**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:59 2012 May 09 05:32:41 Good day all , is ssh server enabled default in qtmoko ? May 09 05:40:05 alabd: yes May 09 05:46:56 pabs3: thanks what's IP of qtmoko ? May 09 05:47:40 alabd: IIRC 192.168.0.200 for the host and 192.168.0.202 for the device May 09 05:47:55 /28 for the network May 09 05:48:08 pabs3: anda my headeset has been paired with qtmoko , but does not connect why ? May 09 05:48:47 I guess you are talking about bluetooth there? never used bluetooth with qtmoko May 09 05:49:06 yes May 09 05:49:37 seems like qtmoko uses the standard Debian bluetooth daemon May 09 06:00:04 pabs3: is qtmoko like shr ? it has repository and all those app are available in it ? May 09 06:07:47 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r5c2e144705ac 10/packages/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/dbus-glib/ (8 files in 8 dirs): packages: Build 201205090755 of shr 20120509 for machine om-gta02 on opmbuild May 09 06:16:19 sorry dc pabs3: is qtmoko like shr ? it has repository and all those app are available in it ? May 09 06:16:56 alabd: QtMoko has a Debian repo, but all the UI stuff inc apps is in one package IIRC May 09 06:17:39 for example wana install navit or terminal on it May 09 06:18:30 it has a terminal already May 09 06:19:11 how about navit May 09 06:19:13 you can install the Debian navit package, but QtMoko doesn't use X11 for most of its UI so you need to separately launch the X server and then launch navit inside that May 09 06:19:37 someone said qtmoko has navit May 09 06:19:40 but in qt May 09 06:20:19 I don't see it in my default install, looking in the more apps thing May 09 06:20:52 how to see list of qtmoko apps May 09 06:21:05 available appps May 09 06:21:11 ah, yep it does: http://qtmoko.sf.net/apps/category-gps.html May 09 06:21:11 not installed only May 09 06:21:20 go into the more apps thing in the applications May 09 06:21:32 it brings up a web browser at http://qtmoko.sf.net/apps/ May 09 06:21:35 anda how to install that navit now May 09 06:22:01 click the install link May 09 06:22:29 no in ssh May 09 06:24:33 manually download the .deb linked to from the install link and install it with "dpkg -i ....deb ; apt-get -f install" May 09 06:25:04 weird the .deb isn't available in the qtmoko apt repository :/ May 09 06:25:12 yes May 09 06:27:04 pabs3: how to see pictures in fr with qtmoko , is there any file manager? May 09 06:28:14 alabd: yes, the default image has "file manager" in the apps May 09 06:28:23 pabs3: after updaing repo , navit is in repo May 09 06:28:45 pabs3: do you know where is ringtones dir ? May 09 06:29:03 no idea May 09 06:29:39 can you pastebin this? apt-cache policy navit? May 09 06:29:44 ? May 09 06:29:55 ok May 09 06:30:28 do you know any source to get free ringtones that has no legal restriction to use on qtmoko May 09 06:31:00 I don't use my fr as a phone so ringtones aren't interesting to me May 09 06:32:02 pabs3: check om for apt-cache policy navit? result May 09 06:33:00 alabd: ringtones are configurable from ui - in settings->rignotnes and profiles May 09 06:33:30 alabd: quite everything should be doable from ui - that's the goal... May 09 06:33:39 radekp: yes but there are only 2 ringtones May 09 06:33:48 radekp: how about importing all of http://qtmoko.sf.net/apps/ into the qtmoko apt repo btw? May 09 06:33:57 pabs3: they are there May 09 06:34:01 one for alarm one simple sound for phone May 09 06:35:00 pabs3: i am quite sure that apt-get update && apt-get install qtmoko-solitaire or whatever will do it May 09 06:35:43 alabd: you have to copy your favourite sounds to /media/card/Documents or /home/root/Documents May 09 06:36:03 alabd: QtMoko should find them and allow you to use them May 09 06:37:02 radekp: where to find a free simple ringtone ? May 09 06:37:04 that has no legal restriction to use on qtmoko May 09 06:37:30 alabd: e.g. android has many ringtones May 09 06:37:40 are they free to use ? May 09 06:37:48 sure, they should be May 09 06:38:04 maybe they should only be used on android ? May 09 06:40:09 no - i dont think they would have such license May 09 06:40:13 