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Aug 26 09:38:38 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * re070c5b55c99 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/mioctl_git.bb: mioctl: remove extra '.git' from SRC_URI
Aug 26 09:38:43 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rd08b07ce630e 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-openmoko.inc: linux-openmoko.inc: drop creating latest link (it was missing DATETIME anyways)
Aug 26 09:38:43 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r473ecf43e2ae 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux_2.6.39.bb: linux-2.6.39: fix SRC_URI
Aug 26 11:09:30 <dos1> mrmoku: ping
Aug 26 13:36:48 <radekp> mickeyl: hi, qtmoko FSO integration is now nearly finished, only cleanup code and maybe some less important stuff has to be done
Aug 26 13:37:12 <radekp> mickeyl: it can do and receive calls, SMS and can read contacts from SIM
Aug 26 18:10:47 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03rah 07utilities * ref30062a8f32 10/android/image-utils/mkbootimg/ (Makefile.am unbootimg.c): (log message trimmed)
Aug 26 18:10:47 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: Add a utility, unbootimg (v3)
Aug 26 18:10:47 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: This program is the complement to mkbootimg. It prints header
Aug 26 18:10:47 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: information and extracts kernel, ramdisk and 2nd boot images.
Aug 26 18:10:47 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: The second version was absent trailing whitespace, as per comments
Aug 26 18:10:47 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: from GNUtoo. This third version includes two changes: correcting
Aug 26 18:10:48 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: the file name at the top of unbootimg.c and also changing the text
Aug 26 18:38:00 <JaMae> dos1: phonefsod,phoneuid: add dos
Aug 26 18:38:55 <dos1> JaMae: thanks :)
Aug 26 18:39:42 <CIA-82> SHR: 03dos 07phonefsod * r48fe6e66d331 10/src/ (phonefsod-fso.c phonefsod.c): use SetBacklightPower in backlight handling
Aug 26 18:46:43 <sailerboy> Hey, no intention to intrude, but i heard that one of the developers was considering SHR for the touchpad
Aug 26 18:46:52 <sailerboy> any truth to that rumor?
Aug 26 19:01:46 * DocScrutinizer wonders if anybody considered SHR for N9[50]
Aug 26 19:02:40 <DocScrutinizer> N9 should be an awesome piece of hw, compared to e.g. Freerunner
Aug 26 19:02:59 <angelox|laptop> compared to N900,it's better?
Aug 26 19:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> well, more RAM, faster CPU/GPU
Aug 26 19:03:24 <DocScrutinizer> no hw kbd
Aug 26 19:03:38 <DocScrutinizer> capacitive ts
Aug 26 19:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> some like it, I hate it
Aug 26 19:04:46 <DocScrutinizer> I stay with N900 and my N950 stays at home every day - and N950 even has a hw kbd
Aug 26 19:05:09 <dos1> >capacitive ts
Aug 26 19:05:13 <DocScrutinizer> yoh
Aug 26 19:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> mt
Aug 26 19:05:15 <dos1> i hate it too :P
Aug 26 19:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> zooming is awesome
Aug 26 19:05:31 <DocScrutinizer> nothing else is :-P
Aug 26 19:05:35 <dos1> yeah
Aug 26 19:05:35 <angelox|laptop> i don't hate,i dislike.
Aug 26 19:06:24 <angelox|laptop> i wish Nokia could sell n950 for users
Aug 26 19:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> but I'm sure there is a group of users that love c-ts and don't really need or want a proper hw kbd. For those N9 with SHR was an awesome choice
Aug 26 19:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> given we really can access cellmo in TC "open mode"
Aug 26 19:08:05 <DocScrutinizer> it's likely but not yet confirmed
Aug 26 19:08:18 <dos1> illume keyboard got nice configuration options
Aug 26 19:08:28 <dos1> so it may be usable with capacitive ts
Aug 26 19:08:33 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 26 19:10:08 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: does gsm modem use the same protocol as in n900?
Aug 26 19:10:18 <DocScrutinizer> basically yes
Aug 26 19:10:25 <DocScrutinizer> I assume
Aug 26 19:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> aiui it's also a BB5 and we got... moment please...
