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Jan 13 07:50:30 <nschle85-jenkins> Project shr-core-nokia900-shr-image build #49: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://norman-schleicher.de/jenkins/job/shr-core-nokia900-shr-image/49/
Jan 13 08:44:36 <apt> Hi there, see:  http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual?
Jan 13 09:04:39 <JaMa> moin
Jan 13 09:31:27 <mrmoku> moin JaMa 
Jan 13 09:32:57 <mrmoku> JaMa: how's build of 019 for gta02? I won't tell anybody... but can I upgrade to it to test if the dialog problem is gone there?
Jan 13 09:33:09 <mrmoku> I can't reproduce it with updated EFL on my local gta04 build
Jan 13 09:33:20 <mrmoku> and I don't want to build from scratch for gta02 ;)
Jan 13 09:44:25 <pabs3> hmm, SHR blog looks lonely
Jan 13 09:44:34 * pabs3 suggests a post about the new strategy
Jan 13 10:01:45 <JaMa> mrmoku: image is finished, so yes _you_ can try ;)
Jan 13 10:01:50 * JaMa did already
Jan 13 10:02:05 <mrmoku> good :)
Jan 13 10:02:31 <JaMa> n900 is finishing image now too
Jan 13 10:50:07 <morphis> heyho
Jan 13 10:51:46 <JaMa> heyho
Jan 13 10:54:59 <morphis> JaMa: about meta-smartphone commit cd6bcadd79b257976360826e83540525fbb46f1b "fsoaudiod: temporary bump SRCREV in recipe", why you did that?
Jan 13 10:55:10 <morphis> why not bumping CORNUCOPIA_SRCREV?
Jan 13 10:56:20 <JaMa> morphis: just because I had images mostly built on slow buildhost and wanted to finish them fast
Jan 13 10:56:28 <morphis> ok
Jan 13 10:56:34 <JaMa> morphis: should be removed with next cornucopia bump
Jan 13 10:56:41 <morphis> ok
Jan 13 11:48:58 <morphis> JaMa: I am getting "ImportError: No module named sqlite3" in shr-chroot when running bitbake today
Jan 13 11:57:26 <JaMa> latest shr-chroot right?
Jan 13 11:57:58 <JaMa> can you check git diff in chroot dir? because it works here and on buildhost
Jan 13 12:23:04 <JaMa> mrmoku: I was testing 019 on n900 and phoneuid is failing due to alsa control names from /etc/libphoneui.conf, not sure why
Jan 13 13:13:40 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok, will try to fix them
Jan 13 18:02:26 <nschle85> JaMa: hello, today my pandaboard arrived :-)
Jan 13 18:04:53 <nschle85> JaMa: shr-core-branches-nokia900-feed build failed (just to inform you)
Jan 13 18:12:39 <JaMa> I've noticed your panda build :)
Jan 13 18:13:11 <JaMa> nschle85: you should have told me that you're going to buy panda, I have spare bacon board for it
Jan 13 18:13:32 <JaMa> so probably next FSOSHRCON it's yours :)
Jan 13 18:14:59 <JaMa> and that build error, it's ok, only estardict with even newer EFL than what's in SHR.. so expected failure
Jan 13 18:15:52 <nschle85> JaMa: ok, you did already but now i think new jenkins is in relative new condition to use now :-)
Jan 13 18:16:29 <nschle85> JaMa: an old bug is already present again on jenkins, GIT plugin always wants to tag ....
Jan 13 18:16:44 * JaMa going home from work, bbl
Jan 13 18:16:53 <nschle85> JaMa: pardon what is a spare bacon board ?
Jan 13 18:17:01 <nschle85> see you in some minues again ?
