**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 18 02:59:57 2011
Nov 18 06:23:49 <mrmoku> moin
Nov 18 06:24:09 <mrmoku> JaMa: did you allready start writing fso services?
Nov 18 06:24:15 * mrmoku does not want to do conflicting works :)
Nov 18 07:08:22 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: comrade MS made it to my killfile ;)
Nov 18 07:10:13 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: what's killfile?
Nov 18 07:11:13 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: and why?
Nov 18 07:11:45 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: I won't read any more mails from him
Nov 18 07:12:19 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: did he write anything very wrong?
Nov 18 07:14:10 <mrmoku> he offended you to be egoistic by not sharing a copy of gta01 firmware (which I think you don't even have)
Nov 18 07:14:24 <mrmoku> and he's writing long mails with lots of nonsense in it
Nov 18 07:17:39 <JaMa> mrmoku: no :/
Nov 18 07:18:18 * JaMa thinks the same
Nov 18 07:18:28 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok, np, I will start with fsodeviced.service then
Nov 18 07:19:11 <mrmoku> do you remember if fso apps have a --no-daemon param?
Nov 18 07:20:55 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i'm not that offended (i'm not an easy one to offend) and i've replied to him already. I do not consider his mails nonsense, he seems to be a clueful guy with strong and moral principles.
Nov 18 07:25:55 <JaMa> mrmoku: don't know
Nov 18 07:26:23 <JaMa> PaulFertser: and big NIH sindrome :)
Nov 18 07:28:02 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: cluefull might be... but strange at least and principles I don't share
Nov 18 09:45:53 <mrmoku> JaMa: going to try something like this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/509646/
Nov 18 09:49:33 <JaMa> looks good
Nov 18 09:50:23 <mrmoku> Before=systemd-modules-load.service
Nov 18 09:50:26 <mrmoku> is a nice thing :-)
Nov 18 09:52:28 <mrmoku> JaMa: gah... apart from s/bin/sbin/ :-P
Nov 18 09:53:50 <JaMa> ah it's kernel modules load, right? I was wondering why you want fsodeviced running before systemd modules are loaded :)
Nov 18 09:54:38 <mrmoku> yup :)
Nov 18 09:55:28 <mrmoku> hmm... did not work
Nov 18 09:57:46 <mrmoku> ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=|/lib/modules-load.d
Nov 18 09:57:46 <mrmoku> ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=|/usr/lib/modules-load.d
Nov 18 09:57:46 <mrmoku> ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=|/usr/local/lib/modules-load.d
Nov 18 09:57:46 <mrmoku> ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=|/etc/modules-load.d
Nov 18 09:57:46 <mrmoku> ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=|/run/modules-load.d
Nov 18 09:57:57 <mrmoku> we have neither, right?
Nov 18 09:58:23 <mrmoku> hmm... we have /etc/modules-load.d
Nov 18 09:58:30 <mrmoku> it's empty  though
Nov 18 09:59:00 <mrmoku> guess OE has to learn to fill it :/
Nov 18 10:00:24 <JaMa> no we're using /etc/modutils/
Nov 18 10:00:39 <mrmoku> so either we have to change that systemd service
Nov 18 10:00:46 <mrmoku> or have them in /etc/modules-load.d
Nov 18 10:00:51 <mrmoku> probably the first one is easier
Nov 18 10:01:08 <JaMa> if it expects list of modules to load then cannot we teach systemd to look there or make link from one of systemd dirs to it?
Nov 18 10:01:52 <mrmoku> linking /etc/modules-load.d to /etc/modutils would probably work too
Nov 18 10:02:46 <JaMa> /etc/modules-load.d already exists here.. maybe we can add /lib/modules-load.d link in systemd .bbappend
Nov 18 10:04:30 <mrmoku> yup, good thing
Nov 18 10:04:34 <mrmoku> it still does not start
Nov 18 10:04:46 * mrmoku wonders if type=dbus only starts if something else is needing it
Nov 18 10:09:33 <mrmoku> no that's not it
Nov 18 11:02:43 <taruti> Is it advisable to use uboot or qi?
Nov 18 12:33:08 <lindi-_> taruti: that depends on who you ask :)
Nov 18 13:35:53 <mrmoku> JaMa: btw. we have to adjust appshadow... either by readding volatile for it or making it work without
Nov 18 13:36:49 <JaMa> maybe we can try it without
Nov 18 13:37:20 <JaMa> it will for, but maybe with uSD issues we have we'll get more often e-wm without icons :?
Nov 18 13:37:39 <JaMa> that was the reason for me to move it from ~/.e to volatile
Nov 18 13:42:06 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok
Nov 18 13:48:43 <mrmoku> bbl
Nov 18 16:37:29 <mrmoku> JaMa: ahh... linking /etc/modutils to /etc/modules-load.d does not work
Nov 18 16:37:36 <mrmoku> systemd expects files with .conf ending
Nov 18 16:37:42 <mrmoku> damn
Nov 18 16:50:56 <mrmoku> JaMa: and making fsodeviced start before systemd-modules-load does not work either... that gives another cycle loop because of dbus
Nov 18 17:48:55 <JaMa> mrmoku: cannot we move systemd-modules-load after fsodeviced instead of fsodeviced before it?
