**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 14 02:59:57 2011 Sep 14 06:27:21 hi mrmoku Sep 14 06:27:45 I think we should talk about ACI future Sep 14 06:31:33 GNUtoo: ok, when? Sep 14 06:31:41 and with whom? Sep 14 06:32:22 when, not sure that now is the best moment since it could disconnect(I'm in a train) Sep 14 06:32:34 and I have to go to a client soon Sep 14 06:32:49 I just wanted to know what are the plans with ACI, and why it was abandoned Sep 14 06:32:57 and what it is exactly Sep 14 06:33:08 ok Sep 14 06:33:15 (do we really need it) Sep 14 06:34:25 maybe you could write a mail for a "call for someone else to continue the work" ? Sep 14 06:34:25 not sure Sep 14 06:34:26 there is two parts within the ACI concept Sep 14 06:35:03 the first one is the hook part that get's executed when something is requesting an alsa device Sep 14 06:35:18 ok Sep 14 06:35:19 which ends in requesting an audio session from fsoaudiod Sep 14 06:35:27 ok nice Sep 14 06:35:32 the second part is the actual handling of mixer controls Sep 14 06:35:37 ok Sep 14 06:35:50 the difference in ACI is that it does not set _all_ controls of the whole card Sep 14 06:36:00 just the ones need for the specific requested audio path Sep 14 06:36:03 ok Sep 14 06:36:11 (which makes a lot of sense I think) Sep 14 06:36:39 different audio paths can have different priorities and can conflict Sep 14 06:36:40 ok Sep 14 06:37:00 If a requested audio path conflicts and has a lower priority than the current one it get's denied Sep 14 06:37:44 (which then causes the hook to return an error for the requesting app or just routes the sound to the bin ... whatever we prefer) Sep 14 06:38:11 my problem right now is multiple sound cards and how to handle that Sep 14 06:39:07 if somebody else wants to pick up and do it I'm more than happy Sep 14 06:39:18 I have no alsa knowledge and I'm slow in vala... Sep 14 06:39:26 but I don't see who could that be Sep 14 06:39:32 if not morphis Sep 14 06:39:42 but he's busy doing lot's of other stuff Sep 14 06:43:05 hi all! Sep 14 06:43:38 yesterday I got bitbake running in 32-bit chroot Sep 14 06:44:19 but I could not build anything since I seem to stay root, even after su (-) bitbake Sep 14 06:45:04 I can change the sanity checker, but I expect to be able to su to bitbake as well Sep 14 06:45:10 any idea? Sep 14 06:45:37 is there an error when you do su bitbake? Sep 14 06:49:19 Heinervdm0ff : no, no error Sep 14 06:49:45 I also seem to change context, but not user Sep 14 06:50:02 OE om-gta02@shr /OE/shr-unstable # su - bitbake Sep 14 06:50:02 OE @ ~ # whoami Sep 14 06:50:02 root Sep 14 06:52:21 i never used the shr-chroot, but it should work... Sep 14 06:52:38 can you have a look at the /etc/passwd in the chroot? Sep 14 06:52:54 and look what shell is there for the bitbake user? Sep 14 06:53:15 bitbake:x:0:0::/OE:/bin/bash Sep 14 06:53:50 that's ok Sep 14 06:54:05 then su should work, no idea what's going wrong Sep 14 06:55:33 wbk: you should wait for JaMa|Off to wake up, he can help you for sure Sep 14 06:56:24 well... Sep 14 06:56:25 nothing Sep 14 06:56:33 wbk: you setup the chroot as root, right? Sep 14 06:56:45 that's wrong Sep 14 06:57:16 the bitbake user inside the chroot get's assigned the same uid as the user doing the setup Sep 14 06:57:24 which should be your normal user Sep 14 06:57:33 in your case bitbake == root Sep 14 06:58:19 right, bitbake has userid 0 Sep 14 07:01:16 heinervdmOff hmmm... yeah :-) Sep 14 07:01:22 thanks! Sep 14 07:02:48 mrmoku, sorry I was disconnected, I'll go bye Sep 14 07:13:33 * mrmoku gotta go too Sep 14 07:13:34 bbl Sep 14 07:31:58 nope :) Sep 14 07:32:09 if he returns then he has to call make update-shr-chroot Sep 14 07:32:35 which in the end replaces uid/gid in passwd with current user ids Sep 14 07:32:47 and he did git checkout manually yesterday, so he missed