Jan 13 18:17:43 <JaMa> http://elinux.org/BeaconBoard
Jan 13 18:18:01 <nschle85> ah beacon not bacon :-)
Jan 13 18:18:15 <nschle85> so iam too hungry :-)
Jan 13 18:18:49 <nschle85> see you later, may be i need your help... angstrom compiles wrong kernel
Jan 13 18:35:21 <CIA-77> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r5e47a01b2ab7 10/meta-palm/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-hpveer_git.bb: linux-hpveer: add COMPATIBLE_MACHINE settings
Jan 13 18:35:24 <JaMa> nschle85: try now ^
Jan 13 18:39:05 <nschle85> JaMa: do you have to time to explain the patch ?
Jan 13 18:42:02 <JaMa> nschle85: it says that linux-hpveer is compatible only with hpveer machine, so it won't be picked for pandaboard for sure
Jan 13 18:49:13 <nschle85> JaMa: can i swicth off old server ? or do you want to save any data from it ?
Jan 13 18:49:56 <JaMa> yes you can
Jan 13 18:52:26 <nschle85> ok, so the real switch off will be done end of month, until then you can use it for compiling testing whatever but ill remove all private data now, so you should do only volatile stuff on it from now
Jan 13 18:54:43 <JaMa> everything is built on new server already, so I wont probably even try to login to old one :)
Jan 13 19:02:53 <nschle85> JaMa: why do you have a beacon board ? 
Jan 13 19:03:48 <GNUtoo> strange strange
Jan 13 19:03:54 <nschle85> JaMa: what is the difference between shr and angstrom ?
Jan 13 19:03:57 <GNUtoo> that command consume way less CPU:
Jan 13 19:04:05 <GNUtoo> arecord -f S16_LE -r 8000 -c 1 -Ddsnoop:1 | aplay -f S16_LE -r 8000 -c 1
Jan 13 19:04:21 <JaMa> nschle85: got one on ELCE
Jan 13 19:05:01 <GNUtoo> nschle85, most of the metadata is shared but shr works better for phones
Jan 13 19:05:03 <JaMa> nschle85: every distro has own policies and supported target devices etc.. so cannot explain difference
Jan 13 19:05:06 <nschle85> JaMa: ah ok, but at the moment i do not need it, you should give it to someone who is more productive than me :-)
Jan 13 19:05:19 <GNUtoo> like you have the same recipes in common
Jan 13 19:05:28 <GNUtoo> but for instance the phoneuid recipe won't go in angstrom
Jan 13 19:06:28 <nschle85> but angstrom is shr based i red
Jan 13 19:06:31 <GNUtoo> for instance angstrom is more aimed towards general purpose embedded computer
Jan 13 19:06:35 <nschle85> read
Jan 13 19:06:57 <GNUtoo> so instead of adding fso-apm they will have normal apm and similar stuff
Jan 13 19:07:18 <GNUtoo> nschle85, I don't think so, in the past shr was based on angstrom
Jan 13 19:07:22 <GNUtoo> but it's not true anymore
Jan 13 19:08:15 <nschle85> GNUtoo: angstrom is using shr feeds...
Jan 13 19:08:34 <GNUtoo> it's using the machine layers
Jan 13 19:08:36 <GNUtoo> not the feeds
Jan 13 19:08:57 <GNUtoo> like meta-openmoko, meta-nokia etc...
Jan 13 19:09:02 <GNUtoo> but not meta-shr
Jan 13 19:09:15 <nschle85> GNUtoo: ah ok so angstrom can be used for shr machines thats the benefit ?
Jan 13 19:09:25 <GNUtoo> yes
Jan 13 19:10:42 <nschle85> GNUtoo: and how far away (<->) are shr shr feeds away from angstrom feeds ? 
