**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 19 02:59:57 2011 Oct 19 05:54:26 leviathan: ok :P Oct 19 06:01:11 JaMa: so Oct 19 06:01:19 JaMa: .... meta-toolchain Oct 19 06:01:33 did not find it because I was looking in task directories :) Oct 19 06:09:30 mrmoku: use find or ls */*/foo*bar Oct 19 06:12:43 :) Oct 19 07:28:09 hi , there Oct 19 07:30:30 hitmoon: i think the best start are these two pages: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Device%20Porting%20Guide http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Android%20Porting%20Guide Oct 19 07:30:59 i already read Oct 19 07:31:40 and build a om-gta02 shr-image Oct 19 07:32:22 with shr-core? Oct 19 07:32:33 shr-unstable Oct 19 07:33:03 but, it's not fit my device Oct 19 07:33:14 so , port is needed Oct 19 07:35:21 first you should find out what SOC your device is using Oct 19 07:36:02 perhaps there is an other device with the same chip already supported by SHR Oct 19 07:36:48 I have not found yet Oct 19 07:37:04 my phone use MSM7230 Oct 19 07:41:19 thats the same chip as the HP Veer Oct 19 07:41:26 yes Oct 19 07:41:39 so morphis can probably help you too Oct 19 07:42:47 is he porting veer? Oct 19 07:43:35 it's on his todo list i think Oct 19 07:43:49 he has done most of the work for the palm pre Oct 19 07:48:39 thank you, HeinervdmOff Oct 19 08:05:51 I can not understand follow instructions: Oct 19 08:06:10 1: add g_ether(so you can ssh into your phone) compiled in the kernel(easier debugging) Oct 19 08:06:47 how to add? in witch directory? Oct 19 08:07:16 2: remove paranoid network Oct 19 08:08:31 where is the file to remove? Oct 19 08:23:01 JaMa: possible meta-toolchain builds older toolchain than what we actually use for shr-core? Oct 19 08:24:30 ie gcc? possible, but not very likely. Oct 19 08:24:39 I'll recheck our preferred versions Oct 19 08:25:33 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rc33d0d1e2b09 10/ (4134 files in 380 dirs): system upgrade & rebuild Oct 19 08:27:18 ^ 312MB commit :/ Oct 19 08:28:00 JaMa: did not check versions yet... just noticed it does not fail on building the old kernel Oct 19 08:28:12 though it fails to to link :/ Oct 19 08:28:17 LD arch/arm/boot/compressed/vmlinux Oct 19 08:28:17 /usr/local/oecore-x86_64-arm/sysroots/x86_64-oesdk-linux/usr/bin/armv7a-vfp-neon-oe-linux-gnueabi/arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-ld: libgcc.a: No such file: No such file or directory Oct 19 08:32:05 mrmoku: seems also 4.6% Oct 19 08:32:24 mrmoku: forcing arm didn't help? Oct 19 08:32:52 JaMa: did not try that... wanted to patch the kernel instead... and try with a toolchain Oct 19 08:33:24 to speed up trying Oct 19 08:33:28 mrmoku: building toolchain? IIRC there were some toolchain-related cleanups planned in OE back-in-the-good-days, have they haken place since? Oct 19 08:33:46 zub: no idea... in shr-unstable we had a working toolchain Oct 19 08:33:48 toolchain as in "standalone toolchain" Oct 19 08:33:53 yup Oct 19 08:34:09 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/sdk/ Oct 19 08:34:13 maybe I should give this new-and-better-OE a try... one day :) Oct 19 08:39:28 to finally build libeflvala :) Oct 19 08:40:45 JaMa: maybe meta-toolchain-sdk is the correct one? Oct 19 08:42:38 mrmoku: what did you build before? openembedded-core/meta/recipes-core/meta/meta-toolchain.bb Oct 19 08:43:04 but missing libgcc.a seems like bug Oct 19 08:43:45 mrmoku: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded.core/5993 Oct 19 08:45:51 JaMa: hmm Oct 19 08:46:02 JaMa: yeah, meta-toolchain is what I built Oct 19 08:46:18 building meta-toolchain-sdk now Oct 19 08:49:47 