**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 02 02:59:57 2011 Oct 02 08:03:22 hi Oct 02 08:04:41 hi gnutoo Oct 02 08:11:21 hi mrmoku Oct 02 08:12:27 I've thought about multi-devices support and I think that concentrating on 1 device only not flexible enough..... Oct 02 08:13:11 basically take JaMa.....he is specialized in openembedded.... Oct 02 08:14:36 if morphis for instance has to do openembedded work for the palm pre or the nexus S for instance it would be done with lower quality that if it's beeing done by JaMa Oct 02 08:14:56 real life example: the support of the nexus S Oct 02 08:15:12 and it would also take more time Oct 02 08:16:37 but we could still put a very flexible priority for devices by person Oct 02 08:17:01 for instance when you fix something you try to fix for all debvices Oct 02 08:17:15 for instance modules autoload Oct 02 08:19:40 gnutoo: we just got to achieve somehow to have something _really_ working on at least one device Oct 02 08:19:43 however we achieve that Oct 02 08:19:53 I agree to what you said though Oct 02 08:20:52 ok Oct 02 08:22:12 however what I said cost a lot of money I guess....personally I've nearly all the devices but the palm pre....I wonder if it's doable with other people Oct 02 08:23:04 hi Oct 02 08:23:15 hi Oct 02 08:23:41 gnutoo: the thing is that _one_ dev can only use _one_ phone as daily... and that somehow is necessary to have it perfectly working Oct 02 08:23:41 so I wonder how the workflow should look because different people are specialized in different things..... Oct 02 08:23:53 yes Oct 02 08:24:19 the problem is how to achieve that? Oct 02 08:24:32 om-gta02 could be achieved Oct 02 08:24:45 *it could be done for om-gta02 Oct 02 08:25:05 I'll need to order a battery for it tough....or to find a nokia battery Oct 02 08:25:42 I'll look once I'm in italy Oct 02 08:26:09 gnutoo: nokia bl-5c is probably available at any random cellphone shop Oct 02 08:26:14 hi everybody :) Oct 02 08:26:20 At least that's the case her. Oct 02 08:27:19 mrmoku: you and me must concentrate on om-gta02 and n900 Oct 02 08:27:45 PaulFertser: what about bl6c? Oct 02 08:28:57 I also need to help morphis with nexus S btwe Oct 02 08:29:04 gnutoo: bl6c costs more, and is more rare, and it's 1200 vs 1120 for modern bl-5c variant, so no much sense in hunting it. Oct 02 08:30:56 ok Oct 02 08:41:52 paulk: ping Oct 02 08:42:15 paulk: you left a sim card in the nexus S Oct 02 08:42:30 gnutoo, pong Oct 02 08:42:36 gnutoo, ah, you're right Oct 02 08:42:42 I though it was on the other phone Oct 02 08:42:48 what should we do now? Oct 02 08:42:58 you can throw it away Oct 02 08:43:31 like cut it in 2 pieces and put it in a bin Oct 02 08:43:33 ok, if you don't need it it's fine then Oct 02 08:43:37 no I don't Oct 02 08:43:44 it came with the phone when I bought it Oct 02 08:44:07 the person who sold me the phone said he didn't need it Oct 02 08:44:09 ah ok and I guess you don't know if it works orthe pin Oct 02 08:44:11 ok Oct 02 08:44:21 there is a PIN but I don't know it, yes Oct 02 08:44:56 sorry I should have checked before Oct 02 08:45:00 ok so no issues at all Oct 02 08:45:04 nope Oct 02 08:45:10 I feared that the sim card belonged to you Oct 02 08:45:27 ok Oct 02 09:30:32 "With proper treatment, a common cold would go away in 7 days; without any, one would have to suffer for a whole week!" Oct 02 09:59:37 PaulFertser: :P Oct 02 14:06:17 morning all Oct 02 16:24:16 hi JaMa|Off Oct 02 16:24:22 hi mrmoku Oct 02 16:28:29 hi GNUtoo Oct 02 16:28:51 hi mrmoku Oct 02 16:49:33 JaMa|Off: where should I add the patch to fix glibc? Oct 02 17:46:06 hi, all. can anyone give me 'good' config for .39? Oct 02 17:48:58 gena3x, for om-gta02? Oct 02 17:49:08 yes Oct 02 17:49:10 look in meta-smartphones/meta-openmoko/... Oct 02 17:49:22 let me find it for you Oct 02 17:49:52 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob_plain;f=meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-2.6.39/om-gta02/defconfig;h=adcffc1d93f6eb8d6fa468567752db3a25774201;hb=master Oct 02 17:50:11 GNUtoo: thanks Oct 02 17:50:29 np Oct 02 17:51:03 where's morphis? Oct 02 17:54:01 gena3x: where did gena2x go? ;) Oct 02 17:54:26 PaulFertser: 2x version is logged at work. Hi Paul :) Oct 02 