**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 19 03:00:01 2012 Oct 19 12:59:05 ~seen GNUtoo Oct 19 12:59:11 gnutoo <~gnutoo@50.118-226-89.dsl.completel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #buglabs, 31d 15h 2m ago, saying: 'I'll go to sleep very very soon'. Oct 19 13:01:30 JaMa: you have got a n900 too, right? did you try the 3.5 version of the kernel yet? Oct 19 13:01:50 continental-tire: 3.5 from where? Oct 19 13:02:29 JaMa: from here: https://github.com/skry Oct 19 13:02:38 continental-tire: newest I've tried was 3.0.0 https://github.com/shr-distribution/linux/tree/nokia900/3.0/wip-rx51-camera Oct 19 13:04:28 JaMa: ok, the 3.5 boots for example archlinux. I tried it and it works so far. there is the maemo thread with link to precompiled packages: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892 Oct 19 13:06:48 continental-tire: I can try when I find some time Oct 19 13:06:58 continental-tire: or you can send patch for meta-nokia layer if you can Oct 19 13:09:54 JaMa: I haven't tried to compile it myself yet but if I got it working I'll let you know. Otherwise I frequenltly read the logs of this channel and #webos-ports and #replicant for news. Oct 19 13:11:39 continental-tire: we should also upgrade our u-boot version when we're at it Oct 19 13:14:17 JaMa: right, but I'm not really happy with pali's more recent versions and upstreaming isn't completed, yet. I should ask "Skry" for a working kernel config... Oct 19 13:16:06 continental-tire: yup I had also few issues with pali's changes, but that was few months ago when I've last tried newer u-boot, I was expecting it to be better now Oct 19 13:21:07 JaMa: Ok, I'll try to get change the recipes for recent u-boot and kernel for n900. I'll start today, with compile time of a complete image I probably have something until Sunday. Please try it yourself if you find the time, because I'm still a beginner with OE. Oct 19 13:27:39 I'm working on something else which has higher prio so I won't find time this week Oct 19 13:35:59 JaMa: Webos maybe? Does Webos port rely on android kernel interfaces (because of gnex-port)? Oct 19 13:43:29 DocScrutinizer51: Can you help with OE recipies for N900 (u-boot, skry's kernel)? You are a lot more competend then I'll ever be, would be nice if you can do something (after Sunday) if I don't get it myself. Oct 19 13:45:30 sorry, no clue abouit OE receipes Oct 19 13:47:18 DocScrutinizer51: Oops, seems I have it remebered wrong. On Skry's kernel, would you by chance have a working .config you could point me to? Oct 19 13:48:07 most likely not Oct 19 13:49:43 DocScrutinizer51: ok, thanks. I'll ask Skry later if he's willing to share it. Oct 19 20:02:48 hello GNUtoo-desktop: are your changes for N900 alsa forwarder merged ? Oct 19 20:03:08 nschle85, they're still in branches Oct 19 20:03:16 no one wants to work on it.... Oct 19 20:03:18 that's sad Oct 19 20:03:22 I can't do everything Oct 19 20:03:25 else I explode Oct 19 20:03:50 GNUtoo-desktop: so why they are not merged ? Oct 19 20:03:59 because no one finished the work Oct 19 20:04:24 GNUtoo-desktop: if it its merged something gets broken ? Oct 19 20:04:41 it's not complete Oct 19 20:05:03 gets something broken ? Oct 19 20:05:12 yes Oct 19 20:05:15 ok Oct 19 20:05:27 recording is not implemented Oct 19 20:05:32 and alsa is bad Oct 19 20:05:38 but it can save files well Oct 19 20:06:21 GNUtoo-desktop: so can you please document the location of the branches in shr wiki please Oct 19 20:06:40 it's in cornucopia Oct 19 20:07:28 GNUtoo-desktop: ok then document them please in FSO Oct 19 20:14:25 nschle85, ok Oct 19 20:14:40 nschle85, right now I'm fixing a bug in replicant Oct 19 20:14:48 I'll try not to forgett Oct 19 20:16:18 GNUtoo-desktop: so some more documentation would help some newcomers and me to