**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 13 02:59:57 2011
Dec 13 06:41:47 <mrmoku> moin
Dec 13 06:41:54 <mrmoku> antrik: news?
Dec 13 06:42:01 * mrmoku has to return the final list today
Dec 13 07:39:07 <mrmoku> JaMa: heh, efl becoming one thing
Dec 13 07:44:16 <JaMa> yup just read
Dec 13 07:44:37 <JaMa> haven't decided if it's better or worse for us :)
Dec 13 07:44:50 <mrmoku> hehe yeah
Dec 13 07:45:52 <JaMa> mrmoku: if BINDINGS get to different tree or part of tree then they will maybe drift even more :/
Dec 13 07:51:27 <JaMa> mrmoku: elsa patch in svn :)
Dec 13 08:02:42 <mrmoku> yo
Dec 13 08:10:46 <DocScrutinizer51> yo
Dec 13 08:34:35 <JaMa> mrmoku: should I wait for more testers or just publish 004 (and maybe all too 009)?
Dec 13 08:40:08 <karl629> JaMa: could be my own fault, but I think 009 kernel doesn't boot, n900.
Dec 13 08:41:01 <JaMa> are you sure it's from 009? it was broken around 006 but 009 should be fine
Dec 13 08:41:06 <JaMa> boots here
Dec 13 08:44:04 <karl629> ok, then it seems to be on my side. Still haven't figured out, why it sometimes boots and sometimes not. something u-boot. well... later.
Dec 13 08:45:26 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rfaf340e59c90 10/ (194 files in 17 dirs): system upgrade
Dec 13 09:29:54 * JaMa waves good bye to EFL_SRCREV_1.1.0 and bumps EFL_SRCREV
Dec 13 10:33:36 <DocScrutinizer51> moo
Dec 13 10:34:26 <JaMa> hoohoo
Dec 13 10:35:57 <DocScrutinizer51> you know clearcase?
Dec 13 10:36:21 <JaMa> nope
Dec 13 10:36:43 <DocScrutinizer51> congrats ;-D
Dec 13 10:37:19 <JaMa> hehe
Dec 13 10:37:58 <DocScrutinizer51> I just wonder how long it takes 'officially' to learn it
Dec 13 10:38:00 <JaMa> condolence ;-D
Dec 13 10:39:01 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm looking into it for 5 days now, and just yesterday understood the basic operation peinciples
Dec 13 10:39:25 <DocScrutinizer51> mindboggling
Dec 13 10:39:58 <DocScrutinizer51> a proper lecture might have speeded up the process a lot
Dec 13 10:46:07 <mrmoku> mickey_office: yo, getting closer :-)
Dec 13 10:46:09 <mrmoku> [NETLINK] NEWLINK:
Dec 13 10:46:09 <mrmoku> LINK_MTU = 0
Dec 13 10:46:09 <mrmoku> LINK_TYPE = ether
Dec 13 10:46:09 <mrmoku> LINK_NAME = wlan0
Dec 13 10:46:11 <mrmoku> LINK_FAMILY = unspec
Dec 13 10:46:14 <mrmoku> LINK_TXQUEUELEN = 0
Dec 13 10:46:16 <mrmoku> LINK_IFINDEX = 3
Dec 13 10:48:22 <mickey_office> mrmoku: excellent, keep on! :)
Dec 13 10:48:41 <mrmoku> sure :)
Dec 13 10:48:51 <mrmoku> going to finish that now
Dec 13 10:59:36 <antrik> mrmoku: good news! :-)
Dec 13 10:59:56 <antrik> I'm in
Dec 13 11:03:16 <mrmoku> antrik: great :-)
Dec 13 11:03:37 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, what's that?
Dec 13 11:03:38 <GNUtoo> hi btw
Dec 13 11:03:42 <mrmoku> mickey_office: what to do with #defines in a .c ?
Dec 13 11:03:51 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: ?
Dec 13 11:03:59 <GNUtoo> <mrmoku> LINK_NAME = wlan0
Dec 13 11:03:59 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: and hi too :)
Dec 13 11:04:05 <mrmoku> ahh... converting fso to libnl-3
Dec 13 11:04:08 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 11:04:19 <mrmoku> which makes developing a *lot* easier
Dec 13 11:04:23 <GNUtoo> nice
Dec 13 11:04:25 <mrmoku> as libnl-3 can be installed in parallel
Dec 13 11:06:56 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: any news from Hermes?
Dec 13 11:07:12 <mrmoku> guess short before xmas they're quite busy ;)
Dec 13 11:07:30 <GNUtoo> ok , yes they are here:
Dec 13 11:07:36 <GNUtoo> Die Sendung ist in der Hermes Niederlassung TP Milano 128 eingetroffen. 
Dec 13 11:07:58 <GNUtoo> I just received a package but it was not the gta04, it was stuff for work
Dec 13 11:07:58 <mrmoku> cool :-)
Dec 13 11:08:10 <mrmoku> yeah, but latest tomorrow it should hit you
Dec 13 11:08:17 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 11:08:36 <GNUtoo> the problem is that I've to go to the university this afternoon
Dec 13 11:10:42 <mickey_office> mrmoku: i usually bind defines as public const int
Dec 13 11:10:58 <mrmoku> mickey_office: yeah, but there is no header containing them
Dec 13 11:11:04 <mrmoku> so I copy them into the vapi?
Dec 13 11:11:07 <mickey_office> oh, it's in the C
Dec 13 11:11:12 <mrmoku> indeed :/
Dec 13 11:11:20 <mrmoku> which might be a sign one should not need them...
Dec 13 11:11:22 <mickey_office> hmm, that's bad, how's it supposed to be public API?