e.g. https://github.com/cgjones/android-frameworks-base/tree/gingerbread-b2g/data/sounds May 09 06:40:46 you can check their license there - i guess it will be BSD license as rest of android May 09 06:41:18 radekp: hmm, I guess I am missing something in my sources.list then, I only get the Debian version of navit in apt-cache policy and I can't install apt-get install qtmoko-solitaire (package not found) May 09 06:41:55 pabs3: maybe you have older release which does not have the apps repo? May 09 06:42:09 I have this: http://paste.debian.net/plain/167977 May 09 06:42:58 pabs3: echo "deb http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps /" >> /etc/apt/sources.list May 09 06:43:05 might be a good idea to add a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/qtmoko in the qtmoko package so that updates get applied May 09 06:43:37 pabs3: oki May 09 06:44:44 and move the Debian stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian May 09 06:45:02 radekp: file manager does not show jpg files yes ? May 09 06:45:06 (they need an extension of .list) May 09 06:46:29 alabd: there is application for pictures, you'll probably have to use the app May 09 06:47:35 radekp: do you know it's name May 09 06:48:24 alabd: "Pictures" ? May 09 06:49:00 alabd: you will need the .jpg files also on /media/card/Documents or /home/root/Documents May 09 06:49:23 alabd: that is the default place for all documents... May 09 06:49:29 radekp: have created /media/card/Documents/pics May 09 06:49:36 but which apps can shows them ? May 09 06:49:57 alabd: "Pictures" May 09 06:50:05 ah sorry May 09 06:50:34 alabd: ;-) May 09 06:50:51 radekp: what sound formats are supported in qtmoko May 09 06:51:17 alabd: png and jpg - maybe some others too May 09 06:51:26 alabd: ahh sorry May 09 06:51:27 sounds May 09 06:51:32 ;) May 09 06:51:43 wav, ogg by default mp3 after installing codecs May 09 06:51:56 what are packages ? May 09 06:52:01 for mp3 and ... May 09 06:52:06 codescs May 09 06:52:35 alabd: use the "More apps" icon to install them May 09 06:52:44 alabd: i dont know the name by head May 09 06:52:54 thanks May 09 06:54:52 radekp: hmm, the install link is broken here: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/qtmoko-qtopiagps.html May 09 06:55:09 radekp: how to move between some tabs in qtmoko May 09 06:56:11 pabs3: that app does no longer compile... it needs to be updated... May 09 06:56:27 alabd: AUX button is for application switching May 09 06:56:29 ah May 09 06:56:47 alabd: i am waiting for someone to fix it ;-) May 09 06:56:51 * pabs3 wishes his AUX button wasn't so crappy May 09 06:56:57 pabs3: i am waiting for someone to fix it ;-) May 09 06:57:26 pabs3: you can use POWER too - but after modifying config file May 09 06:57:45 pabs3: i have this enabled on GTA04 - maybe i can do the same for GTA02... May 09 06:57:59 ok May 09 06:58:13 but you'll loose the POWER suspend function May 09 06:58:51 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * r9d2651a42ce1 10/ (145 files in 22 dirs): system upgrade May 09 06:59:16 i wonder how many people are using POWER button for suspend... i am always using the lock button... May 09 06:59:39 I use the power button for suspend most of the time May 09 07:00:05 that bug where it doesn't suspend unless you touch the screen at the right time still happens May 09 07:00:10 radekp: what's its license https://github.com/cgjones/android-frameworks-base/blob/79dd33b406d4caca289682086f6dda24918caf42/data/sounds/ringtones/ANDROMEDA.ogg May 09 07:00:51 alabd: no idea, search yourself, i am not author May 09 07:01:34 isn't there one simple free ringtone in your bookmark May 09 07:04:27 alabd: sorry - i use the default qtmoko ringtone May 09 07:04:57 alabd: maybe i can make package with some free ringtones, but i am currently a bit busy with other work... May 09 07:05:30 alabd: i am pretty sure the android ringtones are perfectly free... May 09 07:11:36 radekp: yes will be thankful becuase its default ringtone is not proper ...but have get some .ogg from the site May 09 07:11:38 for now May 09 07:12:12 "Pictures" app just show pictures in /home/root/Documents May 09 07:12:13 ? May 