**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 10 02:59:56 2011 Dec 10 03:11:17 nice find. http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/mobile/n900-integration/kubuntu-mobile-n900-integration_0.1.orig.tar.gz yeah, something ubuntu. the reason why I link this is because there are some interesting scripts and config files inside for n900. for example alsa. maybe you know them already, but still suggest to take a look. Dec 10 03:11:51 i suggest* Dec 10 08:11:34 karl999: what kernel version do they use? Dec 10 08:12:28 karl999: right now our alsa configuration for n900 is broken, because the controls' indices changed with some kernel update Dec 10 08:17:13 * pabs3 wonders if runtime-generated config is a better way to go Dec 10 08:31:36 pabs3: how would you do that? runtime generate alsa amix or scenario files? Dec 10 09:44:20 freesmartphone.org: 03Martin.Jansa 07cornucopia * re9bccf1a37bf 10/fsosystemd/data/fsosystemd.service: Dec 10 09:44:20 freesmartphone.org: fsosystemd: add .service file for systemd Dec 10 09:44:20 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa Dec 10 09:44:21 freesmartphone.org: 03Martin.Jansa 07cornucopia * r96698077b6cc 10/fsodeviced/data/fsodeviced.service: Dec 10 09:44:22 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: update .service file Dec 10 09:44:22 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Martin Jansa Dec 10 09:46:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r043b5ac84794 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/cornucopia.inc: cornucopia: bump SRCREV Dec 10 09:49:24 mrmoku: no idea, but clearly hardcoding sysfs paths and alsa scenarios isn't going to work given their history of moving around Dec 10 09:58:36 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r26d60e47358a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): meta-openmoko, meta-nokia: adapt to new IMAGE_CMD_*jffs2 Dec 10 09:59:09 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ra7471425cf87 10/meta-shr/conf/distro/shr.conf: meta-shr: enable packagehistory Dec 10 10:00:16 pabs3, mrmoku Dec 10 10:00:20 QA and tests Dec 10 10:00:27 No kernel should be updated if there is a regression Dec 10 10:00:32 My 2 cents :-) Dec 10 10:00:53 The symptom here is regression Dec 10 10:01:03 Don't try to treat the symptom but the problem Dec 10 10:01:07 That is: insufficient testing Dec 10 10:11:54 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r9f101f3509ae 10/meta-shr/recipes-support/fbreader/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fbreader: initial import from openembedded classic Dec 10 10:12:00 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r67db6b47dc67 10/meta-shr/recipes-support/picocom/ (picocom/gcc4.patch picocom/nolock.patch picocom_1.4.bb): picocom: import from openembedded classic Dec 10 10:12:00 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * rbea01d791736 10/meta-shr/recipes-multimedia/mplayer/ (19 files in 3 dirs): import mplayer_svn recipe from openembedded classic Dec 10 10:16:32 heyho Dec 10 10:16:36 mickeyl: ping Dec 10 10:25:35 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r5afb72a5edd3 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/at/atcommandqueue.vala: Dec 10 10:25:36 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: at: never write AT commands in plain text to log file when not in debug mode Dec 10 10:25:36 freesmartphone.org: This fixes bug report #602 (http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/602) Dec 10 10:25:36 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Dec 10 10:30:50 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r1af601dc379c 10/ (319 files in 40 dirs): system upgrade Dec 10 10:32:36 Ainulindale: did you take a look at http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Stabilizing Dec 10 10:36:10 mrmoku: good you are here Dec 10 10:36:35 mrmoku: maybe you read my lines about my problem with attendance at SHRFSOCON next weekend Dec 10 10:36:54 mrmoku: is there a problem if I don't take a room when only comming for saturday and not staying overnight? Dec 10 10:38:00 morphis: yeah, I read it Dec 10 10:38:13 I have to tell them fast Dec 10 10:38:54 it is no problem I think... last time we had home-sleepers too Dec 10 10:39:10 ok Dec 10 10:39:16 then please tell them Dec 10 10:40:05 the bigger problem is that you will miss friday and sunday ;) Dec 10 10:40:11 I know Dec 10 10:40:29 it's sad I know Dec 10 10:40:41 but I'm sure you have a good rason Dec 