**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 20 02:59:59 2012 Jul 20 03:04:50 JaMa: I'm guessing you are the one over the shr-project.org Trac Wiki. Anyways, what Auth method are you using? I'm guessing we're using the AccountManagerPlugin. I was told that the reason why account creation is closed (by request only) is that Trac wasnt sending confirmation emails. It looks like using the AccountManagerPlugin + the EmailVerificationModule should do the trick for us to stop SPAM and let people create an account: http://trac-hacks.or Jul 20 03:34:02 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r2f82b855eb2a 10/packages/palmpre-oe-linux-gnueabi/shr-version/ (latest shr-version/latest): packages: Build 201207200518 of shr 20120720 for machine palmpre on opmbuild Jul 20 04:09:54 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * raf66589029df 10/packages/palmpre2-oe-linux-gnueabi/shr-version/ (latest shr-version/latest): packages: Build 201207200550 of shr 20120720 for machine palmpre2 on opmbuild Jul 20 05:12:03 nully: truncated after "trac-hacks.or" Jul 20 05:17:21 SPAM and let people create an account: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/AccountManagerPlugin/Modules#EmailVerificationModule Thanks! Jul 20 05:17:31 PaulFertser: Thanks :) Jul 20 05:18:04 And yes, someone created me an account, so i'm good in that department now. Jul 20 08:15:03 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-themes * r7498244a883e 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): e-wm/elementary themes: fix build with newer edje - not tested in runtime! Jul 20 08:38:43 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-themes * r9d12c3b5dd48 10/elementary/elementary-theme-o2/o2.edc: e-wm/elementary themes: fix build with newer edje Jul 20 09:34:55 JaMa: , ppl, regarding http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/682 Jul 20 09:35:41 who I normally ask about putting the fixed version to ipk repos? Jul 20 09:36:26 ildar: I'll add it after morphis release new FSO tarballs Jul 20 09:36:59 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r86c954410bad 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb: zhone: add ecore to DEPENDS Jul 20 09:36:59 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * rdb9a7231793b 10/meta-shr/recipes-extended/gnuplot/ (gnuplot-4.4.4/automake-1.12.x.patch gnuplot_4.4.4.bb): gnuplot: fix build with automake-1.12.x Jul 20 09:37:00 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r2eb9bf736f25 10/meta-shr/recipes-core/busybox/ (busybox/defconfig busybox_1.19.4.bbappend): busybox: resync defconfig with oe-core Jul 20 09:37:04 emm, I'm a newbie, when it can happen? Jul 20 09:37:44 when fso-0.12 is ready :) Jul 20 09:37:55 emm. ? Jul 20 09:38:06 see milestone in fso trac Jul 20 09:38:14 cornucopia-0.12 Jul 20 09:38:16 oh, yah Jul 20 09:38:36 or ask morhpis to backport it to 0.11 and release bugfix tarball Jul 20 09:39:03 but it's not so important so I would rather let morphis work on other things.. Jul 20 09:39:08 I see "No date set" Jul 20 09:39:41 should I try an older version of the fsotdld ? Jul 20 09:39:46 might work? Jul 20 09:40:11 yes it worked before but wasn't very usefull anyway afaik Jul 20 09:40:53 you can build your own image with fso-autorev enabled to get this fix and latest fso Jul 20 09:41:03 if you want to work on fso Jul 20 09:41:42 sure I can. But doing that usually requires tens of gigs on HDD :( Jul 20 09:42:09 I know.. here it requires hundrets.. Jul 20 09:42:59 I guess fsotdld isn't guilty I see lots of "Couldn't connect to FSO" Jul 20 09:43:22 got to do some more troubleshooting Jul 20 10:42:00 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r55773e97c05b 