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Jan 10 06:46:03 <mrmoku> moin
Jan 10 07:33:13 <snkt>  how to remove all the debug and development files such as man, info etc to minimize the filesystem in oe
Jan 10 07:36:36 <pabs3> man/info are documentation, not debug/development files
Jan 10 07:38:05 <snkt> pabs3, such that .... in order to  have a minimal filesystem size..
Jan 10 09:17:38 <JaMa> moin
Jan 10 12:22:17 <JaMa> snkt: those are in PN-doc packages by default.. just don't install PN-doc to your image
Jan 10 12:26:03 <JaMa> 4.0K    /usr/share/man/
Jan 10 12:26:10 <JaMa> 12K     /usr/share/doc/
Jan 10 12:40:15 <angelox|laptop> good morning
Jan 10 12:47:28 <cargill> hi, what screwrdiver type should I look for to be able to open GTA02 cover?
Jan 10 12:47:45 <snkt> JaMa, but how can I disable PN-doc?
Jan 10 12:49:19 <cargill> oh, T6x40, got it
Jan 10 12:50:45 <JaMa> snkt: it's not installed by default in most images.. if you have it then look where you've included it
Jan 10 19:04:26 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi
Jan 10 19:21:15 <GNUtoo> hi mickeyl 
Jan 10 19:23:07 <nschle85> GNUtoo: hi, do you know, is it possible to use XS Stick P14 to make voice calls ? for Huawei stick i found a introduction (implemented in ofono) ?
Jan 10 19:23:25 <GNUtoo> hmmm
Jan 10 19:23:38 <GNUtoo> what's XS Stick P14?
Jan 10 19:23:46 <GNUtoo> what's the chip inside
Jan 10 19:23:47 <GNUtoo> ?
Jan 10 19:24:00 <nschle85> GNUtoo: thats the problem google gives no answer
Jan 10 19:24:13 <nschle85> A internetstick from 4G Data
Jan 10 19:24:14 <GNUtoo> do you already bought the stick?
Jan 10 19:24:20 <nschle85> GNUtoo: yes
Jan 10 19:24:22 <GNUtoo> if so lsusb
Jan 10 19:26:18 <GNUtoo> and find the ids
Jan 10 19:26:23 <GNUtoo> and search that on the web
Jan 10 19:28:54 <nschle85> http://pastebin.com/HEPWN3J0
Jan 10 19:31:45 <nschle85> GNUtoo: if you are integersted, this is the info for the Huwait 169 stick: http://www.freelancer.com/projects/Perl-Python/Make-receive-phone-calls-with.html
Jan 10 19:31:52 <angelox|laptop> nschle85: found in a website that Micromax BSNL 3g uses the same chip... try to lsusb -d 1c9e:9605 -v to get more informations
Jan 10 19:32:34 <GNUtoo> ok let me look
Jan 10 19:42:39 <GNUtoo> nschle85, in huawei-audio.c they seem to use oss instead of alsa
Jan 10 19:42:43 <GNUtoo> they use /dev/dsp
Jan 10 19:42:52 <GNUtoo> they may have done that for portability reasons
Jan 10 19:42:59 <GNUtoo> BSD* don't have alsa
Jan 10 19:43:06 <GNUtoo> they only have OSS
Jan 10 19:44:23 <GNUtoo> and they write raw audio to the sound card when it arrives
Jan 10 19:44:41 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi
Jan 10 19:45:16 <mrmoku> hi GNUtoo 
Jan 10 19:45:21 <GNUtoo> hi mrmoku 
Jan 10 19:45:29 <nschle85> but i would like to know if it would be possible to make calls and access the audio in the same way for XS Stick P14
Jan 10 19:45:30 <mrmoku> how did the alsaloop test work out?
Jan 10 19:45:31 <GNUtoo> for the forwarder there is a -g argument to alsaloop
Jan 10 19:45:42 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, alsaloop doesn't work yet
Jan 10 19:45:47 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
Jan 10 19:45:51 <mrmoku> why that?
Jan 10 19:45:52 <GNUtoo> I didn't even try to run it
Jan 10 19:45:56 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 10 19:46:12 <GNUtoo> basically I only had the time to integrate alsaloop.c into the build system
Jan 10 19:46:27 <mrmoku> ahh, you're already integrating it?
Jan 10 19:46:31 <GNUtoo> yes
Jan 10 19:46:38 <mrmoku> I thought more about a first test using the alsaloop binary as is
Jan 10 19:46:40 <GNUtoo> I tought you spoke about the integration
Jan 10 19:46:43 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Jan 10 19:46:49 <mrmoku> yeah, but only if it actually works :-)
Jan 10 19:46:50 <GNUtoo> then it works but has a huge draw back
Jan 10 19:47:02 <GNUtoo> if you use it before or after the call....
