**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 02:59:59 2012 Nov 05 04:48:37 hello Nov 05 04:49:24 i'm curious about the shr project work for the samsung s2. am i in the right channel? Nov 05 04:57:42 ashes: theoretically you are in the right place, not sure if the people working on that are online Nov 05 04:58:39 i would like to get in contact with whoever it working on the samsung s2 Nov 05 05:08:31 i'm not requesting any help. i want to see the todo list and coordinate our efforts Nov 05 10:07:48 * jluis|port at elce2012 vivaldi II Nov 05 11:39:43 paulk-desktop: earlier there was someone looking for folks working on shr support for SGS2: https://paste.debian.net/plain/206593 Nov 05 11:40:12 ok Nov 05 11:40:21 pabs3, I think Alex started something Nov 05 11:40:46 but I'm not sure he's still working on it Nov 05 11:41:19 and basically I'm not doing any SHR development, even though I'm working a lot on Galaxy S2 ATM Nov 05 11:41:20 yeah, I knew there was something going on with sgs2 either in shr or replicant but I could not find any wiki pages about it Nov 05 11:41:58 whats the codename for sgs2 btw? Nov 05 11:42:55 I9100 ? Nov 05 11:43:05 and indeed I didn't write anything on the replicant side yet Nov 05 11:43:41 and there is: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/Samsung/InstallGuide Nov 05 11:44:37 by codename I mean the kernel variant; SGSI == GT-I9000 and the Linux device codename is aries Nov 05 11:46:19 ok Nov 05 11:46:35 in cyanogenmod it's called "galaxys2" or "c1" or SMDK4210 Nov 05 11:46:48 smdk4210 is the SOC name though Nov 05 11:57:01 hmm, ok Nov 05 12:59:58 anyboy got aguide for me "How to survive Vista"? Nov 05 13:00:10 anybody* Nov 05 13:01:40 or better just quit that job? Nov 05 13:01:49 DocScrutinizer51: its a simple two-step process: wipe it and install any Linux distro Nov 05 13:02:10 no admin Nov 05 13:02:17 or install Linux in a VM then Nov 05 13:02:31 no vmware Nov 05 13:02:48 just connect to a remote machine with xpra Nov 05 13:03:18 that might indeed be a possibility Nov 05 13:03:31 my XP machine is next desk now Nov 05 13:03:42 I've run almost all of my applications over xpra for over a year now Nov 05 13:03:47 including this irc client :) Nov 05 13:04:24 VirtualBox is the other VM option on Windows, there are "portable" versions of it that don't need admin to install Nov 05 13:04:30 I just have to find a way to stop headdesking and throwing up first Nov 05 13:05:14 pabs3: sounds nice Nov 05 13:05:49 I wonder if I could use my logitech mouse via virtualbox Nov 05 13:06:20 for sure it won't cure the 17' screen Nov 05 13:07:04 not sure about the mouse thing. portable app seems to be here: http://www.vbox.me/ Nov 05 13:07:36 thanks a lot pabs3 Nov 05 13:08:07 ah, actually it seems it does need admin due to the drivers it needs Nov 05 13:08:37 another question: does anybody know where FF stores its bookmarks under XP? Nov 05 13:08:44 and under Vista? Nov 05 13:09:08 the real question might be how to export those? Nov 05 13:09:15 I'm doomed :-/ Nov 05 13:10:30 lindi-: I know how to export them, alas I have no access to the original FF anymore to do this. ITadmin copied my 'setings and data' folder to vista machine Nov 05 13:10:42 good luck :) Nov 05 13:11:05 * DocScrutinizer51 looks for the rope Nov 05 13:11:50 this is so absolutely annoying, discourraging and disgusting Nov 05 13:12:41 I'm not willing to add experience on Vista to either my brain or my CV Nov 05 13:16:01 particularly when all I need that shit for is standard work like browsing the web, handling mail, reading pdf, writing .odt, etc Nov 05 13:16:55 