Dec 13 11:11:25 <mickey_office> yeah
Dec 13 11:11:43 <mrmoku> if (link->ce_mask & LINK_ATTR_ADDR) 
Dec 13 11:11:46 <mickey_office> if it's not in the header, you can't use it
Dec 13 11:11:50 <mrmoku> is what the old dumping was doing
Dec 13 11:12:01 <mickey_office> hmm, then we may have to introduce an additional header containing these constants
Dec 13 11:12:03 <mrmoku> hmm... I probably have to use get_addr and check if it's null
Dec 13 11:12:05 <mrmoku> that's it
Dec 13 11:12:11 <mickey_office> ok, even better
Dec 13 11:12:24 * mrmoku will try if that fits for all cases
Dec 13 11:12:31 * mickey_office adds 'WebOS' to the FSOSHRCON agenda
Dec 13 11:12:56 <mrmoku> hehe
Dec 13 11:16:15 <mrmoku> LINK_ADDRESS = 4a:61:de:ba:51:90
Dec 13 11:16:17 <mrmoku> nice :)
Dec 13 11:22:42 <mickey_office> awesome
Dec 13 11:30:49 <HeinervdmWork> mickey_office: can you create me a FSO wiki account?
Dec 13 11:33:04 <mickey_office> HeinervdmWork: i have opened permission to create accounts. please tell me when you have created yours then i close it again.
Dec 13 11:33:20 <mickey_office> i have to do it on request, since we could not manage to fight against the spammers :/
Dec 13 11:36:33 <HeinervdmWork> mickey_office: The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators. 
Dec 13 11:36:45 <mickey_office> hmm, perhaps reloading?
Dec 13 11:36:55 <mickey_office> i don't know how often the mediawiki reads its localsettings.php
Dec 13 11:37:03 <mickey_office> or wait, perhaps i changed it in the wrong version of mediawiki config
Dec 13 11:37:05 <mickey_office> let me check
Dec 13 11:37:12 <HeinervdmWork> ok
Dec 13 11:37:20 <HeinervdmWork> i'm trying this link: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Special:UserLogin/signup
Dec 13 11:37:34 <mickey_office> ok, please try again
Dec 13 11:38:06 <HeinervdmWork> still the same error
Dec 13 11:38:42 <mickey_office> ok, then i'll do it.
Dec 13 11:38:46 <mickey_office> preferred login?
Dec 13 11:38:51 <HeinervdmWork> Heinervdm
Dec 13 11:38:58 <mickey_office> k, which mail?
Dec 13 11:40:25 <HeinervdmWork> danke
Dec 13 12:24:05 <GNUtoo> JaMa, VQuickSilver seems that all kernel need -mno-unaligned-access (htcdream needs it too)
Dec 13 12:24:22 <GNUtoo> so even om-gta02 I guess
Dec 13 12:24:26 <GNUtoo> I've to test tough
Dec 13 12:25:29 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, ok
Dec 13 12:27:16 <GNUtoo> VQuickSilver, for how to do it:
Dec 13 12:27:49 <GNUtoo> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=78ffc81db8911acdabd026ad3fdefa20b4e34e52
Dec 13 12:28:56 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, I suposse rmcc kernel sources already has that, because it works ok
Dec 13 12:29:01 <GNUtoo> no
Dec 13 12:29:05 <GNUtoo> not sure
Dec 13 12:29:16 <GNUtoo> it's because we changed toolchain
Dec 13 12:31:36 <GNUtoo> VQuickSilver, the good news is that my image boots with that flag
Dec 13 12:31:47 <GNUtoo> I mean I can ssh into it
Dec 13 12:31:52 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, you are right
Dec 13 12:31:54 <GNUtoo> so you succedded at making the file
Dec 13 12:31:58 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, in geeksphone?
Dec 13 12:31:59 <GNUtoo> (armv6 thing)
Dec 13 12:32:03 <GNUtoo> no
Dec 13 12:32:07 <GNUtoo> I've still no battery
Dec 13 12:32:10 <GNUtoo> on htcdream
Dec 13 12:32:12 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, ok
Dec 13 12:32:33 <GNUtoo> I'll test a bit more and push my htcdream change
Dec 13 12:32:44 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, ok 
Dec 13 12:33:48 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, I can't build core-image-minimal no mathers what I do, bitbake eats all my ram
Dec 13 12:34:11 <GNUtoo> try reporting in #oe or #yocto
Dec 13 12:34:27 <GNUtoo> that's definitely not normal....
Dec 13 12:34:37 <GNUtoo> and says it's during compilation
Dec 13 12:34:48 <GNUtoo> I've 4GB too btw
Dec 13 12:34:55 <GNUtoo> and some swap
Dec 13 12:38:11 <DocScrutinizer51> rewcursive #include?
