**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 09 02:59:58 2012 Jul 09 04:11:35 @ Gnutoo: could this be related to n900 audio quality in shr? Jul 09 04:12:45 forgot link, lol: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1130191/ Jul 09 11:17:08 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rc0a0dc21d21f 10/ (121 files in 16 dirs): system upgrade Jul 09 11:17:19 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-chroot * rb6875051b44b 10/ (721 files in 62 dirs): system upgrade Jul 09 13:43:19 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * re5a2455cd72f 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_samsung/channel.vala: fsogsmd: modem_samsung: log messages from libsamsung-ipc only in debug level Jul 09 13:43:20 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r58623aa463d4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/herring_quirks/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: herring_quirks: enable ALSA stream keeper only when config option is set Jul 09 14:29:03 JaMa: ping Jul 09 14:29:14 pong Jul 09 14:35:43 JaMa: I am playing a little bit with elsa right now Jul 09 14:35:52 but ending up with a black display Jul 09 14:36:03 enlightenment doesn't start up Jul 09 14:36:25 is there something more to do than pulling elsa into the image? Jul 09 14:38:18 something like http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=commit;h=f82893e96bed75b1b84b50f6f360de932e1c241f Jul 09 14:39:03 and which peace is telling elsa which window manager to start? Jul 09 14:40:13 it starts default Xsession Jul 09 14:41:18 but be aware there were still issues with elsa last time I've tried it Jul 09 14:41:38 which kind of issues? Jul 09 14:41:46 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob;f=meta-shr/recipes-efl/efl/elsa/elsa.conf;h=c231d43e1d7593d4a710cabd520d7f1025e8ef47;hb=HEAD Jul 09 14:43:01 ah we're still login as root Jul 09 14:43:06 don't remember them all, first it was segfaulting without pam then wrong scale and then something else Jul 09 14:43:16 ok Jul 09 14:43:19 yes we've tried it only in autologin mode for root Jul 09 14:43:24 as replacement for nodm-init Jul 09 14:43:26 so it looks like a unfinished thing Jul 09 14:43:35 you thought about lightdm? Jul 09 14:43:44 not really Jul 09 14:43:59 ok, should worth a try too Jul 09 14:44:33 do you believe that different user for X is only thing missing for rootless session? Jul 09 14:45:07 no Jul 09 14:45:11 there is more Jul 09 14:45:40 ok, because I have Xuser pretty low prio on todo list because of those other issues with rootless Jul 09 14:45:57 ok, but you're still working on this? Jul 09 14:46:23 no, not really Jul 09 14:46:28 ok Jul 09 14:57:38 JaMa: ok, new image build + copied on device Jul 09 14:57:43 elsa is running and X too Jul 09 14:57:46 but no enlightenment Jul 09 14:58:22 try to start it from xinitrc Jul 09 14:58:33 http://pastie.org/4226153 Jul 09 14:59:54 sorry gtg.. Jul 09 16:18:31 hi Jul 09 19:41:34 radekp_: btw, since i started using SHR's 2.6.39 with sd clock set to 10000 i'm somewhat happy again about my gta02. Jul 09 19:42:45 PaulFertser: but suspend does not work with 2.6.39 reliably? Jul 09 19:43:35 lindi-: for it works "as reliably" as with 2.6.29 andy-tracking, but of course i can not make any real statement about that. Jul 09 19:44:17 PaulFertser: hmm i wonder if i should add sd clock parameter as default for qtmoko? Jul 09 19:44:57 PaulFertser: can you try step 9) from http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/debugging-2-6-39-suspend-issue-s-using-crashdumps-td7225025.html Jul 09 19:45:08 PaulFertser: it shoud crash in under an hour Jul 09 19:51:24 lindi-: ok. BTW, that mailing list letter i even "advertised" through my "micro-blog", it really impressed me. Jul 09 