**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 08 02:59:57 2012 Feb 08 04:35:25 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r47cad086c0c5 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_option_gtm601/plugin.vala: Feb 08 04:35:25 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_option_gtm601: enable/disable signal strength updates on resume/suspend Feb 08 04:35:25 freesmartphone.org: As reported by GNUtoo; more information found here: Feb 08 04:35:25 freesmartphone.org: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2012-January/001393.html Feb 08 04:35:26 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:11 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r9b4a6a30de1f 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/Makefile.am: Feb 08 04:36:11 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: extra define for libsamsung-ipc is not needed here anymore Feb 08 04:36:11 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:12 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r151fad823a95 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/plugin.vala: Feb 08 04:36:12 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: initialize samsung ipc library on module loading Feb 08 04:36:12 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:18 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r2e7819628dfe 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/ (4 files): Feb 08 04:36:18 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: handle different functionality modes (full, airplane) Feb 08 04:36:18 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:18 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r5567813a291a 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Feb 08 04:36:19 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: lib: cleanup and refactor code of our pdp handler base class a bit Feb 08 04:36:19 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:22 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r1f76d2e33831 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/mediators_device.vala: Feb 08 04:36:22 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: report minimal functionality level as unsupported Feb 08 04:36:22 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:22 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * rc75c9c908dc4 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/modem.vala lib/pdp.vala plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala): Feb 08 04:36:24 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: pdp: take new roaming allowed setting and network status into advance for contex status updates Feb 08 04:36:24 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:24 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r1a87798acda1 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/lib/pdp.vala: Feb 08 04:36:24 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: pdp: mark context as suspended when there is no network connectivity Feb 08 04:36:25 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * rd543d3a8aaf0 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/pdp_qmi/plugin.vala: Feb 08 04:36:27 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: pdp_qmi: adjust for recent changes to PDP handler class Feb 08 04:36:27 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r30caf7617ae0 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/pdp_ppp_internal/plugin.vala: Feb 08 04:36:40 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: log results directly when test case is finished Feb 08 04:36:40 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:40 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r9144450a1ac7 10cornucopia/fsotest/ (conf/default/fsotest.conf src/testgsm.vala): Feb 08 04:36:40 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: add test cases for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetFunctionality/GetFunctionality Feb 08 04:36:41 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:41 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r1557f75756f0 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala smshandler.vala): Feb 08 04:36:42 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: first but incomplete version of the SMS message handler Feb 08 04:36:42 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:46 