you've been talking about monav some time ago... did you try it on the FR?
Aug 06 10:11:24 <mickeyl> mrmoku: morning, ya i'm here
Aug 06 10:11:40 <mickeyl> in fact i'm awaken since hours... as you might know ;)
Aug 06 10:16:56 <morphis> mickeyl: yeah you are here :)
Aug 06 10:19:35 <morphis> mickeyl: you are available this weekend?
Aug 06 10:19:48 <morphis> we need to talk about our presentation at froscon ...
Aug 06 10:20:54 <mickeyl> ya, it's finally on the agenda for this weekend
Aug 06 10:21:25 <mickeyl> been struggling a bit with my time management :)
Aug 06 10:21:31 <morphis> ok, maybe we can do a skype call and talk about the relevant parts
Aug 06 10:21:46 <morphis> hehe, it's not that easy with a little children I think :D
Aug 06 10:21:51 <mickeyl> indeed
Aug 06 10:22:07 <mickeyl> yes, lets schedule this for tomorrow, i plan to have the skeleton of the presentation done by then
Aug 06 10:22:57 <morphis> ok
Aug 06 10:23:01 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: heyho
Aug 06 10:23:08 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: you got an answer from HP/Palm
Aug 06 10:23:18 <morphis> mickeyl: btw. I have now a HP Veer sponsored by HP
Aug 06 10:23:33 <mickeyl> congrats
Aug 06 10:23:59 <mickeyl> my application did just went into the void, i guess :)
Aug 06 10:24:05 <mickeyl> (not for the veer, the old one)
Aug 06 10:24:33 <morphis> ok
Aug 06 10:24:44 <morphis> and I have several updates for you about various aspects of fso
Aug 06 10:24:53 <mickeyl> good
Aug 06 10:24:58 <morphis> but we should discuss them when we meet at froscon
Aug 06 10:25:33 <mickeyl> ok
Aug 06 10:25:47 <mickeyl> i was wondering whether we should share a room for the night
Aug 06 10:25:56 <mickeyl> instead of driving back and forth 2 times
Aug 06 10:25:57 <mickeyl> what do you think?
Aug 06 10:26:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> morphis, hi, I'll look
Aug 06 10:26:34 <morphis> mickeyl: let me think until tomorrow about this
Aug 06 10:26:37 <mickeyl> k
Aug 06 10:26:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> my computer /boot partition was gone so I'm now going trough my tons of mails
Aug 06 10:26:44 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: ah ok
Aug 06 10:26:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> + I was in hollidays doing cycling etc....
Aug 06 10:27:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's the mail name?
Aug 06 10:28:10 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: no you misunderstand me, I asked you if you got mail about the hpveer
Aug 06 10:28:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Aug 06 10:28:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> I greeped for HP, Palm and Adam
Aug 06 10:28:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> nothing
Aug 06 10:28:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I guess I'll abandon
Aug 06 10:29:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've already the geeksphone to support and I don't want yet another msm/qsd
Aug 06 10:31:46 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop: ok
Aug 06 10:35:58 <morphis> GNUtoo|laptop, mickeyl: as you both played a little more with msm rpc / qmi, does simple forwarding for devices nodes regards rpc/qmi work?
Aug 06 10:37:24 <mickeyl> morphis: i only used qmi through the textual device protocol which controls the rmnet interfaces
Aug 06 10:37:32 <morphis> ok
Aug 06 10:38:13 <morphis> as I use a /dev/3000006b:00010001 dev node and I didn't get response with simple forwarding
Aug 06 10:38:20 <morphis> but maybe I am doing something wrong
Aug 06 10:38:30 <mickeyl> through a binary protocol i assume?
Aug 06 10:39:31 <morphis> yes
Aug 06 10:39:52 <mickeyl> ok, no idea with that particular one. /dev/qmi was something complete different
Aug 06 10:39:55 <morphis> but it's oncrpc which is documented on the net and the sources are part of the linux kernel
Aug 06 10:39:56 <mickeyl> a layer on top
Aug 06 10:40:00 <morphis> ok
Aug 06 10:40:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes indeed
Aug 06 10:40:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> no idea with forwarding
Aug 06 10:40:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> qmi is for rmnet0
Aug 06 10:40:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> which is the network interface for 3g
Aug 06 10:41:07 <rah> are talks at froscon going to be streamed?