10 10:41:18 :) Dec 10 10:41:29 otherwise I wouldn't tell you I can't come Dec 10 10:41:54 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rcf4c869c917a 10/fsotest/src/testgsm.vala: Dec 10 10:41:54 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: testgsm: only check for mandatory entries in network status message Dec 10 10:41:54 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Dec 10 10:42:40 GNUtoo: heyho Dec 10 10:43:08 Ainulindale: and take a look at build.shr-project.org too... while you're at it :) Dec 10 10:44:47 mrmoku: you're trying to convince Ainulindale to start working again? Dec 10 10:44:49 :) Dec 10 10:44:53 morphis, hi, I guess you saw the announcement Dec 10 10:45:01 the palm one Dec 10 10:45:03 GNUtoo: you mean the one about webOS? Dec 10 10:45:04 yes Dec 10 10:45:06 yes Dec 10 10:45:11 I am very excited Dec 10 10:45:22 I hope they release the modem part too Dec 10 10:45:25 but let's see what will be part of the opensource relesae Dec 10 10:45:29 indeed Dec 10 10:45:35 I don't know Dec 10 10:45:42 is there any indication what license they use or what parts will be open? Dec 10 10:45:46 but I don't think they will do Dec 10 10:45:51 pabs3: no Dec 10 10:46:11 :( Dec 10 10:48:14 pabs3: the only thing they sad is that they will opensource there javascript framework enyo at first Dec 10 10:48:20 the userland will follow Dec 10 10:53:04 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rc13c0159b3d8 10/ (20 files in 6 dirs): meta-nokia, meta-openmoko: rename uboot -> u-boot Dec 10 10:53:07 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r8bdab78f8b34 10/meta-shr/recipes-connectivity/connman/ (connman_0.77.bbappend connman_0.78.bbappend): connman: rename .bbappend to match new version Dec 10 10:56:27 mrmoku, GNUtoo: nice work, but will it blend? Dec 10 10:56:30 s/blend/last/ Dec 10 10:56:30 Ainulindale meant: mrmoku, GNUtoo: nice work, but will it last? Dec 10 10:57:01 And you should describe which tests are expected Dec 10 10:57:05 Even build an app for that I'd say Dec 10 10:57:28 something which would perform routine tests with feedback from the user ("did it work properly? yes/no") Dec 10 10:58:19 Ainulindale: that is something I'm pondering with... a app with checkers for tests the user has to do and which could then be somehow automatically submitted Dec 10 10:58:50 good thing this would facilitate the work Dec 10 10:58:59 (in the user PoV) Dec 10 10:59:03 imho we need more testers first (to make such app worth it) Dec 10 10:59:04 yup Dec 10 10:59:15 JaMa|Zzz: I think it's the other way around Dec 10 10:59:18 Tests are annoying Dec 10 10:59:22 JaMa|Zzz: maybe more people would test if it would be less cumbersome Dec 10 10:59:23 If you make them easy to perform Dec 10 10:59:25 Testers will come Dec 10 10:59:38 But this is the top bottom approach Dec 10 10:59:41 Do the bottom up as well Dec 10 10:59:50 (unit testing, then functional testing technically speaking) Dec 10 10:59:51 if some app ask me to do more tests then I care.. Dec 10 11:00:08 Ainulindale: morphis started to work on automated tests in fso land Dec 10 11:00:14 Good :-) Dec 10 11:00:24 Even though it's 4 years late ;-) Dec 10 11:00:44 JaMa|Zzz: tri-state checkers... untested - works - does not work Dec 10 11:00:53 which does not force you to test everything Dec 10 11:01:00 ok then Dec 10 11:01:01 but gives you a list of what you _could_ test Dec 10 11:01:24 plus tests could be part of an init process Dec 10 11:01:28 "try to connect to home wifi" Dec 10 11:01:32 "try to call voice mail" Dec 10 11:01:47 for instance Dec 10 11:02:54 the tests should be have a description with some fields like "expected result, steps to do, overall description, importance, ...) Dec 10 11:03:11 but what I expected from StagingTest page is more individual tests, like "does it suit my use case better then previous version" Dec 10 11:03:41 if someone is used to connect home wifi and call voice mail he will include it Dec 10 11:03:53 ok, we could add a final 'improves my user experience' checker then :) Dec 10 11:03:58 keep it simple for users :-) Dec 10 11:04:07 if it's not simple it won't be used Dec 10 11:04:13 (except by power users) Dec 10 11:04:13 which is the vote for syncing or not syncing Dec 10 11:04:22 (and power users don't like testing :-p) Dec 10 11:04:27 mrmoku: that's why I renamed last column Dec 10 11:04:50 Anyways, going to cook a nice meal for the lady Dec 10 11:04:53 See you guys Dec 10 11:04:57 cu Dec 10 11:05:00 cya Dec 10 