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Sep 05 06:43:54 <GarthPS> moins!
Sep 05 06:45:25 <fgau> moin moin
Sep 05 07:21:44 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r14487efa4ccf 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-2.6.39/shr.patch linux-openmoko_2.6.39.bb): linux-openmoko-2.6.39: drop 2 ts patches which are probably causing kernel panic
Sep 05 07:49:17 <GarthPS> does someone could apply my 2 lasts patch for old oe plz ? aurora.conf and initscripts-shr
Sep 05 08:02:38 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: 03sylvain.pare 07cornucopia * r0add8cf48503 10/fsodeviced/conf/palm_pre/fsodeviced.conf: 
Sep 05 08:02:38 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsodeviced: palmpre configuration: ignore gpio-keys for changing the idle state"
Sep 05 08:02:38 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 6dc1d95d5db8749fa527a1b39431bf8f003170d4.
Sep 05 08:02:38 <CIA-82> freesmartphone.org: waiting for a better handling of these events. in the meanwhile we need these gpio events
Sep 05 08:27:57 <GarthPS>  gnutoo: hi ! could you please apply my pending patches for old oe ? aurora.conf and initscripts-shr
Sep 05 08:33:43 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: Applying: initscripts-shr: add a palmpre specific umountfs script
Sep 05 08:33:46 <JaMa|Off> fatal: corrupt patch at line 38
Sep 05 08:34:23 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: you have line wraps in it..
Sep 05 08:34:29 <JaMa|Off> http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/10993/
Sep 05 08:37:48 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: grrrrrr .... thx
Sep 05 08:38:17 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: and it's not from HEAD, because it doesn't have http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=a5da6ee6044b4bcc1881de9dc3654195e7684950
Sep 05 08:40:30 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: both applied, but please be more carefull next time (line breaks, rebase on HEAD before sending)
Sep 05 08:41:00 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: yeah.. :/ sorry. thank you!
Sep 05 09:50:14 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: I will make a patch for the new MCnavi version, do I remove old recipes ? ( 0.2.5 and 0.2.13 as the new one is 0.3.1)
Sep 05 10:49:42 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: I've it already
Sep 05 10:50:09 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off:  :) ok then ..
Sep 05 10:50:23 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: it needs fix for mysql detection (hardcoded -I and -L in Makefile.am..)
Sep 05 10:50:41 <JaMa|Off> and I've it only for shr-core.. :)
Sep 05 10:50:44 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: yeah I am just on this right now :D
Sep 05 10:51:18 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: so how did you fix that ? do you plan to put this in old oe ?
Sep 05 10:51:41 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r08a33257e885 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/3rdparty/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mcnavi: upgrade to 0.3.1
Sep 05 10:51:44 <JaMa|Off> see ^
Sep 05 10:52:13 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: ok thx. what do you think for oe ?
Sep 05 10:52:22 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: I can add it to old oe if you want
Sep 05 10:52:31 <GarthPS> is ther a layer for that in the new shape of oe ?
Sep 05 10:52:47 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: yeah pls if it is not to much for you 
Sep 05 10:53:25 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: ?
Sep 05 10:53:31 <JaMa|Off> it's in meta-shr layer now
Sep 05 10:55:18 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: so of peolpel from other project want to have this recipe they need to put it in there layer, that is the new way to do ? I hope there is tool to search across other ditro's layers..
Sep 05 10:56:59 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: I've checkouts of other layers not used by shr-core on my disk and use find and git log to watch for their changes..
Sep 05 10:57:26 <JaMa|Off> but it's not optimal and time-consuming
Sep 05 10:58:12 <GarthPS> JaMa|Off: yeah.. does something is plan in this new design of oe regarding this type of issue ?
Sep 05 10:58:28 <GarthPS> just to be curious
Sep 05 10:59:21 <JaMa|Off> there is layer index, but I don't know about any plans for "search tool"
Sep 05 11:00:53 <JaMa|Off> GarthPS: if other project want to have this, then they should ask me to move it from meta-shr to meta-oe/recipes-navigation (as I did with other recipes)
Sep 05 11:07:19 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ra42de1d02970 10/meta-samsung/README: meta-samsung: fix e-mail subject prefix in README
Sep 05 11:09:19 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rcea4c1c1fca5 10/meta-aurora/README: meta-aurora: fix e-mail subject prefix in README
Sep 05 11:10:46 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-makefile * rf571c58a91ba 10/conf/shr-core/bblayers.conf: bblayers: remove meta-zaurus (search for meta-handheld) and add meta-samsung
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Sep 05 12:17:52 <mickey|office> ~seen morphis
Sep 05 12:17:58 <apt> morphis <~morphis@p5B31F597.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 1d 19h 52m 57s ago, saying: 'bye'.