Aug 26 19:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> phonet0   Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 15-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
Aug 26 19:11:10 <DocScrutinizer>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP  MTU:4000  Metric:1
Aug 26 19:11:11 <DocScrutinizer>           RX packets:8061 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
Aug 26 19:11:13 <DocScrutinizer>           TX packets:370 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
Aug 26 19:11:14 <DocScrutinizer>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
Aug 26 19:11:16 <DocScrutinizer>           RX bytes:226736 (221.4 KiB)  TX bytes:4815 (4.7 KiB)
Aug 26 19:11:26 <dos1> great
Aug 26 19:12:07 <dos1> so devs with n900 and devs with n9/n950 would help each other with modem
Aug 26 19:12:17 <DocScrutinizer> audio is as screwed as we now it from N900 :-/
Aug 26 19:12:30 <DocScrutinizer> know*
Aug 26 19:12:48 <Alex[sp3dev]> but isn't n9 a bit overpriced? there are a lot of more powerful and cheaper phones based on tegra2 or lg optimus 3d with omap4. the only advantage of n9 is that you may reuse n900 modem code
Aug 26 19:13:11 <DocScrutinizer> for now I dunno what it's priced at all
Aug 26 19:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> actually another advantage is there's a crew porting meegoCE to it, while it runs a maemo-alike OS OOTB, and for both most sourcecode is available
Aug 26 19:14:58 <DocScrutinizer> RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# uname -a
Aug 26 19:14:59 <DocScrutinizer> Linux RM680 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20112201 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 1 18:17:45 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux
Aug 26 19:15:13 <Alex[sp3dev]> is camera accessible via v4l2 without proprietary stuff?
Aug 26 19:15:36 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, prolly not without giving it a hard kick
Aug 26 19:16:49 <DocScrutinizer> there are functions like face detection that are most likely closed source
Aug 26 19:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> touch-to-focus
Aug 26 19:17:33 <DocScrutinizer> continuous autofocus during video
Aug 26 19:18:09 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.gsmworld.com/
Aug 26 19:18:11 <DocScrutinizer> tell me what command to run in a shell, and I post the stdout here
Aug 26 19:19:05 <Alex[sp3dev]> if you have mplayer, you can try playing. but don't waste your time. i think basic stuff like capture without ISP algorithms is upstream for omap
Aug 26 19:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> I bet it is
Aug 26 19:19:48 <DocScrutinizer> v4l2 works on N900 afaik
Aug 26 19:20:09 <DocScrutinizer> there are even complete camera replacements
Aug 26 19:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> that perform better than original allegedly
Aug 26 19:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> can't see how that would fundamentally differ for N9
Aug 26 19:21:17 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: yeah, with CSSU it's already replaced with FLOSS app by default
Aug 26 19:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> alas yes
Aug 26 19:22:03 <DocScrutinizer> I frown on this very much, as that's not exactly a piece of sw that belongs into CSSU
Aug 26 19:23:23 <DocScrutinizer> just being a part of metaPR doesn't make camera-ui a core component that needs CSSU support to get alternatives
Aug 26 19:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> just change a symlink in /usr/bin and next boot will preload your new camera-ui
Aug 26 19:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> no CSSU magic needed to do that
Aug 26 19:25:30 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: yes, of course
Aug 26 19:25:39 <dos1> just saying that's it's part of metaPR :]
Aug 26 19:26:16 <dos1> s/that's/that/
Aug 26 19:26:17 <apt> dos1 meant: just saying that it's part of metaPR :]
Aug 26 19:27:28 <DocScrutinizer> yup, and yet user could change even on the fly, while other parts like desktop-manager are valid components of CSSU you can't simply swap without carefully tuning the rest of system to the changed situation
Aug 26 19:28:18 <DocScrutinizer> replacing it in CSSU actually has the highly annoying side-effect that the original binary gets deleted and you can't recover it unless you reflash
Aug 26 19:28:38 <angelox|laptop>  what is CSSU?