10/packages/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/ (113 files in 113 dirs): packages: Build 201207200956 of shr 20120720 for machine om-gta02 on opmbuild Jul 20 11:48:08 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r0243e87ce18f 10/meta-shr/recipes-shr/shr/ (11 files): e-wm/elementary themes: fix build with newer edje Jul 20 11:48:13 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07meta-smartphone * r65a6e60c7eee 10/meta-fso/recipes-freesmartphone/cornucopia/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fsotdld: backport patch for [FSO #682] Jul 20 13:41:11 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * rbf1245d55250 10/packages/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk/ (47 files in 47 dirs): packages: Build 201207201242 of shr 20120720 for machine om-gta02 on opmbuild Jul 20 14:27:33 can somebody tell me quick where i have to put the patches, if i want to compile some package local? Jul 20 14:32:06 he doesn't find it anymore in tree, so i guess i should do it somewhere in the directory where i have cloned the git? (and written in local-builds.inc) Jul 20 14:40:40 k, i guess i got some other directory wrong... Jul 20 17:36:33 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r658fef674500 10/packages/ (189 files in 189 dirs): packages: Build 201207201611 of shr 20120720 for machine om-gta02 on opmbuild Jul 20 17:39:44 TAsn Jul 20 17:39:49 TAsn: Jul 20 17:39:53 ping Jul 20 17:40:06 pong Jul 20 17:40:10 sup? Jul 20 17:40:20 sup ? Jul 20 17:40:27 I asked first! Jul 20 17:40:29 I'm fine though. Jul 20 17:40:32 thanks for asking. Jul 20 17:41:10 i did not ask but i did not understand sup :-) Jul 20 17:41:17 ah Jul 20 17:41:18 yes ia m fine Jul 20 17:41:20 sup = what is up Jul 20 17:41:20 :) Jul 20 17:41:40 and how are you Jul 20 17:41:49 fine. :) Jul 20 17:42:26 i din not hear from you anything for a long time... Jul 20 17:43:47 are you still active in shr gui development ? Jul 20 17:44:32 nope Jul 20 17:44:34 not for a long time Jul 20 17:44:45 I'm 100% working on e ATM Jul 20 17:44:53 mostly sponsored by Samsung Jul 20 17:45:20 TAsn: any hope for anything good coming out of samsung? ;) Jul 20 17:45:23 TAsn: hi :) Jul 20 17:45:28 PaulFertser, hey, long time... :) Jul 20 17:45:45 PaulFertser, obviously, I can't comment on that. Jul 20 17:45:53 in shr there are some bugs nobody can fix.... Jul 20 17:46:06 TAsn: oh my Jul 20 17:46:18 PaulFertser, but you can be certain I'm also hoping. :) Jul 20 17:46:27 I'm not hoping anymore Jul 20 17:46:28 nschle85, :( Jul 20 17:46:31 Raster promised a lot Jul 20 17:46:35 Two years passed Jul 20 17:46:47 E is still buggy and not really usable on SHR. Jul 20 17:46:56 PaulFertser, SHR: really? Jul 20 17:47:00 it's used in Samsung Jul 20 17:47:01 Samsung promised a lot, only those shitty SGS coming. Jul 20 17:47:08 and it's good Jul 20 17:47:15 Tizen devices they released use e Jul 20 17:47:41 TAsn: well, SHR guys know better, i'm reading there're massive issues with various parts of E every now and then. Jul 20 17:48:15 I didn't hear about anything Jul 20 17:48:20 unfortunate. ;( Jul 20 17:49:02 PaulFertser, at least the efl API is now stable, so there are less annoyances in programming with the EFL Jul 20 17:49:07 TAsn: tizen devices, what's that? Jul 20 17:49:13 I mean i've read about tizen. Jul 20 17:49:14 sec Jul 20 17:49:19 Some vapourware like maemo Jul 20 17:49:32 http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/tizen-developer-phone-appears-complete-with-4-3-inch-screen-and/ Jul 20 17:50:43 PaulFertser, at least they got a device out to developers Jul 20 17:50:47 Shitty pr-talk, nothing of importance :/ Jul 20 17:51:10 