Jan 13 19:11:30 <JaMa> nschle85: mostly meta-angstrom is missing in SHR and meta-shr/meta-fso is missing in Angstrom
Jan 13 19:13:20 <GNUtoo> nschle85, angstrom have more stuff and more machines
Jan 13 19:13:33 <GNUtoo> nschle85, note that feeds != layer
Jan 13 19:13:43 <GNUtoo> I responded for feeds
Jan 13 19:14:05 <nschle85> GNUtoo: i understand feeds (programs)
Jan 13 19:14:20 <GNUtoo> feeds is like the place that contains the ipk
Jan 13 19:14:30 <GNUtoo> also some other differences:
Jan 13 19:14:47 <GNUtoo>  * shr mostly uses devtmpfs and angstrom uses udev
Jan 13 19:14:55 <GNUtoo>  * not sure if angstrom use HAL or not
Jan 13 19:15:02 <JaMa> not anymore
Jan 13 19:15:07 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 13 19:15:10 <GNUtoo> it did in the past
Jan 13 19:15:13 <JaMa> nobody is using HAL nowadays :)
Jan 13 19:15:20 <nschle85> GNUtoo: i build an image with systemd
Jan 13 19:15:22 <GNUtoo>  * angstrom uses systemd
Jan 13 19:15:31 <GNUtoo> yes that's what angstrom uses
Jan 13 19:15:34 <Artox> Good Evening everyone
Jan 13 19:15:39 <GNUtoo> hi
Jan 13 19:15:49 <Artox> I wanted to try to inquire if there is a good and new version of SHR for the GTA02
Jan 13 19:15:51 <nschle85> Artox: good evening :-)
Jan 13 19:16:16 <Artox> when I tried SHR-Core last I coudlnt even do a call
Jan 13 19:16:36 <GNUtoo> Apsu, in the version I've on the phone I can do calls
Jan 13 19:16:40 <JaMa> have you used --numeric-owner when extracting .tar.gz?
Jan 13 19:16:41 <GNUtoo> I just did one not so long ago
Jan 13 19:17:59 <Artox> so I should try it again
Jan 13 19:18:21 <Artox> btw It would be nice to have at least 1 image downloadable that is known to work a a phone
Jan 13 19:18:36 <JaMa> Artox: have you seen StagingTests wiki page?
Jan 13 19:18:42 <Artox> no
Jan 13 19:19:01 <JaMa> Artox: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Stabilizing
Jan 13 19:19:13 <JaMa> Artox: and have you used --numeric-owner?
Jan 13 19:19:46 <Artox> well I havent seen that wiki page before and I didnt use any tar arguments different from xf
Jan 13 19:20:29 <Artox> reading it now
Jan 13 19:20:37 <JaMa> than it's not image fault.. 
Jan 13 19:21:00 <Artox> well
Jan 13 19:21:10 <Artox> I tried both on sd-card and internal flash as jffs2
Jan 13 19:21:15 <nschle85> Artox: why havent you seen that page ? (i am asking to find out what new users are reading / doing)
Jan 13 19:21:37 <Artox> its the first link under User resources
Jan 13 19:21:40 <Artox> but I always skipped over it
Jan 13 19:21:42 <CIA-77> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r22f0eb290824 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): meta-openmoko: add new kernel for om-gta02 based on 3.2.1
Jan 13 19:21:50 <Artox> it looks like "work"
Jan 13 19:21:55 <CIA-77> SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r62b21d1b0fe1 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-openmoko_git.bb: linux-openmoko-git: change SRC_URI to track shr-master branch, which tracks vanila master
Jan 13 19:21:55 <Artox> the description doenst pull me
Jan 13 19:21:59 <nschle85> Artox: how did you find shr what is your entry page ? 
Jan 13 19:22:10 <Artox> http://shr-project.org/trac
Jan 13 19:22:59 <Artox> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/GTA/InstallGuide maybe there should be a link to those testing images
Jan 13 19:24:18 <GNUtoo> JaMa, so we finally switch to 3.2? what doesn't work yet on 3.2?