the transparent windows alone drive me nuts. Don't get me started about that file explorer Nov 05 13:18:02 where are the config options to show hidden files and .ext? Nov 05 13:19:00 where's the classical view with tree on left and details on right? Nov 05 13:19:24 first result in Google: http://windows.microsoft.com/is-IS/windows-vista/Show-hidden-files Nov 05 13:19:39 aah fine Nov 05 13:19:57 thanks pabs3 Nov 05 13:20:13 http://www.mydigitallife.info/display-and-show-classic-navigation-tree-pane-in-windows-7-explorer-for-users-folder-control-panel-recycle-bin-and-cddvdbd-drives/ Nov 05 13:20:30 though I really wonder how to handle the whole insult / mobbing Nov 05 13:20:31 DocScrutinizer51: can you boot a livecd btw? Nov 05 13:20:46 yep, I guess I could Nov 05 13:20:54 livecd with persistence would be ideal I guess Nov 05 13:21:07 but of course no account on LAN then Nov 05 13:21:28 hmm Nov 05 13:22:16 not to mention the lotus notes crap, for mail et al Nov 05 13:23:06 I should contact my boss and outright tell him I refuse to work with such tools Nov 05 13:23:43 * pabs3 hopes you don't get fired as a result :X Nov 05 13:24:18 I guess getting fired might not the worst thing that could happen to me Nov 05 13:24:33 :) Nov 05 13:25:11 actually that's the real question I'm just pondering Nov 05 13:28:33 thanks anyway for listening and tips. Back to hell for me now... (aka lunch break over) Nov 05 13:31:43 GNUtoo-desktop: were you working on SHR for SGS2? https://paste.debian.net/plain/206593 Nov 05 13:40:06 are the installation instructions on http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/GTA/InstallGuide still valid? Nov 05 13:40:29 i followed them and ended up with a panic, unable to mount rootfs Nov 05 13:41:07 flashed my gta02 with the following rootfs/kernel: Nov 05 13:41:08 shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 uImage-2.6.39-r13-om-gta02-20121003142338.bin Nov 05 13:42:59 pabs3, not me but some other people Nov 05 13:43:40 pabs3, alex[sp3dev] did a kernel for it Nov 05 13:43:55 zear, hi Nov 05 13:44:00 you flashed to NAND Nov 05 13:44:07 try that : Nov 05 13:44:07 yes Nov 05 13:44:11 nand scrub Nov 05 13:44:12 nand bad Nov 05 13:44:17 nand createbbt Nov 05 13:44:20 dynparts Nov 05 13:44:23 and reflash Nov 05 13:44:32 where am i supposed to type that? Nov 05 13:44:33 I got kernel panic if I don't do that Nov 05 13:45:13 zear, in uboot, let me find the link\ Nov 05 13:45:18 s#\## Nov 05 13:45:26 "set console to USB"? Nov 05 13:45:59 let me find the link Nov 05 13:46:05 sure Nov 05 13:46:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#Clearing_BadBlocks Nov 05 13:55:30 GNUtoo-desktop, ok, i clearned the nand from bad blocks Nov 05 13:55:38 but now i have a feeling i have wiped out the entire nand Nov 05 13:55:41 and bricked the device Nov 05 13:55:52 uboot is on NOR Nov 05 13:56:01 so reflash as usual Nov 05 13:56:03 including QI Nov 05 13:56:15 i can't, since the device won't boot into uboot anymore Nov 05 13:56:22 what? Nov 05 13:56:28 that's impossible Nov 05 13:56:31 nothing happens when i hold aux and power Nov 05 13:56:39 take out the battery Nov 05 13:56:42 i did Nov 05 13:56:51 are you sure you have a GTA02 Nov 05 13:56:58 yes Nov 05 13:57:02 ok Nov 05 13:57:11 ok, did it again and u-boot booted Nov 05 13:57:15 ok Nov 05 13:57:16 i don't know why it didn' before Nov 05 13:57:18 maybe bad button then Nov 05 13:57:50 so now i have to flash the qi bootloader as well? Nov 05 13:57:59 yes Nov 05 13:58:02 k Nov 05 13:58:10 I use ubifs btw Nov 05 13:58:25 if you want ubifs you'll need qi-ubi Nov 05 14:00:24 ubifs for the