Dec 13 12:52:21 <GNUtoo> hopefully I tested and didn't blindly push for a such simple change:
Dec 13 12:52:22 <GNUtoo> Package version for package kernel-headers went backwards which would break package feeds from (0:2.6.32+r0+gitrcf1af2ebaa38e265bf0b76038a7a169ef3f3585c-r0 to 0:2.6.32+r0+gitrbf7221ba95f418269dd573c9ff3e7f00452221a1-r0)
Dec 13 12:52:28 <GNUtoo> I'll fix before pushing
Dec 13 12:53:17 <GNUtoo> ah ok it still uses the old srcrev thing
Dec 13 12:53:23 <GNUtoo> not srcpv
Dec 13 13:20:14 <CIA-82> SHR: 03GNUtoo 07meta-smartphone * rcd3ee00f50f5 10/meta-htc/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-htcdream_git.bb: meta-htc: bump htcdream's srcrev to make it boot again
Dec 13 13:20:35 <GNUtoo> oops about the commit message, I forgett to tell it's a kernel
Dec 13 14:55:05 <pabs3> mickeyl: re your blog post, qtmoko seems reasonably complete in terms of apps, it can even send email. I hear it is being ported to FSO too
Dec 13 15:22:49 <JaMa> mrmoku: looks good http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/66162
Dec 13 15:25:03 <mrmoku> JaMa: maybe it finally works even ;)
Dec 13 15:25:27 <JaMa> yup, trying to bump with pam even :)
Dec 13 15:25:32 <mrmoku> mickey_office: fast depends very much on when they will open the UI stack though
Dec 13 15:25:55 * mrmoku wants to take a look next weekend if WebOS is really that nice ;)
Dec 13 15:29:26 <CIA-82> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * ree6e18044ad3 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/tasks/task-fso2-compliance.bb: task-fso2-compliance: drop connman-scripts, removed by oe-core commit 6f9594cddefe74ce7381e4fa2a68cb8a542d6d2e
Dec 13 15:51:11 <mrmoku> netlinknotifier.c:157:6: note: expected 'struct rtnl_neigh *' but argument is of type 'struct rtnl_neigh *'
Dec 13 15:51:18 <mrmoku> heh
Dec 13 16:00:31 <DocScrutinizer51> "the ultimate purpose of cme is not to add functionality to clearcase, but to clean up and possibly remove some of the more obscure functions"  -- nice :-D
Dec 13 16:03:01 <DocScrutinizer51> seems it helped, the main 'user manual' wikipage seen 108 hits in 4 years
Dec 13 16:03:14 <DocScrutinizer51> 'me shudders
Dec 13 16:51:52 <JaMa> building qt4 and libreoffice at the same time is not nice load average: 27.75, 24.80, 18.85
Dec 13 17:18:54 <jake42> just flashed 009 to uSD-card. now i've the same problem with display not turning on after e-wizard
Dec 13 17:19:23 <jake42> is there a workaround?
Dec 13 17:25:07 <JaMa> jake42: check dbus (see 004 info)
Dec 13 17:25:12 <JaMa> jake42: which device?
Dec 13 17:25:29 <JaMa> jake42: did you use --numeric-owner when unpacking the image?
Dec 13 17:28:01 <jake42> gta02
Dec 13 17:28:09 <jake42> JaMa: jup i did
Dec 13 17:29:24 <JaMa> and /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch owner is who?
Dec 13 17:30:02 <JaMa> the owner is right in image, see http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520331/
Dec 13 17:32:41 <jake42> hmm says -rwsr-xr-- 1 root 998 140K Dec 11 14:59 dbus-daemon-launch-helper
Dec 13 17:35:35 <jake42> should be 997 
Dec 13 17:35:35 <jake42> i guess
Dec 13 17:38:05 <JaMa> are you sure you've used --numeric-owner?
Dec 13 17:39:31 <jake42> i did tar xpzf shr-full-20111212-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz -C /media/neo --numeric-owner
Dec 13 17:41:37 <JaMa> or different test http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520335/
Dec 13 17:45:52 <jake42> gona boot with serialconsole
Dec 13 17:47:52 <jake42> it says -rwsr-xr--    1 root     netdev    139.3K Dec 11 13:59 /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper on neo itself
Dec 13 17:51:19 <jake42> JaMa: what do your test show with --numeric-owner?
Dec 13 17:54:58 <jake42> gui for messagebus is 997 according to etc/group
Dec 13 17:55:05 <jake42> not 998
Dec 13 17:56:08 <lindi-> gid
Dec 13 17:57:01 <JaMa> looks you're right http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520349/
Dec 13 17:57:06 <jake42> i ment gid yes ;)
Dec 13 17:58:14 <JaMa> 004 images also have 998 too
Dec 13 17:58:38 <jake42> strange that 004 worked for me at some point
Dec 13 17:59:42 <PaulFertser> For those interested in GNUtoo's investigation into kernels: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/117863
Dec 13 18:00:25 <JaMa> jake42: it has 998 in etc/group.. hmm
Dec 13 18:01:10 <PaulFertser> Generating unaligned access on ARM sounds wrong regardless.
Dec 13 18:10:22 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer51: hello, celcome in the ClearCase Club :-)
Dec 13 18:10:39 <nschle85> s/c/w/
Dec 13 18:10:40 <apt> nschle85 meant: DowScrutinizer51: hello, celcome in the ClearCase Club :-)
Dec 13 18:11:00 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, good news, I just my computer just finished building core-image-minimal
Dec 13 18:11:20 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 18:11:25 <GNUtoo> nice
Dec 13 18:11:32 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, I will copy it to my sdcard and do a chroot to see if the binaries are ok
Dec 13 18:11:35 <GNUtoo> I'll try to submit your patch upstream after eating
Dec 13 18:11:39 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 18:11:50 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, just wait, because I changed something in my patch
Dec 13 18:12:18 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, I will wgetpaste the two files later, because I disabled thumb per default.
Dec 13 18:13:34 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo: have you read this http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/117863 ? (about -mno-unaligned-access)
Dec 13 18:14:27 <JaMa> jake42: 004 was right http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520360/
Dec 13 18:14:39 <JaMa> jake42: trying the same for 009 but I have to go now..
Dec 13 18:14:54 <jake42> JaMa: great thx :)
Dec 13 18:15:27 <JaMa> but from the start it looks like /etc/group is changed to 997 in 009, weird
Dec 13 18:15:47 <JaMa> will recreate images in 010 then :/
Dec 13 18:19:20 <JaMa> looks like all 009 are wrong now :/ http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520363/
Dec 13 18:20:08 <GNUtoo> PaulFertser, will read it now
Dec 13 18:20:49 <GNUtoo> thanks
Dec 13 18:21:07 <GNUtoo> VQuickSilver, your patch modified like I said before works for me
Dec 13 18:21:18 <GNUtoo> VQuickSilver, nice to see you fixed your ram consumation issues
Dec 13 18:22:39 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, binaries work ok :)
Dec 13 18:23:08 <VQuickSilver> so next step, make a recipe for the kernel, and make phone boot from sdcard
Dec 13 18:23:19 <GNUtoo> yes
Dec 13 18:24:24 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, want to see the other changes?