follow your development Oct 19 20:17:23 yes Oct 19 20:18:54 GNUtoo-desktop: at work i had a discussion about linux kernel and android kernel. As i know you are the kernel expert here, so this is my question: Is a android kernel a 100% compatible linux kernel ? Oct 19 20:21:45 it depends Oct 19 20:21:55 in practice no Oct 19 20:22:12 in theory it could if the android layers would be adapted(more standard) Oct 19 20:22:40 nschle85: GNUtoo-desktop: continental-tire asked today about new kernel for n900, there is 3.5.6 on github (used by archlinux) if you're interested read log from 15-16 today Oct 19 20:22:42 (if you want to run GNU/Linux on top of an android kenrel) Oct 19 20:22:54 ok Oct 19 20:23:00 does it have modem? Oct 19 20:24:45 GNUtoo-desktop: so which part is not compatible ? Oct 19 20:25:18 GNUtoo-desktop: i need some arguments to tell that an android kernel is not a linux kernel Oct 19 20:25:47 take a qualcomm kernel Oct 19 20:25:51 they don't have alsa Oct 19 20:25:57 they have leds instead of backlight Oct 19 20:25:59 etc.... Oct 19 20:26:10 (backlight is in /sys/class/led) Oct 19 20:26:23 and wifi is non-standard WEXT usually Oct 19 20:26:30 not even libnl80211 Oct 19 20:26:39 but it really depend on your phone Oct 19 20:26:45 I'm into deep debugging right now Oct 19 20:29:19 GNUtoo-desktop: so in other words, is it always possible to get a working linux distribution on a android kernel ? Oct 19 20:29:58 nschle85, no Oct 19 20:30:03 it's not Oct 19 20:30:15 you need a lot of manpower for bad devices Oct 19 20:30:23 like years with many people Oct 19 20:30:38 if the device is good enough it could be much faster Oct 19 20:30:42 like some months Oct 19 20:30:46 or even less Oct 19 20:31:27 nschle85, I'm really busy right now, can we talk later? Oct 19 20:33:07 GNUtoo-desktop: yes we can... I am not angy ... bye later... you know my email Oct 19 20:33:21 ok Oct 19 20:34:19 JaMa: where is the information from ? Oct 19 20:35:44 JaMa: i dont know where to read the information from arch linux Oct 19 20:40:36 link and info is in log from 15-16 today Oct 19 20:40:48 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt Oct 19 20:53:19 ah ok i thought the company "Continental" was asking for newer kernel... Oct 19 20:56:26 nschle85, back Oct 19 20:57:14 nice Oct 19 20:58:00 i am now somehow irretated Oct 19 20:58:47 nschle85, they have partial modem support Oct 19 20:59:00 why? Oct 19 20:59:30 GNUtoo-desktop: i know that ISI was broken in earlier kernels Oct 19 20:59:50 GNUtoo-desktop: and now its working ? Oct 19 20:59:51 maybe it's not Oct 19 20:59:56 ah? Oct 19 21:00:04 note that we use systemd Oct 19 21:00:19 I'm not sure that 2.6.28 has the required stuff to boot with systemd Oct 19 21:00:44 hmmm Oct 19 21:01:38 GNUtoo-desktop: so why is there no newer maemo kernel ? Oct 19 21:02:18 because they wanted to do meego and work with upstream Oct 19 21:02:31 but they stopped before the goal was reached Oct 19 21:02:40 because of the microsoft elop thing Oct 19 21:03:55 GNUtoo-desktop: as i remember you told me that isi protocol api was changed in later kernels. is that true ? Oct 19 21:04:36 I was told that Oct 19 21:04:44 I was against bumping kernel at the time Oct 19 21:04:50 but they did it anyway Oct 19 21:05:01 and they told me that as an excuse for it Oct 19 21:05:17 but you could try Oct 19 21:05:27 just be sure that you have devtmpfs etc... Oct 19 21:05:36 the problem is that it's probably not in 28 Oct 19 21:06:35 GNUtoo-desktop: hmmm.. so why not to update to current stable kernel ? what we will miss ? Oct 19 21:08:28 what's current stable kernel? Oct 19 21:14:14 nschle85, ^^^ Oct 19 21:24:42 nschle85, I'll go, I'll look if it's worth to fix audio-in-calls in n900 later Oct 19 21:33:18 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 20 03:00:02 2012