Jan 13 19:24:33 <GNUtoo> note that I can't work on it since I'm working on forwarding all the time
Jan 13 19:24:53 <JaMa> GNUtoo: no it's with D_P -1
Jan 13 19:24:57 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 13 19:25:19 <JaMa> GNUtoo: usbnet and touchscreen are bad
Jan 13 19:25:32 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 13 19:25:32 <JaMa> touchscreen is imho renamed event devices
Jan 13 19:25:39 <GNUtoo> touchscreen worked for me on 3.1
Jan 13 19:25:45 <GNUtoo> it even worked well
Jan 13 19:25:52 <GNUtoo> because I had the patch for it in 3.1
Jan 13 19:26:06 <JaMa> but usbnet fails  like this "hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1" and makes it hard to debug touchscreen without usbnet
Jan 13 19:26:07 <nschle85> JaMa: when are the images on  http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core/images/om-gta02/ updated ? 
Jan 13 19:26:10 <GNUtoo> the one that only use the adc in certain moment
Jan 13 19:26:15 <GNUtoo> for usbnet it's easy
Jan 13 19:26:22 <GNUtoo> just add the udc module in autoload
Jan 13 19:26:26 <JaMa> GNUtoo: maybe it's because of systemd running xinput-calibrator twice..
Jan 13 19:26:34 <GNUtoo> possible
Jan 13 19:26:45 <nschle85> JaMa: the install guide links there
Jan 13 19:26:50 <JaMa> GNUtoo: to be clare, ts works it's only rotated twice
Jan 13 19:26:56 <GNUtoo> JaMa, you should ask for a debug board
Jan 13 19:26:59 <GNUtoo> to mickeyl
Jan 13 19:27:13 <GNUtoo> JaMa, ok
Jan 13 19:27:14 <JaMa> nschle85: when staging feeds are good enough to be merged
Jan 13 19:27:25 <JaMa> nschle85: and shr-core is now just symlink to shr-2012.01
Jan 13 19:27:48 <JaMa> I guess I'll keep shr-core as symlink to latest release
Jan 13 19:28:15 <nschle85> GNUtoo: i have a debug board for GTA02 do you need it ?
Jan 13 19:28:17 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, mrmoku ping
Jan 13 19:28:26 <GNUtoo> nschle85, I've one too but JaMa doesn't have one
Jan 13 19:28:35 <GNUtoo> so send to JaMa 
Jan 13 19:28:48 <GNUtoo> what I lack is rather the gta04 serial cable
Jan 13 19:28:58 <GNUtoo> I should ask for one
Jan 13 19:29:10 <GNUtoo> or buy one
Jan 13 19:29:37 <nschle85> JaMa: do you need a gta02 debug board ?
Jan 13 19:30:22 <JaMa> could be handy from time to time but not really (hoping that someone else will finish kernel work later :))
Jan 13 19:30:43 <GNUtoo> JaMa, does GSM and such devices work?
Jan 13 19:30:55 <GNUtoo> because usbnet is easy
Jan 13 19:30:59 <GNUtoo> just load 1 module
Jan 13 19:31:04 <GNUtoo> before g_ether
Jan 13 19:31:16 <GNUtoo> and it works
Jan 13 19:32:13 <JaMa> loading s3c2410_udc wasn't enough here
Jan 13 19:32:15 <JaMa> and GSM works
Jan 13 19:32:47 <JaMa> acording to vibrator saying I've new message and showing my operator
Jan 13 19:33:12 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 13 19:33:20 <GNUtoo> then I should look
Jan 13 19:33:29 <GNUtoo> but I really want to finish forwarder first
Jan 13 19:33:54 <JaMa> yes, work on forwarder.. we won't switch kernel before release anyway
Jan 13 19:34:44 <JaMa> I was upgrading it now just because I was upgrading my spitz now
Jan 13 19:41:59 <nschle85> JaMa: is there any possibility to support pandaboard in shr ? 
Jan 13 19:42:47 <nschle85> JaMa: i ask because i got answers of my problem in oe and shr, channel but angstrom is still quiet
Jan 13 19:43:16 <JaMa> what do you mean by that?