rootfs? Nov 05 14:01:16 yes Nov 05 14:01:23 and what's the difference between rootfs.ubi and rootfs.ubifs? Nov 05 14:01:30 they have different size/date Nov 05 14:01:46 ubifs is better : you get more space Nov 05 14:01:49 ok Nov 05 14:01:58 take the .ubi tough Nov 05 14:02:05 because ubifs is a layer on top of ubi Nov 05 14:06:34 JaMa, hi Nov 05 14:07:29 GNUtoo-desktop, when selecting bootloader flashing option in neotool, it asks for uboot location. Should i feed it with qi? Or should i stop using neotool? Nov 05 14:07:49 try feeding it with QI Nov 05 14:07:56 and I don't know neotool Nov 05 14:43:43 GNUtoo-desktop, should i see any boot splash while SHR is booting? Nov 05 14:43:54 it stays on a black screen for a good 5min now Nov 05 14:44:09 so i'm not sure whether it's booting at all or not Nov 05 14:47:59 hmmm Nov 05 14:48:13 the backlight is on Nov 05 14:48:15 but the screen is black Nov 05 14:48:18 ok Nov 05 14:48:36 it's over 10min now Nov 05 14:48:39 ok Nov 05 14:49:02 ok Nov 05 14:49:35 note that it does postinstall on ll packages Nov 05 14:49:41 *all Nov 05 14:49:47 i realize this Nov 05 14:49:57 but at that point i'd expect some sort of life sign Nov 05 14:50:09 unless it does the post install before bringing up the framebuffer Nov 05 14:50:10 +it does ssh-keygen Nov 05 14:50:58 you flashed what exactly? Nov 05 14:51:14 qi-ubi-s3c2442.udfu shr-image-om-gta02-20121028011333.rootfs.ubi uImage-2.6.39-r13-om-gta02-20121003142338.bin Nov 05 14:51:17 all via neotool Nov 05 14:51:30 ok Nov 05 14:51:44 hmmm Nov 05 14:52:00 it should work normally... Nov 05 14:52:09 JaMa, ^^^ Nov 05 14:52:39 JaMa, may know better Nov 05 14:53:03 else i'll have to test the same images... Nov 05 14:56:30 JaMa, ping Nov 05 15:01:44 radekp: hi :) i've finally tried v48 on gta04. Should i better create tickets at SF for the issues (or probably non-issues) i've seen so far? Or can we discuss those here? Nov 05 15:04:16 radekp: it's only today that i realised that it's a bit strange that you're from CZ but your surname says Polak :) Nov 05 15:15:03 GNUtoo, still staying on black screen Nov 05 15:15:08 Does anybody know how to start charging on gta04? Nov 05 15:15:20 zear, ok let me try to flash the same images Nov 05 15:15:50 zear, do you have a link to the images? Nov 05 15:16:00 twl4030_usb says it's offline... Nov 05 15:16:12 (because there is shr-core and shr for testing(still core based) Nov 05 15:16:17 GNUtoo, all taken from: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/latest/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D Nov 05 15:17:10 zear, do you know what staging is? Nov 05 15:17:27 It really is something uber-wierd. Kernel 3.5.0 qtmoko, usb plugged into PC, i have rndis networking. And yet the battery's discharging :( Nov 05 15:17:29 because it's images that doesn't have been merged yet because not tested fully Nov 05 15:17:41 yes, that's why i wanted to test them Nov 05 15:17:41 PaulFertser, yes Nov 05 15:17:43 to give my feedback Nov 05 15:17:45 ok Nov 05 15:17:48 let me look Nov 05 15:18:02 PaulFertser, there was a mail on how to discharge battery in gta04 ml Nov 05 15:18:36 GNUtoo: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2012-April/002175.html ? Nov 05 15:19:06 no Nov 05 15:19:14 another one that list everything that can go wrong Nov 05 15:19:19 like howto discharge battery Nov 05 15:19:22 or something like that Nov 05 15:22:02 zear, ok I'm downloading the images Nov 05 15:25:37 :) Nov 05 15:25:53 note that I've the debug board Nov 05 15:26:54 BTW, that fucking twl4030 is something i dislike since i have dealt with it on n900 :/ Nov 05 