Nov 18 18:30:14 <mrmoku> JaMa: yeah, will investigate that
Nov 18 18:30:39 <mrmoku> JaMa: we need a solution for /etc/modules-load.d though
Nov 18 18:46:13 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Nov 18 18:47:10 <mrmoku> JaMa: we should add systemd as distro feature
Nov 18 18:47:31 <mrmoku> and make that use modules_load.d
Nov 18 18:47:52 <mrmoku> or have a provider for modutils
Nov 18 18:48:05 <mrmoku> but that is a bit strange
Nov 18 18:48:38 <mrmoku> and as distro feature we could use it in more places
Nov 18 18:49:00 <DocScrutinizer> hah, fun to see some life here
Nov 18 18:49:07 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 18 18:49:14 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-11-18.log.html#t2011-11-18T18:42:48 :-(((
Nov 18 18:49:35 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: I got my gpio-tools installed
Nov 18 18:50:45 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: I was just asking if sth like that is available at all, so I might join kernel module development for GTA04 eventually. Thanks nevertheless for building and installing them all of an instant :-)
Nov 18 18:51:40 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer51: people here are not NATO
Nov 18 18:52:29 * DocScrutinizer hopes to answer N.Schaller's mail tonight, and also idly wonders who might be the obscure sponsor that wants him to get a board
Nov 18 18:53:36 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: my head starts to ache while I try to find a link between what I said and NATO
Nov 18 18:54:07 <nschle85> [19:47:15] <DocScrutinizer> hah, fun to see some life here
Nov 18 18:54:36 <nschle85> NATO: No Action Talkin Only :-)
Nov 18 18:55:17 <DocScrutinizer> aah, well I was referring to http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-11-18.log.html#t2011-11-18T20:10:55 and "not even talking at all"
Nov 18 19:00:09 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: i did not want to unpolite to you, but this is the characteristic of this channel... sometimes here is absolute silence and someteimes we are talking about different of software development
Nov 18 19:00:47 <nschle85> but i can say i i have a question this channel "wakes up" :-) 
Nov 18 19:04:04 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: yw, and sorry for the bad meeting
Nov 18 19:04:46 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: thanks. It's not just the meeting, it's general experience of maemo losing momentum to a limbo state
Nov 18 19:05:06 <mrmoku> yeah :/
Nov 18 19:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> another orphaned distro
Nov 18 19:06:44 * DocScrutinizer just wonders why stuff always seems to stall when reaching 99% maturity
Nov 18 19:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes at 90%
Nov 18 19:08:54 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: what are you doing with maemo ? is there any further development ?
Nov 18 19:09:11 <DocScrutinizer> probably always the same problem: lots of enthusiastic devels picking up an interesting problem, implementing a POC or v0.7, then losing interest when the somewhat tedious work of ironing out the rough edges and packaging it is pending, and leaving the boat
Nov 18 19:11:21 <DocScrutinizer> others contributing great patches but going "MEH!" when their merge requests get stuck for months due to distro maintainer not able to roll out a new revision during 4 weeks
Nov 18 19:12:21 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: but seriously question: does maemo has a future ? if N900 leaves market what can it be used for ?
Nov 18 19:12:34 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: yes, there would be further development when the testing-branch maintainer of maemo-community-SSU was capable of fsckng roll out T17 version we are waiting for since two weeks now
Nov 18 19:13:43 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: does nokia support/accept it as official release ? 
Nov 18 19:14:09 <DocScrutinizer> or when the Nokia dude would finally fix autobuilder so Stable-branch of CSSU could finally roll out first version
Nov 18 19:14:31 <DocScrutinizer> yes, it's hosted on official Nokia servers
Nov 18 19:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> though support is another thing
Nov 18 19:15:27 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: to gain any progress i should get it offered on my phone as nokia update :-)
Nov 18 19:15:48 <DocScrutinizer> ???
Nov 18 19:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 18 19:16:36 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: hi
Nov 18 19:16:47 <onen|openBmap> and hi everyone :)
Nov 18 19:16:55 * onen|openBmap jumps into the discussion
Nov 18 19:17:04 <mrmoku> JaMa: those have to move later too then:
Nov 18 19:17:05 <mrmoku> sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount:After=systemd-modules-load.service
Nov 18 19:17:05 <mrmoku> sys-kernel-config.mount:After=systemd-modules-load.service
Nov 18 19:17:08 <mrmoku> trying that now
Nov 18 19:18:06 <onen|openBmap> as the situation of today, my hopes are in ubuntu mobile effort (together with KDE?), and mozilla
Nov 18 19:18:19 * mrmoku shrugs
Nov 18 19:18:30 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: ok as i understand you: you are developing now the official updates of tomorrow ? 
Nov 18 19:19:14 <onen|openBmap> all other options are either under company control, and it never really works for real open distribution, or the project lack manpower and they struggle to have something working
Nov 18 19:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> diablo-CSSU: >>
Nov 18 19:19:26 <DocScrutinizer> Short Term Goals 
Nov 18 19:19:28 <DocScrutinizer>  Extend the usable life of Diablo and associated GUI 
Nov 18 19:19:29 <DocScrutinizer>  Extend the usable life of the N8x0 internet tablets 
Nov 18 19:19:31 <DocScrutinizer>  Focus, harness and support community contributions to Diablo 
Nov 18 19:19:32 <DocScrutinizer>  Facilitate updates of the software on N8x0 internet tablets (e.g. SSU)
Nov 18 19:19:34 <DocScrutinizer> <<
Nov 18 19:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project
Nov 18 19:20:32 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: and then I agree with you, with people not keeping up when tedious work comes, this being reinforced by the platform never reaching a real stable situation, and especially with for a long enough time
Nov 18 19:20:58 <mrmoku> JaMa: [   10.550445] systemd[1]: Breaking ordering cycle by deleting job dbus.socket/start :/
Nov 18 19:21:01 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: on which platforms maemo like it works on my N900 runs ?