09 07:12:25 not /home/root/Documents/Pics ? May 09 07:12:48 pabs3: btw if i start using /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ - wont this make mess as existing users will already have same repos in /etc/apt/sources.list? May 09 07:12:58 alabd: it should search both May 09 07:13:18 radekp: right May 09 07:35:46 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r933d5f2b28dd 10/fsodeviced/ (42 files in 42 dirs): fsodeviced: refactor automake configuration May 09 07:35:47 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rd24e28442134 10/ (13 files in 13 dirs): Bump required FSO version of all components to 0.11.0 May 09 07:35:47 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rf661b21fb57a 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/Makefile.am: fsogsmd: lib: don't build not existing storage.c (was removed from source tree before) May 09 07:36:00 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * r138c3f265089 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/lib/fsogsm3rdparty.vapi: May 09 07:36:00 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: lib: sms: use md5 hash of complete pdu as hash for single part SMS messages May 09 07:36:00 freesmartphone.org: Should fix bug #568 May 09 07:36:01 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * rfb60018070fb 10cornucopia/libfsobasics/fsobasics/filehandling.vala: libfsobasics: filehandling: refactor remoteTree method to completely remove a directory structure May 09 07:36:01 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * rd23f74cfdfd5 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/ (18 files in 8 dirs): fsogsmd: lib: complete rework of our sms handler/storage classes May 09 07:36:02 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * r70e50d2098ca 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/plugins/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: plugins: no reimplementation of SmsGetSizeForTextMessage mediator needed May 09 07:36:16 heyho May 09 07:36:26 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * rcea004d435f6 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/lib/sms.vala: fsogsmd: lib: use direct async call rather than being executed when mainloop is idle May 09 07:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * rcf14ca15d564 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/lib/at/ (atcommands.vala atsms.vala): fsogsmd: lib: at: remove SMS messages from SIM after we read them May 09 07:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * r910aea9dc0f8 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fsogsmd: lib: add support for the sms handler to send the ack pdu directly May 09 07:36:27 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07morphis/sms-rework * r9ff28d136445 10cornucopia/fsogsmd/src/lib/at/atsms.vala: fsogsmd: lib: at: don't reimplement SMS removal logic in our SMS handler May 09 07:43:44 morphis: hey May 09 07:43:52 JaMa: heyho May 09 07:44:04 JaMa: I got slyon's mail about palmpre support for SHR May 09 07:44:11 I am fine with dropping support for it May 09 07:44:15 and what do you think? May 09 07:44:19 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r19af7b68daea 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/Makefile.am: May 09 07:44:19 freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsogsmd: lib: don't build not existing storage.c (was removed from source tree before)" May 09 07:44:19 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit f661b21fb57a29abd3d5bc4e542f29fa65525660. May 09 07:44:19 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rafe9816528f8 10/fsogsmd/src/3rdparty/ (Makefile.am storage.c storage.h): May 09 07:44:19 freesmartphone.org: Revert "fsogsmd: 3rdparty: drop unused storage related code from 3rdparty project" May 09 07:44:19 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 80f56dac3efc8c9a255292d92b3c2c59de148085. May 09 07:44:42 ok this is what I said yesterday: May 09 07:44:43 22:31:03 < JaMa> IIRC we decided to not include them in shr-2012.01 announcement May 09 07:44:46 22:31:27 < JaMa> but haven't removed them completely (and I still build them on