Jan 13 19:43:35 <nschle85> support MACHINE=pandaboard
Jan 13 19:44:27 <JaMa> and?
Jan 13 19:44:53 <nschle85> have a running distribution, on it
Jan 13 19:45:39 <JaMa> you can build it with DISTRO=shr if you try hard enough
Jan 13 19:45:59 <JaMa> but it doesn't make sense to add pandaboard to officially supported devices
Jan 13 19:46:16 <JaMa> I'm also using SHR as distribution to build my spitz images
Jan 13 19:46:40 <nschle85> JaMa: why not ? this i was also thinking about
Jan 13 19:47:05 <JaMa> but I'm not changing anything meta-smartphone (or meta-shr) because of spitz
Jan 13 19:47:30 <JaMa> nschle85: because the advantage of SHR is that we're targeting smart phones not every embedded gadget in general
Jan 13 19:47:51 <nschle85> JaMa: so i found out that huawei internet sticks can be used for voice calls
Jan 13 19:48:23 <JaMa> and because I don't have pandaboard then I cannot help you with machine specific issues if you try to build image for it with SHR
Jan 13 19:48:43 <nschle85> so a pandaboard with that stick, can be used in a car to make phone calls, navigating, internet browsing... aso
Jan 13 19:49:27 <nschle85> so shr is used like a computer with advatages of an smart phone
Jan 13 19:49:30 <JaMa> without display and ts?
Jan 13 19:50:39 <nschle85> JaMa: no, displays for cars or car radios including a display are available
Jan 13 19:50:46 <JaMa> will you write fso* support for that?
Jan 13 19:51:01 <nschle85> and shr is available on normal desktop computers
Jan 13 19:51:11 <JaMa> because SHR in many places expects that target device is also supported by FSO
Jan 13 19:51:30 <JaMa> so if you want general embedded device, then as I and GNUtoo said before.. use Angstrom
Jan 13 19:51:58 <GNUtoo> btw is fsoaudiod supposed to be daemonized?
Jan 13 19:52:05 <nschle85> JaMa: that is why i think FSO has some design issues
Jan 13 19:53:22 <nschle85> JaMa: but if Huawei is integrated in fso, shr userland applications can be developed on every desktop computer
Jan 13 19:53:47 <GNUtoo> hmmm never mind it doesn't daemonize by default
Jan 13 19:53:56 <GNUtoo> so daemonizing it is not good
Jan 13 19:54:21 <GNUtoo> I'll add threads
Jan 13 19:54:56 <nschle85> JaMa: i think this will grow the community 
Jan 13 19:55:24 <nschle85> JaMa: ofono still has support for it
Jan 13 19:55:48 <GNUtoo> WOW!!!! 0% usage
Jan 13 19:56:03 <GNUtoo> I removed --daemonize from the config file
Jan 13 19:56:10 <JaMa> nschle85: as I said, feel free to build it yourself..
Jan 13 19:56:49 <nschle85> JaMa: i still feel free but i would like to know your oppinion
Jan 13 19:56:53 <GNUtoo> (all the CPU usage was done by htop)
Jan 13 19:56:54 <JaMa> nschle85: but SHR as distribution will still assume that target devices are smartphones.. so you have to handle it yourself like I do with spitz, or use something else which suits better
Jan 13 19:57:25 <JaMa> nschle85: I thinks I've said enough of my opinion already :)
Jan 13 19:57:30 <GNUtoo> nschle85, in other words what do you plan to do with your pandaboard?
Jan 13 19:57:50 <GNUtoo> if you plan not to use it as a tipical SHR smartphone use angstrom
Jan 13 19:58:09 <nschle85> GNUtoo: steaming kartina.tv
Jan 13 19:58:26 <nschle85> GNUtoo: but i was thinking what can be done else
Jan 13 19:58:50 <nschle85> GNUtoo: connecting a huawei stick it can be used as a "smart phone"
Jan 13 19:59:35 <GNUtoo> nschle85, use angstrom you have already ofono for it
Jan 13 19:59:42 <JaMa> systemd[1]: Startup finished in 2s 983ms 970us (kernel) + 25s 430ms 410us (userspace) = 28s 414ms 380us.