Dec 13 18:26:00 <VQuickSilver> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520367/
Dec 13 18:26:10 <VQuickSilver> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520368/
Dec 13 18:27:00 <GNUtoo> let me see
Dec 13 18:34:58 <GNUtoo> VQuickSilver, I'm not sure about your modified version of armv6.inc
Dec 13 18:35:46 <GNUtoo> I think it's wrong
Dec 13 18:35:53 <GNUtoo> I think you got it right the last time
Dec 13 18:36:37 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, I think it's more correct this way after thinking it. But really I dont know.
Dec 13 18:37:02 <VQuickSilver> for example the last time I did
Dec 13 18:37:05 <VQuickSilver> +PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS_tune-armv6t-novfp ?= "${PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS_tune-armv5e} armv6"
Dec 13 18:37:42 <GNUtoo> let's ask JaMa or in #oe or #yocto
Dec 13 18:37:42 <VQuickSilver> but I think it should be PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS_tune-armv6t-novfp = "${PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS_tune-armv5e} armv6 armv6t-novfp"
Dec 13 18:38:01 <VQuickSilver> because if not it would be equivalent to armv6 without thumb
Dec 13 18:38:15 <GNUtoo> maybe armv6 is a feature here
Dec 13 18:38:21 <GNUtoo> no idea
Dec 13 18:38:49 <GNUtoo> we should really ask in #yocto I think
Dec 13 18:38:57 <GNUtoo> /join #yocto
Dec 13 18:39:04 <VQuickSilver> GNUtoo, ask them if you have time and make the commit the way you think is more correct, have to go now
Dec 13 18:39:11 <VQuickSilver> sorry
Dec 13 18:39:13 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 18:39:20 <VQuickSilver> I'll be back tomorrow
Dec 13 18:40:19 <VQuickSilver> gnight guys, thanks for your help
Dec 13 18:48:05 <GNUtoo> <fray> for the package_extra_archs it should include only armv5, not armv6
Dec 13 18:59:26 <mrmoku> nschle85: you can start the gps works... libgisi is updated :)
Dec 13 18:59:48 <nschle85> mrmoku: i already seen it :-)
Dec 13 19:01:12 <nschle85> mrmoku: you fixed firmware loading for n900, do i have to enable it somewhere ? it seems not to work on my phone
Dec 13 19:05:12 <morphis> heyho
Dec 13 19:05:14 <morphis> GNUtoo: ping
Dec 13 19:05:28 <morphis> GNUtoo: take a look at the last three commits of the morphis/android-system-wakeup branch of the cornucopia repository
Dec 13 19:05:33 <chomwitt> trying to boor shr staging 9 in gta02 i get early : debugfs dir creation failed -19 
Dec 13 19:09:45 <mrmoku> nschle85: (firmware) no, you just need the firmware installed
Dec 13 19:10:29 <nschle85> hmm, the firmare is installed, (copied from maemo partition)
Dec 13 19:10:46 <mrmoku> nschle85: ahh, the maemo firmware is too old
Dec 13 19:10:51 <mrmoku> you need the one from meego
Dec 13 19:11:02 <GNUtoo> morphis, ok I've started tracing code and it was long
Dec 13 19:11:17 <GNUtoo> morphis, will take after making armv6-novfp file, is it ok?
Dec 13 19:12:37 <morphis> GNUtoo: no problem, take your time
Dec 13 19:12:53 <GNUtoo> thanks
Dec 13 19:16:49 <morphis> JaMa: how can I work around this one "Package version for package libfsobasics-dbg went backwards which would break package feeds from"
Dec 13 19:17:59 <mrmoku> hehe
Dec 13 19:18:15 * mrmoku had that too the other day and fixed it by committing something to cornucopia ;)
Dec 13 19:18:58 <morphis> mrmoku: hm
Dec 13 19:19:48 <mrmoku> JaMa: where are the good ubi installation instructions?
Dec 13 19:20:18 <morphis> mrmoku: "	updating bitbake "
Dec 13 19:20:35 <chomwitt> in  009  must i use --numeric-owner in tar ?
Dec 13 19:20:47 <mrmoku> JaMa: nvm :)
Dec 13 19:21:52 <mrmoku> morphis: WebOS is using an completely own toolkit?
Dec 13 19:27:07 <morphis> mrmoku: no, they are using Qt
Dec 13 19:28:16 <mrmoku> ahh
Dec 13 19:28:19 <mrmoku> good :)
Dec 13 19:28:31 <morphis> in the latest version
Dec 13 19:28:37 <morphis> up to 1.4.5 they used their own
Dec 13 19:28:46 <morphis> but wth 2.x it's Qt based
Dec 13 19:28:51 <mrmoku> at least something I've already seen :P
Dec 13 19:28:59 <morphis> mrmoku: you are wanting webOS with FSO middleware :)
Dec 13 19:29:07 <mrmoku> morphis: no, mickeyl wants that ;)
Dec 13 19:29:12 <mrmoku> I want to be prepared :P
Dec 13 19:29:27 <mrmoku> but it might be an interesting option
Dec 13 19:29:31 <morphis> yes
Dec 13 19:29:39 <morphis> mrmoku: I want too :)
Dec 13 19:29:44 <mrmoku> can't tell though as I've never seen or touched a WebOS device
Dec 13 19:29:52 <mrmoku> will change that next weekend :)
Dec 13 19:30:18 <GNUtoo> hi mickeyl 
Dec 13 19:30:34 <mrmoku> morphis: is there somewhere an overview about what aps are included? webos-internals the place to look?