so it builds meta/recipes-core/meta/meta-toolchain-gmae.bb right? Oct 19 08:56:01 JaMa: it built lots of stuff... Oct 19 08:56:05 and finally failed :/ Oct 19 08:56:06 | ERROR: Function 'do_compile' failed (see /OE/shr-core/tmp/work/armv7a-vfp-neon-oe-linux-gnueabi/eds-dbus-2.30+git1+7337d11aed576e7caaa12b4e881ad8d33668799f-r1/temp/log.do_compile.23408 for further information) Oct 19 08:56:27 guess I will drop the toolchain idea for now Oct 19 08:56:32 and build the kernel with oe Oct 19 09:00:03 good morning Oct 19 10:39:58 radekp, mrmoku: good morning Oct 19 10:40:04 dry again xD Oct 19 10:40:20 screw this guy Oct 19 10:40:30 I tried to constructively argue with him Oct 19 10:40:33 he too Oct 19 10:40:35 but Oct 19 10:40:39 leviathan: hi Oct 19 10:40:43 he just has a definition Oct 19 10:40:46 a dogma Oct 19 10:41:30 leviathan: RMS and the situation about wifi firmware? Oct 19 10:41:35 yes Oct 19 10:41:48 -.- Oct 19 10:41:56 I had a discussion with him yesterday Oct 19 10:42:00 let's say Oct 19 10:42:06 it was really pointless Oct 19 10:42:18 he doesn't even accept the idea Oct 19 10:42:21 of a chip Oct 19 10:42:35 where you *might* be able to upload unfree firmware Oct 19 10:42:43 which btw Oct 19 10:42:47 makes you unfree >_< Oct 19 10:43:10 but as I remember it was going to escalate this way Oct 19 10:43:12 anyway Oct 19 10:43:21 I just say: Oct 19 10:43:26 has anyone considered HW 2 versions - one with the stupid chip and one without? Oct 19 10:43:27 screw this guy Oct 19 10:43:44 NO Oct 19 10:43:49 i mean 2 hw versions Oct 19 10:43:55 no Oct 19 10:44:11 you can use the firmware Oct 19 10:44:19 or you don't have to use the firmware Oct 19 10:44:23 if you don't install it Oct 19 10:45:04 it's not unfree Oct 19 10:45:12 then you just can't use wifi Oct 19 10:45:18 but you still have the chip on it Oct 19 10:45:28 in case there will be some free firmware available some day Oct 19 10:45:29 ... Oct 19 10:46:17 * radekp aggrees Oct 19 10:46:45 * leviathan is glad about that :-) Oct 19 10:48:35 leviathan: you work now on 3.1 kernel? Oct 19 10:55:27 radekp: sry, was smoking Oct 19 10:55:30 radekp: yes Oct 19 10:56:33 leviathan: is it usable? is there any status page? Oct 19 10:56:34 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rbec1e0ff9fe7 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/include/preferred-shr-versions.inc: SHR: drop pulseaudio P_V Oct 19 10:56:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r1be43ac67afe 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: meta-shr: add abiword provider Oct 19 10:57:25 radekp: it boots up Oct 19 10:57:37 but somehow gui is still not working Oct 19 10:57:55 framebuffer somehow Oct 19 10:57:56 well Oct 19 10:58:42 hmm oki Oct 19 10:58:57 something with the timing of the fbdevice leads to a crash of the driver when I try to start qtmoko v36 Oct 19 10:59:22 i just gut the shadow of the ts-calibration tool Oct 19 10:59:27 *get Oct 19 10:59:47 i think i will start with 2.6.32 for stable releases and when 3.1 starts working it will be my unstable Oct 19 11:02:42 radekp: k! Oct 19 11:02:43 :-) Oct 19 11:12:12 leviathan: gui works for me Oct 19 11:12:58 leviathan: I'm missing sound and backlight... saw some commented stuff in the board file Oct 19 11:20:48 Helloo guys! Oct 19 11:35:35 JaMa: something pulls in udev into my gta04 image... how to find out what? bb -g is giving lots of packages that depend on udev... Oct 19 11:38:41 zub: somehow connman does not work on gta02... works fine on n900 Oct 19 11:38:53 zub: so your secret project might still be of interest :-) Oct 19 11:41:59 mrmoku: yay! :) Oct 19 11:42:28 mrmoku: btw. pespin