PaulFertser, perhaps, but at least devs have them Jul 20 17:51:13 and e works on them Jul 20 17:51:15 and that's the point. Jul 20 17:51:42 TAsn: heh, working E is not the most important thing for a smartphone, we all know that. Jul 20 17:51:45 PaulFertser, anyhow Jul 20 17:51:51 ; Raster promised a lot Jul 20 17:51:52 Two years passed Jul 20 17:52:01 don't blame raster, he's really trying his best. :) Jul 20 17:52:11 PaulFertser, yeah, obviously, just commenting on SHR. :) Jul 20 17:52:27 TAsn: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1491 this is a major problem but nobody knows how to fix it Jul 20 17:53:21 nschle85, the problem is there is the same problem as in many distros Jul 20 17:53:29 bugs are reported to the distro's trac Jul 20 17:53:42 and not Jul 20 17:53:45 and project's trac Jul 20 17:53:51 but anyhow, what about elfe? Jul 20 17:53:59 sholud be better than illume-home anyway... Jul 20 17:54:14 that one was mostly a PoC and it's not used in Samsung Jul 20 17:56:01 TAsn: i cannot decide that. i dont know what shr will use in future Jul 20 17:56:32 nschle85, just shouting in general in the channel. Jul 20 17:56:56 but seriously, I'm not involved enough (at all) in shr to really know what's going on and what should be done Jul 20 17:57:00 nor I know elfe good enough. Jul 20 17:57:19 PaulFertser, I just hope Jul 20 17:57:33 PaulFertser, that "phones" will die Jul 20 17:57:45 and everything will move to be over the internet Jul 20 17:57:49 TAsn: will i have to always carry my netbook with me? ;) Jul 20 17:57:59 PaulFertser, no, the small LTE devices will still exist Jul 20 17:58:03 just without phone numbers Jul 20 17:58:07 and etc Jul 20 17:58:33 that'll hopefully free us a bit from this hell, as more people are interested in writing sip sw Jul 20 17:58:39 than open source mobile phones Jul 20 17:58:41 TAsn: i've asked all local LTE operators if they're going to provide ipv6 service. It's now a requirement of RFC6540. They all told me no. :(( Jul 20 17:58:55 PaulFertser, you are lucky you had people to ask Jul 20 17:58:57 we don't have LTE here. Jul 20 17:59:25 TAsn: i prefer a sipmle and flexible API for building GUIs, do you know any alternatives to E17 ? Jul 20 17:59:37 TAsn: btw, regarding sip software. linphone still can't support ipv6 and ipv4 simultaneously. Nor iptel.org has any ipv6 support at all. SIP kinda works but kinda sucks all the way too. Jul 20 17:59:40 nschle85, it's EFL, and I'm biased... Jul 20 18:00:03 PaulFertser: is there a hidden plot to make infinite money on selling ipv4 adresses? Jul 20 18:00:04 PaulFertser, but at least there are more people interested Jul 20 18:00:10 the problem with Openmoko Jul 20 18:00:21 was that there weren't *enough* interest Jul 20 18:00:28 at least not enough devs Jul 20 18:00:29 Alex[sp3dev]: no, the plot of the big companies is to continue with being stupid... Jul 20 18:01:11 PaulFertser, (un?)luckily we have the big tech companies that are stealing those stupid companies's money and clients by solving stupidity Jul 20 18:01:34 so stupidity is being replaced by big brother and efficient evilness Jul 20 18:01:35 TAsn: the problem with Openmoko was that the money Sean had were spent improperly. If he focused on creating something nice, solid and hackable, and listened only to sane engineers, it would be a hit. Jul 20 18:02:33 PaulFertser, yeah, it's amazing how small differences can change the world. Especially since openmoko came quite early. Jul 20 18:02:56 PaulFertser, see the raspberry pi and how everyone (I included) buy it Jul 20 18:03:04 TAsn: yep Jul 20 18:03:14 TAsn: i have one on my table right atm too Jul 20 18:03:35 lucky bastard :) Jul 20 18:03:51 