Sep 05 12:56:14 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r49a7ad394160 10/meta-nokia/recipes-bsp/keymaps/keymaps_1.0.bbappend: meta-nokia: keymaps: limit do_install_append to nokia900
Sep 05 13:45:41 <jeepingben> I have accelerometers working on gta02 in 2.6.39 kernel, but I need help making a patch
Sep 05 13:47:14 <jeepingben> OE7 kernel still panics on touch btw
Sep 05 13:47:16 <JaMa|Off> jeepingben: can you prepare patch against https://gitorious.org/shr/linux/commits/shr-2.6.39-nodrm ?
Sep 05 13:47:51 <jeepingben> I'll probably need some hand-holding . I was working in devshell, but it appears I can't format a patch from there
Sep 05 13:48:23 <JaMa|Off> I'm leaving in 10 minutes
Sep 05 13:48:58 <JaMa|Off> and do you have some log from kernel panic?
Sep 05 13:49:33 <jeepingben> I'll get a log, but I don't know how
Sep 05 13:49:45 * JaMa|Off won't touch kernel again before the possibilty to test it on device first ..
Sep 05 13:50:53 <JaMa|Off> well Yoram bar-haim said he has working patch for TS but haven't send it yet :/
Sep 05 13:51:03 <jeepingben> do I need a debug board to get the kernel log?
Sep 05 13:51:22 <JaMa|Off> but I guess if you shutdown Xorg first then maybe panic log will be shown on device 
Sep 05 13:51:31 <jeepingben> ok, I will try that.
Sep 05 13:51:42 <JaMa|Off> shutdown from ssh connection..
Sep 05 13:52:21 <JaMa|Off> and it won't help if it's too long and it will be scrolled away from screen.. 
Sep 05 13:52:49 <jeepingben> ok, X is shutdown, do I need to do anything else to get log to console before I touch the screen?
Sep 05 13:54:37 <jeepingben> output is very long, 10 pages I would guess
Sep 05 13:55:34 <JaMa|Off> :/
Sep 05 13:55:53 <JaMa|Off> then let's get that patch for accels and I'll fix ts later with it
Sep 05 13:57:38 <jeepingben> so first do I need to clone the shr-2.6.39-nodrm repo?
Sep 05 13:58:32 <JaMa|Off> yes or add git remote to existing linux checkout
Sep 05 14:03:36 <JaMa|Off> jeepingben: sorry gtg :/
Sep 05 14:04:19 <JaMa|Off> jeepingben: but if you create patch against shr-2.6.39-nodrm and send it to shr-devel, I'll apply it on gitorious and regenerate shr.patch from it..
Sep 05 14:04:36 <jeepingben> ok, I'll try
Sep 05 15:53:03 <angelox|n900> hi people
Sep 05 16:07:00 <GarthPS> angelox|n900: hi
Sep 05 16:36:07 <mrmoku> gnutoo: pong
Sep 05 16:45:33 <pespin> uff bitbake is eating all the memory in my system...
Sep 05 16:45:54 <pespin> most of the 2gb of RAM ad about 800mb of swap
Sep 05 16:47:31 <pespin> btw blinking AUX button means kernel panic in gta02?
Sep 05 16:48:30 <mrmoku> pespin: usually yeah
Sep 05 16:49:05 <pespin> then I have kernel panic at boot with shr-core image I built some days ago hehe
Sep 05 16:49:25 <pespin> I?m rebuilding now to flash new image to see if it still happens
Sep 05 16:49:39 <pespin> it paniced even after loading E though
Sep 05 16:49:59 <pespin> so most of the boot process was fine
Sep 05 16:54:38 <mrmoku> gnutoo: we moved to a new camping site... here I don't have wlan to the tent :-/
Sep 05 16:54:45 <mrmoku> there is a free wifi zone tough
Sep 05 16:55:09 <mrmoku> but that means I won't be much connected these days...
Sep 05 16:58:03 * mrmoku off
Sep 05 18:04:29 <GarthPS> guys how can I debug a kernel crash in shr-u? I did "while true;do dmesg -c;done" during the launch of vlc which crash shr on my pre2 but nothing outputed. can enable veerbose log ?