Nov 18 19:21:14 <DocScrutinizer> on N900 for now
Nov 18 19:21:32 <DocScrutinizer> though I see theoretical option to port it to GTA04
Nov 18 19:21:47 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: with the complete desktop ?
Nov 18 19:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> and there'S an effort to port hildon (maemo5 GUI) to harmattan/N9
Nov 18 19:22:08 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: sure
Nov 18 19:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> it's not the desktop that'S incompatible, you need to get compatible sysfs etc, kernel drivers... That's the "problem", not the desktop GUI
Nov 18 19:23:24 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: with the nice service integration ? (GSM, SMS, EMAIL, Skype, ...) ?
Nov 18 19:23:47 <DocScrutinizer> porting libisi probably is a major PITA
Nov 18 19:23:49 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: i forgot VOIP
Nov 18 19:24:20 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: why porting libisi ?
Nov 18 19:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> things like VoIP, email etc I don't see how they would even notice the hw platform they are running on
Nov 18 19:24:57 <DocScrutinizer> because without libisi you can't talk to modem, so won't do a GSM call
Nov 18 19:25:38 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: i do not know what is available as source code from Maemo. But i like maemo because all these services are seamless integrated
Nov 18 19:26:10 <DocScrutinizer> not sure about skype, I guess it's happy as long as the SoC is the same, which is a given prerequisite on N900 vs GTA04
Nov 18 19:27:00 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: i know iphone and android too. but maemo on N900 delivers the best integration of all available services
Nov 18 19:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> alas libisi, libsmscb etc are all closed source
Nov 18 19:27:52 <DocScrutinizer> but we know the upper and nottom API/ABI
Nov 18 19:27:54 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer51: but the applications on top are more relevant
Nov 18 19:28:28 <DocScrutinizer> those are closed too, but will run happily on whatever provides libXXX.so ABI
Nov 18 19:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> or even dbus interface
Nov 18 19:29:07 <mrmoku> that is no option (for me)
Nov 18 19:29:10 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: so if they are closed too, thats bad
Nov 18 19:29:34 <DocScrutinizer> one of my long term pet ideas to augment FSO to provide API compatibility to upper end of libisi libsmscb etc
Nov 18 19:29:39 <mrmoku> nschle85: integration of services is done via telepathy
Nov 18 19:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Nov 18 19:30:23 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: my middle term pet idea is to write a fso-telepathy backend
Nov 18 19:30:28 <DocScrutinizer> dialer, mesagin etc sit on telepathy stack
Nov 18 19:30:30 <nschle85> mrmoku: i know, libthelepathy
Nov 18 19:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> telepathy-ring uses libisi to talk to modem
Nov 18 19:30:53 <mrmoku> drop our beloved phoneui for telephony
Nov 18 19:31:08 <mrmoku> and write an efl telepathy frontend
Nov 18 19:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> or use maemo dialer ;-P
Nov 18 19:31:28 <mrmoku> which is closed :/
Nov 18 19:31:42 <DocScrutinizer> yes, but compatible then, on GTA04
Nov 18 19:32:10 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: if i would have the power to decide something, i would force that shr would behave like maemo on n900
Nov 18 19:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> I would as well prefer to shoot it behind the moon as soon as an equiv alternative gets available
Nov 18 19:33:33 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: but i do not understand what the problem is, do you have the sources of all applications on top and libisi is your problem ?
Nov 18 19:33:41 <DocScrutinizer> contacts, calendar: both are the real PITA due to being closed on maemo, when it comes to integration
Nov 18 19:34:06 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: what is PITA ?
Nov 18 19:34:23 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: I don't have *any* problems ;-P or so many that I dunno what specifically you refer to
Nov 18 19:34:24 <mrmoku> nschle85: schmerz in dem popo :P
Nov 18 19:34:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~pita
Nov 18 19:34:34 <apt> [pita] pain in the ass, or a bread-like food
Nov 18 19:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> telepathy is not perfect but OKish, just it had to base on FSO for the modem related parts, rather than on libisi
Nov 18 19:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> libsms and siblings
Nov 18 19:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> ok since 2h now it seems #maemo and #maemo-ssu are dead
Nov 18 19:37:39 <mrmoku> unfortunatelly development of tp is not that fast as I would have hoped (thought)
Nov 18 19:37:47 * mrmoku still waiting for meta contacts
Nov 18 19:40:27 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: what do you mean with dead ?
Nov 18 19:40:48 <DocScrutinizer> coincidentally /me has sent out his first CV ever today, and the employer instantly forwarded it to ST-E who already ponder to hire
Nov 18 19:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: not a single post
Nov 18 19:41:32 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: here thats also normal
Nov 18 19:41:45 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: hey, nice :)
Nov 18 19:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> well, here it is, but then here are 84 users, while on #maemo there are >300
Nov 18 19:42:18 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: if am starting NATO this channel wakes up :-)
Nov 18 19:43:00 <DocScrutinizer> and we got Friday afternoon/night
Nov 18 19:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> which usually should guarantee some life on IRC
Nov 18 19:43:57 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: here its the time the developers have real life
Nov 18 19:44:56 <DocScrutinizer> yes, that's why here it's normal, while on #maemo you got way more normal users and IRC *is* their RL
Nov 18 19:45:21 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: a good example is JaMa: one of the most active developers, on weekend is mostly absent... and thats good :-)
Nov 18 19:45:34 <morphis> heyho
Nov 18 19:45:39 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Nov 18 19:45:42 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: sorry I left so far yesterday
Nov 18 19:45:48 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 19:45:53 <GNUtoo-dekstop> let me see my logs
Nov 18 19:45:57 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: but maybe I found a solution for our audio problems
Nov 18 19:46:05 <GNUtoo-dekstop> pulse?