PaulFertser, and tbh, there are better alternatives out there, even wrt value to money Jul 20 18:03:52 TAsn: Yeah, i need to add OpenOCD support ofr it. Jul 20 18:03:55 value for money* Jul 20 18:04:16 TAsn: the interest of rpi is that this is cheap Jul 20 18:04:26 PaulFertser: the rasperry is very cheap, but who can buy a gta04 ? Jul 20 18:04:27 is it? Jul 20 18:04:39 I also did buy one cause I wanted a cheap card to run irssi at work Jul 20 18:05:03 misc, yeah, but that's you Jul 20 18:05:11 others buy it for running "heavier" stuff Jul 20 18:05:43 where it's not good enough Jul 20 18:06:06 anyhow, I'm sad, I'm only getting mine at the end of september Jul 20 18:06:35 TAsn: well, that's bad, because that's their fault that i have to wait too :) Jul 20 18:06:42 ( damned slashdot crow ) Jul 20 18:06:44 i own a panda ES but its unusable because GFX acceleration is not supported in X Jul 20 18:06:53 do you think jolla os guys can succeed? I heard they signed a contract with some chinese vendor Jul 20 18:07:03 nschle85, so annoying. Jul 20 18:07:08 nschle85: it is supported with a non-free driver, no? Jul 20 18:07:14 Alex[sp3dev], I don't think they have even the slightest chance Jul 20 18:07:52 Alex[sp3dev], but I can't ignore the good pr they are doing Jul 20 18:07:52 TAsn: no chance as in they can't compete with google play or as in they won't even make it to releasing a phone? Jul 20 18:07:59 Alex[sp3dev]: the non free driver supports gstreamer. X desktop is very slow Jul 20 18:08:41 Alex[sp3dev], no chance as in: I don't think you'll be able to buy one from your operator or you'll ever get to see one in person unless you go to a specific convention or buy one yourself Jul 20 18:09:05 TAsn: damn, who wants to buy anything from an operator? Jul 20 18:09:13 TAsn: no way in life will I buy anything from our operators Jul 20 18:09:15 fuck my operator, screw them all Jul 20 18:09:27 Alex[sp3dev]: decoding some videos using XBMC (gstreamer backend) did work some month ago (including some artefacts) but currently i have a blach screen Jul 20 18:09:32 PaulFertser, I know... It's just the standard here, but I never buy from them. Jul 20 18:10:00 TAsn: the problem is that in soviet russia carriers do not offer free phones with a 2-year contract like in the US Jul 20 18:10:12 :) Jul 20 18:10:40 anyhow Jul 20 18:10:46 workout and then the new batman Jul 20 18:10:48 nschle85: I see. It's really irritating no single ARM SoC has a free opengl es driver Jul 20 18:10:52 lets hope both won't suck Jul 20 18:10:52 :) Jul 20 18:11:01 Alex[sp3dev], that's what I like about the rpi Jul 20 18:11:03 The problem is that they're not offering ipv6 and they do not provide good GPRS service even. Jul 20 18:11:06 Alex[sp3dev], it seems that it caused enough buzz Jul 20 18:11:18 Alex[sp3dev], that maybe broadcom will finally release oss drivers Jul 20 18:11:24 anyhow, later. Jul 20 18:11:32 ok, have fun Jul 20 18:11:44 TAsn: good luck! Jul 20 18:11:53 TAsn: please drop by here more often Jul 20 18:12:22 TAsn: hope ill see you more often, bye Jul 20 18:25:42 Alex[sp3dev]: yes its irritating me and other people bying that board believing the marketing videos :-) Jul 20 18:26:39 PaulFertser: how is the weather in moscow ? Jul 20 18:27:21 nschle85: several times heavy rain today with lightning and strong wind :) Jul 20 18:28:50 PaulFertser: ok, its not very hot like last year. Jul 20 18:29:06 nschle85: yes, but i prefer it hot :) Jul 20 18:30:13 PaulFertser: i know russian girls adapt their clothes to the temerature :-) Jul 20 18:30:37 nschle85: you guessed it right, that's one of the reasons i like it hot indeed! Jul 20 18:30:40 :D Jul 20 18:31:29 nschle85: what about the