Aug 06 10:42:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> froscon? are there some FSO/SHR/QtMoko/etc... talks?
Aug 06 10:42:54 <rah> http://programm.froscon.org/2011/events/713.html
Aug 06 10:43:16 <rah> mickeyl will be giving a talk
Aug 06 10:45:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Aug 06 10:46:08 <mrmoku> mickeyl: hey, morning
Aug 06 10:46:14 <mrmoku> mickeyl: what do you think about telepathy?
Aug 06 10:47:34 <mickeyl> mrmoku: nice, very flexible, but a tad bit overengineered.
Aug 06 10:48:10 <mickeyl> many components involved, i'm not sure it's a good idea on embedded systems
Aug 06 10:48:20 <morphis> rah: mickeyl and me
Aug 06 10:48:22 <mickeyl> although i know some folks are using it
Aug 06 10:48:43 <rah> morphis: really?  I must have missed your talk, I do apologise :-)
Aug 06 10:48:57 <rah> morphis: you have value too ;-)
Aug 06 10:48:59 <morphis> rah: no, I am not mentioned in the list
Aug 06 10:49:05 <rah> ah
Aug 06 10:49:08 <morphis> rah: I am doing the talk together with mickeyl
Aug 06 10:49:14 <rah> I see
Aug 06 10:49:19 <mrmoku> mickeyl: I was playing with it on my laptop for some days... and somehow I like it
Aug 06 10:49:24 <mickeyl> morphis: the onrpc stuff reminds me of the nightmare we had for enabling GPS on the dream. GNUtoo|laptop, who was the expert again?
Aug 06 10:49:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> phh
Aug 06 10:49:36 <mickeyl> right
Aug 06 10:49:43 <mrmoku> mickeyl: so maybe we should integrate it?
Aug 06 10:49:45 <mickeyl> morphis: phh might be able to help
Aug 06 10:49:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> he did the reverse enginnering, I did the testing + ajustements
Aug 06 10:50:15 <morphis> mickeyl: HP/Palm is not using the plain RPC stuff
Aug 06 10:50:16 <mickeyl> mrmoku: we could hook some of our parts to their system, yes. 
Aug 06 10:50:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ajustements means stuff like ajusting the timing to prevent crash etc...
Aug 06 10:50:26 <morphis> mickeyl: they are using the OEM RAPI programm
Aug 06 10:50:35 <mickeyl> morphis: ok, something slightly different then
Aug 06 10:50:39 <dos1> mrmoku: i was playing with some EFL bindings few years ago, though it didn't end well at that time
Aug 06 10:50:40 <morphis> mickeyl: which enables you to stream some other protocol over RPC
Aug 06 10:50:43 <mickeyl> that gps nightmare drove me away from the dream...
Aug 06 10:50:45 <morphis> so RPC + HCI
Aug 06 10:51:05 <rah> how up to date is http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison ?
Aug 06 10:51:15 <dos1> mrmoku: but it was few years ago ;)
Aug 06 10:51:19 <morphis> the HCI packages are similar to the ones we found in the Palm Pre
Aug 06 10:51:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, gps works moslty fine on dream
Aug 06 10:51:26 <mrmoku> dos1: yeah... it has seen some develling meanwhile :P
Aug 06 10:51:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> but not everything works fine....
Aug 06 10:51:47 <rah> there are lots of things that say "needs to be integrated"; have they been?
Aug 06 10:51:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> for instance wifi, and audio
Aug 06 10:51:52 <mrmoku> dos1: and pespin is trying to get vala bindings done
Aug 06 10:51:52 <dos1> mrmoku: and IM integration is something I love in Maemo, so you have my +1 for that
Aug 06 10:52:02 <morphis> mickeyl: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=msmcomm.git;a=blob;f=libmsmrpc/tests/testrpcclient.vala;h=3b362ef92220d56a8407860a26285218b1d526eb;hb=refs/heads/hpveer-support
Aug 06 10:52:15 <mrmoku> dos1: yeah, though myself I am much more interested in the voip part :)
Aug 06 10:52:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, what drove me away from the dream is the fact that the modem has too much control
Aug 06 10:52:26 <dos1> mrmoku: good reason for me to actually learn vala :D
Aug 06 10:52:36 <mrmoku> great
Aug 06 10:52:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> hi dos1 !!!!