Nov 18 19:46:10 <DocScrutinizer> after all I didn't complain about #openmoko* but about #maemo*
Nov 18 19:46:13 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: no
Nov 18 19:46:18 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: look at this https://github.com/broonie/crespo-kernel/tree/crespo-asoc
Nov 18 19:46:27 <morphis> it's the crespo kernel with wm8994 support 
Nov 18 19:46:32 <morphis> and it's not the crap from samsung
Nov 18 19:46:36 <morphis> it's from wolfson
Nov 18 19:46:44 <morphis> the vendor of the wm8994 chip
Nov 18 19:47:02 <mrmoku> nschle85: nah, JaMa is absent only when daywork is pressing
Nov 18 19:47:03 <morphis> I already compiled it and got some other mixer controls but didn't tried more until now
Nov 18 19:47:07 <GNUtoo-dekstop> wow!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 18 19:47:07 <DocScrutinizer> broonie :-D
Nov 18 19:47:12 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: :)
Nov 18 19:47:29 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: and the other thing: we will get linux 3.0 for sure on the nexus s
Nov 18 19:47:35 <GNUtoo-dekstop> indeed mark brown
Nov 18 19:47:36 <DocScrutinizer> toldya you want to talk to broonie about audio drivers
Nov 18 19:47:41 <nschle85> mrmoku: or has dancing course with nice woman :-)
Nov 18 19:47:41 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 19:47:47 <morphis> so maybe all of ur problems are solved in the near future :)
Nov 18 19:47:55 <GNUtoo-dekstop> indeed
Nov 18 19:47:56 <morphis> DocScrutinizer: really?
Nov 18 19:48:02 <morphis> DocScrutinizer: you know him?
Nov 18 19:48:06 <GNUtoo-dekstop> what do you know about 3.0?
Nov 18 19:48:06 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 18 19:48:13 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, yes he's in #alsa-soc
Nov 18 19:48:19 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: great
Nov 18 19:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> broonie did all the hard audio work for initial GTA01
Nov 18 19:48:27 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: look at the samsung-crespo/audio-work branch
Nov 18 19:48:33 <morphis> ok
Nov 18 19:48:39 <morphis> than you know him :)
Nov 18 19:48:55 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I also know him because of my problems with the htcdream audio
Nov 18 19:48:56 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: then we should really talk to him if we have problems with this kernel
Nov 18 19:48:59 <GNUtoo-dekstop> but not like DocScrutinizer 
Nov 18 19:49:00 <morphis> ok
Nov 18 19:49:11 <GNUtoo-dekstop> rather mail interaction trough ml and trough #alsa-soc
Nov 18 19:49:13 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I also never met him 
Nov 18 19:49:43 <GNUtoo-dekstop> paulk_, ^^^
Nov 18 19:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> he's just a very competent and kind Wolfson guy who feels positive for FOSS and OM
Nov 18 19:50:24 <morphis> nice to know
Nov 18 19:50:38 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: so I think we're on a good way to solve our audio issues
Nov 18 19:50:45 <GNUtoo-dekstop> indeed
Nov 18 19:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> and lingered on in #openmoko-devel for quite a long time
Nov 18 19:50:53 <GNUtoo-dekstop> rest wifi
Nov 18 19:51:03 <GNUtoo-dekstop> that could be soved too
Nov 18 19:51:08 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: yes, but I think we get it very fast too
Nov 18 19:51:08 <GNUtoo-dekstop> compat wireless + activator
Nov 18 19:51:12 <morphis> ok
Nov 18 19:51:17 <mrmoku> nschle85: indeed or that
Nov 18 19:51:18 <morphis> how far are you with this?
Nov 18 19:51:25 <GNUtoo-dekstop> or bcm4329 from htcleo
Nov 18 19:51:38 * DocScrutinizer does /join #openmoko-devel :-P
Nov 18 19:51:39 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I wonder what road to follow
Nov 18 19:51:52 <morphis> which you mean is the fastest to try?
Nov 18 19:52:06 <GNUtoo-dekstop> no idea
Nov 18 19:52:11 <DocScrutinizer> HAHA they changed the key??
Nov 18 19:52:16 <morphis> I will try to get audio working this evening
Nov 18 19:52:19 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 19:52:25 <GNUtoo-dekstop> if you need help I'm here
Nov 18 19:52:30 <nschle85> mrmoku: may i meet you in private irc ? Thema: GUIs: SHR/Aurora/maemo ?
Nov 18 19:52:33 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: you didn't already wrote the activator?
Nov 18 19:52:40 <mrmoku> nschle85: sure
Nov 18 19:52:48 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, yes but there are issues with it
Nov 18 19:52:51 <morphis> nschle85: about aurora?
Nov 18 19:52:59 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: which kind of?
Nov 18 19:53:06 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, the problem is that I got unhandled IRQ with brcm80211
Nov 18 19:53:11 <nschle85> morphis: yes
Nov 18 19:53:12 <mrmoku> nschle85: indeed talking about that probably would be better here
Nov 18 19:53:21 <nschle85> ok
Nov 18 19:53:23 <DocScrutinizer> nah, just my client forgot the key ;-P Actually one plus me in there still XD
Nov 18 19:53:25 <morphis> nschle85: about which details?
