**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 04 02:59:59 2012 Mar 04 20:28:30 dos1, hi Mar 04 20:30:07 GNUtoo: hello Mar 04 20:30:21 dos1, did you get the gta02 usable for you? Mar 04 20:30:32 still no suspend issues? Mar 04 20:30:41 didn't have time for that sound issue yet Mar 04 20:30:57 what sound issue? like when you play a sound during suspend? Mar 04 20:30:57 even aplay doesn't work Mar 04 20:31:02 ah? Mar 04 20:31:05 strange Mar 04 20:31:07 for me it did Mar 04 20:31:11 it worked Mar 04 20:31:14 ok Mar 04 20:31:15 and suddenly it stopped Mar 04 20:31:22 so i guess i broke something Mar 04 20:31:23 did you suspend while playing Mar 04 20:31:23 :D Mar 04 20:31:27 ah right Mar 04 20:31:29 I remember Mar 04 20:31:51 basically I want to know if we keep 39 or we go back to 34 for the release Mar 04 20:31:53 but before that, gta02 was usable for me, yes Mar 04 20:32:14 wow Mar 04 20:32:24 so if we fix the remaining bugs we could ship with 39 Mar 04 21:10:53 oh Mar 04 21:10:54 my Mar 04 21:10:57 fscking Mar 04 21:10:58 $deity Mar 04 21:11:15 [Gta04-owner] what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community? Mar 04 21:11:23 on community@om maillist Mar 04 21:11:33 do you see *that*? ;x Mar 04 21:24:09 no Mar 04 21:24:28 I'm a bit behind with the mails Mar 04 21:24:48 what's wrong with it? Mar 04 22:15:55 GNUtoo: well, he says that he's going to kidnap ex-Openmoko engineers who has access to calypso hw docs and don't share them with community Mar 04 22:16:51 and he repeated that few times and made it crystal clear that he is absolutely not joking Mar 04 22:16:59 ouch Mar 04 22:17:17 he's dangerous :/ Mar 04 22:17:33 he has done that several times in the past too Mar 04 22:17:56 but as far as i recall, not in such obvious way Mar 04 22:18:52 anarchism taken to extremes... sad to see such words being spoken in the name of free software movement Mar 04 22:18:59 I wrote a(public) mail to him Mar 04 22:19:13 dos1: I think he was very clear that he is prepared to break laws and use violence Mar 04 22:19:17 i hope noone will get hurt thanks to him Mar 04 22:19:19 basically I told that ranting pointed nowhere and that he should work on nuttx-bb instead Mar 04 22:19:50 he's not clever enough Mar 04 22:20:07 if you can produce free software that is not attackable in court Mar 04 22:20:19 why not going this road Mar 04 22:20:33 because you're bullet proof and no one can do a thing to you Mar 04 22:20:46 the other road point nowhere Mar 04 22:21:07 lindi-: but well, breaking copyright laws is not as dangerous as threatening people with saying "the hot soldering iron won't get taken out of their rectums until a copy of the ware is in my hands" Mar 04 22:21:47 imagine you can take something illegal(leaked docs) and make it legal? Mar 04 22:22:10 oops Mar 04 22:22:12 I meant Mar 04 22:22:26 imagine you can take something illegal(leaked docs and code) and produce something legal? Mar 04 22:22:36 that's already great Mar 04 22:22:48 so why the hell doen't he participate to nuttx-bb instead Mar 04 22:22:50 dos1: yep but my point is that he was talking about violence already in the past Mar 04 22:22:59 I mean nuttx-bb *do run* on the gta02 Mar 04 22:23:08 I spent hours in the dark to make that possible Mar 04 22:23:21 with someone else who spent hours too Mar 04 22:23:34 in the dark means no output whatever Mar 04 22:23:52 my gsm basestation is still in the mail :) Mar 04 22:23:59 ok lol Mar 04 22:24:16 (two USRP N210 units with the SBX daughterboard Mar 04 22:24:20 wow Mar 04 22:24:21 GNUtoo: and *that's* great and usefull work Mar 04 22:24:33 GNUtoo: but I doubt I have much time to play with that unfortunately Mar 04 22:24:36 ok Mar 04 22:24:37 you did something for community, as well as for yourself Mar 04 22:25:08 this michael sokolov really irritate me Mar 04 22:25:12 *irritates Mar 04 22:25:23 because I spend time etc... on