11:05:12 see you Dec 10 11:05:17 the problem is that I don't expect all Y in near future Dec 10 11:06:01 sure Dec 10 11:06:15 but it would tell others what they can expect Dec 10 11:06:32 and we can be sure telephony continue working Dec 10 11:06:36 and dos1 could integrate it right in the download page (test results) Dec 10 11:07:32 GNUtoo: btw. I was thinking a bit... and decided I have to restart working on fsoaudiod+aci Dec 10 11:07:40 test results are a very good thing Dec 10 11:07:41 that is the blocking thing for n900 *and* gta04 Dec 10 11:07:52 the two I'm personally interested in most Dec 10 11:07:53 mrmoku, ok Dec 10 11:07:57 and how do we try to connect home wifi and call voice mail if user never setup the wifi and has voicemail disabled? :) Dec 10 11:07:59 I will start trying to take more responsibility to get the FSO side safe and stable Dec 10 11:08:20 morphis: good thing :) Dec 10 11:08:26 mrmoku: why is that a blocking thing? Dec 10 11:08:33 what about alsa state files? Dec 10 11:08:47 morphis: on n900 alsa state files we don't have any working with the correct kernel Dec 10 11:08:56 and on gta04 we have multiple sound cards to handle Dec 10 11:09:57 and before wasting my time working on scenarios I think it is better to work on the solution which IMHO is better Dec 10 11:10:11 ok Dec 10 11:10:14 mrmoku, so systemd now works? Dec 10 11:10:41 mrmoku: but you should wait until next weekend Dec 10 11:10:49 so we can discuss the details and get a common strategy Dec 10 11:10:52 GNUtoo: not all stuff is converted to systemd units... Dec 10 11:11:04 I suspended that work Dec 10 11:11:04 mrmoku, maybe finish systemd before? Dec 10 11:11:23 GNUtoo: good point Dec 10 11:11:24 GNUtoo: one of the topics next weekend will be the initsystem Dec 10 11:11:45 yes I've added more details on the important topics Dec 10 11:15:46 also I wonder how to organize the discussions Dec 10 11:15:59 for instance not everybody knows everything Dec 10 11:16:17 so we'll have to do some kind of presentations with discussions inside? Dec 10 11:16:28 or just discussions with presentations inside? Dec 10 11:17:23 how much people we're? Dec 10 11:18:00 no idea if http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/FSOSHRCON_2011 is correct about the people Dec 10 11:21:35 so we're at maximum eight people Dec 10 11:21:46 as I am not there on friday Dec 10 11:21:57 I think friday should be the day to get known to everybody Dec 10 11:22:08 who is who and who does what and has which interests Dec 10 11:22:17 maybe then we can do workgroups Dec 10 11:22:37 and each workgroup presents their results later to the other people Dec 10 11:22:55 as one part of the topic are FSO specific and the the others are SHR specific Dec 10 11:27:14 GNUtoo, mrmoku: or what do you think Dec 10 11:31:30 morphis: small workgroups :P Dec 10 11:31:41 yes, very small workgroups Dec 10 11:32:00 of two up to four peoples I would say Dec 10 11:33:30 morphis, GNUtoo: we're seven btw. Dec 10 11:34:13 ok Dec 10 11:34:14 (if not GarthPS, dos1 or HeinervdmOff change their mind spontaneously :) Dec 10 11:34:22 or Ainulindale for that ;) Dec 10 13:39:53 GNUtoo: about the boot image for the crespo you asked me about some days ago Dec 10 14:19:18 BTW, it looks like I will be able to come too :-) Dec 10 14:20:15 antrik: so you're going to take morphis' bed? :) Dec 10 14:20:30 sure, why not... Dec 10 14:20:40 :) Dec 10 14:20:42 cool Dec 10 14:20:46 thought I wouldn't mind sleeping on the floor either :-) Dec 10 14:21:10 (in fact I was sleeping on the very same floor just a few weeks ago...) Dec 10 14:22:00 it's not firm yet though... I can't confirm for sure until I actually see the money on my bank account Dec 10 14:23:41 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r85048bb02d04 10/fsotest/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Dec 10 14:23:42 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: add config file (only with basic logging settings now) Dec 10 14:23:42 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Dec 10 14:31:13 JaMa|Off, btw I've loked at fbreader patch again and it seem that it's upstream Dec 10 14:31:35 (they say it in an official fbreader bugreport) Dec 10 14:32:00 so it'll be in the next release Dec 10 14:54:47 mrmoku: about the n900 config. seems like the kernel base was meego kernel 2.6.35.3-10.3-n900. this is the webpage where the link to the archive is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900. Dec 10 