Sep 05 18:10:04 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: probably dmesg -n8
Sep 05 18:10:14 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: it changes the verbosity level
Sep 05 18:10:51 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: also it might make sense to enable in-kernel debugging aids such as "lockdep"
Sep 05 18:11:42 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: and the best way to get output is of course having some sort of console, either that should be the serial console (better) or at least framebuffer console (so you'd be able to at least see it with your eyes).
Sep 05 18:12:40 <GarthPS> PaulFertser: I am loged via ssh. it should be good no ? I will try
Sep 05 18:12:57 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: no good if that's kernel panic...
Sep 05 18:13:18 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: netconsole might work, but not ssh.
Sep 05 18:13:55 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: you can also consider mtdoops or ramconsole and similar methods.
Sep 05 18:15:06 <GarthPS> PaulFertser: hmm ok . will check all that. it should be possible to enable the kernel to login a file no ?
Sep 05 18:15:31 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: kernel panic stops userspace...
Sep 05 18:15:51 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: but of course you should have klogd+syslogd running anyway, logging everything to file as far as they are able to do that.
Sep 05 18:15:52 <GarthPS> PaulFertser: :)
Sep 05 18:16:46 <GarthPS> PaulFertser: and if i tell you that I suspect the crash to be cause by bad ARM sepcific code
Sep 05 18:16:58 <GarthPS> does it change something in your answers ?
Sep 05 18:17:07 <PaulFertser> GarthPS: unlikely, userspace code can't crash the kernel usually.
Sep 05 18:18:48 <GarthPS> PaulFertser: ok thx. perhaps I could check if this issue (if it is really related to ARM specific code) is not already known. perhaps it could be faster
Sep 05 18:19:07 <GarthPS> anywya I note your answers :p
Sep 05 18:39:45 <JaMa|Off> jeepingben: are you here? I have about 20 mins now :)
Sep 05 18:52:14 <pespin> JaMa|Off, last om-gta02 kernel panics here at last stages of boot time
Sep 05 18:52:32 <pespin> with fresh image and kernel I just flashed
Sep 05 18:54:57 * pespin has to go now, sorry, bbl
Sep 05 18:55:50 <JaMa|Off> pespin: it's known and because of ts
Sep 05 18:56:11 <JaMa|Off> pespin: see "[Shr-Devel] event filtering" thread
Sep 05 19:14:08 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rc8aec62b3747 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (linux-2.6.39/shr.patch linux-openmoko_2.6.39.bb): linux-openmoko-2.6.39: drop last ts patch
Sep 05 20:36:32 <nschle85> hello, i have N900 and a strange partion / mount problem with external sd card
Sep 05 20:37:38 <nschle85> cat /proc/partitions gives:
Sep 05 20:37:54 <nschle85> 179        0    7977472 mmcblk0
Sep 05 20:37:54 <nschle85>  179        1    6291480 mmcblk0p1
Sep 05 20:37:54 <nschle85>  179        2     716832 mmcblk0p2
Sep 05 20:37:54 <nschle85>  179        3     969152 mmcblk0p3
Sep 05 20:37:54 <nschle85>  179        8   31264768 mmcblk1
Sep 05 20:37:55 <nschle85>  179        9   28315648 mmcblk1p1
Sep 05 20:37:55 <nschle85>  179       10    2097152 mmcblk1p2
Sep 05 20:37:56 <nschle85>  179       11     786432 mmcblk1p3
Sep 05 20:38:16 <nschle85> so mmcblk0 is my external 8GB sd card
Sep 05 20:38:35 <nschle85> mount gives the following
Sep 05 20:39:16 <nschle85> mount | grep mmcblk gives:
Sep 05 20:39:59 <nschle85> Nokia-N900:/# mount | grep mmcblk
Sep 05 20:39:59 <nschle85> /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback)
Sep 05 20:39:59 <nschle85> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)
Sep 05 20:40:50 <nschle85> and mounting mmcblk0p3 fails (device or seource busy)
Sep 05 20:41:30 <nschle85> but i think there is a mismatch between mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 !
Sep 05 20:42:24 <nschle85> who ays the truth ? /cat/proc/partitions or mount ?
Sep 05 20:42:29 <nschle85> says
Sep 05 20:45:14 <radekp> nschle85: i think mmcblk0 is internal phone's MMC memory, mmcblk1 is SD card
Sep 05 20:45:56 <nschle85> radekp: i also think, but why does /cat/proc/partitions not work ?