Jan 13 19:59:43 <GNUtoo> shr expects fso instead
Jan 13 19:59:45 <JaMa> good enough :)
Jan 13 19:59:53 <GNUtoo> you'll have to invest a lot of time to add fso support
Jan 13 20:00:10 <GNUtoo> and it would be better if you invest that much time on n900
Jan 13 20:00:40 <nschle85> GNUtoo: i dont think so, but ill continue on N900 :-)
Jan 13 20:00:56 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 13 20:01:32 <GNUtoo> -P plughw:0 -C hw:1 -S 0 -f S16_LE -r 8000 -c 1 -T -1 -A 3 -t 500000
Jan 13 20:01:38 <nschle85> GNUtoo: because N900 is a dead platform... any computer connected to huawei stick has a lot potential.
Jan 13 20:01:42 <GNUtoo> that is low enough as CPU usage
Jan 13 20:01:52 <GNUtoo> nschle85, why is it a dead phone?
Jan 13 20:02:00 <GNUtoo> maybe it's a dead phone because no one works on it
Jan 13 20:02:09 <GNUtoo> and no one works on it because it's a dead phone?
Jan 13 20:02:15 <GNUtoo> kind of circular dependency
Jan 13 20:02:34 <nschle85> GNUtoo: how long is it or its platform produced ?
Jan 13 20:02:52 <GNUtoo> that's not a problem
Jan 13 20:03:12 <GNUtoo> the problem is who has it, who work on it, the status, the kernel status etc...
Jan 13 20:03:24 <GNUtoo> gta02 is not beeing produced anymore, still it's the best supported device
Jan 13 20:03:54 <nschle85> GNUtoo: all isi stuff we do is done for the devices currently sold. isi stuff has no future
Jan 13 20:04:26 <GNUtoo> n900 has a great kernel
Jan 13 20:04:32 <GNUtoo> part of it is upstream
Jan 13 20:04:39 <GNUtoo> it only lack some small isi and alsa work
Jan 13 20:04:55 <GNUtoo> I cannot do it because I currently work on gta04
Jan 13 20:05:10 <GNUtoo> it would not be correct to get the best gta04 and not to work on it
Jan 13 20:05:19 <nschle85> GNUtoo: but the phone is dead, follower
Jan 13 20:05:24 <GNUtoo> (mine has a case....)
Jan 13 20:05:39 <GNUtoo> it's the same for other phones
Jan 13 20:05:40 <nschle85> no follower
Jan 13 20:05:45 <GNUtoo> then gta02 would be dead
Jan 13 20:05:55 <GNUtoo> still it needs device specific things
Jan 13 20:06:07 <GNUtoo> like glamo, special AT commands etc...
Jan 13 20:06:24 <GNUtoo> the problem is for someone who would want to buy one to make fso run on it
Jan 13 20:06:39 <GNUtoo> but why would he want that....the status is not good at all
Jan 13 20:06:53 <GNUtoo> it only lacks some small things tough
Jan 13 20:07:01 <GNUtoo> like alsa forwarder and isi
Jan 13 20:07:50 <nschle85> GNUtoo: so i think using common platform and huawei stick should be a cheaper and longer available reference platform 
Jan 13 20:08:07 <GNUtoo> hmmm this time 30% CPU usage
Jan 13 20:08:22 <GNUtoo> how would you use it as a cellphone?