19:51:34 radekp_: JaMa|Off should know more about it. Jul 09 19:52:45 lindi-: i think i should unload platform_battery driver before doing that test, no? Jul 09 19:53:04 PaulFertser: maybe? why do you use platform_battery? Jul 09 19:53:23 lindi-: to know an estimate of the charge left, as i'm using a nokia battery. Jul 09 19:53:30 PaulFertser: oh Jul 09 19:53:36 I still have openmoko batteries fortunately Jul 09 19:53:59 lindi-: why were you using it? Jul 09 19:54:26 I mean platform_battery Jul 09 19:54:41 PaulFertser: I think because SHR used it and I wanted to use the same config Jul 09 19:54:46 Ah, i see. Jul 09 19:55:08 now I have both as modules Jul 09 19:55:29 but I can't go to 2.6.39 because of these suspend issues and I don't at the moment have time to debug this further Jul 09 20:10:20 paulk-desktop: hi Jul 09 20:58:16 hmmm Jul 09 20:58:20 crespo still crashes Jul 09 20:59:23 ah it seem that it finally registered after many crashes Jul 09 21:06:22 moin Jul 09 21:06:41 anyone tried to write a rSAP plugin for FSO? Jul 09 21:07:06 what's that? Jul 09 21:07:23 remote SIM access Protocol Jul 09 21:08:04 does it has something to do with the sim toolkit? Jul 09 21:08:11 or is it the raw sim reading? Jul 09 21:09:46 I need to read more details Jul 09 21:10:00 you have a freerunner? Jul 09 21:10:10 but I actually bought the counter part on saturday Jul 09 21:10:29 yes. but I want to use samsung galaxy nexus Jul 09 21:10:37 ok Jul 09 21:10:48 because freerunner is compatible with osmocombb Jul 09 21:10:55 so you have full sim access Jul 09 21:11:06 but in another hand it's unusable as daily phone Jul 09 21:11:16 becuase with osmocombb you cannot suspend Jul 09 21:11:20 I don't think you need low level access Jul 09 21:11:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29 Jul 09 21:11:31 and it's also not integrated within fso Jul 09 21:11:46 else ask morphis Jul 09 21:12:09 playya, abuot fso and galaxy nexus Alex[sp3dev] is working on it Jul 09 21:12:50 playya, morphis was working on a bluetooth thing Jul 09 21:12:54 for cars Jul 09 21:12:59 I don't think it was SAP tough Jul 09 21:13:10 it was HFP Jul 09 21:14:51 ok Jul 09 21:16:04 playya, do you plan to integrate galaxy nexus in SHR? Jul 09 21:16:16 yes. Jul 09 21:16:20 if so I may be able to help if I buy one Jul 09 21:16:24 ok nice Jul 09 21:16:36 libsamsung-ipc support for it has already started Jul 09 21:16:54 I don't have much spare time, but I want to do some FSO/SHR work again Jul 09 21:17:00 ok Jul 09 21:18:01 are you using the crespo branches for maguro development? Jul 09 21:18:17 I don't have maguro yet Jul 09 21:18:27 I'll probably buy it soon for replicant anyway Jul 09 21:19:10 hehe Jul 09 21:19:39 i have galaxy S3 and nokia n9 on my wishlist Jul 09 21:19:56 and chumby 8, raspberry, ... Jul 09 21:20:16 ah ok Jul 09 21:20:38 and one of the new pandabords Jul 09 21:20:46 that's a lot Jul 09 21:20:50 for your limited time Jul 09 21:23:16 yes :/ Jul 09 21:23:42 altough once galaxy nexus is done Jul 09 21:23:47 but IIRC the new pandaboards won't be released this year Jul 09 21:23:50 you could get a galaxy S3 Jul 09 21:24:08 the n9 has 2.6.32 Jul 09 21:24:17 does the git fetcher support https? Jul 09 21:24:30 no idea Jul 09 21:24:34 why? Jul 09 21:24:45 nexes uses 3.0.31 for android 4.1 Jul 09 21:24:58 yes that's better than n9 Jul 09 21:25:06 the original git URL uses https Jul 09 21:25:20 ok Jul 09 21:25:29 anyway you'll probably need to push it to the fso git Jul 09 21:25:52 here's the why: Jul 09 21:25:59 1) you'll probably have to modify it Jul 09 21:26:07 2) an unique git is better Jul 09 21:26:27 because that way you get only one huge git in your sources dir Jul 09 21:26:33 instead of tons of huge git Jul 09 21:26:40 yes Jul 09 21:26:58 I just want to do one