also sees the genlist sigsegv issue, so at least something is reproducible Oct 19 11:43:17 :) Oct 19 11:44:32 not to mention it's not secret :-P Oct 19 11:46:44 mrmoku: do you have image with testlab enabled? Oct 19 11:46:57 mrmoku: maybe gpsd-utils? Oct 19 11:50:12 does anyone know how to figure out why my uImage-palmpre2.bin does not boot ? Oct 19 11:50:34 for now I have to use the one built with shr-u.. Oct 19 11:56:06 JaMa: yeah have a testlab... all packages other than udev seem to depend on libudev0 only Oct 19 12:00:58 radekp: the problem is that we have some very bad documented display controler within the LCD of the gta02/04 Oct 19 12:01:14 we have some kind of pseudo-spi Oct 19 12:01:20 made with gpio-bitbanging Oct 19 12:01:30 then we have an LED control Oct 19 12:01:36 which controls the backlight Oct 19 12:01:42 which is on GPIO 175 Oct 19 12:01:46 when I remember right Oct 19 12:02:17 so I have to implement backlight with PWM on this pin Oct 19 12:03:32 oki Oct 19 12:04:31 JaMa: OE om-gta04@shr ~/shr-core/tmp/deploy/images/om-gta04/shr-lite-20111017-om-gta04-testlab $ grep ' udev' depends.dot Oct 19 12:04:34 udev -> udev_utils; Oct 19 12:05:50 btw: am I on the internet now? O_o Oct 19 12:06:03 I mean Oct 19 12:06:05 as video Oct 19 12:06:14 because now I can remember again Oct 19 12:06:17 there were cams Oct 19 12:06:44 my spoken english especially when 1k5 people or so are within the room, watching you Oct 19 12:06:49 isn't the very best Oct 19 12:06:51 >_< Oct 19 12:19:37 finaly NOTE: package task-shr-feed-1.0-r96: task do_rm_work_all: Succeeded Oct 19 12:19:46 mrmoku: and udev-utils? Oct 19 12:20:57 JaMa: would have been catched by my grep too Oct 19 12:21:00 mrmoku: hmm weird.. I was reading it wrong way Oct 19 12:21:22 mrmoku: -e -b your_image and check IMAGE_INSTALL Oct 19 12:23:40 ok Oct 19 12:24:33 leviathan: gui works fine for me including touchscreen... minus backlight handling Oct 19 12:25:13 IMAGE_INSTALL="task-core-boot task-base-extended initscripts udev Oct 19 12:28:08 mrmoku: which image is that? Oct 19 12:28:32 shr-lite-image Oct 19 12:28:56 mrmoku: IMAGE_DEV_MANAGER_om-gta04 = "" to shr-core/meta-smartphone/meta-shr/recipes-shr/images/shr-image.inc Oct 19 12:29:59 JaMa: gah...thx Oct 19 12:30:02 * mrmoku feels stupid now Oct 19 12:31:15 * JaMa hates waf Oct 19 12:31:52 I've just created binary patch to patch waf script to call sed after downloading wafadmin with wrong vala --version detection :0 Oct 19 12:32:10 then pushed whole waf binary to OE instead Oct 19 12:36:59 JaMa: WAF is something for javascript? Oct 19 12:37:01 right? Oct 19 12:38:36 not exactly.. it's python based build system Oct 19 12:38:36 some strange build system Oct 19 12:54:05 hmm Oct 19 12:54:08 okee Oct 19 12:54:13 well Oct 19 12:54:30 since I'm using scratchbox2 I'm enjoying apt-get source -b :-) Oct 19 12:55:04 leviathan: and if you try to build midori? :) Oct 19 12:55:13 ? O_o Oct 19 12:55:15 what then? Oct 19 12:55:33 it's running on qemu-arm Oct 19 12:55:42 running waf on qemu-arm :) Oct 19 12:55:42 debian sid Oct 19 12:55:55 and if you have dirty vala like 0.12.1-dirty it will fail the same for you Oct 19 12:55:56 hmm? Oct 19 12:56:02 hmm Oct 19 12:56:05 well Oct 19 12:56:08 waf is used to build ie midory Oct 19 12:56:16 gentoo has something very handy Oct 19 12:56:17 midori Oct 19 12:56:24 which no other system seems to have Oct 19 12:56:28 but maybe I'm wrong Oct 19 12:56:31 revdep-rebuild Oct 19 12:56:52 does bitbake have this? Oct 19 12:56:56 no Oct 19 12:57:09 it should really be introduced :-> Oct 19 12:57:19 and on gentoo it's now "integrated" to portage-2.2 itself Oct 19 12:57:30 