Nov 18 19:53:25 <GNUtoo-dekstop> basically the sdio irq is not handled soon enough
Nov 18 19:53:32 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: hm
Nov 18 19:53:40 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I mean in probe you have some stuff that acts like this
Nov 18 19:53:43 <nschle85> ok guys. keep cool
Nov 18 19:53:57 <GNUtoo-dekstop> first it activates the card and then register the sdio interrupts
Nov 18 19:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-11-18 20:52:00] [Whois] johncylee ist ~john@61.57.131.211 (John Lee)
Nov 18 19:54:03 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-11-18 20:52:00] [Whois] johncylee hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #openmoko-devel
Nov 18 19:54:13 <GNUtoo-dekstop> with the result that it render the device unusable because of slowness
Nov 18 19:54:14 <mrmoku> nschle85: it's almost winter... we're cool like ice ;)
Nov 18 19:54:51 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: a python dev who did not have the balls to enter *c*devel? ;)
Nov 18 19:54:58 <nschle85> i would like to talk about the agenda of SHRSHRCON11 and i would like to talk on that meeting which user application framework we will use infuture
Nov 18 19:55:04 <GNUtoo-dekstop> nschle85, I'm sorry I've bad news for you, I can't go to FSOSHRCON trough munich, I already booked trough plane+train 
Nov 18 19:55:14 <morphis> nschle85: ok
Nov 18 19:55:18 <DocScrutinizer> I think I forgot who exactly is johncylee
Nov 18 19:55:48 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: http://pastie.org/2885006 , looks good right? :)
Nov 18 19:55:55 <nschle85> GNUtoo-dekstop: i have bad news for you: you will meet me in essen :-)
Nov 18 19:55:59 <DocScrutinizer> probably a orphaned bouncer ;-P
Nov 18 19:56:11 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 18 19:56:25 <GNUtoo-dekstop> nschle85, lol nice
Nov 18 19:56:32 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: do you have hint of what technology the ubuntu mobile initiative will use?
Nov 18 19:56:51 <DocScrutinizer> technology? initiative? NFC
Nov 18 19:56:52 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: AFAIK the mozilla mobile project will be based on android
Nov 18 19:56:59 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, no idea, I think the alsa controls of the samsung kenrel was oversimplified
Nov 18 19:57:06 <morphis> yes
Nov 18 19:57:19 <morphis> but this ones are the revsers of over-simplified :)
Nov 18 19:57:30 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: I have read ubuntu announced they will work on making a mobile (tablet, smartphones) version of ubuntu
Nov 18 19:57:37 <morphis> I need to find out which to use to get audio
Nov 18 19:57:51 <DocScrutinizer> sure, but then what's the technology in that?
Nov 18 19:58:01 <onen|openBmap> and mozilla too, based on android, but java layer removed, and new api to develop apps with html5
Nov 18 19:58:19 <GNUtoo-dekstop> basically you have many controls
Nov 18 19:58:24 <GNUtoo-dekstop> you have CPU DAI controls
Nov 18 19:58:28 <GNUtoo-dekstop> and you have CODEC controls
Nov 18 19:58:36 <GNUtoo-dekstop> and many some additional board controls
Nov 18 19:59:01 <mrmoku> nschle85: I don't think there will be *the* GUI
Nov 18 19:59:20 * DocScrutinizer feels like boozetime, sometimes bytes act allergenic to him, on days like this one
Nov 18 19:59:22 <mrmoku> nschle85: there's people like morphis and mickey|babybusy who prefer a simple feature phone thing
Nov 18 19:59:23 <onen|openBmap> DocScrutinizer: that's the question, I don't know what they intend to use (FSO, the stack from meego, etc.)
Nov 18 19:59:28 <nschle85> ok , guys here are a lot of discussions running... can anbody open  new room and invite us ?
Nov 18 19:59:41 <nschle85> i cannot follow at the moment
Nov 18 19:59:43 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, I guess that if bronie did it it's the right thing 
Nov 18 19:59:43 <morphis> nschle85: we want to discuss this right now?
Nov 18 19:59:44 <mrmoku> nschle85: and there is people like me who want (need) a fully featured X-based mobile computer
Nov 18 20:00:05 <morphis> nschle85: or it's better to do this at FSOSHRCON?
Nov 18 20:00:07 <mrmoku> nschle85: maybe just put it onto the topics
Nov 18 20:00:13 * angelox|laptop thinks that x-based mobile computer if very cool :)
Nov 18 20:00:18 <mrmoku> this is not a pressuring thing to discuss
Nov 18 20:00:24 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: I hope so
Nov 18 20:00:44 * lindi- is happy with and without X as long as it meets DFSG :)
Nov 18 20:00:45 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, how can I have that running? I compile brownie's branch?
Nov 18 20:00:46 <nschle85> morphis: mrmoku: i did not expect a decision...
Nov 18 20:00:51 <GNUtoo-dekstop> *bronie
Nov 18 20:00:55 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: yes
Nov 18 20:00:59 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 20:01:02 <morphis> with CONFIG_SND_SOC_HERRING enabled
Nov 18 20:01:05 <GNUtoo-dekstop> so you didn't merge it yet
Nov 18 20:01:09 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 20:01:10 <morphis> I merged it
Nov 18 20:01:14 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 20:01:15 <morphis> with our stuff
Nov 18 20:01:24 <GNUtoo-dekstop> where?