15:30:27 ok] Nov 05 15:30:32 *ok Nov 05 15:47:16 PaulFertser, the MFD/PMU of the freerunner is better? Nov 05 15:49:32 PaulFertser, Subject: [Gta04-owner] How to not charge your GTA04 Nov 05 15:49:41 Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 07:51:30 +0200 Nov 05 15:50:04 http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2012-May/002396.html Nov 05 15:50:37 GNUtoo: i know PMU of the freerunner and its behaviour is consistent. At least i know it well :) Nov 05 15:50:46 ok Nov 05 15:52:03 GNUtoo: wow, thanks, that's informative! Too bad it's not fixed anyhow. Nov 05 15:54:41 zear, flashed Nov 05 15:55:19 ok so kernel boots Nov 05 15:55:23 then it goes to systemd Nov 05 15:55:33 for me it's still the black screen Nov 05 15:55:47 ok Nov 05 15:55:57 it says: Nov 05 15:56:03 Welcome to Linux! Nov 05 15:56:28 in fact it just executed the linux kernel and should say welcome to GNU/Linux or GNU or SHR instead Nov 05 15:56:43 s/executed/booted/ Nov 05 15:56:48 but it stays there Nov 05 15:56:55 I guess we need a more recent kernel Nov 05 15:57:16 let's wait a bit to see Nov 05 15:57:16 ok, so it's not my fault then Nov 05 15:57:19 no Nov 05 15:57:36 it's the consequence of using staging images Nov 05 15:57:40 do we have 3.x kernel yet? Nov 05 15:57:45 specially when you're the first one Nov 05 15:57:51 *first one to test Nov 05 15:57:53 so few testers? Nov 05 15:58:02 the image you took is very new Nov 05 15:58:05 ah Nov 05 15:58:36 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/StagingTests Nov 05 15:58:39 indeed Nov 05 15:58:48 the other previous images were tested already Nov 05 15:58:51 and merged Nov 05 15:58:56 but the new ones weren't tested yet Nov 05 15:59:26 an unrelated question - does SHR still have a 1sec lag between the ringtone and call pickup? Nov 05 15:59:32 no idea Nov 05 15:59:43 I didn't notice that Nov 05 15:59:48 but the bug may still be there Nov 05 16:00:01 my old image had it so when you clicked to answer the phone, it would still continue ringing for a ~1sec Nov 05 16:00:22 zear, can you lookup the number of the Image? Nov 05 16:00:31 ah ok Nov 05 16:00:42 it's something really old Nov 05 16:00:49 if we succeed to boot....you could test and bugreport Nov 05 16:00:56 i'd have to boot it, let me check Nov 05 16:01:16 let me look first Nov 05 16:01:25 JaMa, ping Nov 05 16:07:54 GNUtoo, no idea how to retreive the image number, but the reknel build date is sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009 Nov 05 16:08:02 2.6.29-rc3 Nov 05 16:08:23 for my old SHR image Nov 05 16:16:47 JaMa, ping Nov 05 16:17:53 zear, JaMa knows Nov 05 16:18:04 or wget the lastest number Nov 05 16:18:09 and md5sum both rootfs Nov 05 16:18:18 or with the name Nov 05 16:18:20 let me look Nov 05 16:18:50 it's 106 Nov 05 16:18:56 I'll bugreport Nov 05 16:19:00 since I've more infos than you Nov 05 16:21:13 zear, I didn't see that: Nov 05 16:21:19 schuma new flashed - does not boot, (backlight comes on - nothing else) Nov 05 16:21:21 in 106 Nov 05 16:21:25 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/StagingTests Nov 05 16:25:11 ah Nov 05 16:50:35 GNUtoo, do i need to clean the back blocks before every single rootfs update? Nov 05 16:51:04 i now flashed an older image and again got the kernel panic due to not being able to mount the rootfs Nov 05 16:52:34 zear, before every flash of the rootfs trough dfu Nov 05 16:52:47 ah Nov 05 16:56:26 zear: someone already reported (on stagingtests page) that new images after rebuild does not boot, so maybe it's not caused by .ubi Nov 05 16:56:53 JaMa, I've more details Nov 05 16:57:03 