14:59:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07utilities * re6097f7957ed 10/android/rpc/ (3 files in 2 dirs): android-rpc: convert to gdbus Dec 10 14:59:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07utilities * rb649ca092266 10/.gitignore: update .gitignore Dec 10 15:01:13 mickeyl: thanks :) Dec 10 15:13:10 mrmoku: no idea whether it works, but at least it compiles now Dec 10 15:13:48 d'oh! Dec 10 15:13:52 http://www.golem.de/1112/88334.html Dec 10 15:14:06 if that covers the UI, i'm sold Dec 10 15:15:25 mickeyl, you have to take in account that the UI is framebuffer and require non-free 3d Dec 10 15:15:36 directfb to be more exact Dec 10 15:19:11 I hope that covers the modem tough Dec 10 15:40:17 well, directfb per se is not unfree Dec 10 15:41:03 whether it performs nice on unaccelerated framebuffers is another question Dec 10 15:42:15 wrt modem, we dont need their code Dec 10 15:42:25 morphis stuff works fine imo Dec 10 15:59:59 mickeyl: compiling is all *I* care about for android-rpc ;) Dec 10 16:05:57 mickeyl, even with GPS? Dec 10 16:18:27 hmmm I failed at adding the dummy interupt handler Dec 10 16:18:42 I'll look better later Dec 10 17:34:42 good evening! Dec 10 17:42:40 GNUtoo, due to our discussion of yesterday: there is an interview where the CEO of HP states, that they absolutly don't want do keep any part of webOS closed: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/2624209/meg-whitman-marc-andreessen-web-os-open-source-interview Dec 10 17:43:25 ok Dec 10 17:43:39 let's see how it works out Dec 10 17:43:47 ok Dec 10 18:03:11 i just run shr-core in my gta02 but after the shr loading screen and after half a minute it stuck to a black screen Dec 10 18:05:54 chomwitt, nand or microsd? Dec 10 18:06:00 microsd Dec 10 18:06:21 chomwitt, what command did you use to extract? Dec 10 18:06:31 tar xvf Dec 10 18:06:31 in other words did you use --numeric-owner? Dec 10 18:06:35 no Dec 10 18:06:42 retry with --numeric-owner at the end Dec 10 18:06:52 ok. thanks. Dec 10 18:07:20 basically without --numeric-owner uid/gid are messed up Dec 10 18:07:45 which causes a problem in the dbus launcher that is in /usr/libexec/ Dec 10 19:40:00 GNUtoo: now its ok . thanks Dec 10 19:50:21 ok nivr Dec 10 19:50:26 *ok nice Dec 10 20:03:32 mrmoku: hello Dec 10 20:17:03 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r80c44e9ea8e1 10/meta-samsung/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-samsung-crespo_git.bb: meta-samsung: bump crespo's srcrev to make it boot again Dec 10 20:17:44 GNUtoo: ping Dec 10 20:19:33 nschle85, pong Dec 10 20:19:43 I guess your kernel doesn't boot anymore Dec 10 20:20:15 GNUtoo: no, i did not update :-) Dec 10 20:20:18 ok Dec 10 20:20:22 but in your builds? Dec 10 20:20:37 ok so what did you want to ping me for? Dec 10 20:21:14 GNUtoo: what kind of presentation equipment is available during FSOSHRCON is there a beamer ? Dec 10 20:21:43 no idea, ask mrmoku Dec 10 20:21:48 ok Dec 10 20:22:21 nschle85: there was a nice projector at LinuxHotel.de, yes. Dec 10 20:22:25 GNUtoo: is it save to update and install new shr for N900 ? Dec 10 20:23:06 ? Dec 10 20:23:27 GNUtoo: you asked me abou booting kernel.. Dec 10 20:23:40 yes I didn't understand the response Dec 10 20:23:44 is there any problem ? Dec 10 20:23:50 yes there is Dec 10 20:23:59 if you rebuild the kernel it'll fails to boot Dec 10 20:24:03 I'll tr to fix Dec 10 20:24:05 *try Dec 10 20:24:40 GNUtoo: hmm, it would be nice to have current shr installed on FSOSHRCON Dec 10 20:24:45 so how can i help ? Dec 10 20:25:14 you mean for using it as a phone? Dec 10 20:26:18 GNUtoo: no, to be able to check bug entries in TRAC agains current firmware Dec 10 20:26:29 ah ok Dec 10 20:26:44 just untar the rootfs without forgetting --numeric-owner on the microsd Dec 10 20:27:46 GNUtoo: this you told me (is was for dbus bug i had) Dec 10 20:28:15 yes but there is also another bug that JaMa|Off knows about which create the exact same issue Dec 10 20:28:53 GNUtoo: so the build kernel is correct and can boot ? Dec 10 20:29:15 no idea Dec 10 20:29:39 it depend on if the kenrel was built after toolchain change or not Dec 10 20:30:04 GNUtoo: ok, lets say after toolchain change... Dec 10 20:30:40 after toolchain change it won't boot Dec 10 20:30:45 I'll try to fix it right now Dec 10 20:31:10 GNUtoo: reverting toolchain change is not possible ? Dec 10 20:32:50 yes but I've a better fix Dec 10 20:33:09 I'll try it right now Dec 10 20:33:26 GNUtoo: ahh ok, so you just finished :-) Dec 10 20:33:47 no, I did it for crespo Dec 10 20:33:52 and I'll try it for n900 Dec 10 20:33:57 GNUtoo: ok Dec 10 20:37:06 GNUtoo: fix? that is good :-) Dec 10 20:37:13 PaulFertser: i have no notebook available (the netbook of my wife takes 2 weeks to compile a shr image), is it usual to bring own desktop PC to fsoshrcon ? Dec 10 20:37:14 yes Dec 10 20:37:36 thanks to khem who I forgott to mention in the crespo Dec 10 20:37:58 it's just a flag to pass to gcc Dec 10 20:38:06 ohh Dec 10 20:38:13 so since people may want to build kenrel outside oe(I do) I added it in Makefile Dec 10 20:38:16 I probably want that for gta04 too? Dec 10 20:38:17 it makes crespo boot Dec 10 20:38:26 but I'm not sure it works for other phones Dec 10 20:38:30 ok Dec 10 20:38:35 (I didn't get a trace on other phones) Dec 10 20:38:41 (no serial console on n900) Dec 10 20:38:44 mrmoku: PaulFertser: send you some patches regarding ligbisi update, did you have time to test them ? Dec 10 20:39:17 nschle85: i think that's ok to bring your desktop PC, no problem at all. Dec 10 20:39:48 PaulFertser: how is network connection ? ethernet / wlan or 3G ? Dec 10 20:40:37 nschle85: i remember ethernet is available. Dec 10 20:40:54 nschle85: it was two years ago though, probably more up-to-date info is at the official website. Dec 10 20:40:58 nschle85: I was waiting for the kernel to boot again :) Dec 10 20:41:17 nschle85: both... ethernet and wlan Dec 10 20:41:23 nice connectivity there Dec 10 20:41:53 mrmoku: ok, did you also made some changes on fso because of updating libgisi ? Dec 10 20:41:54 boots again Dec 10 20:41:57 I'll push the change Dec 10 20:42:06 GNUtoo: thx Dec 10 20:42:29 nschle85: I did not even try to build them as I have no working image Dec 10 20:42:42 mrmoku: should i try ? Dec 10 20:42:44 now that GNUtoo has a fix I will try Dec 10 20:43:46 one second, let me push Dec 10 20:44:40 mrmoku: there are a lot of vala warnings, so let me please analyze them and fix, this will help me to learn vala Dec 10 20:46:37 nschle85: hehe, mickeyl said on his presentation about vala the other weekend that one bad thing that comes with vala are the warnings... which are basically unfixable :P Dec 10 20:46:46 one has to live with them Dec 10 20:47:36 mrmoku: the compiler gives a lot of hints.. so i should look at them :-) Dec 10 20:48:20 have fun ;) Dec 10 20:48:48 but right you are... one should at least look at them and see if they are fixable Dec 10 20:50:32 mrmoku, should I build in shr too before pushing the srcrev change? Dec 10 20:50:54 in other words are you in a hurry? Dec 10 20:52:06 GNUtoo: what can be broken ? Dec 10 20:52:22 GNUtoo: an unbootable system :-) Dec 10 20:52:28 nothing but if we don't build anymore before pushing that's bad Dec 10 20:52:56 for instance it could break parsing( it doesn't) Dec 10 20:53:06 GNUtoo: ok, thats true Dec 10 20:53:14 which will break not only SHR but also angstrom Dec 10 20:53:23 (angstrom depend on meta-smarphone machines part) Dec 10 20:54:13 for instance during the summer I fixed something in SHR while working for a company because of that: Dec 10 20:54:28 morphis did stuff for palm pre which broke tslib for every one else Dec 10 20:54:35 and we used angstrom at work Dec 10 20:54:45 and we depended on tslib Dec 10 20:54:57 so that was nice to be able to fix stuff for shr while beeing at work.... Dec 10 20:55:15 GNUtoo: i hope you do not depend on latest pushes at work :-) Dec 10 20:55:24 at the time we did Dec 10 20:55:40 since we were porting stuff from oe to core based oe Dec 10 20:56:02 GNUtoo: ups.. but we can talk about broken code on FSOSHRCON Dec 10 20:56:03 you have to start from somewhere Dec 10 20:56:14 define broken code Dec 10 20:56:24 we want to talk about stability Dec 10 20:56:35 in the sense that we want bug-free systems Dec 10 20:56:42 regression-free Dec 10 20:56:43 etc... Dec 10 20:57:11 but I guess that achieving something that always compile is very very hard Dec 10 20:57:13 GNUtoo: i think we can talk about to get the code more stable Dec 10 20:57:13 GNUtoo: no hurry Dec 10 20:57:20 ok Dec 10 20:57:49 GNUtoo: i hope we can identify why shr has such problems Dec 10 20:58:37 GNUtoo: can i add this to the agenda ? "Identifying stability reasons ? " Dec 10 20:58:58 it's already inside the agenda Dec 10 20:59:20 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/FSOSHRCON_2011_AGENDA#Most_Important_topics Dec 10 20:59:28 Stability(regressions/bugs) and