this sed call Sep 14 07:32:52 * JaMa|Off off to work Sep 14 08:58:02 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r2c75a9f1f4a1 10/ (457 files in 54 dirs): system upgrade Sep 14 12:16:34 JaMa|Off: hi. about bblayers.conf update I propose this kind of things http://pastebin.com/rPpZCLDi. the first one (commented) work but are called everytimes and the secodne will not if you don't have both shr-core and aurora. or we make new specific update target Sep 14 12:16:42 tell me what you prefere* Sep 14 12:19:30 anyway , I have a new patch correcting aurora/auto.conf ready to be send as morphis send me a mail this morning telling me "Ok, as long as I have commit access to these branches I am fine with this. Sep 14 12:19:31 " Sep 14 12:57:26 GarthPS: looks good, but same problem is with all conf/* files Sep 14 12:59:46 JaMa|Off: right... Sep 14 13:00:21 JaMa|Off: ok so I send you my patch for aurora for now and we will see for the rest later Sep 14 13:09:01 GarthPS: one more thing to that patch, could you please add if [ -d shr-core/openembedded-core && ! -d openembedded-core ] ; then mv shr-core/openembedded-core openembedded-core; ln -s ../openembedded-core shr-core/openembedded-core; fi and the same for meta-oe, meta-sp? Sep 14 13:13:56 JaMa|Off: I don't kn ow if I will manage to merge them... Plus there is a typo in your copmmande no? ln-s openembedded-core <=without ../ Sep 14 13:15:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r4b45d39aade7 10/ (11 files in 5 dirs): bitbake upgrade Sep 14 13:16:14 GarthPS: no it's not typo Sep 14 13:17:35 JaMa|Off: well it is call from OE so openembedded-core is just . (here) Sep 14 13:21:55 yes but the link will be in shr-core and from there it's ../oe-core Sep 14 13:22:24 JaMa|Off: hmm but there is a missing "cd shr-core" then Sep 14 13:23:08 no ? Sep 14 13:23:09 no Sep 14 13:23:28 ln -s ../foo/blah /foo2/blah2/etc Sep 14 13:23:45 JaMa|Off: :) I am missing expertise of ls, will check this right now. Sep 14 13:23:46 will create link pointing to ../foo/blah Sep 14 13:24:09 and nobody cares if ../foo/blah exists and where it's wrt pwd Sep 14 13:24:13 cwd Sep 14 13:25:45 JaMa|Off: right thx! Sep 14 13:25:53 yw Sep 14 13:26:36 g2g. will see for merging later Sep 14 13:42:36 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r0f57ff231de0 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: SHR: prefer openssl-1.0.0e Sep 14 13:42:53 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r0f57ff231de0 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: SHR: prefer openssl-1.0.0e Sep 14 13:42:53 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r532332b7b475 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-2.6.39/om-gta02/defconfig: linux-openmoko-2.6.39: enable LIS302DL module Sep 14 13:42:53 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r5e36e721e930 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-2.6.39/om-gta02/defconfig: linux-openmoko-2.6.39: touchscreen as module Sep 14 13:42:53 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r3cbe4b1ad721 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-2.6.39/shr.patch: linux-openmoko-2.6.39: ts patches again Sep 14 13:42:54 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * reefb1b768fc6 10/ (10 files in 10 dirs): meta-htc,meta-nokia,meta-openmoko,meta-palm: include xorg.conf from meta-oe/xserver-xorg-conf to xserver-xf86-config Sep 14 13:42:54 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r95495f7ca8d0 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): meta-nokia,meta-openmoko: include pointercal-xinput from meta-oe Sep 14 13:42:55 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * red9556ded2ba 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): BSPs: switch from xserver-xorg to xserver-xf86(-dri)-lite Sep 14 13:43:04 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r46e892f9b52b 