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * ra6c40c3dea0a 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Feb 08 04:36:47 freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsogsmd: connman: register cellular technology driver to connman" Feb 08 04:36:47 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 03d6d1115413407511e290756bc97c1c12579095. Feb 08 04:36:47 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r420719f04834 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Feb 08 04:36:47 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: connman: register cellular technology driver to connman Feb 08 04:36:47 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:36:48 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r72d62585e61c 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/mediators_network.vala: Feb 08 04:36:48 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: don't do anything on network registration for now Feb 08 04:37:06 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:37:06 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r24e17bc5a985 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/connman/modemhandler.vala: Feb 08 04:37:06 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: connman: rename available member to resource_gsm_requested Feb 08 04:37:06 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:37:07 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r09b596baf5ca 10cornucopia/fsotest/src/testutils.vala: Feb 08 04:37:07 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: extend assert methods to carry a informative text message for test result Feb 08 04:37:08 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:37:08 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * rab4bc1153b94 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/ (mediators_network.vala plugin.vala): Feb 08 04:38:06 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: implement network registration mediators (automatic and manual) Feb 08 04:38:06 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:38:06 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r69e512108b1e 10cornucopia/libfsotransport/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Feb 08 04:38:06 freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: move linux/gsmmux.h from top directory into 3rdparty directory Feb 08 04:38:07 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:38:07 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * r614a05db28de 10cornucopia/fsotest/src/testutils.vala: Feb 08 04:38:08 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: append expected and actual values to test result output Feb 08 04:38:08 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 04:38:09 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/pending * rb5ff0e6408ad 10cornucopia/fsotest/src/testgsm.vala: Feb 08 04:39:06 freesmartphone.org: fsotest: add test case for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetFeatures Feb 08 04:39:06 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Simon Busch Feb 08 07:05:17 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rae66f69056a5 10/ (280 files in 38 dirs): system upgrade and testing bitbake patches Feb 08 09:25:49 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rbefe455c0d41 10/ (12 files in 7 dirs): bitbake: fix float timeouts Feb 08 14:48:29 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r9b651f3e9255 10/packages/ (264 files in 264 dirs): Build 201202081052 of shr 20120208 for machine nokia900 on shr-chroot Feb 08 14:59:21 I have just put a solution for #1747 on shr track. It is trivial. Sall I generate a proper patch? Feb 08 15:02:09 Hi guys Feb 08 15:03:47 just bought a Samsung Galaxy S II... someone have an idea how to boot a linux kernel into a android device such that one? Feb 08 15:05:54 see GNUtoo http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Android%20Porting%20Guide Feb 08 15:15:02 jluis: does it apply for 2.6.39 too? Feb 08 15:16:37 jluis: ah I was looking on wrong ticket Feb 08 15:17:20 jluis: I guess it's caused by new python-dbus, please send proper patch for frameworkd to smartphone-userland Feb 08 15:17:34 so they can check if it does apply in more places Feb 08 15:17:47 and I'll pick it for meta-fso if it's not applied right away Feb 08 15:18:33 