QA [added by GNUtoo] => addressed by shr-staging Dec 10 20:59:32 so add to that Dec 10 20:59:37 ** is the syntax Dec 10 20:59:44 for adding sub-bullets Dec 10 20:59:57 just complete instead of adding Dec 10 21:00:23 what do you want exactly? compilation that work? runtime issue addressed? Dec 10 21:00:43 because stability means different things to different people Dec 10 21:00:52 for some people it even means code freeze Dec 10 21:01:43 GNUtoo: compilatin that work Dec 10 21:01:48 ok Dec 10 21:01:52 add it Dec 10 21:02:03 but precise that it's for compilation Dec 10 21:02:59 GNUtoo: ok ill do Dec 10 21:03:39 while it's compiling I can even talk about it Dec 10 21:03:48 to help you precise the points Dec 10 21:04:10 first it may be possible to improve it Dec 10 21:04:26 but it's not possible to fix everything: Dec 10 21:04:30 * too many machines Dec 10 21:04:36 ** om-gta01 Dec 10 21:04:40 ** om-gta02 Dec 10 21:04:43 ** palm pre Dec 10 21:04:56 ** htcdream (currently broken) Dec 10 21:05:01 ** nexus one Dec 10 21:05:03 GNUtoo: lets talk about it on FSOSHRCON Dec 10 21:05:04 ** Nexus S Dec 10 21:05:06 etc... Dec 10 21:05:21 * different build configurations Dec 10 21:05:30 ** from scratch/incremental Dec 10 21:05:37 or both Dec 10 21:05:39 ok Dec 10 21:05:55 but for instance morphis broke stuff sometimes Dec 10 21:05:56 GNUtoo: i agree, the build system has a lot of issues Dec 10 21:06:03 that could be avoided Dec 10 21:06:06 example: Dec 10 21:06:35 GNUtoo: so api changes are dangerous Dec 10 21:06:38 he does some changes which breaks fsogsmd Dec 10 21:06:57 no, I guess he didn't test enough or didn't have the means to test Dec 10 21:07:14 for instance he may test locally Dec 10 21:07:19 then it works Dec 10 21:07:22 then he push Dec 10 21:07:27 then I build and it's broken Dec 10 21:07:31 because some stuff were not pushed Dec 10 21:07:42 some forgetten stuff Dec 10 21:07:50 in another hand he does a so great job Dec 10 21:07:56 palm pre, nexus S modems.... Dec 10 21:08:04 GNUtoo: do you know already when you arrive in Essen? Dec 10 21:08:16 not to count about msm modem that we don't support but their modem are supported Dec 10 21:08:26 mrmoku, let me look Dec 10 21:08:53 plane arrives at dusselforf at 12:30 Dec 10 21:09:02 ok Dec 10 21:09:43 then form Dusselforf to Essen I take the train Dec 10 21:10:05 I hope they won't bother me at the airport because of the high number of phones Dec 10 21:10:26 I'm trying to time things... that you and mickey arrive around the same time in Esssen to pick you up Dec 10 21:10:53 ok Dec 10 21:11:37 btw what's tux at the linux hotel? Dec 10 21:11:44 there is tux written on openstreetmap Dec 10 21:11:57 tux? Dec 10 21:12:54 no idea Dec 10 21:13:18 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=44.825103&mlon=-0.557025&zoom=18&layers=M Dec 10 21:13:26 at the right there is linuxHotel Dec 10 21:13:33 and just before at its left there is Tux Dec 10 21:14:01 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=7.10942506790161&minlat=51.4299468994141&maxlon=7.1095232963562&maxlat=51.430046081543 Dec 10 21:14:07 oops the first link was wrong Dec 10 21:14:20 mrmoku, ^^^ Dec 10 21:14:58 yeah, but I have no idea... I don't remember any Tux statue there :P Dec 10 21:15:06 ok lol Dec 10 21:15:09 maybe it's new Dec 10 21:34:17 SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * r7f8f34488dba 10/meta-nokia/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-nokia900-meego_git.bb: meta-nokia: bump nokia900's srcrev to make it boot again Dec 10 21:42:11 will try to make bluetooth work now Dec 10 21:42:55 GNUtoo: should i start a build job ? Dec 10 21:43:26 http://norman-schleicher.de/jenkins/? Dec 10 21:43:27 yes but once you boot don't forget to chown root:messagebus /usr/libexec/the_dbus_launcher Dec 10 21:43:36 and to chmod +s it right after Dec 10 21:43:54 because there is a new bug that causes bogus gid again.... Dec 10 21:44:03 JaMa|Off, knows about Dec 10 21:44:38 GNUtoo: using the right params in tar is not sufficient ? Dec 10 21:44:58 as I said there is a *new* bug Dec 10 21:45:13 if you want I can look in irc logs but that would be long Dec 10 21:48:40 GNUtoo: I will build tomorrow with an updated libgisi Dec 10 21:48:45 ok Dec 10 21:48:48 now I need some sleep Dec 10 21:48:56 ok Dec 10 21:48:57 gnight Dec 10 21:49:00 good night Dec 10 21:49:02 GNUtoo: and thx for fixing that Dec 10 21:49:06 np Dec 10 21:49:16 it unblocks my n900 :) Dec 10 21:49:18 just one last thing: Dec 10 