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/2080#comment:1 Nov 05 16:57:25 JaMa, after cleaning the bad blocks, i'm not getting a panic Nov 05 16:57:36 instead it just says in there forever Nov 05 16:57:40 with black screen Nov 05 16:58:04 GNUtoo: looks like issues we had with gold, but this time gold should be still disabled, weird Nov 05 16:58:13 ah ouch Nov 05 16:58:26 so I was really in the wrong path Nov 05 16:58:36 because I tought of more pre-requisites for systemd Nov 05 16:58:42 I'll try to chroot to image from shr buildhost to see if it SIGILLs somewhere else too Nov 05 16:58:44 such as depend on one more function Nov 05 16:58:50 ok Nov 05 16:59:04 JaMa, how to debug that kind of stuff? Nov 05 16:59:06 nothing was changed between last 2 images, except build from scratech Nov 05 16:59:21 yes I knpw Nov 05 16:59:23 *know Nov 05 16:59:29 it was written on staging tests Nov 05 16:59:33 also: Nov 05 16:59:40 GNUtoo: gdb to see where exactly is SIGILL and then compare current and previous binaries Nov 05 16:59:51 2) did people complain that telephony goes away in gta04 after suspend? Nov 05 17:01:41 ah nice slyon's patch was merged, thanks Nov 05 17:03:18 JaMa, why did you rebuilt from scratch? because of the patch changes (was it /usr for a standard such as FHS or something like that? ) Nov 05 17:03:27 ? Nov 05 17:03:53 I want to know to know if I've to rebuild from scratch again Nov 05 17:04:03 and if testing my local images are relevant Nov 05 17:04:46 GNUtoo: no those changes are only in master (not danny branches) Nov 05 17:05:17 but we had some cruft in sysroots from gcc-intermediate etc... so I wanted to clean it now when we're on danny Nov 05 17:11:01 ok Nov 05 18:59:37 JaMa, does fsogsmd builds for you? Nov 05 18:59:46 | smshandler.c:111:34: error: field 'ackmsg' has incomplete type Nov 05 18:59:46 | smshandler.c:113:34: error: field '_tmp4_' has incomplete type Nov 05 19:00:54 maybe changes in libsamsung-ipc Nov 05 19:03:30 I was trying to register on shr-project.org/trac. Gave me a: "Trac detected an internal error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' ... notify your local Trac administrator ". What can I do? Nov 05 19:07:01 GNUtoo: yes, but without fso-autorev Nov 05 19:07:37 Nkokem1: send me your login/initial_password/email on query and I'll create account for you Nov 05 19:08:00 Nkokem1: it should say something like "registration disabled".. :/ Nov 05 19:12:18 ok Nov 05 19:12:41 radekp_: ping Nov 05 19:13:17 PaulFertser: hi Nov 05 19:13:46 radekp_: :) good evening. Nov 05 19:14:20 radekp_: i've tried v48 and i have several issues and probably non-issues to report. Would you like to discuss a bit here or should i just add tickets to SF and you'll deal with it however appropriate? Nov 05 19:14:59 PaulFertser: hmm if there is chance i can fix something immediately we can talk here... Nov 05 19:16:22 radekp_: talking about gta04 here. Well, first thing that comes to my mind is that: i think that it's a natural course of the actions of somebody who has just installed QtMoko to try to connect to a WiFi AP to get to the Internet to start downloading software he needs, testing web-browser etc. Nov 05 19:16:44 radekp_: and woohoo, passwordless root access from the outside out of the box. I'm not sure that's ok. Nov 05 19:17:12 PaulFertser: ahh oki, i know about that Nov 05 19:17:38 PaulFertser: but iirc there was no idea how to fix this yet... Nov 05 19:18:03 radekp_: i mean the device connects to the internet and immediately exposes ssh to the whole cruel outside world, that's a bit scary :) Nov 05 19:18:12 yup :) Nov 05 19:18:24 