Aug 06 10:53:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> dos1, as someone told me here, use the phone and fixes what bother you the most
Aug 06 10:53:07 <dos1> mrmoku: yeah, voip is great feature to have too
Aug 06 10:53:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> phh is active in #htc-linux
Aug 06 10:54:12 <phh> well i'm reading here too
Aug 06 10:54:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Aug 06 10:54:24 <mrmoku> I wonder what the big picture of that would be in the end...
Aug 06 10:55:04 <mrmoku> mickeyl: would dropping the idea of ophoned and having a telepathy-fso-backend something you like?
Aug 06 10:55:14 <dos1> GNUtoo|laptop: yep, i hope i'll have enough patience this time
Aug 06 10:55:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Aug 06 10:55:33 <mrmoku> +be
Aug 06 10:55:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> devellopers devellopers devellopers
Aug 06 10:55:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> or
Aug 06 10:55:43 <mickeyl> mrmoku: i'm 50:50 on that. in theory it might be a good thing, in practice i fear about the additional complexity introduced by lots of new components
Aug 06 10:55:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> we really need manpower
Aug 06 10:56:11 <mickeyl> mrmoku: but it might be a big bonus to advertise :)
Aug 06 10:56:25 <mickeyl> interfacing with already established components is always good
Aug 06 10:56:28 <mrmoku> mickeyl: hehe, yeah... telepathy is where everyone seems to be going
Aug 06 10:56:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> what about ACI
Aug 06 10:56:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Aug 06 10:56:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> who would do the telepathy backend?
Aug 06 10:57:10 <dos1> though now i should have more free time, so it shouldn't be that hard to keep testing and playing with it
Aug 06 10:58:25 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: this is just brainstorming where we want to go
Aug 06 10:58:40 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: of course getting the audio stuff finished first has more priority
Aug 06 10:58:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Aug 06 10:58:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> audio is blocking me
Aug 06 10:58:54 <mickeyl> did the sip work not went well?
Aug 06 10:58:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> as jama beeing gone
Aug 06 10:59:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> as Weiss or larsc not responding to me on irc
Aug 06 10:59:08 <mrmoku> sflphone is giving me problems...
Aug 06 10:59:13 <mrmoku> the daemon segfaults often
Aug 06 10:59:17 <mickeyl> hmm, bummer
Aug 06 10:59:24 <mrmoku> on my laptop I can't use it anymore as it does not build properly
Aug 06 10:59:26 <mrmoku> (or segfaults)
Aug 06 10:59:31 <mickeyl> what's telepathy using for voip?
Aug 06 10:59:35 <mrmoku> so I started to look into tp
Aug 06 10:59:38 <mrmoku> sofiasip
Aug 06 11:00:12 <mrmoku> and I have to admit that under maemo this works great
Aug 06 11:00:28 <mrmoku> I want that too :-)
Aug 06 11:00:36 <mickeyl> *nod*
Aug 06 11:01:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> how's ACI progress?
Aug 06 11:01:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> is there ways to help a little bit?
Aug 06 11:02:01 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: I started some class for the controls and control bundles... not much yet
Aug 06 11:02:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow nice
Aug 06 11:02:14 <mrmoku> will continue in the afternoon
Aug 06 11:02:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> so there is at least something
Aug 06 11:02:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
Aug 06 11:02:24 <mrmoku> well not mcuh there yet
Aug 06 11:02:26 * GNUtoo|laptop started to desesperate
Aug 06 11:02:35 <mrmoku> but I'm not ignoring the topic :)
Aug 06 11:02:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> so now I know it's progressing and that it's going somewhere
Aug 06 11:03:51 <mrmoku> another thing I want to have is monav
Aug 06 11:03:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's that already?
Aug 06 11:04:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> isn't it a titled manager?
Aug 06 11:04:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> or was it xmonad
Aug 06 11:04:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Aug 06 11:04:22 <mickeyl> OSM routing
Aug 06 11:04:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Aug 06 11:04:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Aug 06 11:04:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> we have navit....
Aug 06 11:04:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> what does monad do better?