thanks Feb 08 15:25:11 angelox|laptop: hi Feb 08 15:25:20 angelox|laptop: i'm porting vanila onto sgs2 Feb 08 15:25:47 JaMa My problem is I don't know what to put on the commit message "Change of idioms in metaclass"? Feb 08 15:27:41 as I'm not fluent in python and the in documentation I found type was used without qualifiers Feb 08 15:28:16 angelox|laptop: https://gitorious.org/i9100-proper-linux Feb 08 15:30:20 jluis: please check it's change in python-dbus behavior http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=1bf4df7aa343d74e7bcb136840d87924f30c3019 and if yes you can call it "Switch to python-dbus-1.0.0 api" :) Feb 08 15:33:10 Alex[sp3dev]: Hi.. let me check it Feb 08 15:33:55 SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07shr-themes * r3487a5290b0e 10/e-wm/e-wm-config-illume2-shr/module.illume-keyboard.src: e-wm-config-illume2-shr: default keyboard-height: 1.6 Feb 08 15:34:26 Alex[sp3dev]: just for some tests, how do i boot a kernel into the sgs2 without flashing (i'm checking fastboot) Feb 08 15:35:33 angelox|laptop: no fastboot, you have to flash it Feb 08 15:36:23 Alex[sp3dev]: hmm, there's some kind of uboot to it? i mean, i would like to stay with android.. Feb 08 15:37:10 angelox|laptop: no, I have not looked into uboot yet. and kexec is broken. so I usually flash vanilla, play with it for some time (hack/port drivers) and then flash back android kernel Feb 08 15:37:28 i guess we can port uboot, but uboot for exynos does not support fb iirc Feb 08 15:39:06 JaMa, I dont think this is the culprit the blame says that the class souce hasn't changed since 2007-06-18 Feb 08 15:39:09 Alex[sp3dev]: hmm ok. i have no knowledge in kernel hacking, but as i'm free (working almost in none projects) i can learn and try to help Feb 08 15:39:22 s/souce/source/ Feb 08 15:40:43 ls Feb 08 15:40:45 ol Feb 08 15:41:28 angelox|laptop: most hardware is in vanilla kernel. my aim is to get full sgs2 support upstream. but for that we need to port and rewrite (cleanup) modem tty driver and sound driver. a proper linux (shr/ubuntu/meego) port will take a lot of time, so I'm working on it a bit in free time, but using android daily Feb 08 15:41:32 oops sorry Feb 08 15:42:03 Alex[sp3dev]: hmm ok Feb 08 15:42:26 SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07meta-smartphone * r2b2c472f3a14 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-gta04_git.bb: meta-openmoko: bump linux-gta04: exports GPIO186 to enable the GTA04a4 modem Feb 08 15:44:48 JaMa, Ok I found some info to look at thanks Feb 08 15:59:35 Alex[sp3dev]: Do you have any instructions of how to flash the kernel? Feb 08 15:59:45 angelox|laptop, you could ask also on #edevelop as tizen has a linux userspace uses EFL and samsung sponsores it Feb 08 16:03:05 jluis, but there is not out of context? Feb 08 16:14:48 SHR: 03lukasmaerdian 07meta-smartphone * ra7ace88bc354 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/shr/e-wm-config-illume2-shr_git.bb: meta-shr: e-wm-config-illum2-shr: bump SRCREV Feb 08 16:33:54 angelox|laptop, it may be but I think nobody would be angry :) search some logs Feb 08 17:20:54 angelox|laptop: sorry for the late response. download the "heimdall" tool and use "heimdal flash --kernel=/foo/bar/zImage" Feb 08 17:21:50 Alex[sp3dev]: thanks, but how to recover back to android kernel? Feb 08 17:24:21 angelox|laptop: either unpack it from your android update.zip or dump /dev/mmcblk0p5 in android before updating Feb 08 17:27:59 Alex[sp3dev], thanks, i'm newbie in android, i'll check where is that update.zip Feb 08 17:29:57 angelox|laptop: in android, to update ROM, you boot to a special mini-os in ramdisk called recovery from where you can apply update from sd card. on sgs2, unfortunately, recovery is combined with kernel. on the devices where recovery and boot are separate, we'd just replace recovery with vanilla kernel for dual boot Feb 08 17:32:26 Alex[sp3dev]: i see... Feb 08 17:38:50 Alex[sp3dev]: I have never updated my android before, bought it yesterday... so i have no idea of initial steps to get the running kernel Feb 08 17:42:31 HI Feb 08 18:59:47 btw is someone interested in AP/master mode on the gta04? Feb 08 18:59:59 angelox|laptop, what phone? Feb 08 19:05:32 GNUtoo: Samsung Galaxy S II Feb 08 19:07:52 wow Feb 08 19:07:55 welcome back Feb 08 19:08:29 it can indeed work well Feb 08 19:08:38 