build first Jul 09 21:28:58 ok Jul 09 21:29:00 then just try Jul 09 21:29:51 and the I need to know how to create an empty git branch Jul 09 21:30:11 ah? Jul 09 21:30:16 why? Jul 09 21:30:22 an empty commit won't work? Jul 09 21:31:47 don't know yet Jul 09 21:31:53 playya, also are you going to work on it until it work or are you going to abandon the work before it's done or usable? Jul 09 21:32:14 depends on day work Jul 09 21:32:16 because it is a huge problem with SHR Jul 09 21:32:25 yes. I know Jul 09 21:32:32 people are attracted by shiny new devices Jul 09 21:32:44 they start working on it hard and fast Jul 09 21:32:56 then it doesn't get supported fast enough Jul 09 21:33:02 so they abandon Jul 09 21:33:15 and that means that the device get dropped usually Jul 09 21:33:35 which means that the work on it was almost usless Jul 09 21:33:54 I had a lot of work the last weeks. There's still some work to do and the follow-up-project is already planned Jul 09 21:34:04 ok Jul 09 21:34:56 but there're 2 weeks of holidays in between :) Jul 09 21:35:00 altough if you're lucky enough it could work in time: Jul 09 21:35:15 * libsamsung-ipc is there Jul 09 21:35:22 * the samsung plugin for fsogsmd is there Jul 09 21:35:32 * crespo has already some form of support Jul 09 21:35:37 it worked better before tough Jul 09 21:35:47 yes. I need to ask alex for the state of libsamsung-ipc for maguro Jul 09 21:35:49 (we had sound during phone calls etc...) Jul 09 21:36:02 playya, also ask paulk Jul 09 21:36:12 ok. Jul 09 21:38:09 also you may want to describe the hardware in an fso page Jul 09 21:38:16 like for instance what's the wifi chip? Jul 09 21:38:20 what driver supports it Jul 09 22:02:29 is there any mechanism to load modules on android? because everything is compiled into the kernel. Jul 09 22:03:07 system("insmod /system/lib/modules/ntfs.ko") or like that Jul 09 22:05:52 GNUtoo-desktop: so you want to get yet another device? Jul 09 22:06:06 I will try not to Jul 09 22:06:17 but replicant needs to be ported on newer devices Jul 09 22:06:36 well, galaxy nexus is a bad device in terms of freedom Jul 09 22:06:43 why? Jul 09 22:06:49 I tought it was very good Jul 09 22:07:17 first off, there's the signed xloader. next, camera is accessed via the TILER interface and is fully implemented by a firmware on the cortex M3 core Jul 09 22:07:22 I tought modem<->SOC was done trough High speed serial Jul 09 22:07:52 yes, modem <> SOC part is ok Jul 09 22:08:03 camera is a big concern Jul 09 22:08:09 what about microphone? Jul 09 22:08:18 btw, I've fixed pinmux in uboot (yet another time) and now in-call audio works with uboot Jul 09 22:09:04 ok Jul 09 22:09:24 right now I'm fighting with audio on crespo Jul 09 22:10:19 btw, I've spent some time trying to get jtag working on panda but our jlink clone didn't work. olimex usb tiny worked fine with openocd. Jul 09 22:10:29 ok Jul 09 22:10:36 I've openmoko debug board as jtag Jul 09 22:11:39 basically audio stops as soon as it tries to play something Jul 09 22:11:42 like that: Jul 09 22:11:43 A: 0.0 (00.0) of 6.9 (06.8) ??,?% Jul 09 22:11:47 in mplayer Jul 09 22:11:53 now I wonder. I don't really think reversing GPS is a doable short-term goal. My plan is to write a daemon to load the gps library and write a fake library talking to the daemon. The idea is that bad blobs must not get loaded into system_server and run as root Jul 09 22:12:14 ok Jul 09 22:12:38 GNUtoo-desktop: try flipping switches in alsa. Had the same problem on S2. It is strange, but exynos won't play audio in some cases if it is disabled by codec Jul 09 22:13:30 hmmm that trick doesn't work anymore Jul 09 22:13:45 I've tried with S5P_INTERNAL_DMA too and still nothing Jul 09 22:13:53 usually it ran without S5P_INTERNAL_DMA Jul 09 22:13:58 