Jan 10 19:47:07 <GNUtoo> the CPU usage is 100%
Jan 10 19:47:24 <GNUtoo> the good thing is that if you don't it works fine
Jan 10 19:47:32 <GNUtoo> and it also accept the -g option
Jan 10 19:47:33 <mrmoku> so sound is good with it?
Jan 10 19:47:35 <GNUtoo> for a config file
Jan 10 19:47:40 <GNUtoo> yes as perfect as mine
Jan 10 19:47:47 <mrmoku> but not better?
Jan 10 19:47:49 <GNUtoo> but without the buffer underruns
Jan 10 19:47:57 <mrmoku> no dropouts then?
Jan 10 19:47:58 <GNUtoo> it can't be better than the perfection
Jan 10 19:48:01 <mrmoku> :)
Jan 10 19:48:27 <GNUtoo> mine was pretty good but had buffer underruns
Jan 10 19:48:35 <GNUtoo> like you missed some seconds
Jan 10 19:48:54 <GNUtoo> when it was not buffer underrunning the sound was perfect too
Jan 10 19:49:03 <mrmoku> hmm, wouldn't it be better then to try to just fix the underruns?
Jan 10 19:49:05 <GNUtoo> basically you missed part of the conversation 
Jan 10 19:49:22 <GNUtoo> no idea
Jan 10 19:49:33 <GNUtoo> we keep changing between my implementation and alsaloop
Jan 10 19:49:40 <GNUtoo> we must choose the best one
Jan 10 19:49:48 <GNUtoo> and stick to it
Jan 10 19:49:54 <GNUtoo> until the other is at least as good 
Jan 10 19:50:05 <GNUtoo> I got the idea of doing that:
Jan 10 19:50:12 <GNUtoo> I do alsaloop quickely
Jan 10 19:50:27 <GNUtoo> and do another plugin that is 100% vala
Jan 10 19:50:35 <GNUtoo> once alsaloop is working
Jan 10 19:50:42 <GNUtoo> because with alsaloop we play on the safe side
Jan 10 19:50:47 <GNUtoo> it's written by alsa experts
Jan 10 19:50:50 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 10 19:51:00 <GNUtoo> and very customizable also
Jan 10 19:51:07 <GNUtoo> and it accepts a config file
Jan 10 19:51:12 <GNUtoo> so I wonder why not using it
Jan 10 19:51:38 <mrmoku> hmm, if it is a temporary thing I would be fine with that
Jan 10 19:51:57 <mrmoku> but in principle I agree with mickeyl that spawning processes is not necessary a good thing
Jan 10 19:52:51 <GNUtoo> nschle85, where's the modem in lsusb? the last one?
Jan 10 19:53:06 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, look at the code....
Jan 10 19:53:12 <GNUtoo> I don't plan to spawn it at all
Jan 10 19:53:12 <nschle85> GNUtoo: yes
Jan 10 19:53:29 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, I plan to bind it to vala
Jan 10 19:53:33 <GNUtoo> and I started to do it
Jan 10 19:53:50 <mrmoku> 20:50 < GNUtoo> so I wonder why not using it
Jan 10 19:54:05 <mrmoku> I thought you've been talking about the alsaloop binary itself
Jan 10 19:54:38 <GNUtoo> nschle85, I don't know for your modem, try to find out what's on the usb ports....
Jan 10 19:56:58 <nschle85> http://pastebin.com/sUxjySDA
Jan 10 19:58:58 <GNUtoo> I mean:
Jan 10 19:59:08 <GNUtoo> picocom -b 15200 /dev/ttyUSB0
Jan 10 19:59:09 <GNUtoo> picocom -b 15200 /dev/ttyUSB1
Jan 10 19:59:10 <GNUtoo> picocom -b 15200 /dev/ttyUSB2
Jan 10 19:59:10 <GNUtoo> picocom -b 15200 /dev/ttyUSB3
Jan 10 19:59:23 <GNUtoo> s/15200/115200/g
Jan 10 19:59:23 <apt> GNUtoo meant: picocom -b 115200 /dev/ttyUSB3
Jan 10 20:00:39 <GNUtoo> now I must work on forwarding
Jan 10 20:03:59 <einstein__> hi
Jan 10 20:04:20 <GNUtoo>   hi
Jan 10 20:06:19 <einstein__> gibt es irgendwo eine anleitung, wie man ein programm für aurora basteln kann?