Nov 18 20:01:24 <morphis> it's in samsung-crespo/audio-work of fso.git
Nov 18 20:01:27 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 20:01:30 <GNUtoo-dekstop> let me compile that
Nov 18 20:01:35 <morphis> ok
Nov 18 20:01:46 <morphis> wait I will give you my defconfig
Nov 18 20:02:00 <nschle85> morphis: mrmoku: but i wanted to know what is the current strategy which alternatives do we have because for me the current maemo ui ist very useful 
Nov 18 20:02:52 <onen|openBmap> have to go
Nov 18 20:02:53 <onen|openBmap> bye
Nov 18 20:02:56 <mrmoku> cu
Nov 18 20:03:04 <GNUtoo-dekstop> onen|openBmap, bye
Nov 18 20:03:08 <morphis> nschle85: I don't know maemo ui
Nov 18 20:03:14 <mrmoku> nschle85: we have no decided strategy
Nov 18 20:03:23 <morphis> nschle85: and the community does not have a strategy right now
Nov 18 20:03:25 <morphis> yes
Nov 18 20:03:26 <mrmoku> and I like the integration of VoIP in maemo too
Nov 18 20:03:39 <morphis> thats something FSOSHRCON is about
Nov 18 20:03:41 <mrmoku> that's why I put VoIP in the list of topics to discuss
Nov 18 20:03:42 <GNUtoo-dekstop> do we have voip in oe-core?
Nov 18 20:03:44 <morphis> finding a strategy for hte community
Nov 18 20:03:49 <GNUtoo-dekstop> because batman+voip would be so cool
Nov 18 20:03:53 <nschle85> morphis: do you come to FSOSHRCON11 ?
Nov 18 20:03:58 <morphis> nschle85: yes
Nov 18 20:04:00 <GNUtoo-dekstop> but it's not a priority for me tough
Nov 18 20:04:03 <mrmoku> GNUtoo-dekstop: batman?
Nov 18 20:04:11 <GNUtoo-dekstop> batmand or batman-adv
Nov 18 20:04:22 <GNUtoo-dekstop> routing daemon/kernel module
Nov 18 20:04:27 <GNUtoo-dekstop> mesh network
Nov 18 20:04:30 <mrmoku> ahh
Nov 18 20:04:35 <DocScrutinizer> you'll never get that sorted without a datasheet for codec/mixer
Nov 18 20:04:49 <GNUtoo-dekstop> we can request the datasheet
Nov 18 20:04:52 <DocScrutinizer> oops, baclscroll skew
Nov 18 20:05:05 <nschle85> so i can show you why this fucking linux memo is much more in future than iphone and android
Nov 18 20:05:31 * JaMa is here.. :P
Nov 18 20:05:33 <GNUtoo-dekstop> maemo is technically good(but bad in freedom)
Nov 18 20:05:46 * JaMa had very long call with National US 
Nov 18 20:06:04 <GNUtoo-dekstop> national US? what's that?
Nov 18 20:06:09 <JaMa> car rental
Nov 18 20:06:18 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 20:06:20 <JaMa> they want my money for tall I didn't pay :)
Nov 18 20:06:52 <nschle85> JaMa: you come with MWB7 ?
Nov 18 20:06:59 <nschle85> BMW /
Nov 18 20:07:02 <nschle85> 7
Nov 18 20:07:10 <nschle85> ?
Nov 18 20:07:12 <morphis> nschle85: do that
Nov 18 20:08:51 <JaMa> nschle85: I guess that bahn.de busses are not from BMW and for sure not 7 series :)
Nov 18 20:09:07 <nschle85> morphis: so please reinvent the tire again
Nov 18 20:09:20 <JaMa> but would be great to come with BMW7 do you have spare?
Nov 18 20:10:05 <nschle85> JaMa: i have spare but only Ford  Mondeo or Opel Zafira
Nov 18 20:10:06 * mrmoku has a bigger car... at least volume-wise... not sure about the weight :P
Nov 18 20:11:08 <taruti> How do I recover from opkg dieing with:  * parse_from_stream_nomalloc: Excessively long line at 2. Corrupt file?
Nov 18 20:11:29 <JaMa> is this competition who will take me to Essen? :)))
Nov 18 20:12:01 <nschle85> JaMa: i can drive over 200km :-)
Nov 18 20:12:15 <JaMa> 200km/h?
Nov 18 20:12:27 <nschle85> yes
Nov 18 20:13:18 <JaMa> let's go to nuremberg ring
Nov 18 20:13:26 <nschle85> JaMa: i can speak russian and i know Karell Got
Nov 18 20:13:39 <mrmoku> I can't compete with velocity... but I can open the window and try to spit onto the roof of the cars passing with 200km/h ;)
Nov 18 20:14:34 <JaMa> who is Karel Got? :P
Nov 18 20:15:02 <JaMa> I haven't seen single commit from him
Nov 18 20:15:31 <nschle85> JaMa: he is the most famous singer from szech republic singing "Biene Maja Song"
Nov 18 20:16:19 <nschle85> JaMa: on sunday 20.15 ill watch a tv reportage about prague !!!!
Nov 18 20:16:39 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: I don't know how to enable audio ...
Nov 18 20:16:40 <nschle85> runnig on NDR television
Nov 18 20:17:09 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: maybe I should take a look how it is done in wm8994_herring.c
Nov 18 20:17:34 * GNUtoo-dekstop dream of the country where you have no internet speed limit
Nov 18 20:17:45 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, I'll look it's fetching
Nov 18 20:17:52 <morphis> ok
Nov 18 20:18:32 <nschle85> JaMa: and i have a german UMTS card with internet enabled :-)
Nov 18 20:18:47 <JaMa> nschle85: I was just kidding, I know who he is, but I don't like him.. because he doesn't send any patches to us
Nov 18 20:19:03 <nschle85> JaMa: :-) 
Nov 18 20:19:15 <nschle85> JaMa: i like your jokes :-)
Nov 18 20:19:22 * angelox|laptop too
Nov 18 20:19:50 <PaulFertser> and me
Nov 18 20:19:52 <PaulFertser> :)
Nov 18 20:20:44 <nschle85> JaMa: ok thats my last argument:
Nov 18 20:21:04 <nschle85> JaMa: please wait some seconds...