also, contact paulk-desktop Feb 08 19:08:42 and morphis Feb 08 19:08:59 yay! Feb 08 19:09:00 paulk-desktop, is working on making the modem of your phone work Feb 08 19:09:09 trough ssh.... Feb 08 19:09:12 gotta eat for now Feb 08 19:09:16 ok Feb 08 19:10:00 GNUtoo: thanks, i have contacted morphis via email Feb 08 19:10:09 ok Feb 08 19:10:38 i haven't found a config file for it in shr-core... Feb 08 19:10:48 angelox|laptop, so this phone has a samsung-compatible modem, an arm mali GPU(do you know lima? the project to reverse engineer mali devices) Feb 08 19:10:48 wth galaxy s2 is supported? Feb 08 19:10:55 TAsn, not yet Feb 08 19:11:03 ah, let me know. Feb 08 19:11:03 but it's really promizing Feb 08 19:11:06 :) Feb 08 19:11:11 I have sgs and sgs2 Feb 08 19:11:17 TAsn, part of it (its modem) is beeing added tough Feb 08 19:11:28 and nexus S is supported Feb 08 19:11:32 cool :) Feb 08 19:11:41 and Alex[sp3dev] works on mainlining the kernel Feb 08 19:11:51 so standard GNU/Linux Feb 08 19:11:53 i guess you can use nexus s image on sgs1 with minor changes Feb 08 19:12:16 ok Feb 08 19:12:30 Alex[sp3dev], which image do you use in sgs2? nexus s also works? Feb 08 19:12:36 TAsn, so it's a mather of adding support in meta-smartphone and copying the configs Feb 08 19:12:41 (fso configs) Feb 08 19:12:51 angelox|laptop, crespo Feb 08 19:12:53 angelox|laptop: i'm using random images (ubuntu/meego). i'm working on kernel side Feb 08 19:13:09 GNUtoo, cool. Feb 08 19:13:18 GNUtoo: thanks, building... Feb 08 19:13:39 Alex[sp3dev]: Thought that :) Feb 08 19:13:46 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r4a2bf5fcb5a4 10/packages/ (264 files in 264 dirs): Build 201202081603 of shr 20120208 for machine om-gta02 on shr-chroot Feb 08 19:14:12 so the problem with sgs2 is that sound driver is a mess of machine-generated crap. so two important before we can mainline it are to rewrite sound driver (hard, the code is rather obfuscated) and rewrite modem stuff (separate tty from power layer and add rfkill) Feb 08 19:14:30 ok Feb 08 19:15:24 GNUtoo: btw, what about sensors (gyro/accel) on nexus and sgs2 (k3g/k3dh). do you think we should rewrite them to be more like mainlined mpu3050/ak8975 and submit to linux-input? Feb 08 19:15:30 I've a memory problem: I can't remember the irc name of Lukas M�rdian Feb 08 19:15:35 I saw him at fosdem btw Feb 08 19:15:54 Alex[sp3dev], I only looked at how it works in userspace Feb 08 19:16:00 you activate them with sysfs Feb 08 19:16:17 and you read them with /dev/input/* Feb 08 19:16:34 yeah, they do work Feb 08 19:16:59 GNUtoo: slyon and you have seen him also on FSOSHRCON Feb 08 19:17:01 evdev works fine. not sure this sysfs is ok. will send a mail to the list tomorrow Feb 08 19:17:03 :) Feb 08 19:17:30 yes I know (about FSOSHRCON) Feb 08 19:17:45 I just couldn't remember *temporarly* his irc name Feb 08 19:17:55 the other day I knew it for instance Feb 08 19:17:57 linux-input seems a bit dead or hibernating now. my fix for kxt9j got ignored, samsung's driver for max8997 haptic too Feb 08 19:18:05 I don't know how that's called in english Feb 08 19:18:13 but in french it's called "trou de memoire" Feb 08 19:18:35 JaMa, I must fix iliwi for gta04 and I've no idea how Feb 08 19:18:40 so I wanted his help Feb 08 19:18:42 GNUtoo: a memory lapse Feb 08 19:18:47 ok thanks Feb 08 19:19:10 Alex[sp3dev], ouch, use get-maintainer.pl and send to another subsystem Feb 08 19:28:39 JaMa, do you know how to activate g_debug in vala? Feb 08 19:28:45 debug maps to g_debug Feb 08 19:28:57 but I'm not sure how to make it prints stuff Feb 08 19:29:20 ohhh Feb 08 19:29:22 it works now Feb 08 19:29:42 (iliwi worked fine 1 time) Feb 08 19:30:45 alright I'm back Feb 08 19:30:50 ok Feb 08 19:31:09 paulk-desktop, at least the following people have galaxy S II: Feb 08 19:31:29 TAsn, angelox|laptop Alex[sp3dev] (he works on kernel mainlining for galaxy S II) Feb 08 19:31:50 nice Feb 08 19:32:16 I have already decoded part of the bootstrap method for the modem Feb 08 19:32:21 GNUtoo: do you think we should develop some abstract modem control interface (like samsung's modemctl, but not tied to a single platform) or just implement rfkill in modem serial drivers (because these drivers are usually firmware-specific anyway)? Feb 08 19:32:39 but at some point, it sends a command in a specific format that is not IPC Feb 08 