Aug 26 19:28:45 <DocScrutinizer> ~cssu
Aug 26 19:28:45 <apt> well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Aug 26 19:28:51 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it's deleted? ouch, sucks
Aug 26 19:29:04 <angelox|laptop> DocScrutinizer: thanks!
Aug 26 19:29:08 <angelox|laptop> ~thanks
Aug 26 19:29:08 <apt> sure thing, angelox|laptop
Aug 26 19:29:43 <gnutoo> Alex[sp3dev]: for camera of n900, non-free firmware are needed but that's all....
Aug 26 19:30:26 <Alex[sp3dev]> gnutoo: ok. i don't care if it is free or not as long as it is not running on the AP
Aug 26 19:30:55 <gnutoo> ok, it was just for exactness that I said that
Aug 26 19:31:14 <gnutoo> because it seem that free doesn't mean the same thing for everybody....
Aug 26 19:33:15 <Alex[sp3dev]> it would be nice to have free firmware everywhere but without hardware vendor support it will take you so much time to reimplement all firmwares (modem, BT, wifi, dsp) that the device will fall apart long before it
Aug 26 19:33:16 <gnutoo> DocScrutinizer: I guess we still don't have that much infos on the n9
Aug 26 19:33:43 <gnutoo> some firmwares are more important than other....think of baseband firmware...
Aug 26 19:34:35 <sailerboy> Hey, no intention to intrude, but i heard that one of the developers was considering SHR for the touchpad. Any truth to that rumor?
Aug 26 19:34:57 <gnutoo> sailerboy: maybe also ask who has a touchpad....
Aug 26 19:35:02 <gnutoo> or who plan to buy one....
Aug 26 19:36:58 <Alex[sp3dev]> and why would you want shr on that? it has a huge screen so it will be comfortable to use desktop UI (gnome, kde) on it. besides, it should have a standard pcie or usb modem so you do not need the telephony layer, just the scrips for ppp
Aug 26 19:37:20 <sailerboy> albertD, i want to use Enlightenment
Aug 26 19:37:24 <sailerboy> Alex[sp3dev], *
Aug 26 19:37:40 <Alex[sp3dev]> and? you can install e17 in debian/ubuntu/whatever
Aug 26 19:37:52 <sailerboy> Alex[sp3dev], there's no native debian/ubuntu/whatever
Aug 26 19:38:24 <sailerboy> and ok, fine, who has a touchpad in this channel?
Aug 26 19:56:02 <pespin> sailerboy, hey hello :)
Aug 26 19:56:14 <pespin> nice to see you here! :D
Aug 26 21:06:54 <pespin> gnutoo, did you have problems building shr-lite-image? libfsobasics fails to fetch
Aug 26 21:07:32 <pespin> "fatal: reference is not a tree: 89047039733a0364e93f2cd05206c185d35b984d"
Aug 26 21:25:55 <sailerboy> hi pespin 
Aug 26 21:33:33 <pespin> sailerboy, hi :)
Aug 26 21:38:20 <dos1|N900> pespin: animated themes should be correctly supported now :)
Aug 26 21:38:42 <pespin> dos1|N900, nice! :)
Aug 26 21:38:55 <pespin> hmm I'm having problems bitbaking package-index too
Aug 26 21:39:10 <pespin> AssertionError: Old ipk format (non-deb) is unsupported
Aug 26 22:57:30 <dcordes> gnutoo: thanks for the updates of wiki and git with alsa
Aug 26 22:59:49 <dcordes> gnutoo: I have a problem with the kernel currently.
Aug 26 23:00:30 <dcordes> gnutoo: since I entirely removed WinCE from htcleo , I need a patch for the touchscreen driver. (init related)
Aug 26 23:01:00 <dcordes> gnutoo: and I have problems applying that patch to htc-msm-2.6.32
Aug 26 23:01:10 <dcordes> (incoming)
Aug 26 23:01:14 <dcordes> gnutoo: could you take a look ?
Aug 26 23:06:50 <dcordes> gnutoo: the patch is here http://privatepaste.com/download/62fde58952 the problem is about some gpio stuff that changes between the two kernels
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