also we (me or paulk) will probably need to write gps support for libsamsung-ipc to activate gps on s2/galaxy nexus Jul 09 22:14:38 I was planning to do it today but was fixing uboot and setting up git instead Jul 09 22:16:58 so, the status for galaxy nexus is: data, sms and voice calls work. ussd is broken for ucs2. gps blob needs a callback from ril. nfc blob works. on s2, libsamsung-ril-client is unimplemented so no sound Jul 09 22:18:32 Alex[sp3dev], do you know a better consumer phone than the galaxy nexus privacy wise? Jul 09 22:19:18 2) do you have another idea for the sound? Jul 09 22:19:30 maybe I should go play some soud under replicant and reboot? Jul 09 22:19:59 GNUtoo-desktop: galaxy s2 should be the same. Privacy-wise most omap devices (except CDMA) should be fine. I just warn against them because of signed xloader. Especially on motorola phones where kexec is the only way out Jul 09 22:20:27 motorolla was awfull Jul 09 22:20:44 I heard that it was bought by google Jul 09 22:20:50 maybe it will become better Jul 09 22:21:55 what omap devices are there beside the galaxy nexus? Jul 09 22:22:53 the S3 Jul 09 22:23:08 cool feature: mirror link Jul 09 22:23:34 what's that? Jul 09 22:23:51 imho the MHL ++ Jul 09 22:24:15 Samsung Exynos 4 Quad or, Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 MSM8960 (NA and JP versions) Jul 09 22:24:18 not an OMAP Jul 09 22:24:23 tegra2/3 are nice SoC but there's no v4l2 camera and no fb in vanilla. omap4 (galaxy s2 i9100G, lg optimus 3D) and exynos are well supported. afaik lg optimus 3d (2011 phone) even had v4l2 camera. Well, I personally use a phone as a PDA so modem memory access is not a huge concern for me. I wouldn't trust closed hardware anyway. Position-tracked by a phone is not always bad. In fact the only reason I have a phone with a s Jul 09 22:24:45 forward your display over network with special input protocol and some convinience stuff for automotive insdustries Jul 09 22:26:00 Alex[sp3dev], I'm just reading the maguro board file. is there a mirror of your kernel? Jul 09 22:26:14 GNUtoo-desktop: in case you didn't know, there's a site pdadb.net where you can qurery phones based on various criteria Jul 09 22:26:42 playya: we're using a stock cm9 kernel. Well, the only change is enabling force framebuffer reinit in kernel config. no changes to C code so far Jul 09 22:26:44 ah that website Jul 09 22:26:50 I didn't know you could querry it Jul 09 22:27:16 not query with a raw sql, but there's advanced search page Jul 09 22:27:29 ok. I just added the jelly beans repository in my local meta-samsung Jul 09 22:27:38 ok but my qyerry are rather: Jul 09 22:27:43 v4l2 compatible Jul 09 22:27:44 playya: is JB src released? Jul 09 22:27:49 and such stuff Jul 09 22:28:11 branch: android-omap-tuna-3.0-jb-pre1 Jul 09 22:28:23 ok Jul 09 22:28:46 GNUtoo-desktop: one thing why I hate nexus and love s2 is that nexus has a pentile display Jul 09 22:29:06 ? Jul 09 22:29:09 like galaxy note? Jul 09 22:29:50 like even nexus s and nokia n9. everything except green looks like an old newspaper with a chess-like pattern Jul 09 22:31:38 ugly include hack: #include <../../../drivers/staging/android/timed_output.h> Jul 09 22:31:59 playya: anything android is an ugly hack Jul 09 22:32:20 playya, you're lucky not to have htc devices....it's way worse there Jul 09 22:32:31 s/htc/qualcomm/ Jul 09 22:32:33 GNUtoo-desktop meant: playya, you're lucky not to have qualcomm devices....it's way worse there Jul 09 22:33:17 I have different favorite (or two), but I cannot blame the in public Jul 09 22:34:40 Alex[sp3dev], everything in the board files looks like it's derived from panda board. Jul 09 22:35:26 playya: why would anyone reinvent the wheel if TI reference design suits them? Jul 09 22:35:55 indeed