Nov 18 20:21:11 <JaMa> nice.. so I don't need to do any work anymore, I'll just hang here and tell some silly joke twice a week.. great :)
Nov 18 20:21:44 <angelox|laptop> ;)
Nov 18 20:23:47 <nschle85> JaMa: ok thats my last argument:
Nov 18 20:24:21 <nschle85> JaMa: i have a full DVD of "KRTEK" :-) :-)
Nov 18 20:24:51 <mrmoku> nschle85: and a player in your car to watch it?
Nov 18 20:25:18 <JaMa> nschle85: lol
Nov 18 20:25:35 <nschle85> mrmoku: ill take the netbook of my wife .-)
Nov 18 20:25:47 <mrmoku> JaMa: a nice thing in systemd is sshd.socket... no need to have the ssh server started when you don't need it :)
Nov 18 20:29:21 <nschle85> mrmoku: JaMa: can one of you pleae open a private channel and invite us JaMa: mrmoku: nschle85: ?
Nov 18 20:29:42 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: you know who is brownie in #alsa-soc?
Nov 18 20:30:11 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, mark brown
Nov 18 20:30:24 <GNUtoo-dekstop> and it's broonie not brownie
Nov 18 20:30:32 <morphis> :)
Nov 18 20:30:42 <morphis> ok, he's not there
Nov 18 20:32:14 <JaMa> nschle85: done :)
Nov 18 20:32:39 <nschle85> mrmoku: i am on jamas channel
Nov 18 20:37:09 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: you got the kernel?
Nov 18 20:37:22 <GNUtoo-dekstop> yes
Nov 18 20:37:28 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I just finished compiling it
Nov 18 20:37:35 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I'm looking for the usb cable right now
Nov 18 20:37:42 <GNUtoo-dekstop> found it
Nov 18 20:39:28 <morphis> ok
Nov 18 20:48:09 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07components-cleanup * r57625ebaa36b 10aurora/aurora-daemon/src/components/Window.qml: 
Nov 18 20:48:09 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: aurora-daemon: add a little left/right margin for page stack in window component
Nov 18 20:48:09 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 20:51:13 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, I've some bad quality sound, I'll investigate more
Nov 18 20:51:27 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: which controls do you activated?
Nov 18 20:51:34 <GNUtoo-dekstop> nearly all
Nov 18 20:51:45 <morphis> :)
Nov 18 20:52:01 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: ok, when you will do the audio job now I will continue call management work
Nov 18 20:52:08 <morphis> and maybe start with sms
Nov 18 20:53:40 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ouch I had to deactivate some stuff
Nov 18 20:53:44 <GNUtoo-dekstop> it did a strange noise
Nov 18 20:53:51 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I hope that I didn't break something
Nov 18 20:54:03 <morphis> :)
Nov 18 20:54:13 <GNUtoo-dekstop> it was In1L
Nov 18 20:54:16 <GNUtoo-dekstop> that did the noise
Nov 18 20:54:19 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: if you look at wm8994_herring.c
Nov 18 20:54:26 <morphis> there are some _playback methods
Nov 18 20:54:35 <morphis> they indicate which controls we need to adjust
Nov 18 20:55:14 <GNUtoo-dekstop> the thing is that the speaker was so hot....
Nov 18 20:55:19 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 20:56:49 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: Hi!
Nov 18 20:58:25 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: hot?
Nov 18 20:59:08 <GNUtoo-dekstop> yes I rebooted under replicant now
Nov 18 20:59:12 <GNUtoo-dekstop> let's see
Nov 18 20:59:18 <DocScrutinizer> GNUtoo-dekstop: don't mess with speakers. Seems a lot of manufacturers decided not to got the OM-do of too small capacitors and used a D-class amp rather, which will have *no* power loss down to ~0.1Hz
Nov 18 20:59:35 <DocScrutinizer> some even allow to drive speakers with DC
Nov 18 20:59:54 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ah there is something names speaker class
Nov 18 20:59:58 <GNUtoo-dekstop> with D as value
Nov 18 21:00:16 <DocScrutinizer> so, again, do not mess with audio, unless you're sure you don't introduce too much low freq or DC offsets
Nov 18 21:00:54 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I think I broke the speakers already
Nov 18 21:01:02 <GNUtoo-dekstop> the sound is now awfull
Nov 18 21:01:08 <GNUtoo-dekstop> not sure if it was like this before
Nov 18 21:01:28 <DocScrutinizer> depending on format (I.E unsigned) it might for example be a terrible idea to initialize DAC with all zeroes
Nov 18 21:01:48 <morphis> hm
Nov 18 21:02:51 <GNUtoo-dekstop> in replicant I ear crackeling sound
Nov 18 21:03:42 <morphis> thats bad
Nov 18 21:03:43 <DocScrutinizer> fried transduced?
Nov 18 21:03:45 <GNUtoo-dekstop> and the sound is not that loud
Nov 18 21:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> fried transducer?
Nov 18 21:03:56 <GNUtoo-dekstop> first the speaker was very hot
Nov 18 21:04:00 <GNUtoo-dekstop> without sound inside
Nov 18 21:04:06 <DocScrutinizer> DC+
Nov 18 21:04:10 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 21:04:46 <DocScrutinizer> rather typical symptoms of a DC-fried speaker
Nov 18 21:04:58 <GNUtoo-dekstop> is it possible to fix it ?
Nov 18 21:04:59 <DocScrutinizer> which hw platform?