19:32:40 I don't think rfkill is the way to go Feb 08 19:32:56 why not? modem is radio Feb 08 19:33:01 you should look what the goal of rfill is Feb 08 19:33:07 also, I think it's much less work to deal with their interfaces Feb 08 19:33:08 it's not related to power management Feb 08 19:33:16 but rather to killing the radio emmisions Feb 08 19:34:46 though about SGS2 beware: the GPS is apparently connected to the modem Feb 08 19:35:01 paulk-desktop: could you briefly describe how sgs2 modem works? i mean, i enable gpios and it gets recognized on usb host. i guess next the snvet driver kicks in and setups a tty. what next? the userspace loads fw via tty and modem vid/pid changes? Feb 08 19:35:16 ouch aobut GPS Feb 08 19:35:19 hm GPS Feb 08 19:35:27 now i see why gps doesn't work on my kernel Feb 08 19:35:29 Alex[sp3dev], there are some gpio nodes Feb 08 19:35:37 for power Feb 08 19:35:52 apparently there is a link to USB on the host pc Feb 08 19:35:56 as you say Feb 08 19:36:00 which permits AT btw Feb 08 19:36:09 perhaps a debug line or such Feb 08 19:36:13 anyway Feb 08 19:36:25 firmware upload is done via svnet Feb 08 19:36:32 paulk-desktop: i have not yet ported svnet to my mainline kernel so i have not played with modem myself Feb 08 19:36:38 ok Feb 08 19:36:42 all transport is done via svnet Feb 08 19:37:08 though, svnet is not mainline at all Feb 08 19:37:16 it even changes between galaxy s, galaxy s2 Feb 08 19:37:22 ahhh maybe it request the WiFi and never release it because of the segfault Feb 08 19:37:44 paulk-desktop: yes, i have plans on integrating svnet. as it is fw-specific, i guess it is better to not port modemctl, but add power callback to svnet via pdata, right? Feb 08 19:37:59 anybody knows about alsa settings in gt02 for sound parameters variations Feb 08 19:38:13 yes I've a trace Feb 08 19:38:17 Abbasi, hi Feb 08 19:38:29 Abbasi, what do you mean? Feb 08 19:38:31 Alex[sp3dev], mhh, you mean doing power via the svnet line? Feb 08 19:38:37 GNUtoo, hi Feb 08 19:38:43 dealing with power* Feb 08 19:39:34 JaMa, http://www.pastie.org/private/l1ho3xij6jc8dxo5rgq Feb 08 19:39:42 (svnet is a PHONET socket btw) Feb 08 19:39:47 self is 0x0 Feb 08 19:39:47 paulk-desktop: i mean, i'm lazy to redesign modemctl into an abstract interface and want to move its gpio magic to svnet because svnet protocol is specific to the particular fw version on sgs2 Feb 08 19:40:11 @GNUToo what alsa settings can be changed without gsm network corrupting your sound Feb 08 19:40:14 paulk-desktop: i just mean svnet and modemctl from android tree will not get accepted mainline without rework Feb 08 19:40:23 okay Feb 08 19:40:34 Abbasi, maybe describe your problem so we could understand Feb 08 19:40:37 having Feb 08 19:40:50 having modemctl with an abstract interface seems like a good idea to me though Feb 08 19:41:12 so you could even reuse it on other samsung devices Feb 08 19:41:15 because I know alsa, and the gta02 sound controls(altough I didn't read the full datasheets) a bit but I cannot understand your problem if you don't explain it Feb 08 19:41:44 @GNUToo well i want to do encryption on top of gsm encryption...so for that purpose i wan't to manipulate voice before i transmit it on the network Feb 08 19:41:54 WOW Feb 08 19:42:09 you're the one who wrote in the openmoko ml then Feb 08 19:42:15 anyway, I don't know so much about kernel stuff, I didn't write anything but mostly modified drivers to trace protocols Feb 08 19:42:23 Abbasi, It's indeed possible theorically Feb 08 19:42:24 Abbasi, that's a nice goal! Feb 08 19:42:32 for instance someone did that: Feb 08 19:42:35 @GNUToo well a lot of people told me it's impossibble Feb 08 19:42:36 he recorded GSM Feb 08 19:42:41 and played back Feb 08 19:42:55 on the earpiece Feb 08 19:42:57 GNUtoo: no, it's not Feb 08 19:43:04 @GNUToo yeah for playback it's something else but what if in realtime Feb 08 19:43:14 DocScrutinizer, so it's not possible on gta02? Feb 08 19:43:18 yes, i tried starting writing such interface, but it is tough. for example, what to do with irqs? different modems have different ones? should modemctl register svnet/tty as a subdevice and pass irq resources to it? that's reinventing mfd basically... and basically gpios like host wakeup and others are also not present in all modems. so i think i'll just pass it to svnet via pdata for now and try to submit