even gta04 is derived from beagleboard Jul 09 22:36:34 pandaboard isn't really clean code and if you're a TI customer you have to in some cases Jul 09 22:36:54 I wonder why lg optimus 3d used v4l2 and gnex doesn't. laziness or what Jul 09 22:37:25 v4l2 means with or without media controller? Jul 09 22:37:42 GNUtoo-desktop: why does it matter? Jul 09 22:38:20 for instance many stuff is supposed to use v4l2 Jul 09 22:38:25 for instance the nexus S Jul 09 22:38:38 but it seem that they did a custom media-controller-like interface Jul 09 22:38:56 I didn't look into the details tough Jul 09 22:39:12 so you have to activate the camera I guess Jul 09 22:39:15 it works under replicant Jul 09 22:39:19 but not under SHR Jul 09 22:40:26 honestly we should take time and fix it once and for all. We could even write a generic v4l2 driver and just implement board callbacks for each device. ugly but should provide a single userspace interface. The proper solution would be to implement media controller and ISP pipeline setup in the userland library Jul 09 22:42:09 ok Jul 09 22:42:17 right now I want sound tough Jul 09 22:42:38 it's just that no one needs gnu/linux on a mobile phone except for a couple geeks and we spend more time talking then coding Jul 09 22:43:41 I'll start setting up ubuntu on my s2 tomorrow and writing hacks for androidisms. I wonder if meego/fedora may be easier because of kickstart Jul 09 22:43:51 ok Jul 09 22:44:00 do you have some better idea for audio Jul 09 22:44:21 I need audio, then audio in calls Jul 09 22:44:30 GNUtoo-desktop: strace in android maybe? Jul 09 22:44:36 audio in calls got broken by 2.6.35-> 3.0 Jul 09 22:44:39 ok Jul 09 22:44:56 I need some cyanogenmod with 3.0 then Jul 09 22:45:23 and they have no images for that Jul 09 22:45:27 I have to build then Jul 09 22:45:35 I didn't look into nexus code. But audio is fully hardware. Probably a DAI link is wrong in alsa module or some control is disabled in codec Jul 09 22:45:39 or to use the official 4.0 images Jul 09 22:45:40 ok Jul 09 22:45:44 don't they have prebuilt cm9? Jul 09 22:46:30 http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Latest_Version#Nexus_S Jul 09 22:47:06 Alex[sp3dev], do you have a branch for meta-samsung? Jul 09 22:47:10 hmmm seem only for cm7 Jul 09 22:47:40 I found that: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/ Jul 09 22:47:44 playya: are you talking about fso? Jul 09 22:48:09 about oe/shr Jul 09 22:48:46 I'll go to sleep now Jul 09 22:48:57 I'll download and strace later Jul 09 22:49:01 bye Jul 09 22:49:05 playya: I'm not doing SHR work. I'm just reimplementing some closed parts of galaxy nexus for some project at work. I want to get galaxy s2 (my personal phone) to SHR but I hate OE and don't have time now Jul 09 22:49:38 ok. Jul 09 22:54:40 will your reimplementation be published under a OOS license? Jul 09 22:54:48 s#OOS#OSS# Jul 09 22:57:35 i have to go to bed. Telco in 7h :( Jul 09 22:57:52 playya: http://pastebin.com/wi8TaJ11 Jul 09 22:58:03 here are the links to the repositories on github/gitorious Jul 09 22:58:46 ok. thx Jul 09 22:59:00 I'll try to integrate them tomorrow Jul 09 22:59:25 is there any multiboot solution for tuna available? Jul 09 22:59:43 playya: would be nice if you made fsogsmd work on galaxy nexus. btw, paulk is working on ril so data will be reimplemented soon Jul 09 23:00:10 ril==? Jul 09 23:00:14 playya: you can flash a custom kernel instead of recovery with stock bootloader. or you can fix uboot to load custom kernel from whatever partition Jul 09 23:00:37 playya: samsung-ril (android) and libsamsung-ipc. ril is radio integration layer, modem driver Jul 09 23:02:12 ok Jul 09 23:07:27 good night Jul 09 23:07:53 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 10 02:59:58 2012