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-graphics/drm/ (libdrm/glamo.patch libdrm_2.4.26.bbappend): meta-openmoko: libdrm: add glamo support Sep 14 13:43:04 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r5822c2f080a1 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: shr: set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libx11-native Sep 14 13:43:05 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r1ad1d42f5471 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-graphics/mesa/ (mesa-dri/glamo.patch mesa-dri_7.11.bbappend): meta-openmoko: mesa-dri: add glamo support Sep 14 14:22:01 JaMa|Off: I just found out why gprs0 does not work anymore on n900 Sep 14 14:22:16 JaMa|Off: fsonetworkd does not find the ifconfig binary in path due to broken shell config Sep 14 14:22:24 ah :/ Sep 14 14:22:44 if I start it after su - and before activating the context all is fine Sep 14 14:23:08 if it get's dbus-activated by fsogsmd path seems to be wrong and the ifconfig fails Sep 14 14:24:31 I see Sep 14 14:25:01 moves PATH issues even higher in todo Sep 14 14:25:11 yup :P Sep 14 14:25:22 btw oe-core has mechanism to run xserver as normal user Sep 14 14:25:33 oh, nice Sep 14 14:26:09 I thing we should resove this now when shr-core is not intended for end-users and we can break it Sep 14 14:26:20 even more then it's now :) Sep 14 14:26:29 hehe, ok Sep 14 14:26:32 TAsn: ping ;) Sep 14 14:26:57 mrmoku: have you seen ecdsa keys for sshd? Sep 14 14:27:08 ecdsa keys? Sep 14 14:27:08 mrmoku: for me openssh fails to start without them Sep 14 14:27:15 hmm Sep 14 14:27:42 my laptop seems to have an ecdsa host key Sep 14 14:28:12 and for some reason only after first boot my gta is responding to ping Sep 14 14:28:30 next boot It doesn't set ip or something.. Sep 14 14:28:59 so on gta I'm a bit stuck with this as it behaves strange Sep 14 14:29:17 like init dying because it doesn't even launch xserver Sep 14 14:45:30 do we have some nice motd ascii art? as I'm changing /etc/profile in meta-shr so I can alter motd too Sep 14 14:50:34 JaMa|Off: not that I would know one Sep 14 14:57:33 ok.. I'll use some figlet output :) Sep 14 15:00:50 mrmoku: trying to use if [ "$EUID" = "0" ] || [ "$USER" = "root" ] ; then to detect root (as gentoo does) instead of $HOME==/home/root Sep 14 15:00:59 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/475882/ Sep 14 15:18:51 JaMa|Off: :D Sep 14 15:19:06 JaMa|Off: another thing we need for gprs Sep 14 15:19:13 pn-pep must be autoloaded Sep 14 15:19:26 just in case you have something to fiddle in machine conf anyway :-) Sep 14 15:22:05 (and installed) Sep 14 15:23:13 :) Sep 14 15:23:16 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r5b72aec3a7e6 10/meta-nokia/conf/machine/nokia900.conf: meta-nokia: autoload pn-pep kernel module Sep 14 15:23:20 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r4b48fb321b9c 10/meta-shr/recipes-core/base-files/ (3 files in 2 dirs): SHR: base-files: use own profile and motd Sep 14 15:23:20 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r95760613ab0c 10/meta-shr/recipes-core/base-files/ (3 files in 2 dirs): SHR: base-files: use own profile and motd Sep 14 15:23:31 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r11db0144c71d 10/meta-nokia/conf/machine/nokia900.conf: meta-nokia: autoload pn-pep kernel module Sep 14 15:23:40 :) thx Sep 14 15:28:42 but have to rebuild&reinstall task-base manually Sep 14 15:42:12 with SHR testing I'm unable to receive SMS messages. /var/log/fsogsmd.log has no activity when an SMS /should/ be received. It works with SHR obsolete (FSO 1.0), and QtMoko, so I think it's an issue with FSO 2.0 Sep 14 15:42:33 this is on an Openmoko Neo Freerunner Sep 14 15:44:00 losinggeneration: do you have free slots for sms on SIM? Sep 14 15:44:06 yes Sep 14 16:50:48 mrmoku, should