the driver and ask for maintainer' Feb 08 19:43:23 it nowhere possible Feb 08 19:43:29 why? Feb 08 19:43:35 I explained it like 25 times now Feb 08 19:43:46 Alex[sp3dev], ok Feb 08 19:44:00 DocScrutinizer, is it because you have to use a data connection to do it? Feb 08 19:44:06 because you have no clue what GSM codec and carrier does to your "encrypted sound" Feb 08 19:44:12 ok Feb 08 19:44:25 DocScrutinizer, even if you modify the modem code? Feb 08 19:44:35 even then Feb 08 19:44:37 ok Feb 08 19:44:47 then he must use data connections Feb 08 19:44:49 carrier audio improvement algo Feb 08 19:44:54 ah ok Feb 08 19:45:03 paulk-desktop: this is what i'm doing now to power it up. will port the svnet by the end of the week, busy at work now https://gitorious.org/i9100-proper-linux/i9100-proper-linux-kernel/blobs/d7f184c76c3341de4d5a6dc23b4b3dd579282f6b/arch/arm/mach-exynos/mach-sgs_i9100.c#line1916 Feb 08 19:46:33 ok Feb 08 19:46:34 you could do what every modem from 2400 to DSL does: probe the channel for some minutes, then find a coding that works on this chan. will result in roughly 1kBd MAX on GSM Feb 08 19:46:40 DocScrutinizer, then I guess cellphones scramblers are something not working and they sell that to people still because they can't verify that it works or not..... Feb 08 19:46:42 GNUtoo: surely you can ask the recipient to send a sample of what it received back to measure effects of gsm codecs? Feb 08 19:46:44 most likely less, with huge dropouts Feb 08 19:47:11 GNUtoo: scrabler != encryption Feb 08 19:47:15 ok Feb 08 19:47:22 scrambler == nonsense Feb 08 19:47:40 ok I guess it's not secure then Feb 08 19:47:54 Abbasi, what about data connection? Feb 08 19:48:02 as secure as two Saxonians talking to each other Feb 08 19:48:09 ok Feb 08 19:48:19 nobody will understand them, excepzt other saxonians Feb 08 19:48:26 lol ok Feb 08 19:48:31 yes I understand Feb 08 19:48:37 they just re-arrange the audio I guess Feb 08 19:48:43 yep Feb 08 19:48:54 @GNUToo well my project is to use the voice channel, well i think it's pretty much impossible.. Feb 08 19:49:17 What about the CSD? Feb 08 19:49:18 it would be so cool if it was possible tough Feb 08 19:49:26 Is it not enough to do real-time sound transfer? Feb 08 19:49:42 I've seen like 50 people and groups tackling that Feb 08 19:49:49 guess why nuttin exists yet Feb 08 19:50:11 hi PaulFertser Feb 08 19:50:29 DocScrutinizer: hey! Long time no see! How're you doing? Feb 08 19:50:38 job sucks Feb 08 19:50:57 So much it hurts? Feb 08 19:51:20 sometimes yeah Feb 08 19:53:06 when I c&p the ~35 module names and labels for a complete build form MSIE to ClearCase, module by module, I think "THIS **SUCKS** so hard!" Feb 08 19:54:13 :(( Feb 08 19:54:37 then I start to muse about scripts in *nix, and even macro recorders for mouse events in wincrap (which again is some nice piece of sw we're not allowed to install on those machines) Feb 08 19:55:49 Have you actually tried to justify your need for a macro recorder? Feb 08 19:56:02 no dice Feb 08 19:56:11 IT is in bangalore or sth Feb 08 19:56:31 So, they do not accept any incoming mail in English? Feb 08 19:56:42 Damn, st-e it in bangalore, omfg Feb 08 19:56:44 you could as well argue with M$ about foss'ing their crap Feb 08 19:57:05 or with Nokia Feb 08 19:57:12 Some crap they do foss. Feb 08 19:57:22 there's no manager ordering that Feb 08 19:57:28 so it's not getting done Feb 08 19:57:29 PaulFertser, CDS is data<->data right? Feb 08 19:58:04 PaulFertser: recebtly I installed cygwin Feb 08 19:58:40 GNUtoo: CSD, right. In theory it should provide the same bandwidth as used by gsm codecs. Feb 08 19:58:53 DocScrutinizer: and what happened? Feb 08 19:58:56 and they already might fire me, for using my own WERTZU-kbd rather than the crappy noisy HP-QWERTY Feb 08 19:59:18 well, cygwin is allowed ;-D Feb 08 19:59:32 I felt like "duh, at home again" Feb 08 19:59:46 At least something :) Feb 08 19:59:52 but I guess it's not easy to run that wincrap under cygwin Feb 08 19:59:53 PaulFertser, ok so data should be recorded->encorded->encrypted->sent<-decrypted<-decoded<-played Feb 08 19:59:59 GNUtoo: yep Feb 08 20:00:04 ok Feb 08 20:00:37 GNUtoo: for incoming CSD some operators require additional contract and probably a dedicated phone number. But it should work nevertheless. Feb 08 20:00:49 ok Feb 08 20:00:51 PaulFertser: (bandwidth) even