yes Oct 19 12:57:43 we should integrate it into bitbake as well Oct 19 12:57:49 that's how it should be solved in bitbake.. Oct 19 12:58:03 yes Oct 19 12:58:12 @preserved-rebuild -> list of recipes which need to be rebuild+PR bumped after last upgrade Oct 19 12:58:39 but shlibs are not keeping track of such dependees iirc Oct 19 13:04:02 hmm Oct 19 13:04:09 as I understood Oct 19 13:04:20 gentoo is just checking libraries and executables Oct 19 13:04:27 for consistency Oct 19 13:07:53 but it's not checking whole filesystem for inconsistency while upgrading some lib IMHO it's using just files like this /var/db/pkg/dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3/NEEDED /var/db/pkg/dev-lang/python-2.7.2-r3/NEEDED.ELF.2 Oct 19 13:08:08 and revdep-rebuild is when you want to check whole filesystem Oct 19 13:08:51 grep -R somelib /var/db/pkg will be much faster than calling objdump on every lib/binary in filesystem Oct 19 14:07:08 JaMa: btw. ARM_INSTRUCTION_SET = "arm" Oct 19 14:07:10 did not help Oct 19 14:11:24 mrmoku: should I try to find that patch I was using? Oct 19 14:12:07 JaMa: if there is a chance... that would be of great help Oct 19 14:12:28 I failed to find some usefull patch Oct 19 14:12:42 hmm... Gnutoo said htcdream is using 2.6.32 too Oct 19 14:13:20 mrmoku: btw there are 3 gcc patches for oe-core/meta-oe.. but I don't suppose they are fixing it Oct 19 14:13:38 actually I had more thumb issues now with them then buildhost without them Oct 19 14:14:06 yeah, its a kernel issue Oct 19 14:17:44 mrmoku: did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5/+bug/669912 Oct 19 14:19:30 JaMa: i found two ubuntu patches... though my build fails somewhere else Oct 19 14:19:38 that one I did not see yet Oct 19 14:23:11 JaMa: hmm... maybe I just try with that patch Oct 19 14:25:22 mrmoku: I would try to compare AFLAGS from your version and something newer which works Oct 19 14:25:32 or build flags in general.. Oct 19 14:33:24 JaMa: my version has no AFLAGS :) Oct 19 15:09:46 JaMa|Off: finally found something usefull :-) Oct 19 15:09:47 http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/ELDK-5/QuestionsAndAnswers#Cannot_compile_Linux_kernel_vers Oct 19 15:18:01 JaMa|Off: yay, it built :-D Oct 19 15:26:18 good afternoon people Oct 19 15:40:08 moo Oct 19 15:42:18 leviathan: I sent a patch for the old kernel to gta04-owner Oct 19 15:42:40 yo DocScrutinizer Oct 19 15:43:23 mrmoku: duh, please don't stop to pester me about that battery. Otherwise I'll forget about it. Sorry Oct 19 15:44:55 DocScrutinizer: :P Oct 19 15:45:29 leviathan: heh, sent with the wrong from address... message is awaiting moderation :P Oct 19 15:54:01 * mrmoku dinner Oct 19 18:05:11 TAsn: Hi Tom Oct 19 18:05:34 Yoram, hey, sup? Oct 19 18:06:19 I don't really need support, I'm debugging now some crashes in new build of enlightenment + efl Oct 19 18:06:43 TAsn: I need support :-) Oct 19 18:06:59 Xlib: extension "DPMS" missing on display ":0.0". Oct 19 18:06:59 xinit: connection to X server lost Oct 19 18:07:18 TAsn: Just wanted to say Hin because you are probably don't remember but we have met one... :) Oct 19 18:07:40 Yoram, IIRC it was a long time ago, August penguin 09, right? Oct 19 18:07:54 Yoram, but we chatted here/ML a couple of times. :) Oct 19 18:08:05 mrmoku, haha, no idea. Oct 19 18:08:19 TAsn: thing is e shuts down after that :/ Oct 19 18:08:20 It seems though that Xlib: extension "DPMS" missing on display ":0.0". Oct 19 18:08:21 and Oct 19 18:08:24 TAsn: No, you where intreviewing me for job in (where you waork) Oct 19 18:08:25 xinit: connection to X server lost Oct 19 18:08:29 Yoram, ahhh righttt