21:49:20 ok Dec 10 21:49:24 the fix are in the kernels Dec 10 21:49:34 so when copying the fix to other devices Dec 10 21:49:45 look at last n900 and crespo kernel commits Dec 10 21:49:50 ok Dec 10 21:49:58 there is a new kernel for gta04 Dec 10 21:50:04 3.2 Dec 10 21:50:09 will bump to it and try to do your fix Dec 10 21:50:18 I follow gta04 ml as well Dec 10 21:50:22 based on rc5 Dec 10 21:50:25 yeah Dec 10 21:50:27 and my gta04 is on the way Dec 10 21:50:27 good :) Dec 10 21:50:34 very good :-D Dec 10 21:50:47 altough I hope my mails reach the gta04 ml Dec 10 21:50:53 because I often have some good pointers Dec 10 21:50:59 and there are no response to them Dec 10 21:51:01 I will try to setup a local buildenv for fso on my laptop Dec 10 21:51:09 ok Dec 10 21:51:11 that would make working on fsoaudiod a lot easier Dec 10 21:51:16 ok Dec 10 21:51:21 I might even use it there :) Dec 10 21:51:27 Die Sendung wurde im Hermes Zentral-HUB sortiert. Dec 10 21:51:31 that's the gta04 tracking Dec 10 21:51:33 ohh Dec 10 21:51:47 cool Dec 10 21:51:53 but no indications of the country Dec 10 21:52:14 probably still DE Dec 10 21:52:17 ok Dec 10 21:52:33 I'd like to get it before the FSOSHRCON Dec 10 21:52:45 but does not make much of a difference if it then goes from DE to DE or DE to IT Dec 10 21:52:55 because I guess I'll be one of the rare people with a complete one Dec 10 21:53:05 :) Dec 10 21:53:13 it does, IT has a bridge Dec 10 21:53:30 santo ambroggio Dec 10 21:53:36 though if it's on the way now it should hit you before FSOSHRCON Dec 10 21:53:55 yes altough I've a broad that should come when I'm at FSOSHRCON Dec 10 21:53:58 *board Dec 10 21:54:04 it'll be 50% GTA04 owners :) Dec 10 21:54:10 ? Dec 10 21:54:19 at Essen Dec 10 21:54:31 you, Slyon, mickeyl and me Dec 10 21:54:36 ah ok Dec 10 21:54:49 I hope it arrives first Dec 10 21:54:56 you never know....(Italy) Dec 10 21:55:12 and with Neil doing good kernel works... we should get somewhere :) Dec 10 21:55:26 yes altough he should upstream as much as possible Dec 10 21:55:31 else it will be like gta02 Dec 10 21:55:44 yeah, but that is what he does I think Dec 10 21:55:45 where people are stuck because glamo + wifi are not upstream Dec 10 21:55:52 ok nice Dec 10 21:56:25 hi leviathan Dec 10 21:56:28 ok, bed is calling Dec 10 21:56:29 cu Dec 10 21:56:34 ok see you Dec 10 21:56:41 leviathan, still no luck with 3d printers? Dec 10 22:19:49 Ainulindale: ping Dec 10 22:23:02 GNUtoo: hi Dec 10 22:23:34 I've got designed a new schematic with L297 and L298 based on some DIP-experiments :-) Dec 10 22:23:46 I'll edge it soon onto a PCB Dec 10 22:24:03 hopefully it works as the DIP prototype did Dec 10 22:24:09 leviathan, ok Dec 10 22:24:25 I meant 3d printing like for cases Dec 10 22:24:31 because I had an idea Dec 10 22:24:49 do you know small bluetooth keyboard Dec 10 22:25:02 designing a stand for om-gta01,02,04 would be good Dec 10 22:25:08 it would be easy Dec 10 22:26:42 hmm Dec 10 22:27:17 we could also use the I²C-Interface for keyboards on the BCP Dec 10 22:27:28 in order to connect a keyboard Dec 10 22:28:06 we could even tinker our own keyboard with an ATMega8 and some home-edged PCB ;-) Dec 10 22:28:23 ok Dec 10 22:28:42 that's good for an internal keyboard Dec 10 22:28:58 but external keyboards are nice too, bigger etc... Dec 10 22:29:02 for instance for the shell Dec 10 22:29:07 they are more complete too Dec 10 22:29:12 and still small Dec 10 22:29:19 the one I've got fit in my pocket Dec 10 22:30:41 but having an internal keyboard is also so great Dec 10 22:30:48 the 2 things are just different Dec 10 22:30:59 and not mutually exclusive Dec 10 22:31:12 for instance the n900 would permit both....if only bluetooth worked Dec 10 22:32:01 GNUtoo: i would like to make "Nägel mit Köpfen" Dec 10 22:32:13 what's that? Dec 10 22:32:40 GNUtoo: word by word translation: Nails with Head Dec 10 22:33:03 ok, but what does that idiom means? Dec 10 22:33:17 to get concrete Dec 10 22:33:24 more specific Dec 10 22:33:33 ok Dec 10 22:33:43 please have a look at agenda Dec 10 22:33:50 so you want bluetooth to work too? Dec 10 22:33:51 ok Dec 10 22:34:45 ok good Dec 10 22:35:07 GNUtoo: ups, i never use, but i do not know of there are any bluetooth bugs Dec 10 22:36:07 GNUtoo: i would like to arrange your topics in a concrete time table Dec 10 22:36:21 on n900 it would be to be able to use my bluetooth small keyboard Dec 10 22:36:53 that would make it replace a netbook Dec 10 22:38:00 and on