buildhost.. ) May 09 07:44:49 22:31:52 < JaMa> we even fixed one issue with new make-3.82 in linux-palmpre lately May 09 07:44:52 22:34:03 < slyon> ok. so they are in a somewhat unmaintained state (only fix build issues)... do you think it would benefit us, if we'd drop them completely (quicker builds)? May 09 07:44:56 22:34:40 < JaMa> maybe yes.. I should have dropped them before rebuilding them from scratch now.. May 09 07:44:59 22:34:53 < JaMa> but the rebuild is almost complete now.. so it wont save much May 09 07:45:02 22:35:54 < JaMa> but I can stop doing images for them (just feed) May 09 07:45:12 so now with sysroots already populated it wont save much if I don't build feed for pre May 09 07:45:36 but will save a lot if someone fixes it later and we just build image from feed May 09 07:46:07 so I won't build images (rootfs takes some time) but will continue to build feed (update sysroots) May 09 07:46:31 ok May 09 07:46:48 then let's stop building official images for it May 09 07:47:04 JaMa: btw. I released a new version of some FSO components yesterday May 09 07:47:11 it's only a bugfix release May 09 07:47:29 for supporting building from vala sources instead of using the shipped precompiled c sources May 09 07:47:42 so SHR can update but don't have to May 09 07:51:02 does that need more --enable-vala in EXTRA_OECONF? May 09 07:54:05 only if OE wants to build from vala source May 09 07:54:21 for example debian wants to build from vala directly and not from the shipped c sources May 09 07:54:39 (it's one of their policies to always build from source) May 09 07:55:03 JaMa: and for _git versions --enable-vala is automatically enabled by the configure script May 09 07:55:06 with _git recipes we were building from source to, right? May 09 07:55:10 yes May 09 07:55:33 morphis: that was failing for fsobasics or something IIRC.. May 09 07:55:46 their is a _release variable in the configure scripts which is 0 in master branch and 1 in the release branches May 09 07:55:52 really? May 09 07:56:01 btw. I switched to libnl3 for libfsobasics May 09 07:57:08 morphis: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blobdiff;f=meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/libfsosystem_git.bb;h=9a091ed945859f2ec9d440631186fce9169baaea;hp=28dcc2844b00e6e2983e508f9b3c1fe7d8486513;hb=b2d6ab6347372647791159fd27268bcf878e15f8;hpb=ab0d4d72ec47e61922f65825dc368ec28b4b3f26 May 09 07:57:53 I can find IRC log where we discussed build issue with new libfsosystem revision which lead to this change May 09 07:59:26 as far as I know it should not be needed anymore May 09 07:59:32 otherwise there is a bug May 09 07:59:51 as the _git version should always build from master branch where enable-vala is always on May 09 08:02:55 ok, it was there in SRCREV 264970f6cf6af484764b4e6eb906fee33f535abf, but if it's fixed then someone using fso-autorev should try to remove it :) May 09 08:04:29 JaMa: will try it May 09 08:10:34 JaMa: whats with the libnl3 change May 09 08:10:47 as _0.10.0 requires libnl2 and _git libnl3 May 09 08:12:10 JaMa: should be add a PREFERRED_VERSION to fso-autorev? May 09 08:13:03 yes looks like best solution for now May 09 08:13:18 ok May 09 08:13:45 just to be sure, libnl3 switch is in _git and planed for 0.11, not in new 0.10.2 right? May 09 08:17:02 yes May 09 08:17:06 it's part of 0.11 May 09 09:10:55 JaMa: PREFERRED_VERSION_libnl = "3%" seems to be overlapped by SHRs preferred version May 09 09:14:55 where do you include fso-autorev? May 09 09:15:03 local.conf? May 09 09:15:44 try to change it to PREFERRED_VERSION_libnl_local = "3%" May 09 09:16:26 try to change it to PREFERRED_VERSION_libnl_:forcevariable = "3%" May 09 09:16:29 without : :) May 09 09:16:44 ok May 09 10:00:19 JaMa: ok, that seems to work May 09 10:06:48 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r6f73bd8f5165 10/meta-fso/conf/distro/include/fso-autorev.inc: meta-fso: conf: fso-autorev.inc: prefer version 3.x.x of libnl May 09 10:06:58 SHR: 03morphis 07meta-smartphone * r64f4ba67e049 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/cornucopia/libfsosystem.inc: meta-fso: cornucopia: libfsosystem: don't build with --enable-vala configure option May 09 10:45:28 morphis: hi May 09 10:45:36 morphis: sorry, was busy yesterday May 09 10:59:39 mickey_office: hey :) May 09 10:59:45 hi PaulFertser ! May 09 11:00:21 mickey_office: i wonder if you are able to somehow kick Sean into action ;) it really is enough of delays already... May 09 11:00:59 mickey_office: how's your life going, you're somewhat silent here lately? May 09 11:03:14 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rdc73d8c6471a 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_nokia_isi/plugin.vala: (log message trimmed) May 09 11:03:14 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_nokia_isi: mixing kernel network interface with netlink interface does not work May 09 11:03:14 freesmartphone.org: /usr/include/net/if.h:45:5: error: expected identifier before numeric constant May 09 11:03:14 freesmartphone.org: /usr/include/net/if.h:112:8: error: redefinition of 'struct ifmap' May 09 11:03:15 freesmartphone.org: /usr/include/linux/if.h:137:8: note: originally defined here May 09 11:03:15 freesmartphone.org: /usr/include/net/if.h:127:8: error: redefinition of 'struct ifreq' May 09 11:03:16 freesmartphone.org: /usr/include/linux/if.h:171:8: note: originally defined here May 09 11:26:56 radekp: ping May 09 11:27:28 where is wifi connector app in Qtmoko ? May 09 11:27:55 alabd: Setting->Internet May 09 11:28:46 alabd: you have to activate the context menu and select "New" and "Wireless LAN" May 09 11:39:13 radekp: have installed navit but it's not in app list ? May 09 11:42:38 radekp: can't it find wifi network that is available ? May 09 11:43:53 alabd: about the navit: have you used the "More apps" icon to install it? May 09 11:44:17 radekp: no have installed it apt-get install app May 09 11:44:27 alabd: the wifi should say "Searching for networks" and you should see nearby networks then May 09 11:44:38 alabd: use the "More apps" icon then May 09 11:45:13 alabd: you probably have navit for X11, but we need special version compiled for Qt/Framebuffer (QtMoko does not use X11) May 09 11:46:23 radekp: nice it found Wirelesss LAN Offline ...how to use it ? May 09 11:46:38 ah solved May 09 11:46:59 so should apt-get remove navit again May 09 11:48:40 anda it shows my home wifi network but when hi connect button it can't open password box ? May 09 11:49:21 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r23305acc0e55 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/3rdparty/ffalarms_git.bb: ffalarms: run dbus reload only on target, not during do_rootfs May 09 11:49:57 alabd: the UI is a bit weird, you have to go into the Wireless LAN > Properties > Wireless security to set a password May 09 11:50:50 pabs3: ah nice thanks alot May 09 11:51:35 radekp: does QtMoko support WPA2 CCMP PSK? I haven't been able to connect May 09 11:52:50 pabs3: does it work if you can wpa_supplicant manually? May 09 11:54:30 pabs3: alabd: protected wifi is currently broken - it always forgets the password, it's fixed in git, but will be in v45 May 09 11:54:51 How to change size of keys of terminal keyout ? May 09 11:54:56 wana make them bigger May 09 11:55:00 they are small May 09 11:55:01 pabs3: i am using WPA2 PSK with AES and it works here... May 09 11:55:32 alabd: there is new keyboard with big keys in git, will be also in v45 May 09 11:55:39 moo May 09 11:55:54 mickey_office: hi! :-D May 09 11:56:30 radekp: you mean should upgrade qtmoko now May 09 11:56:44 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r02403a29868d 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-bsp/qi/ (files/init.bootchart-lite.patch qi-bootchart_git.bb): qi-bootchart: add qi varinant with init set to bootchart-lite May 09 11:56:49 alabd: you have to wait some days until it's finished :( May 09 11:56:59 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r3522b10d01f9 10/meta-openmoko/recipes-bsp/qi/ (files/debug.patch qi-debug_git.bb): qi-debug: add qi variant which passes user_debug=-1 May 09 11:57:20 alabd: the keyboard will look like this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/56fc64d5c8809d6820cb7060536c6c1b.png May 09 11:57:28 radekp: yes , will they