Sep 05 20:46:00 <radekp> nschle85: i dont see anything strange about your partitions
Sep 05 20:46:17 <nschle85> radekp: look at the size
Sep 05 20:46:51 <nschle85> mmcblk0 is 8GB and mmcblk1 is 32GB
Sep 05 20:47:00 <radekp> ahh i see now
Sep 05 20:47:18 <radekp> no idea then
Sep 05 20:47:51 <angelox|laptop> Maemo auto ''creates'' a lot of partition, i don't see watch is wrong
Sep 05 20:47:55 <angelox|laptop> s/watch/what/
Sep 05 20:47:55 <apt> angelox|laptop meant: Maemo auto ''creates'' a lot of partition, i don't see what is wrong
Sep 05 20:48:11 <radekp> nschle85: but i have same output on my n900
Sep 05 20:49:51 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: the names of mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 are swapped, if mmcblk0 is internal card, then it cannot be 8GB
Sep 05 21:13:46 <jeepingben> not sure if Jama is out there, but maybe someone else knows this...
Sep 05 21:14:19 <jeepingben> My 1 line change for the accelerometer problem is in lis302dl.c, part of shr.patch
Sep 05 21:15:17 <jeepingben> I should probably also change the gta02 defconfig to include accelerometer support, I don't see that file in shr-2.6.39-nodrm, do I need to switch branches and do a separate patch for that?
Sep 05 23:08:19 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: hello i have good news :-)
Sep 05 23:10:06 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: I compiled u-boot and it starts now a standard maemo kernel :-) 
Sep 05 23:11:43 <angelox|laptop> wow
Sep 05 23:11:51 <angelox|laptop> great news :)
Sep 05 23:12:01 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: what kind of magic you did to it work? :)
Sep 05 23:13:54 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: Ali1234: mase a rebase to newer u-boot and integrated some patches. I my opinion the problem was in  atags, because they are loaded now from a different position, but that is guessed
Sep 05 23:14:04 <nschle85> s/mase/made
Sep 05 23:14:54 <angelox|laptop> hmm that makes sence
Sep 05 23:14:56 <angelox|laptop> sense *
Sep 05 23:16:49 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: this i used as codebase, it think its already integrated in shr-core
Sep 05 23:16:53 <nschle85> https://github.com/ali1234/u-boot-n900/tree/n900-v2011.06-3
Sep 05 23:17:54 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: as toolchain i used: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package2549/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2008q1-126-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2
Sep 05 23:18:12 <angelox|laptop> OE one toolchain won't work? 
Sep 05 23:18:19 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: but this toolchain i always used for previous tests
Sep 05 23:19:19 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: did not test, JaMa|Off said GCC 4.6 seems not to work, but I should test again
Sep 05 23:19:31 <angelox|laptop> hmm ok
Sep 05 23:19:47 <angelox|laptop> could you later upload your combined.bin to me?
Sep 05 23:19:58 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: but you can also try to compile: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/
Sep 05 23:20:41 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: the howto is a little bit buggy, there are 2 typos in the pathes
Sep 05 23:21:16 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: 1. s/cd u-boot-n900.git/u-boot-n900/
Sep 05 23:21:54 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: 1. s/cd u-boot-n900.git/cd u-boot-n900/
Sep 05 23:22:31 <angelox|laptop> ok then,i'll try
Sep 05 23:23:17 <angelox|laptop> thanks
Sep 05 23:23:24 <nschle85> 2. in the export PATH line: s/arm2008q1/arm-2008q1/
Sep 05 23:25:11 <angelox|laptop> ok, seems to be easy,but my internet is too slow now,and i'll take some time to download all the necessary things
Sep 05 23:26:24 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: no problem i ll go to bed
Sep 05 23:26:33 <angelox|laptop> ok,then good night :)
Sep 05 23:26:33 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: is you n900 repared ?
Sep 05 23:26:57 <angelox|laptop> i can't charge in the phone,but outsite i can,then i can flash it to test
Sep 05 23:27:30 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: is R&D mode active ?
Sep 05 23:28:06 <angelox|laptop> R&D doesn't influences in that i guess
Sep 05 23:29:15 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: Possible R&D flags:
Sep 05 23:29:15 <nschle85>   no-omap-wd
Sep 05 23:29:15 <nschle85>   no-ext-wd
Sep 05 23:29:15 <nschle85>   no-lifeguard-reset
Sep 05 23:29:15 <nschle85>   serial-console
Sep 05 23:29:16 <nschle85>   no-usb-timeout
Sep 05 23:29:16 <nschle85>   sti-console
Sep 05 23:29:17 <nschle85>   no-charging
Sep 05 23:29:17 <nschle85>   force-power-key
Sep 05 23:29:47 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: have you googled what no-charging does ?