Dec 13 19:31:06 <GNUtoo> morphis, does webos have an usable for us opkg frontend?
Dec 13 19:31:22 <GNUtoo> like something produced by webos internals people
Dec 13 19:31:25 <GNUtoo> and that runs on Xorg
Dec 13 19:31:36 <GNUtoo> not on framebuffer like the last preware thing I saw
Dec 13 19:31:46 <GNUtoo> s/framebuffer/directfb/
Dec 13 19:31:46 <apt> GNUtoo meant: not on directfb like the last preware thing I saw
Dec 13 19:31:46 <morphis> GNUtoo: let's talk about this on saturday
Dec 13 19:31:47 <mrmoku> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware
Dec 13 19:31:58 <morphis> no there is no directfb anymore
Dec 13 19:32:11 <GNUtoo> ok but did they port preware to X
Dec 13 19:32:44 <morphis> no
Dec 13 19:32:48 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 19:32:49 <morphis> preware is a HTML app
Dec 13 19:32:56 <mrmoku> ouch ;)
Dec 13 19:33:25 <morphis> I will give you an overview on saturday
Dec 13 19:33:51 <mrmoku> ok :)
Dec 13 19:36:08 <Slyon> yo!
Dec 13 19:36:12 <mrmoku> yo Slyon 
Dec 13 19:36:35 <Slyon> mrmoku, we should talk about when and were we'll leave at friday
Dec 13 19:36:54 <Slyon> any fixed plans yet?
Dec 13 19:38:34 <mrmoku> Slyon: no fixed plans... I would like to pickup GNUtoo and mickeyl from Essen Hbf
Dec 13 19:38:47 <mrmoku> dunno if that will be feasable
Dec 13 19:38:55 <mrmoku> at least GNUtoo is hitting Essen quite soon
Dec 13 19:39:01 <mrmoku> but mickeyl is flexible
Dec 13 19:39:34 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: thanks :-S
Dec 13 19:40:56 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: merging over different branches is nice :-)
Dec 13 19:41:17 <Slyon> mrmoku, ok. will you pick me up at home (near "Euro Industriepark") or shall I meet you somewhere?
Dec 13 19:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> waah, I still feel headache from way simpler things in that monster
Dec 13 19:41:59 <mrmoku> Slyon: "Euro Industriepark" is fine... on the way to AB :)
Dec 13 19:42:06 <mrmoku> so I will pick you up
Dec 13 19:42:14 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: Clearcase is stupid, its not made to have development on different release branches
Dec 13 19:42:32 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: no changesets avaliable
Dec 13 19:42:35 <Slyon> ok nice. 
Dec 13 19:43:19 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: and managing ConfigSpecs is apain in the ass
Dec 13 19:43:44 <DocScrutinizer> I don't have to do this, as there's a wrapper around it
Dec 13 19:44:17 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: ah, ok.
Dec 13 19:46:16 <nschle85> mrmoku: which route will you drive A3 or A45 ?
Dec 13 19:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> but this wrapper makes priority of mosules in config totally obscure
Dec 13 19:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> modules*
Dec 13 19:47:04 <mrmoku> nschle85: depends on what mood monav has ;)
Dec 13 19:47:17 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Dec 13 19:47:43 <nschle85> i think ill take A45, so not drive thru Frankfurt and Colone
Dec 13 19:47:47 * mrmoku already managed three times to have forgotten that monav was in pedestrian mode :P
Dec 13 19:48:13 <nschle85> so it will take 5 days :-)
Dec 13 19:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> isn't the ETA vastly off then?
Dec 13 19:50:10 <mrmoku> there's no ETA in monav
Dec 13 19:50:27 <GNUtoo> what's better? monav or navit?
Dec 13 19:50:33 <GNUtoo> and is monav in oe?
Dec 13 19:50:39 <mrmoku> heh
Dec 13 19:50:44 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: bad question ;)
Dec 13 19:50:48 <GNUtoo> ah?
Dec 13 19:50:53 <mrmoku> it depends on qtembedded
Dec 13 19:50:54 <nschle85> mrmoku: i dont know what kind of computer to take with me, the desktop PC has all all tools installed and  is fast, the netbook of my wife is good enough to work on some documentation
Dec 13 19:50:57 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Dec 13 19:50:59 <mrmoku> I really would like to have it in OE
Dec 13 19:51:14 <mrmoku> but did not come around to dig into packaging the qt beast
Dec 13 19:51:24 <GNUtoo> nschle85, take ssh with you....
Dec 13 19:51:28 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 19:51:36 <GNUtoo> inherit qt4-x11
Dec 13 19:52:04 <GNUtoo> again what's best between monav and navit? is it worth packaging monav?
Dec 13 19:52:08 <mrmoku> I tried somewhen in summer
Dec 13 19:52:14 <mrmoku> If you ask me yes
Dec 13 19:52:17 <mrmoku> monav rocks
Dec 13 19:52:17 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 19:53:24 <nschle85> GNUtoo: ok ill take the netbook
Dec 13 19:53:36 <GNUtoo> nschle85, don't forget to setup ssh then
Dec 13 19:53:53 <GNUtoo> nschle85, and do it well (with key authentifications )
Dec 13 19:54:00 <GNUtoo> and put a password on the keys
Dec 13 19:54:33 <GNUtoo> and also don't forget to port forward your ssh 
Dec 13 19:54:34 <nschle85> GNUtoo: for git ?