be added in updates or distro version should be upgraded ? May 09 11:57:30 alabd: or this http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/028539d94d73cb72e3764cf856d75e20.png May 09 11:57:36 radekp: aha, I had to select AES May 09 11:58:09 alabd: i think apt-get update && apt-get uprade will do it when v45 is ready May 09 11:58:14 pabs3: nice May 09 11:58:42 radekp: yes that will upgrade whole OS , but it was better there was updates for this version ... May 09 11:59:53 radekp: does QTmoko use illum ? May 09 12:00:23 alabd: you can download v45 .deb and install it manually then, but it think update && upgrade is recommended way May 09 12:00:35 alabd: what is illum? May 09 12:00:46 illume May 09 12:01:27 alabd: you seem to be using a different distro every week :) May 09 12:02:14 apt-get upgrade will download whole os ...it was better there wa choice that could only update keyboard or any apps .. May 09 12:02:37 lindi-: yes :P android , shr , debian, qtmoko May 09 12:02:51 of course coould not install debian beside shr on one uSD card May 09 12:02:54 alabd: afaik you can not upgrade qtmoko applications using apt-get May 09 12:03:13 seems so May 09 12:03:14 yes May 09 12:03:20 because they are in /opt May 09 12:03:27 and not part of any package May 09 12:03:53 lindi-: they are properly packaged May 09 12:04:09 but really qtmoko seems better than all for phone ... May 09 12:05:10 lindi-: "core" apps are all in one package, but they are definitely built from sources and packaged in .deb May 09 12:06:05 radekp: yep May 09 12:06:51 lindi-: but anyway it makes no sence to upgrade just one single app - you can easily break the system that way May 09 12:07:10 radekp: yeah May 09 12:07:22 unless you are bisecting to find a bug May 09 12:08:48 radekp: where are keyboard layout files ? May 09 12:10:02 usr/lib/enlightenment/ qtmoko does not have such dir May 09 12:10:22 alabd: the terminal keyboard has IIRC the layout hardcoded, the fingerkeyboard has configurable layouts May 09 12:10:40 radekp: where is it ? dir ? May 09 12:11:20 alabd: check this package: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/qtmoko-keyboard-russian-abc_1-1_all.deb May 09 12:11:46 alabd: you should see if after unpacking it May 09 12:12:53 radekp: it contains .kbd files ? May 09 12:13:05 wana create persian layout May 09 12:13:24 alabd: no idea - it's not my work.. May 09 12:13:52 TAsn: Hi , do you know layout structure in Qtmoko May 09 12:16:37 radekp: how do you search your apps in http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/app May 09 12:17:58 alabd: you have got categories and tags there... May 09 12:18:48 yes but how to search keywords ...seems only can use google May 09 12:20:19 radekp: do you know why apt-get update ign http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/ repo ? May 09 12:21:24 alabd: does it? May 09 12:22:02 alabd: i would try, but i am busy with other work... May 09 12:22:31 and why debian repo are in sources.list in default ? May 09 12:23:29 alabd: QtMoko is based on Debian and uses some packages from there May 09 12:24:08 but what will it when 2 same package are on both qtmoko and debian repo ? May 09 12:24:25 will use the first repo listed in sources.list ? May 09 12:24:59 radekp: do you know what does qtmoko use instead of enlighment May 09 12:26:08 alabd: depends on what priorities were configured for the different repos. for an example run apt-cache policy navit May 09 12:26:35 alabd: it has its own UI, derived from the old Qtopia/Greenphone project May 09 12:27:15 what's it's name May 09 12:27:21 alabd: qtmoko and debian have no same packages - qtmoko is more like another application in debian May 09 12:27:26 QtMoko I guess May 09 12:27:50 no there is no such thing in /usr/lib pabs3 May 09 12:27:58 alabd: if we put a lot of effort in it qtmoko can be part of debian May 09 12:28:03 radekp: navit is one those packages May 09 12:28:37 alabd: navit and qtmoko-navit are different packages May 09 12:28:43 /usr/lib? May 09 12:29:09 radekp: meants they are inherently the same May 09 12:29:13 alabd: it's similar e.g. to vim-basic and vim-gtk or whatever it's called May 09 12:29:23 pabs3: yes or example shr has usr/lib/englightment May 09 12:29:46 * pabs3 gets confiused May 09 12:29:59 alabd: they use same source code - but they are built with different configure options and libs May 09 12:30:06 they are both inherently same softwares May 09 12:30:19 is it problem? May 09 12:30:48 no if user be aware ... May 09 12:32:57 check e.g. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vim May 09 12:33:09 same software packaged 10 times May 09 12:34:56 radekp: changin tabs with aux button will be fixed in v45 ? May 09 12:37:28 you said you are waiting for someone to fix it , wishes someone do it May 09 12:37:49 radekp: pabs3 lindi- thanks allah bless you May 09 12:38:29 alabd: you mean switching applications with AUX button? May 09 12:38:43 yes tabs ... May 09 12:39:27 alabd: no probs, may his noodly appendage touch you May 09 12:39:58 alabd: no allah for me please :) May 09 12:44:48 pabs3: there is wireless security , there is wireless encryption May 09 12:45:05 Wireless LAN > Properties > Wireless encryption May 09 12:45:48 thats the one May 09 12:46:07 radekp: how do you use WPA2 PSK with AES and it work , while protected wifi is currently broken ? you use v45 ? May 09 12:47:53 * pabs3 guesses enter the password before every connection May 09 12:48:45 alabd: i have open wifi network at home and i am using the development version so it works here... May 09 12:50:15 radekp: anda bt headset connection disconnects in a period of time , why ? May 09 12:51:06 alabd: hmm no idea, maybe there is something in log when you enable "bluetooth" log category May 09 12:58:16 dos1: could you please update that download image thingy to show shr-2012.01 release? May 09 12:59:01 dos1: and on my desktop it wasn't showing one of the fonts.. so it was completely unusable :/ May 09 12:59:50 JaMa: you mean, shr-core has now something newer than shr-2012.01? May 09 13:00:02 radekp: this keyboard filled whole screeen http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/56fc64d5c8809d6820cb7060536c6c1b.png May 09 13:00:34 shr-core dir points to next release shr-2012.07 May 09 13:01:22 ok May 09 13:01:25 dos1: don't know where shr-core in jQuery points May 09 13:01:37 JaMa: hi , shr stable renamed to shr core? May 09 13:01:42 JaMa: AFAIK to shr-core dir May 09 13:01:46 AFAIR* ;D May 09 13:02:20 dos1: yes it is May 09 13:02:28 so it's not shr-2012.01 May 09 13:02:54 it should be new option anyway as shr-core is not the same as shr-core-staging too May 09 13:03:20 alabd: what do you mean by "shr stable"? May 09 13:03:38 alabd: there is only shr-testing, shr-unstable, shr-core May 09 13:03:45 2 years ago , there was no shr core iirc May 09 13:03:58 and shr-2012.01 is first release from shr-core, and shr-core-staging is just staging for shr-core May 09 13:05:39 JaMa: so how should it look like? May 09 13:05:50 is shr-2012.07 supposed to be downloadable from this wizarD? May 09 13:06:58 shr-2012.01 first May 09 13:07:01 shr-core May 09 13:07:04 shr-core-staging May 09 13:07:07 shr-unstable May 09 13:07:27 shr-2012.07 should be imho hidden behing shr-core until it's released May 09 13:07:59 but you can say that in shr-core description May 09 13:09:45 and some people are still using shr-testing.. not sure how they found it :) May 09 13:09:57 probably did download it in 2010 before this wizard :) May 09 13:53:19 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r8f632e698a71 10/packages/ (540 files in 540 dirs): packages: Build 201205090842 of shr 20120509 for machine om-gta02 on opmbuild May 09 15:03:34 mrmoku`, hi May 09 15:26:18 PaulFertser: kicking sean to do what? (not that i would still have much contact with him, but anyways) May 09 15:28:31 PaulFertser: (silent) yeah, i completely underestimated what it takes to raise a child… especially during the first months / years. Lara Marie is a bad sleeper, she still wakes up every 2 hours, which makes us barely survive the day without any extra activities… so, right now she basically killed most of my FOSS activities. While i'm sure this will improve, i have no outlook for when :) May 09 15:37:39 ok May 09 15:38:41 shr has 1 fedup dev left....he