17:54:39 gena3x: hi, how's life going? Oct 02 17:54:50 gena3x: any Lisp/Scheme job offers by any chance? ;) Oct 02 17:56:06 PaulFertser: quite well. hm, no, sorry, only C++ and and in Spb and not yet :) Oct 02 17:56:28 gena3x: but are you going to stay at the USA for the time being? Oct 02 17:56:45 PaulFertser: i've already back, now in Spb Oct 02 17:56:54 gena3x: why if i may ask? Oct 02 17:57:45 PaulFertser: i had only several months trip, we were starting new project Oct 02 17:58:42 PaulFertser: so actually nobody were going to stay where, just to work a bit Oct 02 17:59:05 gena3x: i see, i thought you had a long term (0.5-1y or more) project there Oct 02 17:59:39 PaulFertser: 0.25y were enough for me. Oct 02 17:59:41 PaulFertser: ;) Oct 02 18:00:22 PaulFertser: what's new in moscow? Oct 02 18:00:38 PaulFertser: learning lisp? Oct 02 18:01:53 gena3x: medvedev's elected putin for president, morons marching for legalising firearms, other morons damage a bus with Zenith's fans etc. Nothing fancy, if talking about the big picture. Oct 02 18:02:57 gena3x: (lisp) i still remember the excitement i had writing fso.el and today i wrote a small function in ELisp for a pal and that reminded me of the joy :) Oct 02 18:03:51 gena3x: i'm currently hacking on barebox bootloader, then kernel and OpenWrt to boot on our custom iMX25 based board at work, quite interesting but rather frustrating (the freescale docs suck, our EE sucks) too. Oct 02 18:04:18 PaulFertser: grrr. (politics). for me it's easy to imagine people significatly worse than both putin and medvedev... Oct 02 18:04:46 gena3x: those gangsters have too much power and therefore cause much more harm in the end. Oct 02 18:04:51 imho Oct 02 18:05:33 PaulFertser: (barebox) that quite interesting. right now at work i am packaging our stuff into rpm :) Oct 02 18:09:06 gena3x: barebox is _the_ bootloader of choice now for me (well, at least where i'd need a fully-featured u-boot like bootloader). Oct 02 18:10:39 PaulFertser: never tried it, but i like it's logo :) Oct 02 18:12:58 gena3x: it has kernel buildsystem, some of the kernel ideology and layout etc. Oct 02 18:13:04 I've never seen its logo i guess. Oct 02 18:13:19 PaulFertser: on webpage :) Oct 02 18:14:41 PaulFertser: that's nice. still using freerunner or switched to n900? Oct 02 18:14:48 gena3x: my emacs-w3m has images turned off by default, i only see what i want to see (oh my, that sounds sooo suggestive) Oct 02 18:15:00 gena3x: still can't use n900 though i really would like to. Oct 02 18:15:40 PaulFertser: ah, you mean that shr still not working, but meamo has no emacs? Oct 02 18:16:12 gena3x: no, maemo has no phone functionality. Oct 02 18:17:27 PaulFertser: i thought you should like hw kerboard, because emacs with with virtual keyboard is great pain :) Oct 02 18:17:36 PaulFertser: btw i bought n900 Oct 02 18:18:09 PaulFertser: a was surprised that actually freerunned is updated much more than maemo :) Oct 02 18:18:26 *and Oct 02 18:19:24 gena3x: n900 is faster, battery lasts longer, its hardware keyboard is nice, its screen is ok, its GSM module is faster, it has USB2.0 support etc etc. But without GSM functionality it means nothing for me, i still need something to answer calls and i do not really want to carry both nokia 1100 and n900 for that. Oct 02 18:20:07 PaulFertser: what's wrong with GSM on n900 from your point of view? Oct 02 18:20:31 gena3x,the sound quality is bad during calls with SHR Oct 02 18:20:43 gena3x: being unsupported by software. The chip itself seems to be fine. Oct 02 18:22:16 gena3x: also, i'm still unsure if the battery life when using kernels with sane-looking versions is any good. It looks like nobody can neither confirm nor deny that? (really? or am i misunderstanding your guys?) Oct 02 18:22:42 ah, i limit myself to maemo, bought new 32gb flash to install debian/armhf, but... i decided to spend time on freerunner kernel instead. Oct 02 18:25:02 glamo still puzzle me Oct 02 18:25:49 gena3x: what's on your current todo list wrt that? ;) Oct 02 18:26:25 gena3x: btw, do you know i can clearly hear a high-pitch buzz all the time i keep my finger pressed on TS? Oct 02 18:26:38 PaulFertser: btw, have you tested the qi package from debian? Oct 02 18:28:35 