Jan 13 20:08:29 <GNUtoo> you need a battery
Jan 13 20:08:47 <GNUtoo> and the huawei stick would be hard to find too
Jan 13 20:09:20 <nschle85> GNUtoo: no sticks are very common
Jan 13 20:10:24 <GNUtoo> yes but it would become not sold anymore after a while
Jan 13 20:10:51 <GNUtoo> gta02 and gta04 are pretty good in that reguard
Jan 13 20:10:58 <GNUtoo> they will be sold for a long time
Jan 13 20:11:31 <nschle85> GNUtoo: so you have to excange the stick, not the whole platform, like X audio and so on
Jan 13 20:12:04 <GNUtoo> did you try to use a pandaboard as a phone?
Jan 13 20:12:08 <GNUtoo> it's a bit big....
Jan 13 20:12:14 <GNUtoo> with no battery
Jan 13 20:12:39 <nschle85> GNUtoo: it has the features of it, not the form factor
Jan 13 20:13:11 <nschle85> GNUtoo: but JaMa|Off is using N900 as a computer but n900 is no computer
Jan 13 20:13:33 <JaMa|Off> ?
Jan 13 20:14:07 <GNUtoo> nschle85, people usually want to really use the hardware
Jan 13 20:14:17 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: you told me the N900 is your computer, not your telephone
Jan 13 20:14:48 <GNUtoo> how do you plan to transform the pandaboard in a cellphone form factor?
Jan 13 20:15:07 <JaMa|Off> yes, but that's not in conflict with SHR as distribution
Jan 13 20:16:04 <JaMa|Off> once again:
Jan 13 20:16:06 <JaMa|Off> 20:47:17 < JaMa> nschle85: because the advantage of SHR is that we're targeting smart phones not every embedded gadget in general
Jan 13 20:16:20 <JaMa|Off> if we try to target every device where you can plug your stick
Jan 13 20:16:43 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: is that an advantage ?
Jan 13 20:16:48 <JaMa|Off> then we loose this advantage and SHR as separate distro wouldn't be needed
Jan 13 20:17:03 <JaMa|Off> we could just become Angstrom image with shr apps
Jan 13 20:17:10 <JaMa|Off> yes it _IS_
Jan 13 20:17:33 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: hmmm whats bad with it ?
Jan 13 20:18:29 <GNUtoo> nschle85, angstrom wouldn't accept the shr-specificities
Jan 13 20:18:29 <JaMa|Off> for example do you remember discussion about udev/devtmpfs?
Jan 13 20:18:32 <GNUtoo> like using FSO
Jan 13 20:18:37 <GNUtoo> or devtmpfs
Jan 13 20:18:58 <nschle85> yes
Jan 13 20:19:00 <JaMa|Off> the same is with apm/fso-apm, alsa-states/fsoaudiod, ...
Jan 13 20:19:45 <JaMa|Off> just because we are targeting only few devices which are similar, then we can assume FSO support and such things and make distro policies from it
Jan 13 20:19:50 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: so i think fso is doing things it should not do,
Jan 13 20:20:10 <GNUtoo> the point of nschle85 is that phones are obsolete too fast and that we should make a phone out of a pandaboard with a huwaei stick
Jan 13 20:20:29 <JaMa|Off> pandaboard is obsoleted already
Jan 13 20:20:39 <GNUtoo> lol ok
Jan 13 20:20:42 <JaMa|Off> even with stick
Jan 13 20:20:55 <GNUtoo> what's the new board?
Jan 13 20:21:03 <JaMa|Off> beaglebone
Jan 13 20:21:08 <GNUtoo> ok
Jan 13 20:21:10 <GNUtoo> let me look
Jan 13 20:21:39 <nschle85> GNUtoo: JaMa|Off is right, boards will be obsolete sometime
Jan 13 20:22:14 <nschle85> GNUtoo: JaMa|Off but why effort many work in new boards ?