Sep 05 23:30:11 <angelox|laptop> nope,but i guess i can understand what it is :)
Sep 05 23:30:44 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: no-charging - Disables charging via the USB port. bme will still be running in the background. 
Sep 05 23:31:06 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode
Sep 05 23:31:20 <angelox|laptop> but,if i enable that,maemo will tell me 'Charging' when i plug the USB cable?
Sep 05 23:31:57 <nschle85> you must disable the flag
Sep 05 23:32:10 <nschle85> --clear-rd-flags=no-charging
Sep 05 23:32:28 <angelox|laptop> ok
Sep 05 23:32:36 <angelox|laptop> but let's imagine that flag is ENABLED
Sep 05 23:32:46 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: ok
Sep 05 23:32:49 <angelox|laptop> When i plug the USB cable,Maemo will show 'charging' ?
Sep 05 23:32:56 <angelox|laptop> or skip the message
Sep 05 23:33:00 <nschle85> --query-rd-mode
Sep 05 23:33:03 <angelox|laptop> or show the message but don't really charge?
Sep 05 23:33:21 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: i dont know
Sep 05 23:33:34 <nschle85> you should query the flags
Sep 05 23:33:37 <angelox|laptop> ok
Sep 05 23:33:38 <angelox|laptop> let me check
Sep 05 23:33:41 <angelox|laptop> 1 minute please
Sep 05 23:33:46 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: :-)
Sep 05 23:36:47 <angelox|laptop> flasher-3.5 --query-rd-mode :The device is in production mode
Sep 05 23:37:25 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: hmmm, then i dont know
Sep 05 23:37:36 <angelox|laptop> :)
Sep 05 23:37:43 * angelox|laptop googles
Sep 05 23:37:55 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: do you try to load on a laptop or will the wall charger and usb ?
Sep 05 23:38:08 <nschle85> s/load/charge/
Sep 05 23:38:09 <apt> nschle85 meant: angelox|laptop: do you try to charge on a laptop or will the wall charger and usb ?
Sep 05 23:38:33 <angelox|laptop> nothing works
Sep 05 23:38:59 <nschle85> chnaged the cable ?
Sep 05 23:39:18 <angelox|laptop> yes
Sep 05 23:39:24 <angelox|laptop> about 3~ different chargers
Sep 05 23:39:31 <angelox|laptop> and 2~ cables
Sep 05 23:39:53 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: puhhh
Sep 05 23:40:08 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: i have no idea
Sep 05 23:40:31 <nschle85> does the message appear ?
Sep 05 23:40:35 <angelox|laptop> i'm going to send it again to warranty
Sep 05 23:40:36 <angelox|laptop> yes
Sep 05 23:40:42 <angelox|laptop> it ''charges''
Sep 05 23:40:49 <angelox|laptop> but doesn't really charge
Sep 05 23:40:55 <nschle85> strange
Sep 05 23:40:58 <angelox|laptop> i mean,it show 'I'm charging'
Sep 05 23:41:09 <angelox|laptop> but the voltage and amperage only decreases
Sep 05 23:42:42 <angelox|laptop> they said "If you send it again to our shop,and you need to send again after this,we'll give you another phone" :) (from the warranty shop)
Sep 05 23:44:28 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: ok
Sep 05 23:44:42 <angelox|laptop> then i hope they don't fix my phone :)
Sep 05 23:44:50 <angelox|laptop> and i get a new one :) hehe
Sep 05 23:44:59 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: so ill go to bed now bye :-)
Sep 05 23:45:36 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: spokoĭnoĭ nochi :)
Sep 05 23:45:58 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: spacibo bolschoe :-)
Sep 05 23:46:10 <nschle85> angelox|laptop: Gute Nacht !
Sep 05 23:47:04 <angelox|laptop> German is another language i want to learn :)
Sep 06 00:30:18 <antrik> angelox|laptop: I hope you are aware that when they say "different phone" they might actually mean a *different* one, i.e. different model?
Sep 06 00:36:27 <angelox|laptop> antrik: no,they really said "We will give you another Nokia N900 phone",maybe they still having 2 or 3 models :)
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