the nuttx-bb thing Mar 04 22:25:36 and people like him wants something illegal instead Mar 04 22:25:38 GNUtoo: nah, better just not pay too much attention to him Mar 04 22:25:42 ok Mar 04 22:26:31 and i'm sure running with soldering iron and yelling "GIVE ME A DOCS OR I'LL KILL YOU" cannot be even compared with your work ;) Mar 04 22:26:42 lol indeed Mar 04 22:27:02 altough he leaked the glamo docs Mar 04 22:27:22 I think that would be much easier to pay the kidnapping gang to steal the firmware from ti than do the kidnapping plan Mar 04 22:27:30 lol Mar 04 22:27:54 but then he wouldn't be able to compile the firmware Mar 04 22:27:57 hence my work Mar 04 22:28:53 and the other guy is who did it with me is named Alan CArvalho de Assis btw Mar 04 22:29:00 he spent a lot of time too Mar 04 22:29:03 ok, so maybe the kidnapping is the more complete plan Mar 04 22:29:50 If I were him I would kidnap some osmocom-bb dev and force him to work on making a full replacement of the calypso firmware Mar 04 22:30:26 since kidnaping costs money maybe sending the money directly to the dev would be better Mar 04 22:30:28 well, it depend if this is cheaper to pay a developper of rthat Mar 04 22:30:36 indeed Mar 04 22:30:44 or to pay someone to keep the developper busy Mar 04 22:30:45 hence what I just say Mar 04 22:31:08 basically he send the money to the dev and it's the same than kidnaping him Mar 04 22:31:13 or he could contract him Mar 04 22:31:28 like the developers works for his own consulting company Mar 04 22:31:36 and he pays for his time Mar 04 22:31:45 depend is mercenary cheaper than consultant or not ? Mar 04 22:32:05 no, with mercenary you have to feed the dev too Mar 04 22:32:13 yep, good point Mar 04 22:32:17 you need a computer for the dev Mar 04 22:32:23 you need to give the dev breaks Mar 04 22:32:26 and you have to pay for more than one mercenary, usually Mar 04 22:32:30 else he don't develop well Mar 04 22:32:33 etc... Mar 04 22:32:52 so basically the best way is to make the dev happy by sending him money Mar 04 22:33:01 and to verify that he uses the money well Mar 04 22:33:30 some devs would want to work on their projects even if they are paid less Mar 04 22:33:45 so if he finds such dev it would be so great Mar 04 22:33:59 but he prefers to respond to violence by violence Mar 04 22:34:14 there was violence in the beginning? Mar 04 22:34:27 I think he feels that his right are violated etc.... Mar 04 22:34:33 oh dear Mar 04 22:34:48 why would he be so violent then Mar 04 22:34:51 ? Mar 04 22:35:42 I think my rights are violated too when I use a BIOS with a rootkit inside, but what do I do? Mar 04 22:35:51 I port coreboot to my desktop mainboard instead Mar 04 22:36:07 because I want coreboot and there is only 2 ways to obtain it: Mar 04 22:36:11 1)I do the port Mar 04 22:36:24 2)I buy something supported or pay some money to get it supported Mar 04 22:36:32 1) was easier Mar 04 22:36:38 so I went for 1) Mar 04 22:37:47 the bios sources woun't have been usefull Mar 04 22:37:53 I wouldn't be able to compile them Mar 04 22:38:01 they would be in assembly Mar 04 22:38:01 http://pastebin.com/yTNgycaq Mar 04 22:38:04 etc... Mar 04 22:38:06 no good Mar 04 22:38:07 any ideas what did i break? :x Mar 04 22:38:08 well, it can help for specific glitche, i think Mar 04 22:38:32 dos1, you play your kernel Mar 04 22:38:33 ? Mar 04 22:38:49 and I think more info is better than less, but that's without others consideration ( like if that's easy to get or not, if that prevent others stuff or not ) Mar 04 22:38:52 the sound of god :D Mar 04 22:38:54 dos1, check asoundrc Mar 04 22:40:05 dos1, do you have a .asoundrc in /home/root? Mar 04 22:40:12 no Mar 04 22:40:25 try to aply /usr/share/sound/female_ringtone.wav to hw:0 Mar 04 22:40:32 aplay -Dhw:0 Mar 04 22:40:43 or /dev/urandom Mar 04 22:41:23 http://pastebin.com/Jr028L1c Mar 04 22:42:06 that's