Aug 06 11:05:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> *monav
Aug 06 11:05:43 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: it is using some new routing algorithm and the interface of the client is better IMHO
Aug 06 11:06:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Aug 06 11:06:03 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: http://code.google.com/p/monav/
Aug 06 11:06:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> personally I want a good jamendo client
Aug 06 11:06:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> and also a good music player
Aug 06 11:07:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> does MoNav require a 3g connection?
Aug 06 11:09:22 <mrmoku> not for the routing
Aug 06 11:09:28 <mrmoku> maybe for gps on n900
Aug 06 11:09:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok nice
Aug 06 11:09:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> navit is 100% offline 
Aug 06 11:09:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> and I like that
Aug 06 11:12:55 <mrmoku> indeed that's essential
Aug 06 11:13:44 <GNUtoo-N900> for me tough a god music player on om-gta02 is essential
Aug 06 11:13:56 <GNUtoo-N900> *good
Aug 06 11:14:16 <GNUtoo-N900> features must include some remote optioms
Aug 06 11:14:38 <GNUtoo-N900> such as bluetooth remote of my jabra clipper
Aug 06 11:15:49 <GNUtoo-N900> for how to do it I am unsure
Aug 06 11:16:03 <GNUtoo-N900> maybe an fsoaudiod plugin
Aug 06 11:16:19 <GNUtoo-N900> + modifying intone
Aug 06 11:16:21 <GNUtoo-N900> ?
Aug 06 11:20:13 <mrmoku> good question
Aug 06 11:20:27 <mrmoku> is intone the best player we have?
Aug 06 11:20:41 <GNUtoo-N900> there is also the other one
Aug 06 11:20:45 <GNUtoo-N900> enjoy
Aug 06 11:21:25 <mrmoku> enjoy, yeah
Aug 06 11:22:05 <mrmoku> with fsoaudiod there should be no need to modify the player for bt
Aug 06 11:22:15 <mrmoku> otherwise we failed :P
Aug 06 11:22:47 <GNUtoo-N900> there is for remote control
Aug 06 11:23:12 <mrmoku> ah ok
Aug 06 11:23:17 <GNUtoo-N900> like forward,backwars,play,pause
Aug 06 11:23:29 <mrmoku> yeah that needs modding
Aug 06 11:24:02 <mrmoku> but would be something welcome upstream too
Aug 06 11:24:23 <GNUtoo-N900> ok
Aug 06 11:24:41 <GNUtoo-N900> basically we could do
Aug 06 11:26:08 <GNUtoo-N900> bluetoothd<->plugin<->app
Aug 06 11:26:22 <GNUtoo-N900> because that could work too
Aug 06 11:26:35 <GNUtoo-N900> wired remote<->plugin<->app
Aug 06 11:43:09 <morphis> so I am off now
Aug 06 11:43:10 <morphis> bye
Aug 06 11:43:57 * mrmoku got to bring the kids to his parents... bbl
Aug 06 13:20:25 <angelox|n900> hi everyone!
Aug 06 15:00:38 <GarthPS> hi
Aug 06 17:19:40 <morphis> so, first contact with the modem of the HP Veer is done: http://pastie.org/2330824
Aug 06 17:22:29 <PaulFertser> morphis: man, you're amazing
Aug 06 17:22:34 <PaulFertser> no kidding
Aug 06 17:22:53 <morphis> PaulFertser: :)
Aug 06 17:23:17 <morphis> thanks for the laudation 
Aug 06 20:28:07 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07hpveer-support * r458eda8f0262 10msmcomm/libmsmrpc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libmsmrpc: next big step torwards a working version
Aug 06 20:29:12 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r066b0bfacd5f 10/tools/serial_forward/src/forward.c: serial_forward: open device node for raw forwarding with correct flags
Aug 06 21:43:59 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r12ac642d4a22 10aurora/aurora-applications/app-settings/ (3 files in 2 dirs): aurora-settings: Cosmetics in id and add modal dialog at wifi ap dialog
Aug 06 23:36:00 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03angelo 07angelox/testing * r1e6439849388 10aurora/aurora-components/components/ (25 files): 
Aug 06 23:36:00 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: aurora-components: add again old components to continue the
Aug 06 23:36:00 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org:  development
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