I continue ACI when the device status would be better in oe-core? Sep 14 16:50:55 hi btw Sep 14 16:51:00 I'll also import some games.... Sep 14 16:51:30 bb at home Sep 14 16:51:31 train is arriving Sep 14 17:56:57 hi GNUtoo Sep 14 17:57:06 hi Sep 14 17:57:08 good news :-) Sep 14 17:57:19 I found out why gprs does not work Sep 14 17:57:25 ok nice Sep 14 17:57:30 what was the reason? Sep 14 17:57:37 it's as simple as fsonetworkd not finding the ifconfig binary :-P Sep 14 17:57:56 JaMa|Off already fixed it (probably - did not test yet) Sep 14 17:58:18 ah ok Sep 14 17:59:53 * JaMa|Off didn't test it either Sep 14 18:00:26 that fixes the path for the terminal too of course :) Sep 14 18:06:53 dos1, thanks a lot for the keyboard fix, it'snow nearly usable(some keys are still white on white, but not the letters anymore....nice) Sep 14 18:12:14 JaMa|Off, hi Sep 14 18:12:21 the gta02 modules are installed fine.... Sep 14 18:12:30 but....they are not loaded Sep 14 18:12:31 strange Sep 14 18:12:50 I did a cleansstate of the task and the kenrel tough Sep 14 18:13:49 normally the module_autoload is in kernel.bbclass right? Sep 14 18:15:34 autoload = bb.data.getVar('module_autoload_%s' % basename, d, 1) Sep 14 18:15:55 why cleaning the kernel doesn't work? Sep 14 18:32:58 mrmoku, pong. Sep 14 18:34:28 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * rc43eb40006a2 10/meta-aurora/recipes-graphics/tslib/ (tslib/ts.conf tslib/tslib.sh tslib_git.bb): meta-aurora: drop git version of tslib; it's now in meta-openembedded Sep 14 18:40:32 heyho Sep 14 18:40:45 heyho Sep 14 18:40:47 GNUtoo: ping Sep 14 18:41:01 pong Sep 14 18:41:39 GNUtoo: see private Sep 14 18:41:49 ok Sep 14 18:43:10 btw. in shr-core everything is build with DISTRO_TYPE = "release" Sep 14 18:43:22 is it right that we can't login via ssh then without a password? Sep 14 18:43:30 I guess that disable quite some stuff Sep 14 18:43:31 or is there a default one? Sep 14 18:43:37 no it's not normal Sep 14 18:43:43 it's because of release Sep 14 18:43:51 or should I override it in my conf/local.conf? Sep 14 18:43:58 but I can login on om-gta02 trough ssh Sep 14 18:44:04 override in distro Sep 14 18:44:28 without password and with shr-core image? Sep 14 18:46:01 morphis morphis, any comment on the nexus S please Sep 14 18:46:01 no I set a password Sep 14 18:46:01 right Sep 14 18:46:01 I must test Sep 14 18:46:08 TAsn: JaMa|Off told me that oe-core supports rootless X server :) Sep 14 18:46:28 * mrmoku remembers you wanted to give it a try some weekend ago ;) Sep 14 18:46:54 mrmoku: thats something really nice Sep 14 18:47:24 I think you are talking about something else Sep 14 18:47:49 rootless X means: running an X inside an X without an X root Sep 14 18:47:49 nah, you wanted to try our stack as normal user, no? Sep 14 18:48:00 i.e the applications just run "natively" Sep 14 18:48:15 mrmoku, look at shr page about running shr as user Sep 14 18:48:16 and update it Sep 14 18:48:16 without a different X root Sep 14 18:48:39 TAsn: ok, rootless is not the correct term then Sep 14 18:48:39 16:24 < JaMa|Off> btw oe-core has mechanism to run xserver as normal user Sep 14 18:48:42 mrmoku, I wanted to run shr as a regular user. :) Sep 14 18:48:52 that's weird Sep 14 18:49:00 X needs access to devices and etc Sep 14 18:49:14 no idea about the details... Sep 14 18:49:22 but that's not our problem, our problem is the lack of inherit support for users and etc. Sep 14 18:49:38 TAsn, look at the wiki page about that Sep 14 18:49:38 and complete it Sep 14 18:49:39 and my immense lack of time Sep 14 18:49:52 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/run%20SHR%20as%20user Sep 14 18:50:03 GNUtoo, it's more about ripping the permission hogging parts of libphone-ui Sep 14 18:50:27 phoneuid works fine in non-root it seems Sep 14 18:50:37 cool Sep 14 18:50:40 :)) Sep 14 