Nov 18 21:05:08 <GNUtoo-dekstop> crespo/herring/nexusS
Nov 18 21:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> whatever that is ;-)
Nov 18 21:05:24 <GNUtoo-dekstop> there are some schematics available for it
Nov 18 21:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> fix -> clean speaker from all dust and magnetic debris on the membrane
Nov 18 21:05:52 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 21:05:59 <DocScrutinizer> if it's still crackling sound, get a new speaker
Nov 18 21:12:33 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: so we should better ask broonie for help before continue?
Nov 18 21:13:08 <morphis> before we destroy some more speakers?
Nov 18 21:18:17 <GNUtoo-dekstop> yes
Nov 18 21:25:47 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: thats bad that you maybe need to exchange your speaker
Nov 18 21:26:21 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I cannot open the speaker to remove the dust...
Nov 18 21:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> then there's most likely no dust inside
Nov 18 21:29:52 <GNUtoo-dekstop> the speaker is in a platic thing
Nov 18 21:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> probably sealed
Nov 18 21:37:05 <GNUtoo-dekstop> yes
Nov 18 21:38:17 <DocScrutinizer> you could try connecting it to a mp3-player/sth headphones output with a cut cable and listen what it sounds like
Nov 18 21:38:48 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I already re-mounted the phone
Nov 18 21:39:04 <DocScrutinizer> until you do it's not guaranteed it's the speaker that has problems
Nov 18 21:41:11 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok now I powered it on again
Nov 18 21:41:31 <GNUtoo-dekstop> and no krrr until some time, then some krrr interupted by normal sound and then only krrr
Nov 18 21:41:34 <GNUtoo-dekstop> => I'll wait
Nov 18 21:48:21 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07components-cleanup * r73002afb3b53 10aurora/aurora-daemon/data/theme/layouts/ (800_480_210.params 800_480_235.params Makefile.am): 
Nov 18 21:48:21 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: auora-daemon: we have 235 dpi for the 480x800 resolution we have on the Nexus S
Nov 18 21:48:21 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 21:48:22 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07components-cleanup * r220fb13512dd 10aurora/aurora-daemon/data/theme/layouts/800_480_235.params: 
Nov 18 21:48:22 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: aurora-daemon: update layout parameters for 480x800@235dpi layout definition
Nov 18 21:48:22 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 21:48:23 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07components-cleanup * r925f761ebe6f 10aurora/aurora-daemon/src/components/ (CellularNetworkStatusIndicator.qml Dialpad.qml): 
Nov 18 21:48:23 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: aurora-daemon: use layout font size definition in some more components
Nov 18 21:48:23 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 21:53:29 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: I will continue working here with the std. android kernel
Nov 18 21:53:48 <morphis> to get call working correctly it should be ok
Nov 18 21:54:00 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
Nov 18 21:54:13 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I'll wait tomorrow for using the nexus S again
Nov 18 21:54:17 <GNUtoo-dekstop> it seem to heal somehow
Nov 18 21:54:34 <GNUtoo-dekstop> see my previous post
Nov 18 21:56:38 <morphis> yes I saw your lines
Nov 18 22:08:34 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: let's hope its not completely  broken
Nov 18 22:08:44 <GNUtoo-dekstop> the phone still boots
Nov 18 22:08:48 <GNUtoo-dekstop> but it's quite problematic:
Nov 18 22:08:55 <GNUtoo-dekstop> think of the alarm scenario
Nov 18 22:09:03 <GNUtoo-dekstop> that cannot be done on headphones
Nov 18 22:09:13 <GNUtoo-dekstop> like ffalarms
Nov 18 22:09:18 <GNUtoo-dekstop> that is broken btw
Nov 18 22:14:49 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: just in case that your speaker is broken?
Nov 18 22:15:20 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07call-management * r9735fddb1e27 10aurora/aurora-daemon/src/components/ (CellularNetworkStatusIndicator.qml Dialpad.qml StatusBar.qml): 
Nov 18 22:15:20 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: aurora-daemon: use layout font size definition in some more components
Nov 18 22:15:20 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 22:15:21 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07call-management * r5734243aeda4 10aurora/aurora-daemon/src/components/StatusBar.qml: Merge branch 'components-cleanup'
Nov 18 22:15:21 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07call-management * r18a6134b034d 10aurora/aurora-daemon/scripts/remote-install.sh: 
Nov 18 22:15:21 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: aurora-daemon: scripts: add simple scripts to install aurora-daemon to ssh connected device
Nov 18 22:15:22 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 22:15:22 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07call-management * rfac87b190695 10aurora/aurora-daemon/ (28 files in 13 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into call-management
Nov 18 22:15:23 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07call-management * rf576533e0173 10aurora/aurora-daemon/src/components/external/Page.qml: 
Nov 18 22:15:23 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: aurora-daemon: components: current page status is also visible to user through different signals
Nov 18 22:15:24 <CIA-38> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch <morphis@gravedo.de>
Nov 18 22:16:57 <GNUtoo-dekstop> morphis, what did you mean?
Nov 18 22:17:18 <GNUtoo-dekstop> <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: just in case that your speaker is broken?
Nov 18 22:18:13 <morphis> GNUtoo-dekstop: you spoke about thats the scenario is quite problematic and I thought you're talking about the case where your speaker is broken and you can only use a headphone now
Nov 18 22:26:36 <GNUtoo-dekstop> no I talk about the case where I need an alarm
Nov 18 22:26:45 <GNUtoo-dekstop> and if the speaker is broken the alarm can't work
Nov 18 22:27:05 <GNUtoo-dekstop> I cannot replace the speaker by headphones in the alarm scenario
Nov 18 22:32:47 <morphis> yes
Nov 18 22:32:56 <morphis> you can when you get some external speaker
Nov 18 23:07:07 <morphis> so  am off
Nov 18 23:07:09 <morphis> gn8
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