Jan 10 20:06:35 <GNUtoo> einstein__, I don't speak german sorry
Jan 10 20:06:47 <einstein__> sorry
Jan 10 20:06:49 <GNUtoo> maybe try in english
Jan 10 20:07:14 <einstein__> i search some informations too write some programms for aurora
Jan 10 20:07:51 <einstein__> i try in my bad english
Jan 10 20:08:31 <GNUtoo> einstein__, morphis is the one to ask, angelox|laptop may also know
Jan 10 20:08:38 <GNUtoo> but morphis is not online currently
Jan 10 20:09:02 <einstein__> okey, i ask morphis
Jan 10 20:09:10 <einstein__> thanks a lot
Jan 10 20:10:24 <nschle85> einstein__: read QML ON QT  nokia page 
Jan 10 20:10:48 <nschle85> einstein__: aurora is t in QML geschrieben
Jan 10 20:10:57 <einstein__> i try to read
Jan 10 20:12:43 <einstein__> but how i can run an hallo world with an icon on the om
Jan 10 20:14:59 <nschle85> einstein__: an icon in aurora program or on the normal desktop ?
Jan 10 20:15:34 <einstein__> an icon in aurora
Jan 10 20:19:24 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, I've to look on how to create a new config
Jan 10 20:19:26 <GNUtoo> like for instance
Jan 10 20:19:38 <GNUtoo> /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA04
Jan 10 20:19:48 <GNUtoo> do you know where to look for that
Jan 10 20:19:55 <GNUtoo> because there is somehting like PATH
Jan 10 20:20:02 <GNUtoo> with multiples possibililities
Jan 10 20:20:25 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: config for what?
Jan 10 20:20:35 <GNUtoo> alsaloop
Jan 10 20:20:40 <GNUtoo> I want an alsaloop.conf
Jan 10 20:20:44 <GNUtoo> in /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA04
Jan 10 20:20:49 <GNUtoo> there is the -g option
Jan 10 20:20:57 <GNUtoo> -g | --config=
Jan 10 20:21:04 <GNUtoo> you can set cmdline args that way
Jan 10 20:21:40 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: and what is the problem?
Jan 10 20:21:58 <GNUtoo> what do you mean?
Jan 10 20:22:06 <GNUtoo> I just need a config for alsaloop
Jan 10 20:22:14 <GNUtoo> that way the implementation is cleaner
Jan 10 20:22:22 <mrmoku> just add it to fsoaudiod ?
Jan 10 20:22:34 <GNUtoo> that won't work
Jan 10 20:22:46 <GNUtoo> basically I'm taking alsaloop.c
Jan 10 20:22:54 <GNUtoo> and making vala binding like start stop
Jan 10 20:23:01 <mrmoku> yeah, I was not talking about fsoaudiod.conf
Jan 10 20:23:33 <GNUtoo> but to make arguments thing easier I've got the idea of just pass -g to it
Jan 10 20:23:41 <GNUtoo> with the location of the config
Jan 10 20:23:59 <GNUtoo> else I would have to modify a lot alsaloop
Jan 10 20:24:07 <mrmoku> ahh, there is no GTA04 yet in fsoaudiod... now I see :)
Jan 10 20:24:25 <GNUtoo> ahhh I understand
Jan 10 20:24:31 <GNUtoo> you mean I add the path to fsoaudiod.conf
Jan 10 20:24:33 <GNUtoo> and use that path?
Jan 10 20:24:39 <GNUtoo> can't it be automatic?
Jan 10 20:24:47 <mrmoku> now I don't understand :P
Jan 10 20:24:56 <GNUtoo> like [ -e /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA04]
Jan 10 20:25:16 <GNUtoo> ok what did you understand so far?
Jan 10 20:25:29 <mrmoku> that you want to add an alsaloop.conf
Jan 10 20:25:36 <mrmoku> just add a GTA04 directory in conf
Jan 10 20:25:39 <mrmoku> we need it anyway
Jan 10 20:25:40 <GNUtoo> yes but did you understand why?