Oct 19 18:08:32 I remember now Oct 19 18:09:02 * mrmoku should have posted the following to get attention ;) Oct 19 18:09:03 waiting for X server to shut down <<<< Enlightenment Error >>>> Oct 19 18:09:07 I remembered we met, and remembered we chatted here/ML Oct 19 18:09:16 I thought it was august penguin, but I guess I was wrong :) Oct 19 18:09:20 yeah, I remember now. Oct 19 18:09:36 mrmoku, omg omg, you now have my full attention! ;p Oct 19 18:09:47 mrmoku, No idea, really, could be anything. :) Oct 19 18:10:48 TAsn: it is *NOT* anything... it's a gta04 :) Oct 19 18:10:54 damn I'm tired. Oct 19 18:11:00 mrmoku, now you got my attention ;P Oct 19 18:11:05 :P Oct 19 18:11:11 got it today? Oct 19 18:11:24 no, some day ago Oct 19 18:11:36 actually monday IIRC Oct 19 18:11:45 ah, so not that long ago Oct 19 18:12:02 long enough to have my first SHR running on it :) Oct 19 18:12:03 it's the same screen/touch screen/case, right? Oct 19 18:12:21 yup Oct 19 18:12:32 sucks :P Oct 19 18:12:39 no :) Oct 19 18:12:56 I want to see SHR on a super amoled hd 4.65 with capacitive ts :P Oct 19 18:13:02 a capacitive* Oct 19 18:13:17 TAsn: well... I gave up waiting for a free Samsung phone ;) Oct 19 18:13:56 hehe, yeah, I think it took raster more than he expected Oct 19 18:14:10 though tbh, samsung were ok with that Oct 19 18:14:28 I saw your device sitting on raster's desk in it's box Oct 19 18:14:32 :P Oct 19 18:14:42 :) Oct 19 18:14:42 your/someone's :P Oct 19 18:14:51 probably not mine... Oct 19 18:14:58 I was j/k anyway. Oct 19 18:16:52 mrmoku: execpt of the ts/case issue (really sad), how good is the GTAo4 hardare ? Oct 19 18:17:39 Yoram, in my pov, it's the most important thing :) Oct 19 18:18:12 Yoram: nice... very fast compared to what was in the case before :) Oct 19 18:18:14 TAsn: It important and it defnately a problem Oct 19 18:18:17 mrmoku, first see why the heck you don't have dpms, then check why the x server died. :) Oct 19 18:19:12 TAsn: it did not crash... it shut down for some reason Oct 19 18:19:21 [491954.038] Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. Oct 19 18:19:27 ah, weird. Oct 19 18:19:51 I guess everything is exactly the same as the n900 (except for drivers and possibly configurations), right? Oct 19 18:21:19 TAsn: not exactly... the processor is the same... at least more or less Oct 19 18:21:34 but the gta04 has completely different modem Oct 19 18:21:45 and nice gadgets Oct 19 18:21:51 like barometer... thermometer Oct 19 18:22:05 I'm talking about your image build settings Oct 19 18:22:09 I'm trying to see what's wrong Oct 19 18:22:11 :) Oct 19 18:22:11 ahh ok Oct 19 18:22:14 :P Oct 19 18:22:54 hmm... Oct 19 18:23:16 mrmoku: One nedds a barometer to messure how much pressure he can take from Openmoko touchscreen :) Oct 19 18:23:25 :) Oct 19 18:24:52 lol Oct 19 18:25:00 BTW, everyone, I asked this question before but nobodu knew for sure - can SHR work on HP pre 3 ? Oct 19 18:25:13 actually, baremeters are important, finally we'll be able to measure height more accurately Oct 19 18:25:29 and possibly improve gps positioning by it. :) Oct 19 18:25:47 Yoram: for HP morphis is the one to ask Oct 19 18:26:04 TAsn: how ? barometer can only measure differential of height Oct 19 18:26:18 so you need to be precise at some point Oct 19 18:26:43 TAsn: indeed... next time we're surpassing some montain and wifey and kids ask how high we are... I can tell them... very, very acurately :) Oct 19 18:26:58 iTAsn: yes, a barometer will make applications like the one testing how high can you throw your n900 more accurate.... Oct 19 18:27:21 lol. Oct 19 18:27:34 there suc app in maemo