radekp_: well, one possible way would be to make sshd bind to usb0 only Nov 05 19:18:37 i think the same goes for GPRS - on many provides you have got public ip Nov 05 19:19:06 PaulFertser: do you know how to do it? Nov 05 19:22:07 i think some iptables magic could do it - but maybe sshd has config option for it... Nov 05 19:22:54 openssh allows to disable passwordless login Nov 05 19:23:11 but that's not good when debuging why it does not boot over usbnet :/ Nov 05 19:23:31 JaMa: hi :) Nov 05 19:23:57 hmm passwordless login is so inconvenient for developer :) Nov 05 19:24:14 Maybe somethn like ListenAddress 192.168.0.200 could do it... Nov 05 19:25:03 but still it's not perfect - if you connect to wifi that gives you 192.168.0.200 ip address Nov 05 19:26:50 maybe some not so easy-to-guess password Nov 05 19:27:14 but from experience, nobody will read docs, so everybody will ask what's default password Nov 05 19:27:45 radekp_: unfortunately, i do not see a way to do it without iptables. And also i prefer to simply discover the device over local links with "ping6 -I usb0 ff02::1" and so i do not need to set any addresses to any interfaces at all, just bringing the interface up is enough. Nov 05 19:29:52 radekp_: another thing i noticed (and it does hurt :) ): you excluded jffs2 from the kernel build and that makes it impossible to mount the default "hw validation and demo" mtdblock4 partition as it comes from the factory. Nov 05 19:31:15 PaulFertser: ahh oki, this should be easy to fix Nov 05 19:32:12 radekp_: two wifi-related issues: first is "cosmetic", it's really counter-intuitive to setup connection to an AP with WPA/WPA2, i had to go google first how to get to the "wifi connections" menu, then i had to add a new, then go one layer up, then go to settings (and it felt like those were generic) and then select my AP from the drop-down list (which i didn't expect to see there) and only then could i specify the password etc. Nov 05 19:32:39 I mean the procedure was really strange. I usually expect to see scan results, select an item, enter the password, done. Nov 05 19:33:44 radekp_: another wifi issue is http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/libertas-dev/2012-June/003819.html , the throughput is very low, ~100kbyte/s, and ksoftirqd/0 hogging ~50% CPU all the time during the transfer. Nov 05 19:33:54 PaulFertser: sure, i think the Trolltech guys quite overcomplicated it... But it was even worse before :) Nov 05 19:34:24 radekp_: another cosmetic issue is that the aux button visibly prints colour ^@ on top of the the framebuffer Nov 05 19:36:40 radekp_: i also had hard time charging the unit but GNUtoo showed me http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2012-May/002396.html , that message seems old enough but seemingly the issue is still here, having gta04 connected to PC, then charging suddenly stops, and when i reconnect USB there's nothing in dmesg and device continues to discharge. :( Nov 05 19:38:23 radekp_: ah, and one rather important thing: i needed to edit a file so i typed "vi" and it wasn't there. I tried "ed" and even that wasn't there. That made me feel a bit uneasy, editing files on a Unix system is rather important to me. Nov 05 19:40:00 PaulFertser: well i sent mail about the charging issue to ML and Neil but noone fixed this until now - i think if you have new and fresh battery charging works well. No i am using older battery and i am getting the problem too Nov 05 19:40:10 radekp_: qtmoko feels really responsive, fast, and looks nice (my SO approved), all in all, i'm truely impressed by your (and of course