Dec 13 19:54:46 <GNUtoo> no for ssh-ing into your desktop from your netbook
Dec 13 19:55:59 <nschle85> GNUtoo: there are desktops available ?
Dec 13 19:56:13 <GNUtoo> no idea but I wouldn't trust public desktop for that
Dec 13 19:56:17 <GNUtoo> and skey is very weak
Dec 13 19:56:20 <GNUtoo> maybe opie then
Dec 13 19:56:29 <GNUtoo> but I don't know if it's weak too
Dec 13 19:56:34 <nschle85> GNUtoo: so my plan was not to take the desktop with me
Dec 13 19:56:40 <GNUtoo> and maybe it's only for FreeBSD
Dec 13 19:56:56 <DocScrutinizer> eh, opie?
Dec 13 19:56:57 <GNUtoo> nschle85, yes but you can take with you virtually, with ssh
Dec 13 19:57:06 <GNUtoo> DocScrutinizer, an authentification method
Dec 13 19:57:07 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it's available for linux
Dec 13 19:57:11 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 19:57:22 <DocScrutinizer> I already installed it years ago
Dec 13 19:57:27 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 19:57:30 <GNUtoo> is it safe?
Dec 13 19:57:56 <GNUtoo> because years ago I used skey and learned that it was not safe
Dec 13 19:57:58 <nschle85> GNUtoo: ok, you mean dynip and so on
Dec 13 19:58:01 <GNUtoo> it could be cracked in no time
Dec 13 19:58:05 <GNUtoo> nschle85, yes
Dec 13 19:59:03 <nschle85> GNUtoo: ok for that i can use my server :-)
Dec 13 19:59:16 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 19:59:47 <nschle85> GNUtoo: but most time ill learn how you work, and ask questions :-)
Dec 13 20:00:10 <GNUtoo> I always do a joke with android and its voice recognition, imagine someone sshing into his box and at some point he says sudo su and his password
Dec 13 20:01:12 <nschle85> GNUtoo: so or effective on one e day the output may be not so much
Dec 13 20:04:12 <Slyon> GNUtoo, do you know, if this -mno-unaligned-access thing could have broken older kernels like palmpre (2.6.24) as well?
Dec 13 20:04:13 <GNUtoo> for the really paranoid they would have passowrd too hard to remember such as krrlaskjdlaskjgrkjshjsad
Dec 13 20:04:27 <GNUtoo> Slyon, yes I think they do
Dec 13 20:04:36 <GNUtoo> but it's starting at armv6 it seems
Dec 13 20:04:40 <GNUtoo> I was pointed to that:
Dec 13 20:04:41 <DocScrutinizer> nschle85: how long did it take you to learn CC?
Dec 13 20:04:47 <GNUtoo> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/117863
Dec 13 20:05:21 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: 1-2 weeks but cannot all of its features, but google is my friend
Dec 13 20:05:43 <GNUtoo> CC?
Dec 13 20:05:49 <Slyon> ok. so i'll test to compile a working kernel for pre2..
Dec 13 20:06:14 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: but i only have to create config specs, create branches and do the normal developer stuff, merges does our KM manager
Dec 13 20:06:22 <GNUtoo> Slyon, btw can you put all palm-pre issues on the fso wiki?
Dec 13 20:06:31 <DocScrutinizer> well, same here
Dec 13 20:06:36 <nschle85> CC ClearCase
Dec 13 20:06:43 <GNUtoo> ok what's that already?
Dec 13 20:06:46 <mrmoku> heh... monav will not show me anything... just noticed it ceased to work :/
Dec 13 20:07:04 <GNUtoo> ah something like svn or git
Dec 13 20:07:26 <nschle85> GNUtoo: no, svn agt git are more developer oriented 
Dec 13 20:07:32 <nschle85> and
Dec 13 20:07:41 <DocScrutinizer> I'm struggling since 7 days now with CC, SourceInsight, minor other new tools, plus a weird wrapper around CC that adds to complexity and missing manuals
Dec 13 20:07:59 <DocScrutinizer> yeasterday I finally got the concept of views
Dec 13 20:08:16 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: i only use CCExplorer and cleartool cmd line
Dec 13 20:08:28 <DocScrutinizer> eeew cmdline
Dec 13 20:08:33 <DocScrutinizer> ct
Dec 13 20:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> help
Dec 13 20:08:41 <Slyon> GNUtoo, yes i'll collect some stuff. but i don't use the pre for development these days. basically i abandoned it. but it's probably getting interessting once webos is free
Dec 13 20:08:45 <DocScrutinizer> -> 300++ lines
Dec 13 20:08:52 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Dec 13 20:09:09 <GNUtoo> Slyon, ok you will work on gta04 then?
Dec 13 20:09:12 <Slyon> yes
Dec 13 20:09:16 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 20:09:35 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: very starnge is the necessary of "checkout" of files 
Dec 13 20:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> way more starnge is the nearly impossible backref from a c srcfile to the module it came from
Dec 13 20:10:29 <DocScrutinizer> at least inside this GUI
Dec 13 20:10:51 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: what do you mean ?
Dec 13 20:11:16 <DocScrutinizer> I mean this whole friggin thing has no IDE integrated
Dec 13 20:12:20 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: the history brower may help, the thing with the funny bulbs :-)
Dec 13 20:13:13 <DocScrutinizer> so when I edit in eclipse (another 'new' tool I had to learn about in 7 days, of course also with proprietary extensions) some foo.c, there's almost no way to find out which module imported that file into my view
Dec 13 20:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> otoh CC has no way to search across all the filenames in modules, so you need to know the module name to find if that foo.c is in there at all
Dec 13 20:14:23 <nschle85> yes, you can the in the property of the file, which load rule was applied
Dec 13 20:15:06 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I haven't found such option yet
Dec 13 20:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I didn't check
Dec 13 20:15:35 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
Dec 13 20:15:41 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer, ahh now i understand, we do not use modules, 
Dec 13 20:16:18 <DocScrutinizer> there's a plaintext file somewhere in your working dir, where compiler creates a list of all files used and where from they are
Dec 13 20:16:18 <nschle85> we have the code splitted in different repositories
Dec 13 20:16:54 <DocScrutinizer> CC without modules?? o.O is that even possible?