Oct 19 18:27:49 phh, you can get the correct information online Oct 19 18:28:07 (of the expected pressure at a location) Oct 19 18:28:15 TAsn: I ordered my son not to use it.... Oct 19 18:28:21 and then calibrate yourself according to that. Oct 19 18:28:24 TAsn: mmm interesting Oct 19 18:28:36 how precise can you expect it to be ? Oct 19 18:28:48 phh, that's just a speculation, but iirc airplanes use barometers for height information. Oct 19 18:29:01 phh, no idea, I'm no expert on the matter, I just know it's possible. Oct 19 18:29:03 TAsn: yeah well, airplanes doesn't care about more or less 100 meters. Oct 19 18:29:28 not true Oct 19 18:29:53 they need to be dead on accurate on landings if the landing beacons don't work Oct 19 18:29:54 TAsn: all extension modules are missing (xorg) Oct 19 18:30:15 TAsn: i highly doubt they use barometers for landing Oct 19 18:30:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altimeter#Use_in_aircraft Oct 19 18:30:47 mrmoku, sucks. Oct 19 18:31:11 phh: this one at maemo is pretty correct as it uses some common sense rather than brute force to evaluate the height Oct 19 18:31:41 TAsn: yeah well according to this link, only "radar altimeters" are used for landing Oct 19 18:31:54 phh, yeah, the landing beacons I was talking about Oct 19 18:32:26 but if they don't work, you need other means of measuring height Oct 19 18:32:39 But as I said, I'm no expert, I just know a thing or two Oct 19 18:33:40 phh, ahh you were talking about a radar altimeter, not a beacon Oct 19 18:33:42 sorry, misread Oct 19 18:33:43 :) Oct 19 18:33:52 TAsn: I don't think absolute height is important for landing, its more a question of your distanse from the ground.... Oct 19 18:33:56 * DocScrutinizer yawns Oct 19 18:34:00 well i'm guessing radar altimeter uses beacons but hum Oct 19 18:34:14 phh, like any other radar, but I was talking about something else Oct 19 18:34:20 airports have landing beacons Oct 19 18:34:32 phh: radar altimeters use radar ;-D Oct 19 18:34:41 DocScrutinizer: hence beacons :p Oct 19 18:35:37 * mrmoku installed elementary tests and tried out TAsn's ui mirroring :) Oct 19 18:35:42 GPS is probably accurate enough but not reliable Oct 19 18:35:50 beacons are for distance to runway and only for that. Except the RF "lighthouses" that are used to triangulate your position Oct 19 18:36:11 that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system Oct 19 18:36:12 horizontal distance Oct 19 18:36:58 lindi-, I really don't think so, and also, they have bigger/smaller issues depending on where you are on the globe (with heights). Oct 19 18:37:38 height on GPS is WAY too inaccurate for actual touchdown Oct 19 18:38:14 unless it's D-GPS Oct 19 18:38:25 An altimeter, used along with a topographic map, can help to verify one's location. It is more reliable, and often more accurate, than a GPS receiver for measuring altitude; GPS may be unavailable, for example, when one is deep in a canyon, or may give wildly inaccurate altitudes when all available satellites are near the horizon. Oct 19 18:38:56 indeed Oct 19 18:40:15 altitude radar gives accuracies in cm range, form several 100m down to touchdown Oct 19 18:41:15 classic barometers are used primarily for climb/dive meters Oct 19 18:41:51 esp on sailing Oct 19 18:42:11 err gliding Oct 19 18:42:13 and skydivers Oct 19 18:42:14 yeah Oct 19 18:42:37 barometers are used on boats, but for other purposes. :) Oct 19 18:43:11 sure, just in German there's no diff between sailing and gliding, both is "segeln" Oct 19 18:44:40 sailplaine humm Oct 19 18:45:18 ah Oct 19 18:45:22 is a sailplane gliding or can it sail? Oct 19 18:45:36 