girls in DE? Jul 20 18:32:09 the only good thing about rain and cold weather is that people open windows instead of using air conditioning Jul 20 18:36:51 PaulFertser: ping Jul 20 18:39:57 nschle85: pong Jul 20 20:04:02 Alex[sp3dev]: How goes the Galaxy Nexus? Jul 20 20:06:31 mirage335: hi Jul 20 20:06:43 Hi. Jul 20 20:06:55 How close is graphics support for the Galaxy Nexus? Jul 20 20:07:02 mirage335: uboot is 'done' (no usb flashing, but at least it boots recovery, boot and can shutdown), free RIL is fully done Jul 20 20:07:50 free RIL? Jul 20 20:08:03 you mean the modem? Jul 20 20:08:09 mirage335: yep. libsamsung-ipc and samsung-ril support is done for the modem Jul 20 20:08:29 Awesome. I heard something about the sound still needing to get fixed though. Jul 20 20:08:48 that was for s2. on nexus, *everything* regarding modem works Jul 20 20:09:33 I still need to test paulk's recent changes and we need to merge trees, but my trees have complete support so eventually replicant will probably support this Jul 20 20:10:25 I haven't looked into graphics yet. And I guess graphics are going to be unusably slow without opengl. The proper way would be to reverse the opengl driver but it needs a lot of time Jul 20 20:11:58 either way, I won't be working much on galaxy nexus. I plan to hack a free gps library for s2 and nexus, but the idea we have (at my work place) is to run untrusted code under a hypervisor but that's highly experimental and we don't expect any result soon Jul 20 20:17:16 mirage335: what are your aims? Jul 20 20:17:50 Alex[sp3dev]: I'm hoping to get replicant on the Galaxy Nexus. Jul 20 20:19:50 mirage335: nice. I guess porting everything to gingerbread is difficult and kind of stupid (and even on GB, the performance at 720x1280 w/o opengl will be terrible). the fact is that there's no way to have h/w acceleration with free code and writing an opengl es driver is not easy (although I'm thinking of it actually) Jul 20 20:21:07 Hmm, well unfortunately, I don't think replicant will go for any non-free code. Jul 20 20:22:02 Still, the modem driver is pretty awesome. That certainly helps with the sort of problems I was afraid of. Jul 20 20:24:02 well, I just don't like the idea of removing non-free code by any price. There are reasons why non-free code is bad (security in case of radio drivers, it breaks with ABI changes and whatever) but I'd prefer to have all hardware working than masturbating onto a dual-core SoC that works slower than a freerunner because of fanatism. At least we have free drivers on x86 laptops and can use them for security-critical data. we Jul 20 20:25:09 Alex[sp3dev]: truncated after "we" Jul 20 20:25:35 PaulFertser: "we have free drivers on x86 laptops and can use them for security critical data. well, sort of" Jul 20 20:26:02 PaulFertser: you know, until you build hardware from the logic gate level, you can't fully trust it anyway Jul 20 20:26:20 even a network card nowadays has a CPU and firmware.... Jul 20 20:26:43 mirage335: http://pastebin.com/CgjCmU10 this will help you a bit. these are links to uboot and ril sources with latest branch and tag names Jul 20 20:27:04 Alex[sp3dev]: i prefer simple UIs, and simple UIs do not need OpenGL of any kind. Jul 20 20:28:09 PaulFertser: I also think even sw rendering will be pretty fast with modern hardware, but there are people who want to run Android Jul 20 20:28:37 Alex[sp3dev]: I guess there are two motivations for wanting source code now Jul 20 20:28:38 Alex[sp3dev]: ah, i do not care much about those tbh Jul 20 20:28:46 Alex[sp3dev]: Thanks, I'll take a look ASAP. Jul 20 20:28:50 PaulFertser: well, actually using old UI and accepting the fact that vendors don't give