asound.conf: http://pastebin.com/099WwSmn Mar 04 22:42:20 I guess pcm_write:1682 is in the alsa lib Mar 04 22:46:04 dos1, can you do dmesg? Mar 04 22:47:33 [10705.375000] mapped channel 10 to 2 Mar 04 22:47:45 when trying to play something Mar 04 22:47:46 maybe wrong alsamixer config then Mar 04 22:47:53 do you want to fix or to restore? Mar 04 22:48:01 well, possible Mar 04 22:48:07 which one? Mar 04 22:48:11 or both? Mar 04 22:48:12 cause fsodeviced aborts when trying to set config Mar 04 22:48:35 then opkg remove what points to the fsodeviced alsa config Mar 04 22:48:39 then rm the configs Mar 04 22:48:45 because they won't be removed by opkg Mar 04 22:48:50 and reinstall opkg Mar 04 22:48:54 alternatively move them Mar 04 22:49:03 so we understand why after Mar 04 22:49:08 reinstall opkg? Mar 04 22:49:11 because if you rm they are gone for good Mar 04 22:49:19 *reinstall the package with opkg Mar 04 22:49:23 ah :D Mar 04 22:52:28 ok, worked, thanks ;) Mar 04 22:52:34 now i'll diff those configs... Mar 04 22:53:17 indeed Mar 04 22:53:18 +94:'Media Volume':2:255,255 Mar 04 22:53:25 that's all? Mar 04 22:53:37 because that's quite normal Mar 04 22:53:40 and also Mar 04 22:53:42 -3:'Headphone Playback Volume':2:127,127 Mar 04 22:53:43 +3:'Headphone Playback Volume':2:121,121 Mar 04 22:53:45 media volume get created when you play Mar 04 22:53:46 but that was my change Mar 04 22:53:50 and it worked before Mar 04 22:54:10 hmmm Mar 04 22:54:12 no clue Mar 04 22:54:55 now changed to 121 and still works Mar 04 22:55:26 (fsodeviced) Mar 04 22:55:33 strange ;x Mar 04 22:55:48 with 94:'Media Volume':2:255,255 added still works Mar 04 22:55:54 indeed Mar 04 22:55:58 maybe a space Mar 04 22:56:02 or something like that Mar 04 22:56:14 maybe Mar 04 22:56:38 diff doesn't show anything about missing new line nor anything like that Mar 04 22:56:39 I guess it should have worked, so maybe it is a try{} catch{} that is lacking Mar 04 22:56:49 in the plugin's code Mar 04 22:58:57 i should have had saved somewhere the error message ;x Mar 04 22:59:03 as now i can't reproduce it Mar 04 22:59:10 you have: Mar 04 22:59:19 http://pastebin.com/Jr028L1c Mar 04 22:59:27 http://pastebin.com/yTNgycaq Mar 04 22:59:28 but that's alsa thing Mar 04 22:59:28 etc... Mar 04 22:59:37 ahh ok Mar 04 22:59:40 which probably was caused by wrong mixer settings Mar 04 22:59:41 sorry then Mar 04 22:59:44 indeed Mar 04 22:59:45 now i'm talking about fsodeviced Mar 04 22:59:53 yes I understood Mar 04 23:00:03 which should have set correct mixer settings, but aborted instead Mar 04 23:01:57 oh Mar 04 23:02:00 reproduced Mar 04 23:02:02 ok Mar 04 23:02:04 how? Mar 04 23:02:06 after reboot it's aborting again Mar 04 23:02:14 root@om-gta02:~# fsodeviced Mar 04 23:02:16 fsodeviced: control.c:1589: snd_ctl_elem_list_get_id: Assertion `idx < obj->used' failed. Mar 04 23:02:17 Aborted Mar 04 23:02:33 strange I've it on linux-next too Mar 04 23:02:53 and I've other sound issues too Mar 04 23:02:59 but my last 2 patches got merged Mar 04 23:03:04 fortunately Mar 04 23:03:07 after removing 94:'Media Volume':2:255,255 Mar 04 23:03:08 worked Mar 04 23:03:17 because I sent them very early and when I was not very awake Mar 04 23:03:18 so we got a reason! Mar 04 23:03:21 ok Mar 04 23:03:51 fsodeviced shouldn't abort when trying to set non exisiting control ;x Mar 04 23:04:02 it's existing Mar 04 23:04:10 as soon as you play something it exists Mar 04 23:04:12 after first play Mar 04 23:04:21 could you try to try{} catch{} that error? Mar 04 23:04:22 but right after reboot, when fsodeviced starts Mar 04 23:04:23 in vala Mar 04 23:04:27 ok Mar 04 23:04:28 it does not Mar 04 23:04:34 yes I understand Mar 04 23:04:39 i'll do Mar 04 23:04:47 thanks a lot Mar 04 23:05:00 i'll try to get up to date build env tomorrow Mar 04 23:08:26 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 05 02:59:58 2012