the other contributors') efforts :) Nov 05 19:40:38 PaulFertser: there is nano installed, if that is good enough for you... Nov 05 19:41:01 radekp_: my battery's brand new, and btw the kernel log is flooded by "not calibrated, not using capacity" messages. Nov 05 19:41:08 radekp, hi, when I tried qtmoko on the GTA04 long time ago, the volume during call couldn't be made loud enough Nov 05 19:41:19 is it fixed now? Nov 05 19:41:21 radekp_: under no circumstances will i use nano. Nov 05 19:41:27 GNUtoo: hi, only for A4 models :( Nov 05 19:41:34 ah ok Nov 05 19:41:35 PaulFertser: :) Nov 05 19:41:52 radekp, did you look into hardware echo cancelation for the A3? Nov 05 19:42:11 like all AT_ that there are in the manual of the GTA04? Nov 05 19:42:12 PaulFertser: well maybe we can install vim by default - if it's not too big Nov 05 19:42:53 radekp_: really, i'm quite mad at it. Being modeless it breaks standard modeless keybindings that are in use everywhere else (GNU Readline etc) for no decent reason at all, so i'd rather use "ed" even. Nov 05 19:43:03 radekp_: well, "ed" is the standard unix text editor, and it's very small. Nov 05 19:43:07 GNUtoo: i tried them but it didnt work for me - to me it looks like the echo cancellation is only done by modem when the sound is routed by HW Nov 05 19:43:22 ah ok Nov 05 19:43:25 vim-tiny in Debian is also skinny, there's also vi-compatible busybox implementation. Nov 05 19:43:32 maybe I should look at the logs of the modem when I try then Nov 05 19:44:10 PaulFertser: i would prefer vim-tiny then - i can use nano and vim, but i dont want to learn ed... Nov 05 19:44:45 GNUtoo: it would be nice - there are still quite many A3 users... Nov 05 19:45:09 PaulFertser: the jffs2 is now included https://github.com/radekp/linux-2.6/commit/d469ae442081cba09b5d7b1f9abaf006aaed698f Nov 05 19:45:25 do you know very well the GTA02? if so the audio jack can be used as serial port to the modem and there are debug messages Nov 05 19:45:29 PaulFertser: i can build the package later Nov 05 19:45:34 radekp_: yay, thanks! :) Nov 05 19:45:43 well I've the same thing in software for the GTA04 Nov 05 19:45:59 so that may give some indications Nov 05 19:46:06 for instance you get the ARFCN you're on etc.... Nov 05 19:49:00 radekp, it's _OPCMPROF or there are better ones? Nov 05 19:49:29 GNUtoo: i havent found anothing better Nov 05 19:49:32 ok Nov 05 19:49:32 radekp_: the keyboard is really easy to use, feels quite comfortable. But i miss some fast way to show/hide it in the terminal and also sometimes there're artifacts (like typed letters missing or something like that) on the line i'm editing on the terminal. Nov 05 19:49:37 also how to test the echo? Nov 05 19:49:42 any good test procedure? Nov 05 19:50:24 PaulFertser: i know - would like to implement hiding/chaning size with swipe gesture, but didnt have time yet... Nov 05 19:50:46 GNUtoo: i was testing by making call Nov 05 19:51:28 PaulFertser: basically i am now trying to upgrade to latest Qt (4.8.3) and get ringtones 100% reliable and working Nov 05 19:51:34 GNUtoo: with gta02 i simply called myself from the landline while being connected via usb and changing parameters in alsamixer. Tried with different %Nxxxx settings. Also i found out that without the screws in the case i get much less echo. Unfortunately, the case seems to be the main reason for the echo on gta02. Nov 05 19:51:55 radekp_: yeah, i've read your mail about that on community ML. Nov 05 19:52:09 PaulFertser, I've removed the screws for debugging purposes..... Nov 05 19:52:15 PaulFertser: i am quite focused on this for few monts