Jan 10 20:25:44 <mrmoku> sure
Jan 10 20:25:48 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 10 20:26:04 <mrmoku> because you want to use -g alsaloop.conf instead of passing a zillion of cmdline args
Jan 10 20:26:06 <GNUtoo> the thing is how to do it in code
Jan 10 20:26:09 <GNUtoo> yes
Jan 10 20:26:17 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
Jan 10 20:26:18 <mrmoku> moment
Jan 10 20:26:30 <GNUtoo> fsoaudiod.conf can be located at a lot of places
Jan 10 20:26:38 <GNUtoo> like /home/root/fsoaudiod.conf
Jan 10 20:26:47 <GNUtoo> like /etc/fsoaudiod.conf
Jan 10 20:26:52 <GNUtoo> like /etc/freesmarphone/fsoaudiod.conf
Jan 10 20:27:00 <GNUtoo> so does alsaloop.conf
Jan 10 20:27:19 <GNUtoo> at least I want to follow what can be done for fsoaudiod.conf with alsaloop.conf
Jan 10 20:27:26 <GNUtoo> else it would create bugs
Jan 10 20:27:30 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: configurationPath = FsoFramework.Utility.machineConfigurationDir() + "/alsa.conf";
Jan 10 20:27:41 <GNUtoo> ok thanks a lot
Jan 10 20:27:43 <mrmoku> is what the router_alsa plugin does
Jan 10 20:31:01 <angelox|laptop> someone ping'ed me?
Jan 10 20:31:11 <GNUtoo> angelox|laptop, yes me
Jan 10 20:31:31 <GNUtoo> einstein__ had aurora questions
Jan 10 20:31:35 <GNUtoo> but he has quit now
Jan 10 20:31:57 <angelox|laptop> ah, i was in bath :S
Jan 10 20:34:45 <nschle85> GNUtoo: how do i enable local echo in picocom ?
Jan 10 20:37:50 <GNUtoo> nschle85, I've no idea, maybe the man has an idea
Jan 10 20:48:30 <rah> larsc, PaulFertser: I notice git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git seems to have stopped receiving updates since 2.6.39, 7 months ago; and the last gta01 updates were with 2.6.37, 12 months ago
Jan 10 20:49:15 <rah> larsc, PaulFertser: is there a particular reason there haven't been more recent updates or is it just lack of time?
Jan 10 20:50:34 <pabs3> rah: perhaps everything is merged upstream now?
Jan 10 20:50:39 <larsc> lack of time
Jan 10 20:52:26 <rah> :-/
Jan 10 20:57:32 <GNUtoo> larsc, hi
Jan 10 20:57:44 <GNUtoo> I sent a mail in alsa ml for removing gta01 part
Jan 10 20:57:57 <GNUtoo> they told me they wanted feedback from openmoko people
Jan 10 20:58:00 <GNUtoo> that is you
Jan 10 20:58:04 <GNUtoo> I guess
Jan 10 20:58:34 <GNUtoo> so it didn't get merged ( and the commit message was wrong anyway: sound: soc instead of Asoc)
Jan 10 21:00:11 <larsc> GNUtoo: i commented on one patch which did this. not sure if it was yours though
Jan 10 21:07:15 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 10 21:07:19 <GNUtoo> what did you say?
Jan 10 21:07:24 <GNUtoo> I'll look on ml archives
Jan 10 21:10:35 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03GNUtoo 07gnutoo/alsaloop * r916c54962d62 10cornucopia/fsoaudiod/src/plugins/gsmvoice_alsa_forwarder/ (alsaloop.c plugin.vala): 
Jan 10 21:10:35 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: fsoaudiod: gsmvoice_alsa_forwarder: add shut down and config file
Jan 10 21:10:35 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org>
Jan 10 21:10:38 <lindi-> rah: there's 2.6.39 stuff in github
Jan 10 21:11:21 <rah> lindi-: for the gta01?
Jan 10 21:11:25 <lindi-> rah: ah no
Jan 10 21:11:27 <lindi-> rah: gta02
Jan 10 21:11:46 <lindi-> rah: or actually I don't know about gta01, I guess it is there in github too
Jan 10 21:12:00 <lindi-> rah: why do you care about gta01? :/
Jan 10 21:12:08 <rah> lindi-: I own one :-)
Jan 10 21:12:20 <lindi-> rah: getting gta02 should be pretty easy too
Jan 10 21:28:09 <rah> lindi-: should it?
Jan 10 21:28:17 <rah> lindi-: I found a gta01, I didn't find a gta02
Jan 10 21:29:33 <lindi-> rah: many people have unused gta02 units
Jan 10 21:35:01 <rah> lindi-: then it's unfortunate that they don't advertise them for sale :-)
Jan 10 21:35:55 <GNUtoo> rah, some even give them for free
Jan 10 21:36:04 <GNUtoo> rah, there were post on the openmoko ml about that
Jan 10 21:36:17 <rah> GNUtoo: I know, I saw it
Jan 10 21:36:29 <rah> GNUtoo: after I'd bought my gta01 :-)
Jan 10 21:36:38 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 10 21:52:52 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ping
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