will only commit to meta-smatphone now May 09 15:38:59 and one dev too for fso May 09 15:41:27 ill go bye May 09 16:06:31 mickey_office: (sean) it's about server/infra issues May 09 16:06:57 mickey_office: particularly docs. and svn. being down/unreacable May 09 16:07:23 you got a mail reagrding that, from PaulFertser May 09 16:07:26 ok, so you want Sean to agree to moving the administration to somewhere else May 09 16:08:07 i can write Sean another mail wrt. that, but note that we didn't have much contact for a while, so I'm not sure whether this will speed up things May 09 16:08:29 I'm not sure what's the (best) plan to move on, I'd guess as soon as Sean is enabling Roh/Gismo to do their job, things will normalize May 09 16:10:32 mickey_office: it's a major PITA the hw is up and running, bit AIUI there happened some blocking due to some of the vservers got rooted and abused for spamming, and now Hetzner needs some letter of intent or sth signed by server owner, which is Sean May 09 16:10:42 ...to unlock May 09 16:10:57 ah, interesting. did i overlook that bit in the mail? May 09 16:11:16 because if that's all necessary, it shouldn't take Sean to long to do something about it :) May 09 16:11:19 nah, that's AIUI info collected from Roh et al May 09 16:11:55 mickey_office: (child) i thought you had enough of experience, i bet you thought that too :) May 09 16:12:12 Roh is acting a bit obscure, so I'm not entirely able to wrap my head around what's going on May 09 16:12:34 Sean is acting even more obscure May 09 16:12:39 LOL May 09 16:12:50 Sean is simply not re-acting at all May 09 16:12:58 PaulFertser: *nod* May 09 16:13:45 mickey_office: seems there's a part of community thinking about a server move, but I don't see how that helps the issue May 09 16:14:31 mickey_office: wishing you best of luck and enough energy in this tough but (as far as i can imagine) very rewarding endeavour :) May 09 16:15:06 as long as Sean is paying the server bills, I don't see any necessity to move servers to somewhere else May 09 16:15:12 PaulFertser: thanks a lot. it is indeed very rewarding. although being exhausted, i can't imagine how life would be without her. May 09 16:15:35 sure it would be nice to find some proxy/assistant/co-admin for Roh and Gismo May 09 16:15:53 (server) i think the best way to move forward would be to move admin-c and tech-c for *.org to someone else. May 09 16:16:05 yep May 09 16:16:19 I'd appreciate you'd take that burden May 09 16:16:20 that someone can then legalize any KK efforts or whatever, _if_ we want the servers or the content moved May 09 16:16:52 seems to me you're still more available than Sean and even Harald May 09 16:17:13 heh… no orders of a magnitude there May 09 16:17:19 i'll think about it and talk with the guys May 09 16:17:25 need to move homewards now May 09 16:17:26 cu later May 09 16:17:40 c u, and thanks! :) May 09 16:21:24 oh, and btw it would probably be extremely helpful to fund some days of work so Roh/Gismo could do the needed update/migration fulltime May 09 16:22:30 I don't think just transferring admin task to somebody entirely new to the issue, without Roh/Gismo helping would do any good at all May 09 16:24:15 anyway the idea on ML, to just dump the whole pile of mess to some organisation that actually just offered hosting but NOT administration will pan out May 09 16:29:56 so >> The way I see it, freeing the community from the burden of administering infrastructure can only be a good thing.<< == wrong approach. The community will need to care about administration, as nobody will do for us, unless we pay somebody to do it. May 09 16:30:24 for now community == Roh May 09 17:01:45 I already challenged this definition of "community" before, in this very channel. I won't go into that again. I just remark it's maybe a 'lost in translation' problem, or simply a different socialization that causes differing notions about what'S "the community". At least that's my only idea how the above statement makes any sense, regarding where Bob Ham came from May 09 18:47:49 albertD, nope May 09 18:47:54 albertD, oops, sorry. 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