Dec 13 20:16:55 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: we say ConfigSpec
Dec 13 20:17:19 <DocScrutinizer> nah, not the configspec
Dec 13 20:17:22 <nschle85> do you mean the thing like element * checked out ???
Dec 13 20:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> it's like
Dec 13 20:17:46 <DocScrutinizer> module1
Dec 13 20:17:52 <DocScrutinizer> -module11
Dec 13 20:17:58 <DocScrutinizer> -module12
Dec 13 20:18:07 <DocScrutinizer> --module121
Dec 13 20:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> ---file foo.c
Dec 13 20:18:19 <nschle85> no, we do not have such a file
Dec 13 20:18:29 <nschle85> we are using clearcase 7.1
Dec 13 20:18:32 <DocScrutinizer> it gets build by the compiler
Dec 13 20:19:37 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: but the compiler is independent from clearcase... where is the connection ?
Dec 13 20:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> considering the ~6000€ per licence this CC tool is rather shitty usability
Dec 13 20:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> connection is it's the best way to "navigate" in CC
Dec 13 20:20:38 <DocScrutinizer> to use the *compiler* diagnostic output
Dec 13 20:20:40 <DocScrutinizer> :-(
Dec 13 20:21:09 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe I found another way
Dec 13 20:21:36 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer, eclipse... shudder
Dec 13 20:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> mark-all in CC module list, paste to a text editor, search ;-)
Dec 13 20:21:49 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: but i think i cannot follow you because we do not use modules
Dec 13 20:22:01 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer, that's a class of tools I hope not to have to ever work on them.
Dec 13 20:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> yeah :-S
Dec 13 20:22:27 * DocScrutinizer waves and heads out for dinner
Dec 13 20:22:33 <DocScrutinizer> aqnd a BEEEEER
Dec 13 20:22:35 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer, have a nice dinner
Dec 13 20:22:39 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer, lots of that too
Dec 13 20:23:15 <nschle85> DocScrutinizer: have anice beer :-)
Dec 13 20:29:29 <mrmoku> HeinervdmWork: work, work, work... so you will have time for the weekend :-)
Dec 13 20:30:03 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: no i'm at home
Dec 13 20:30:16 <Heinervdm> don't know why it has reconnected...
Dec 13 20:30:21 <mrmoku> heh, ok :P
Dec 13 20:31:08 <Heinervdm> on thursday morning i will know if everything works fine and i'm able to come
Dec 13 20:31:19 <Heinervdm> but i'm expecting that everything runs fine
Dec 13 20:31:49 <Heinervdm> i'm already preparing my laptop with an OE build enviroment :)
Dec 13 20:34:31 <GNUtoo> morphis, hi could you publish the devshell btw?
Dec 13 20:42:35 <Slyon> GNUtoo, i added a palmpre status overview page and linked it with the HardwareComparison: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/PalmPre
Dec 13 20:43:25 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: ok :)
Dec 13 20:43:53 <mrmoku> hmm... preparing a build env... something I probably should do too
Dec 13 20:45:16 * Slyon just recompiled the whole FSO stack with the custom vala-fso
Dec 13 20:48:44 <GNUtoo> Slyon, ok thanks
Dec 13 20:49:14 <GNUtoo> Slyon, does wifi work? does NEON work? 
Dec 13 20:49:22 <GNUtoo> last time I checked it didn't
Dec 13 20:49:30 <GNUtoo> and I don't think it changed
Dec 13 20:49:55 <Slyon> GNUtoo, i didn't try for a long time as well. wanted to try it some days ago and got hit by the kernel problem
Dec 13 20:50:04 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 13 20:50:41 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, ping
Dec 13 20:58:12 <morphis> GNUtoo: I will do ... need some more time theses days ..
Dec 13 20:58:24 <morphis> I am off
Dec 13 20:58:25 <morphis> gn8
Dec 13 21:01:53 <Slyon> i'll leave as well. gn8!
Dec 13 21:02:37 <mrmoku> big leaving...
Dec 13 21:02:54 <mrmoku> mickeyl: I pushed to mrmoku/libnl3
Dec 13 21:03:10 <mrmoku> mickeyl: if you have time I'd appreciate a look :)
Dec 13 21:03:15 * mrmoku leaving too
Dec 13 21:03:19 <mrmoku> gnight
Dec 13 21:03:25 <nschle85> good night
Dec 13 21:20:42 <chomwitt> does 004 contains 003 002 ... ?
Dec 13 21:23:56 <nschle85> chomwitt: pardon ?
Dec 13 21:24:19 <nschle85> 004 is younger
Dec 13 21:24:47 <nschle85> bugs in 002 or 003 should be fixed in 004
Dec 13 21:24:50 <chomwitt> shr-core 004 is a superset (in terms of functionality added, code ) of 003 , 002  ?