18:50:53 so just fix dbus permissions Sep 14 18:51:12 and some apps Sep 14 18:51:16 yeah Sep 14 18:51:25 but apps is a never ending story Sep 14 18:51:25 like for instance the wifi app: iliwi Sep 14 18:51:29 we let everyone assume Sep 14 18:51:37 no, only some are to be fixed Sep 14 18:51:41 they can run things as root Sep 14 18:51:48 most of them work fine Sep 14 18:51:51 GNUtoo, really? many used to access sys interfaces directly Sep 14 18:51:56 and assumed home path Sep 14 18:52:01 ah? Sep 14 18:52:02 and other ugly stuff Sep 14 18:52:02 such as? Sep 14 18:52:05 that's what I remember Sep 14 18:52:06 dunno. Sep 14 18:52:08 I am off Sep 14 18:52:08 ok Sep 14 18:52:08 gn8 Sep 14 18:52:19 GNUtoo, as for iliwi Sep 14 18:52:30 use connman Sep 14 18:52:32 :Y Sep 14 18:55:01 connman....hmmmm Sep 14 18:55:01 do we have a good connman GUI? Sep 14 18:55:01 I guess not Sep 14 18:55:01 the old connman GUI wasn't that usable Sep 14 18:55:02 iliwi was way better Sep 14 18:55:03 so you'd have to rewrite something Sep 14 18:55:04 are you up to that? Sep 14 18:55:11 Y means yes? Sep 14 18:55:18 GNUtoo: there is the gadget Sep 14 18:55:21 ok Sep 14 18:55:22 which is working Sep 14 18:55:24 now Sep 14 18:55:49 because I fear that TAsn wants a non-root system but doesn't want to invest time to make it happend Sep 14 18:57:49 yeah the gadget Sep 14 18:57:57 GNUtoo, trashing me? :P Sep 14 18:58:14 Yeah, I'm a lazy bastard, I have a barely working GTA02 Sep 14 18:58:17 which is super slow Sep 14 18:58:30 and annoying to work on, Sep 14 18:58:33 and I don't have time Sep 14 18:58:37 so I'm trying to minimize Sep 14 18:58:40 my efforts Sep 14 19:32:55 JaMa|Off, hi Sep 14 19:33:12 we need to sed s/_/-/ in module_autoload Sep 14 19:33:20 in all machines config Sep 14 19:33:24 for instance: Sep 14 19:33:30 -module_autoload_leds_gpio = "leds-gpio" Sep 14 19:33:34 +module_autoload_leds-gpio = "leds-gpio" Sep 14 19:34:58 TAsn, we are not a lot of developers and we want something that work Sep 14 19:35:05 we cannot invest time in all works Sep 14 19:35:09 we have to choose Sep 14 19:35:24 as-user is nice Sep 14 19:35:26 but we do not have the manpower for that Sep 14 19:35:27 yet Sep 14 19:36:56 yep Sep 14 19:37:11 but running as root Sep 14 19:37:19 is like a badge of shame in the linux world :P Sep 14 19:37:59 yes but complaining won't change the fact that we don't have the manpower.... Sep 14 19:38:07 only fixing it will change it Sep 14 19:38:30 I know Sep 14 19:38:36 I never complained Sep 14 19:38:41 I didn't even raise the topic Sep 14 19:38:44 all there was to it was Sep 14 19:38:59 me asking mrmoku if anyone did anything about it Sep 14 19:39:02 cause I wanna hack on it Sep 14 19:39:14 and I don't wont to redo something that someone already did Sep 14 19:39:32 basically we could fix it Sep 14 19:39:32 but we have more important things to do Sep 14 19:39:41 I mean you cannot even do a phone call in shr-core right now with om-gta02 Sep 14 19:40:17 ah ok nice!!!! Sep 14 19:40:26 yeah. :) Sep 14 19:49:55 I'll go bye Sep 14 20:21:11 hi there, how can I install proprietary drivers from hp on my palm pre? Sep 14 20:51:15 hello, does anybody know which component connects to GPS module on GTA02 ? Sep 14 20:58:04 ERROR: Unable to parse /OE/shr-core/meta-smartphone/meta-zaurus/conf/layer.conf: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/OE/shr-core/meta-smartphone/meta-zaurus/conf/layer.conf' Sep 14 21:01:30 pespin: look at shr-core/bblayers.conf please is the a entry for zaurus ? Sep 14 21:01:42 is there an Sep 14 21:02:36 nschle85, yeah, I already removed it, it's working now. Sep 14 21:02:51 ok Sep 14 21:03:32 but I thought that make update-shr-core in shr-makefile would update that file Sep 14 21:08:01 nschle85: there are two components... old ogpsd and fsogpsd which would in theory connect to the GPS Sep 14 21:09:59 mrmoku: but ogps talks to the GPS hardware and sends the data via dbus (gypsy) to fsogpsd which converts dbus (gypsy) to gpsd format true ? Sep 14 21:10:14 no Sep 14 21:10:21 actually there is no fsogpsd :P Sep 14 21:10:24 it's fsotdld Sep 14 21:10:39 and it connects to the hardware too... at least it did Sep 14 21:11:25 so what is fsogpsd and fsotdld for ? Sep 14 21:12:27 ogpsd (which is a subsystem of the python frameworkd) is for gps only Sep 14 21:12:43 fsotdld does other things too... like setting the time Sep 14 21:13:15 but is not yet a complete replacement for ogpsd (if that did not change without me noticing) Sep 14 21:14:07 how should a GPS system for N900 look like ? Sep 14 21:15:04 nschle85: PaulFertser was investigating gpsd to do a plugin IIRC Sep 14 21:15:20 I'm in no means the right one to talk here :) Sep 14 22:40:00 For bitbaking SHR-lite in 32-bit chroot as provided by SHR, how much disk space should I reserve? I keep running out of disk space on my (smallish) SSD :-( Sep 14 22:41:37 I think 4<~>6GB ,i usually erase download files to give more space Sep 14 22:42:19 angelox : ah, that explains ... :-P Sep 14 22:43:26 also check your RM WORK DIR flag (iirc that's the correct name) Sep 14 22:43:28 angelox: apart from download and tmp, which files can I (auto?) remove to start with as much free space as possible? Sep 14 22:44:15 where should I find that flag ? Sep 14 22:44:41 local.conf Sep 14 22:44:51 sorry,else download and tmp,i have no ideas :) Sep 14 22:45:22 it is: INHERIT += "rm_work" flag Sep 14 22:45:30 if you have it,then everything is ok Sep 14 22:45:42 it's a start.. and perhaps I can redirect some free space from another partiton on the same disk Sep 14 22:46:47 that's what i did when i had only a 76GB~ HD :) Sep 14 22:48:35 hahaha, mine is less than a third after formatting, go figure ;-) Sep 14 22:49:28 Within a few months I hope to work on a newer, faster, bigger system though, but for now it's shuffling files Sep 14 22:50:51 If i were you i would leave movies,clips and music for the phone,downloads for a pendrive,and leave every space to building :) Sep 14 22:53:07 that would save me about 30 meg... but akonadi and nepomuk still share some 1.5GB between them, and kontact also has about that for offline imap Sep 14 22:54:06 do you have experience getting akonadi or nepomuk to use less space, by coincidence? Sep 14 22:54:30 nope,i don't use them :) Sep 14 22:54:51 to be sincere,i don't know what does them do :) Sep 14 22:55:35 Do you use KDE or Gnome? Sep 14 22:55:48 hehe, they match pieces of data from one side of my home dir with pieces of data on the other side, so that I do not have to remember by myself ... KDE Sep 14 22:57:29 ah ok thx :) i think you should switch to another ambient (xfce or lxde) Sep 14 22:58:18 then it would save a lot of space i think Sep 14 23:01:05 it would indeed Sep 14 23:04:40 now me,i had a big problem Sep 14 23:04:49 i couldn't compile anything in my laptop Sep 14 23:05:03 it would just turn off by it's temperature :( Sep 14 23:06:04 so i opened it and cleaned..this is the first time i try to compile,let's check if it doesn't turns off :) Sep 14 23:29:21 angelox: I didn't see you dropping out of the channel, so it seems to be clean enough now ;-) Sep 14 23:30:45 wbk: yes,for now yes,but it started to compile GCC,so,good luck for me (gcc makes my laptop get hot too easily) Sep 14 23:32:21 angelox: as far as my space problem concerned: the partition is 10GB, df gives 98% used, while du gives only 6GB used. Besides that, /run/shm is mounted multiple times and with that possibly proc/kcore. Perhaps that makes up for the difference, but to be sure I'm going to fsck Sep 14 23:32:56 thanks so far, I'm off to single user mode (that is, the laptop..) for a while Sep 14 23:34:09 ok,np :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 15 02:59:57 2011