a lil bit more Feb 08 20:01:09 Anyway EDGE is enough to run SIP-zRTP over that. Feb 08 20:01:22 but yes, that'S the ONLY way to implement secure GSM calls Feb 08 20:01:40 indeed, but only if you got proper network Feb 08 20:02:14 I planned since YEARS to implement ZRTP-SIP on some phones Feb 08 20:02:30 but nobody is willing to port twinkle ;-P Feb 08 20:02:47 ah, it's in twinkle? Feb 08 20:02:52 sure Feb 08 20:02:58 since even more years Feb 08 20:03:21 ok nice Feb 08 20:03:25 afaik twinkle is the only SIP-UA implementing it Feb 08 20:03:43 there is also android-compatible progreams that do that Feb 08 20:04:02 * DocScrutinizer wonders what Micjel deBoer is doing. Hopes he's ok and happy Feb 08 20:04:04 csipsimple Feb 08 20:04:24 what are the deps of twiknle? Feb 08 20:04:33 Qt3 :-( Feb 08 20:04:47 libzrtpcpp Feb 08 20:04:55 or sth liker that Feb 08 20:05:34 www.twinklephone.com Feb 08 20:06:18 download -> prerequisites Feb 08 20:06:54 >> commoncpp2-1.6.1.tar.gz [GNU Common CPP framework] ccrtp-1.6.0.tar.gz [GNU ccRTP] libzrtpcpp-1.3.0.tar.gz [ZRTP extension for GNU ccRTP] (optional) Qt for open source (3.3.0 or later, but not Qt4) libsndfile [WAV file handling] Speex (optional) ilbc library (optional). For Suse you can get the ilbc package with apt. You can build the library yourself from ilbc-rfc3951.tar.gz provided by linphone Boost [C++ libraries] Feb 08 20:08:32 GNUtoo, i downloaded a crespo kernel, it will boot up? Feb 08 20:08:53 angelox|laptop, it won't Feb 08 20:09:01 angelox|laptop, download a crespo rootfs only Feb 08 20:09:30 DocScrutinizer, qt4 has qt3 compatibility option right? Feb 08 20:09:41 I tried that, drove me nuts Feb 08 20:09:42 GNUtoo: and the kernel? i can't build Alex[sp3dev]'s kernel right now... Feb 08 20:10:04 angelox|laptop, ok use the one that ships with your device Feb 08 20:10:10 or the cyanogenmod one Feb 08 20:10:13 it seems the even handling model changed in Qt4 Feb 08 20:10:15 just build the cyanogenmod one Feb 08 20:10:24 twinkle relies on Qt3's event model Feb 08 20:11:02 GNUtoo: and set config to boot up rootfs via uSD? Feb 08 20:11:12 esp Michel used some mutex to lock GUI events against each other, and that causes deadlocks on Qt4 Feb 08 20:11:14 angelox|laptop, yes Feb 08 20:11:25 DocScrutinizer, ah ok Feb 08 20:11:32 GNUtoo: ok, thank you Feb 08 20:11:45 seems twinkle is going to get removed from debian soon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604384 Feb 08 20:12:08 just so much anybody could do against it Feb 08 20:12:33 Michel is not willing to port it to Qt4 (he ever hated the GUI part) Feb 08 20:12:48 and nobody else is interested enough Feb 08 20:13:57 which in fact is a pity, as all the GUI shit is just calling core functions. You could create a central wait loop + dispatcher, and send the GUI events to there as IPC whatever (dbus, whatnot) Feb 08 20:14:22 twinkle core is standalone and always been. still comes with fully functional CLI Feb 08 20:14:39 you could even build it without any GUI Feb 08 20:14:54 why not create a telepathy plugin for it then? Feb 08 20:15:04 nobody interested Feb 08 20:15:06 :-/ Feb 08 20:15:42 :'( Feb 08 20:16:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP#Free_ZRTP_implementation Feb 08 20:16:28 SFLphone also support zrtp Feb 08 20:16:40 twinkle been one of the most useful apps I've ever used (and not at last due to me contributing a lot on the nicer nifty functions, like hooks) Feb 08 20:17:01 ok Feb 08 20:17:05 the problem is how to port it Feb 08 20:17:48 well, you didn't plan to port it to SHR Qt4 anyway, did you :-D Feb 08 20:18:15 mrmoku gave CLI twinkle port a shot, but IIRC failed on one of the libs Feb 08 20:18:37 btw, guys, could i ask you on the aurora status? is it currently possible to build an image with both aurora and the ability to launch stuff like pidgin/player from the launcher? and what window manager is going to be used in future for shr? i think e17 is not very finger-friendly. however, the only alternative is meego UI which is too heavy because of composition Feb 08 20:20:51 meego UI is too heavy *despite* composite (on N900) ;-P Feb 08 20:20:53 Alex[sp3dev], ouch no Feb 08 20:21:04 Alex[sp3dev], aurora is a test app Feb 08 20:21:11 and cannot run foreign software Feb 08 20:21:17 for instance you cannot run navit Feb 08 20:21:25 you have to adapt it to aurora Feb 08 20:21:29