Dec 13 21:26:08 <nschle85> chomwitt: its further development of 002 and 003
Dec 13 21:26:53 <nschle85> chomwitt: it has the same codebase as 002 and 003 but the code is newer, whatever that means
Dec 13 21:27:28 <nschle85> chomwitt: you can also say 002 is from moinday, 003 from thuesday, 004 from wednesday
Dec 13 21:27:55 <chomwitt>  :-)  thanks
Dec 13 21:28:56 <nschle85> chomwitt: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Stabilizing
Dec 13 21:29:29 <nschle85> chomwitt: there is the original explaination
Dec 13 21:30:36 <chomwitt> thanks
Dec 13 21:34:04 <JaMa> mrmoku: versions going backwards are compared against shr-core/tmp-eglibc/pkghistory/ so if you really have to, you can remove files for that package from there
Dec 13 21:34:28 <JaMa> chomwitt: 009 images are broken :/
Dec 13 21:35:34 <chomwitt> i've tested 009 in gta02. i get a black screen as i mentioned there (aprekates)
Dec 13 21:35:47 <JaMa> reinstall dbus-1 to resolve that
Dec 13 21:35:51 <chomwitt> as i mentioned in the stage testinh page
Dec 13 21:35:57 <chomwitt> aha. i'll try that
Dec 13 21:42:08 <nschle85> JaMa: do you have link from where to download the meego firmware binaries fitting into the current shr kernel ?
Dec 13 21:43:01 <nschle85> i downloaded some but they have the same size and name like currently installed im maemo
Dec 13 21:49:20 <JaMa> nschle85: no
Dec 13 21:52:23 <nschle85> JaMa: can you scp your binaries into jenkins  n...-...leicher.de  home directory please ? ill take them from there if you would do it. our do you not have time ?
Dec 13 21:52:55 * JaMa has to charge n900 first
Dec 13 21:53:36 <nschle85> JaMa: thank please you don't hurry
Dec 13 21:53:44 <JaMa> nschle85: but I'm not sure if I have something different then last version from maemo..
Dec 13 21:53:55 <nschle85> JaMa: but the work ?
Dec 13 21:54:10 <nschle85> i still have the long time out
Dec 13 21:56:04 <JaMa> do you have fsosystemd installed?
Dec 13 21:56:10 <nschle85> yes
Dec 13 21:56:29 <JaMa> 007 or newer, right?
Dec 13 21:57:23 <nschle85> root@nokia900:~# opkg list-installed | grep fsosystem fsosystemd - 0.0.1+gitr2+96698077b6ccd5fc1222e0b2b9fc56d087c6c528-r6.0 libfsosystem0 - 1:0.1.0+gitr5+c25bb9aeb54351b598a849e775d8fe11daccef47-r6.0 
Dec 13 21:57:39 <nschle85> JaMa: own build (shame)
Dec 13 21:58:50 <nschle85> JaMa: its also running root       192  0.0  0.9   6060  2100 ?        Ss   21:11   0:00 /usr/sbin/fsosystemd
Dec 13 22:01:47 <nschle85> JaMa: ok forget about it, its hard to guess whats wrong on my image
Dec 13 22:02:30 <JaMa> nschle85: scp still running
Dec 13 22:02:44 <nschle85> thank you
Dec 13 22:03:06 <JaMa> nschle85: check if you have /etc/init.d/fsosystemd and it's rc.N startup script before modutils
Dec 13 22:04:33 <JaMa> nschle85: scp finished
Dec 13 22:06:13 <nschle85> JaMa: S04modutils.sh S39fsosystemd
Dec 13 22:09:32 <JaMa> nschle85: /etc/rcS.d/S39modutils.sh is right
Dec 13 22:10:19 <JaMa> nschle85: see http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=commit;h=6bc2143227355e287b215fe8a5c768a85ecb9c3a
Dec 13 22:11:24 <JaMa> Package: modutils-initscripts
Dec 13 22:11:24 <JaMa> Version: 1.0-r7
Dec 13 22:12:30 <nschle85> JaMa: opkg install --force-reinstall modutils-initscripts 
Dec 13 22:12:38 <nschle85> the version was already ok
Dec 13 22:13:31 <nschle85> JaMa: modutils-initscripts - 1.0-r7
Dec 13 22:13:57 <nschle85> after reinstall the filename is correct but version is the same :-)
Dec 13 22:17:51 <nschle85> JaMa: wow bootime is really short :-)
Dec 13 22:18:23 <nschle85> JaMa: i was using the original maemo images
Dec 13 22:19:36 <nschle85> JaMa: but login dialog does not appear this is since mickeyl changed fso long time ago
Dec 13 22:21:26 <nschle85> JaMa: so ill go to bed... tomorry we have xmas party in company 
Dec 13 22:28:39 <JaMa> login dialog?
Dec 13 22:28:42 <JaMa> you mean pin?
Dec 13 22:29:00 <JaMa> and btw that phone call yesterday it was me.. I guess you guessed from e-mail :)
Dec 13 22:32:42 <nschle85> JaMa: yes i guessed :-)
Dec 13 22:33:11 <nschle85> yes i mean pin, after a reboot it appeared, but its random i think
Dec 13 22:33:26 <nschle85> so no ill go, bye :-)
Dec 13 22:33:48 <JaMa> gnight
Dec 13 22:33:48 <[Rui]> nschle85, bye!
Dec 13 22:33:52 <nschle85> bye
Dec 13 22:33:58 <[Rui]> just as I sit behind the tablet...
Dec 13 22:34:00 * JaMa has pin disabled..
Dec 13 22:34:33 <nschle85> JaMa: dont loose you phone 
Dec 13 22:34:39 <[Rui]> JaMa, you mean pin dialog by setting it in the file or really disabled?
Dec 13 22:34:40 <nschle85> bye
Dec 13 22:35:40 <JaMa> [Rui]: isn't it stored in SIM? I have disabled it probably in some other phone a while back
Dec 13 22:38:12 <[Rui]> JaMa, fear..
Dec 13 23:00:06 <karls001> I think, n900 might destroy uSD-cards. Got I/O- errors while boot. the card did fine before... age 2 month, type 4G class 4 sdhc. similar expirence? 
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 14 02:59:57 2011