never heard of the term sailplane Oct 19 18:45:48 ~dict sailplane Oct 19 18:45:50 glider/gliding Oct 19 18:45:51 Dictionary 'sailplane' (2 of 3): aircraft supported only by the dynamic action of air against its surfaces ;; aeroplane, airlift, airplane, balloon, be airborne, cruise, drift, ferry, flit, fly, glide, glider, gliding machine, hop, hover, hydroplane, jet, navigate, rocket glider, sail, seaplane, soar, take the air, take wing, volplane, wing. Oct 19 18:46:24 just checked wikipedia, yeah, glider = sailplane Oct 19 18:46:28 never heard of the latter though Oct 19 18:46:58 I think that it's "flying"/"gliding" in this case Oct 19 18:47:04 cause you either fly a plane or glide a glider Oct 19 18:47:17 bottom line: I think sailing is limited to boats Oct 19 18:47:20 ~dict sailing Oct 19 18:47:22 Dictionary 'sailing' (2 of 8): riding in a sailboat ;; the activity of flying a glider . Oct 19 18:47:31 ok, wrong again. :P Oct 19 18:48:51 in order stop this wrongness-streak before it gets out of hand, I'll be leaving now. Oct 19 18:48:56 Gotta grab myself something to eat. Oct 19 18:49:16 * DocScrutinizer ponders getting out ot getting nap Oct 19 18:49:25 or* Oct 19 18:50:52 DocScrutinizer: yep of course I was thinking using several openmokos :) Oct 19 18:51:46 does the 2.6.35 have runtime PM? Oct 19 18:51:50 like for wifi Oct 19 18:51:56 hi btw Oct 19 19:07:58 hi! Oct 19 19:08:11 do anyone know where I could find an autotool-ized version of android? Oct 19 19:09:03 you meant adb Oct 19 19:09:11 adb yes Oct 19 19:09:23 Android seems a bit hard to autotool-ize Oct 19 19:09:37 it's possible tough Oct 19 19:09:44 there was an oe fork for android Oct 19 19:10:00 I think they were able to build a toolchain Oct 19 19:10:07 for having an NDK Oct 19 19:10:09 nice Oct 19 19:10:14 it's old now Oct 19 19:10:18 not developed anymore Oct 19 19:12:27 Also, http://nbd.name/blog/?p=36 and he still has a git repo with stuff. Oct 19 19:13:14 wow ok Oct 19 19:13:47 Android sucks so much though, i can't see why anybody can be interested ;) Oct 19 19:14:04 to have a better build system to builds apps for it Oct 19 19:14:45 imagine for instance the power of openembedded to build android apps, but then there would be the non-standardness issue Oct 19 19:15:10 But to use android apps one needs to have android running... Oct 19 19:15:16 yes Oct 19 19:15:21 I mean for instance Oct 19 19:15:27 take any android device Oct 19 19:15:34 and build for instance wesnoth for it Oct 19 19:15:44 for instance using virtual/libsdl Oct 19 19:15:49 and similar stuff Oct 19 19:16:03 or console stuff Oct 19 19:16:12 like build screen,vim,emacs,busybox etc... Oct 19 19:16:27 of course some patches would need to be integrated Oct 19 19:16:34 because even the libc is non-standard Oct 19 19:16:59 I meant different with reguards to libc Oct 19 19:17:15 because there is uclibc too out there + some other libs like klibc etc.... Oct 19 19:21:25 Well, i'm too biased, as i'm talking from a pov of somebody who doesn't plan on using android ever. Oct 19 19:21:29 Sorry. Oct 19 19:55:03 PaulFertser: do you happen to know some free touchscreen friendly calendar program? ;) Oct 19 19:55:21 I'm currently testing android calendar in emulator :) Oct 19 19:56:26 lindi-: no, i'm trying to use org-mode on FR :) Oct 19 19:56:45 PaulFertser: rright Oct 19 19:59:14 lindi-: but alas emacs's calendar doesn't work properly on a narrow screen, i had to hack it a bit to make anything near usable. Oct 19 20:01:22 lindi-: http://pastebin.com/9JTfDyHW Oct 19 22:31:44 mrmoku: send you patch again then... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 20 02:59:57 2011