PaulFertser: for now plan is simple - compile and test latest .39 :) if i'll find no bugs in process, next step will be testing of the sd patch by Lars. Oct 02 18:29:09 lindi-: oh, sorry, no i haven't. Oct 02 18:29:25 PaulFertser: i know many other puzzles in fr's kernel to solve, so choise is wide :) Oct 02 18:29:59 gena3x: i like how you still enjoy it, i'm sort of given up for now. Oct 02 18:30:07 lindi-: hi timo, so you finally packaged some bootloader into debian? Are you happy? :) Oct 02 18:30:44 gena3x: yes it's in debian now Oct 02 18:31:51 gena3x: I would probably have liked mainlined u-boot patches instead but that does not seem to be happening so this is a good alternative Oct 02 18:32:12 so now the focus is to get the kernel to debian :) Oct 02 18:34:08 PaulFertser: for me process of solving tricky issues is interesting, and fr's kernel is nice material. Oct 02 18:34:28 PaulFertser: so seem i have no reason to give up :) Oct 02 18:35:20 gena3x: you're probably using another cellphone as a daily phone then ;) Oct 02 18:36:54 PaulFertser: i tried n900 for a while, it's nice to have 3g, but actually i switched back to freerunner yesterday and it just works well. Oct 02 18:37:36 PaulFertser: it's easy to flash working kernel back :) Oct 02 18:38:12 gena3x: agreed. Oct 02 18:38:29 PaulFertser: ok, nice to hear you, i want to try .39 now. Oct 02 18:39:06 gena3x: good luck :) Oct 02 18:45:13 gena3x: do you know if any new patches have been mainlined since we started using .34? Oct 02 19:03:59 lindi-: i don't know. i skipped many months only were reading maillist, so no idea about any kind of statuses. Oct 02 20:27:59 mrmoku: oe-core-contrib/shr and send to oe-core ml for inclusion upstream Oct 02 20:29:16 JaMa|Off: ok, thx. Will try that Oct 02 21:03:11 Hello all, when booting aurora, I get one simple phone application, is that all there is or am I missing something ? Oct 02 21:05:38 Yoram: hi Oct 02 21:05:47 Yoram: yes,for now,it's just that Oct 02 21:05:53 s/now/this release/ Oct 02 21:05:54 angelox|laptop meant: Yoram: yes,for this release,it's just that Oct 02 21:06:03 angelox|laptop: OK Oct 02 21:07:20 Yoram: the idea (QML GUI on top of FSO) seems great so I was imptatient... Oct 02 21:08:29 in next release you'll have an App Launcher,a Virtual Keyboard and a Settings Applications Oct 02 21:09:25 angelox|laptop: where is the store with the many applications ? :) Oct 02 21:10:35 there isn't one yet :) Oct 02 21:11:30 angelox|laptop: soon. bery soon Oct 02 21:11:45 we hope :) Oct 02 21:18:44 Someone should start a humor section in openmoko WIKI... Oct 02 21:34:48 angelox|laptop: how do I make aurora work correctly with neo freerunner ts and display ? Oct 02 21:42:25 Yoram, we prefer adding humor to names, such as the word "Stable" in SHR name hehe :P Oct 02 21:42:50 yap Oct 02 21:48:14 pespin: or maybe to start a war over the question if next iphone-killer will be written in Qt or EFL ? ... Oct 02 21:49:37 Yoram, well, in gtk+ for sure not :P Oct 02 21:50:14 pespin: I prefer ncurses over GTK :) Oct 02 21:53:15 Yoram: emacs! :) Oct 02 21:53:51 i suppose PaulFertser can agree with me :D Oct 02 21:54:31 dos1|N900: I am a (not g)vim person, so lets not even start Oct 02 21:55:14 unless we want to argue which editor will be used to write the next Oct 02 21:56:40 nano FTW Oct 02 21:56:43 hehe ;) Oct 02 21:57:21 dos1|N900: I can't even write my vimrc with nano Oct 02 21:57:38 Yoram: but i wasn't talking about editor Oct 02 21:57:51 Yoram: there is real FSO interface for emacs :) Oct 02 21:58:38 dos1|N900: that why people say "emacs is a very nice OS, it only needs a good text editor"... Oct 02 21:59:22 dos1|N900: No offense Oct 02 22:00:34 i wonder if anyone can still be really offenced by this saying :D Oct 02 22:00:40 it's funny Oct 02 22:00:50 anyway, anyone uses what they like Oct 02 22:01:29 that's the beauty of free software Oct 02 22:01:45 dos1|N900: BTW, I was in richard stallman's lecture and asked myself if I sould say that, at the end I wasn't. of course anyone uses what they like, it's just a joke Oct 02 22:01:59 dos1|N900: I also like to0 make fun of my vim..... Oct 02 22:12:50 Yoram: BTW. i don't use emacs :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 03 02:59:57 2011