so ignoring all else except ready patches or small things Nov 05 19:52:41 radekp_: if the terminal had the same "keyboard" button on the bottom bar that would be fine too. It appears when one is editing "edit" boxes in dialogs. Nov 05 19:52:42 yes but the problem is that with landline + gta02 really close it creates an enormous echo Nov 05 19:52:58 unlike the normal one that is smaller Nov 05 19:53:42 GNUtoo: hm, it didn't for me, i didn't use speakerphone. Do you have any explanation about why you think that this test is flawed? Nov 05 19:53:53 GNUtoo: i was using my wife and her phone few rooms away from me :) Nov 05 19:54:23 PaulFertser, because if I talk it comes in the 2 phones at once Nov 05 19:55:09 GNUtoo: my landline phone doesn't add any echo itself. Nov 05 19:56:06 And that's a normal usecase: when someone calls me it's basically the same as if i call myself from a fixed phone, i can't see any difference. Nov 05 19:56:22 Even without screws the case seems to be contributing to the echo really too much :( Nov 05 19:56:51 _OPCMENABLE is hardware routing? Nov 05 20:00:29 I do not remember for sure but probably in my tests with the front case panel removed (so without the earphone) there was no echo at all and that almost "proves" all the echo issues are due to the bad case design. Nov 05 20:02:48 radekp_, something's wrong here: in SHR I call the 4242 which is a voice menu from my provider and I ear echo Nov 05 20:03:04 PaulFertser: as for the sshd - there is one simple fix - just /etc/init.d/sshd stop before the wifi is started? Nov 05 20:03:08 I mean I'm not suposed to ear me back in theses kind of voice menu Nov 05 20:03:26 maybe my alsa scenarios are wrong? Nov 05 20:03:30 GNUtoo: i had the same problem in QtMoko Nov 05 20:03:56 GNUtoo: erm still have - i was also quite surprised... Nov 05 20:04:21 radekp_: that'd be too strange for my taste. Why not add an iptables rule? I know there's no proper Debian-way but you're using it in a special manner anyway. Nov 05 20:04:51 maybe it's a software bug? Nov 05 20:05:45 also I tried _OPCMPROF={0,1,2,3} in call Nov 05 20:05:55 it cuts the sound when I do it Nov 05 20:06:00 PaulFertser: oki, would you like to send me the rule - on ML, IRC or bug tracker? I dont think i will have now time myself to do and test it... Nov 05 20:06:02 sound stop comming Nov 05 20:06:09 it has to be done before the call.... Nov 05 20:06:26 radekp_: sure, will do. Nov 05 20:06:37 nice thanks :) Nov 05 20:07:19 also the 4242 is free here, but not other numbers such as voicemail Nov 05 20:07:21 PaulFertser: btw i have personally the biggest problem with battery life on GTA04 - it quite sucks IMO, it was so much better on GTA02 Nov 05 20:07:43 radekp_, same battery I guess Nov 05 20:08:32 radekp_, is there a thread about the echo in call with a remote party that is a voice menu? Nov 05 20:08:36 GNUtoo: yup - my GTA02 can live easily 4 days on one charge, with GTA04 i have to take care at least 2x per day if the battery is ok Nov 05 20:08:54 same usage scenario? Nov 05 20:09:01 GNUtoo: hmm probably not Nov 05 20:09:06 because the GTA04 is much more attractive to use...... Nov 05 20:09:14 so you tend to use it more Nov 05 20:09:20 and for more demanding stuff Nov 05 20:09:42 well i have 2 scenarios - either i am hacking on GTA04 and have it plugged all the day in USB - this is fine Nov 05 20:09:45 radekp_: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i ! usb0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP Nov 05 20:10:19 radekp_: i noticed gta04 hogs power like mad, that's a kernel issue most probably... Nov 05 20:10:36