Jan 13 20:22:48 <GNUtoo> in fact I don't work in that much new board anymore
Jan 13 20:22:52 <GNUtoo> I work on gta02 and gta04
Jan 13 20:23:03 <GNUtoo> and I'll have to work a bit on nexus S too
Jan 13 20:23:05 <nschle85> GNUtoo: JaMa|Off: and there is no longer and wider supported platform
Jan 13 20:24:11 <Artox> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/017/images/om-gta02/
Jan 13 20:24:17 <Artox> I have a problem here
Jan 13 20:24:28 <Artox> I decided toi test this version
Jan 13 20:24:33 <Artox> but there is no uimage.bin
Jan 13 20:24:40 <Artox> I could ofc downlaod the tar.gz
Jan 13 20:24:43 <JaMa|Off> look in older 
Jan 13 20:25:04 <JaMa|Off> not every staging feed has images or even uimages
Jan 13 20:25:34 <JaMa|Off> if kernel is not changed between 016 and 017 then 017 won't have it and you have to search in older feeds
Jan 13 20:25:40 <Artox> ok
Jan 13 20:25:43 <nschle85> GNUtoo: JaMa|Off: hmm... as i can see, i should think about my ideas and write some papers, to present you my ideas and why shr can benefit not only support real smart phones
Jan 13 20:25:57 <Artox> but this is probably bad
Jan 13 20:26:22 <JaMa|Off> download page will find it for you
Jan 13 20:26:40 <JaMa|Off> and if it's not there then right version is in public feed
Jan 13 20:27:15 <Artox> ok
Jan 13 20:27:34 <GNUtoo> nschle85, people are usually interested in real stuff, project black duck (from simbian) also seem to have failed because of that
Jan 13 20:27:38 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: my idea to use shr as platform for pandaboard and streaming was because, the support in shr is much better than in angstrom
Jan 13 20:28:03 <JaMa|Off> no it's not
Jan 13 20:28:49 <JaMa|Off> angstrom is very well supported and panda/beagle boards/bones are best supported there
Jan 13 20:29:44 <nschle85> JaMa|Off:software does not, i agree, but people on angstrom channel are very silent
Jan 13 20:37:13 <JaMa|Off> and /me is leaving too :)
Jan 13 20:37:24 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: angstrom pandaboard did not build,
Jan 13 20:37:41 <JaMa|Off> shr pandaboard would fail too
Jan 13 20:38:06 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: so ill install ubuntu, #angstrom is still silent
Jan 13 20:38:20 <JaMa|Off> ok
Jan 13 20:38:47 <nschle85> JaMa|Off: are you online tomorrow ?
Jan 13 20:38:47 <JaMa|Off> bye all
Jan 13 20:38:51 <nschle85> bye
Jan 13 20:38:56 <JaMa|Off> depends when I'll go to work..
Jan 13 21:51:22 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: 03GNUtoo 07gnutoo/alsaloop * rbac004e1fd69 10cornucopia/fsoaudiod/src/plugins/gsmvoice_alsa_forwarder/plugin.vala: 
Jan 13 21:51:22 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: fsoaudiod: gsmvoice_alsa_forwarder: better handling of the start/stop of the wrapper alsaloop
Jan 13 21:51:22 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: Note that when the call stops fsoaudiod exits...
Jan 13 21:51:22 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: That will be addressed in a new commit.
Jan 13 21:51:23 <CIA-77> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo@no-log.org>
Jan 13 23:56:50 * pespin willing to have a look at openCV features to be used in apps for mobile cameras.
Jan 14 02:44:22 <ilold9> I wouldn't say nobody is working on n900. for example: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=132611324318625&w=2 
Jan 14 02:45:28 <ilold9> ok, it is not as fast as one would like. 
Jan 14 02:46:32 <ilold9> If we assume modem will work, that would leave audio.
Jan 14 02:47:41 <ilold9> I am still looking into that but my skills are not sufficient yet.
Jan 14 02:51:57 <ilold9> Wasn't there someone, who did want to write a alsa plugin for n900? so, I'd say it's still alife. I also do work on it. I my case it will still take a bit of time, so I hope I can manage before n900 dies a natural death.
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