om-gta02 I use bleutooth mainly to get a decent music sound Dec 10 22:38:12 because there is a capacitor which value is too low Dec 10 22:38:18 which acts like a filter Dec 10 22:38:22 distorting the sound Dec 10 22:38:22 GNUtoo: i know that you are fillimg out a feature list comparing devices ... what was the link ? Dec 10 22:38:38 (I don't remember if it's high-pass or low-pass filter tough) Dec 10 22:38:41 yes Dec 10 22:38:55 http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison Dec 10 22:40:15 GNUtoo: for N900 its markes as working so it should work, if not, please add a bug report Dec 10 22:40:40 bluetooth is broken since ages Dec 10 22:40:55 it's the new meego kernel with dvfs which broke it Dec 10 22:41:03 there is a workarround that I'd like to try Dec 10 22:41:23 I've no idea if the workarround can make my keyboard work or if it just permit the scan Dec 10 22:41:47 GNUtoo: so it would be nice to have a ticket, to follow the progress Dec 10 22:42:13 GNUtoo: but that was not my question Dec 10 22:42:43 but i agree we should test the current firmwares against your list Dec 10 22:45:08 the list is what can or should work (that is to say not broken by bugs) Dec 10 22:45:26 GNUtoo: ? Dec 10 22:45:47 GNUtoo: N900 Bluetooth GREEN Dec 10 22:45:59 yes that should be updated Dec 10 22:46:01 it worked before Dec 10 22:46:33 so now we have bug Dec 10 22:46:47 yes but it's more problematic than just a bug Dec 10 22:47:07 we don't want to revert to loose DVFS Dec 10 22:47:32 which kernel tree are we using these days for the n900? Dec 10 22:47:47 let me look Dec 10 22:48:59 git://git.freesmartphone.org/linux-2.6.git;protocol=git;branch=nokia900/kernel-adaptation-n900-2.6.37-57.1 Dec 10 22:49:05 thanks Dec 10 22:49:10 so nearly the same Dec 10 22:49:14 but with DVFS Dec 10 22:49:17 mickeyl: please have a look at agenda, Collection of Lectures.. can you please give an overview of currently used implementations/software ? Dec 10 22:49:20 there is a 3.0 but without modem Dec 10 22:49:58 nschle85: sounds good Dec 10 22:50:10 is fsotransport compiling for anyone? Dec 10 22:50:15 bails out with some ref termios problem here Dec 10 22:50:29 and I guess I'll have to do the device status Dec 10 22:50:35 I know every device but palm pre Dec 10 22:50:38 yah Dec 10 22:50:38 (and gta01) Dec 10 22:51:40 ~seen morphis Dec 10 22:51:41 morphis <~morphis@p5B2C3EF2.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 8h 30m 58s ago, saying: ':)'. Dec 10 22:51:55 mickeyl: i know you have a little baby but, at the moment there are a lot implementations for eg GPS ... but what is the strategy for FSO how to implement ? Dec 10 22:52:05 lets talk about that on the weekend Dec 10 22:52:16 i can give a historical lesson :) Dec 10 22:52:22 since we went over quite some phases Dec 10 22:52:25 too much to write now Dec 10 22:52:32 (and i'm hitting the sack soon) Dec 10 22:52:49 bottom line though is: Dec 10 22:53:02 everything that gpsd supports we support Dec 10 22:53:10 through libgps Dec 10 22:53:51 so from that point of view it might make sense to add new implementations to libgps and then fsotdld will automatically benefit Dec 10 22:54:19 mickeyl: but how do they benefit ? Dec 10 22:54:30 trough the gpsd plugin Dec 10 22:54:49 GNUtoo: i know that you know alot... Dec 10 22:55:21 but for new developers, fso architecture/implementation is very confusing Dec 10 22:55:28 ok Dec 10 22:55:45 nschle85: pong Dec 10 22:55:52 yes for instance there is fsoaudiod and fsodeviced's audio Dec 10 22:56:01 and similar things that are confusing Dec 10 22:56:10 JaMa|Off: back from work :-) Dec 10 22:56:22 and in gps there are 2 implementations(fsodtldt and ogpsd) Dec 10 22:56:34 JaMa|Off: why a java developer hast to work a lot ? Dec 10 22:57:09 nschle85: getting ready for tomorrow's work ... (going to bed soon) Dec 10 23:02:02 playya: do you know the reason for cornucopia:24e3fa10feea22c0f90268188fc72db4a72eacf7 ? Dec 10 23:02:14 i can't seem to find any commit in vala that would justify adding those ref's Dec 10 23:02:27 dova seems to pass structs by value these days, but i can't find that in vala Dec 10 23:39:54 mickeyl: ping Dec 10 23:40:07 <[Rui]> hi Dec 10 23:43:29 [Rui]: hello, whom was your hi dedidaced ? Dec 10 23:46:29 <[Rui]> anyone awake :) brb Dec 10 23:52:35 [Rui]: brb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:38:49 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:40:15 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:59:57 2011