a fuck about us is not a solution Jul 20 20:28:52 Alex[sp3dev]: some want to review it for security, others only want to be able to modify and share it Jul 20 20:30:04 Alex[sp3dev]: new UIs mostly suck anyway... Jul 20 20:30:38 PaulFertser: the problem is not to run a new UI but to have hardware properly supported in linux Jul 20 20:31:03 which makes me think.. releasing open-source drivers under a non-free license could be a compromise. but probably vendors are afraid not of competitors stealing their ideas but of disclosing stolen/NDA code Jul 20 20:31:44 Alex[sp3dev]: they have fucking patents for that Jul 20 20:34:53 * Alex[sp3dev] feels sorry for constantly turning this channel into a local division of linux.org.ru Jul 20 20:35:37 Alex[sp3dev]: :DDD Jul 20 20:37:00 overall I like opengl es 2.0 and I like wayland (except for the fact that they want to rewrite locale and input stuff which are more or less fine). There are multiple reasons why, but ubuntu with X11 and xfce is like 30 times slower than android on my tablet. Jul 20 20:38:56 Alex[sp3dev]: yeah hardware accelerated graphics is not really available to free software mobile users Jul 20 20:49:13 hello! I find firmware for freerunner of wifi card supported monitor mode =) Jul 20 20:52:23 fruct: oh really? Have you tested it? Jul 20 20:52:50 fruct: ? Jul 20 20:52:55 sorry my english - I in progress Jul 20 20:53:06 fruct: but please spare some details Jul 20 20:53:07 fruct: got some source? Jul 20 20:53:42 I finding the firmware Jul 20 20:56:28 fruct: you found it? Jul 20 20:56:50 lindi-, no Jul 20 20:56:51 I guess he found ath6kl firmware and tought it was the same ath6kl than the freerunner? Jul 20 20:57:27 the ath6k of the openmoko supports cfg80211? Jul 20 20:59:32 GNUtoo: the ar6000 shit-driver that we use on gta02 doesn't support cfg80211. Jul 20 21:00:14 yeah and it doesn't work with current wpasupplicant anymore Jul 20 21:00:25 I bisected the patch that breaks it but didn't understand enough to figure out what to do Jul 20 21:00:31 reverting the patch does make it work again Jul 20 21:01:21 PaulFertser, ok Jul 20 21:01:40 lindi-: seen your report, too bad Juoni is not interested enough... Jul 20 21:01:52 lindi-, what's the patch? Jul 20 21:01:53 PaulFertser: Jouni Jul 20 21:02:04 Yep Jul 20 21:02:08 GNUtoo: it's just a timeout value from 10s back to 5s Jul 20 21:02:16 ok Jul 20 21:02:16 GNUtoo: it's in the upstream mailing list and bug tracker Jul 20 21:02:31 ok Jul 20 21:02:40 PaulFertser: well I can understand he doesn't want to debug out-of-tree wlan code for hardware that he does not have Jul 20 21:02:48 yes I saw mails from you with wpa-supplicant.... Jul 20 21:02:58 yeah that was it Jul 20 21:03:24 the fix is probably quite easy if you understand how the wext interface is supposed to work Jul 20 21:18:28 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r9e9531db5882 10/packages/ (140 files in 140 dirs): packages: Build 201207202009 of shr 20120720 for machine nokia900 on opmbuild Jul 20 22:18:30 PaulFertser, I idle here 24/7 and I always respond to pings. :) But yeah, should probably talk here more often. :) Jul 20 23:47:12 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * re38ebb43349e 10/packages/armv7a-vfp-neon-oe-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk/ (47 files in 47 dirs): packages: Build 201207202345 of shr 20120720 for machine om-gta04 on opmbuild Jul 21 02:02:46 SHR: 03shr-devel 07buildhistory * r361c89550752 10/packages/palmpre-oe-linux-gnueabi/shr-version/ (latest shr-version/latest): packages: Build 201207210332 of shr 20120721 for machine palmpre on opmbuild **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 21 02:59:58 2012