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Jan 17 05:58:58 <impulse> is there a way to run a script when i receive an sms?
Jan 17 06:35:57 <mmagcww> Hello, hope this one isn't going to get me shunned - what's going on with my shell, I cannot find it and when I creat a user it complains about not being able to find bash at /bin/bash - Am I to install bash at this point? If I check the environment variable for the $SHELL I get nothing for root. Yes, I've looked into it, though I figure I could be spending my time better if I had a clear answer already
Jan 17 06:38:48 <mmagcww> I figured out why I like this SHR so much, it's a Linux phone in your pocket - So that's what that feels like
Jan 17 06:40:31 <mmagcww> I'm not an idiot, I'm developing
Jan 17 06:49:35 <mmagcww> I'm off to bed, busy day tomorrow for me, if you'd be so kind as to offer your advice, that would be great.  
Jan 17 06:55:20 <PaulFertser> mmagcww: are you creating a user with /bin/bash set for the shell? Why?
Jan 17 06:55:32 <PaulFertser> mmagcww: or if you want bash, then just install bash.
Jan 17 06:55:38 <PaulFertser> mmagcww: i can't understand your question
Jan 17 07:03:18 <mmagcww> PaulFertser: I didn't change the default when I created the user, and I have no idea what is being used for the shell at this time. The documentation needs to be updated, maybe I can help right a good manual for the HTC Dream as go along, I've never contributed to Gnu/Linux in any other way before, so it could be a starting point. 
Jan 17 07:04:39 <mmagcww> you know, a manual for the layman
Jan 17 07:07:38 <mmagcww> As well, I'd like to write a section of advanced keyboard use with the HTC Dream. I want to figure out how to link up the keys, maybe that will be something I can handle. I've attempted this sort of thing in the past, tried to get going with C but then got side tracked, I'm going to give it a go again
Jan 17 07:08:38 <PaulFertser> mmagcww: ``ls -l /bin/sh'' should tell you what shell is present currently. I guess that's busybox's shell. You can use it for new users too.
Jan 17 07:11:26 <mmagcww> PaulFertser: That's strange, I've always seen that over the years, don't know why I didn't link that up in my head. Well good to know, I'll mess around with it tomorrow. 
Jan 17 07:12:39 <PaulFertser> mmagcww: good night :)
Jan 17 07:13:15 <mmagcww> PaulFester: thanks
Jan 17 09:21:49 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, hello
Jan 17 09:22:08 <GNUtoo-x60> hi
Jan 17 09:22:21 <ayaka> do you know s3c6410?
Jan 17 09:22:56 <GNUtoo-x60> I know s3c2442
Jan 17 09:23:00 <ayaka> I am confused with its platform, OMAP, MSM or others?
Jan 17 09:23:07 <GNUtoo-x60> it's samsung
Jan 17 09:23:22 <GNUtoo-x60> it's not omap and not msm
Jan 17 09:23:25 <GNUtoo-x60> it's something else
Jan 17 09:23:34 <GNUtoo-x60> it's an old samsung platform
Jan 17 09:24:12 <ayaka> how about its development? does it have many documents?
Jan 17 09:24:25 <GNUtoo-x60> I don't know
Jan 17 09:24:32 <ayaka> I just get one pdf from website
Jan 17 09:24:41 <GNUtoo-x60> I have the datasheet of s3c2442B
Jan 17 09:24:52 <GNUtoo-x60> but I don't have an s3c6410
Jan 17 09:24:59 <GNUtoo-x60> so I didn't look for the datasheet
Jan 17 09:25:08 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, go to for dinner, thank you very much, brb
Jan 17 10:21:32 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, back, how do you think about samsung platform in a gernel sense
Jan 17 10:35:27 <ayaka> and I may usb JTAG this time, which jtag software do you recommand?
Jan 17 10:37:07 <lindi-> ayaka: is there something else than openocd?
Jan 17 10:38:42 <ayaka> lindi-, yes, like urjtag
Jan 17 10:39:23 <ayaka> are you  using openocd? maybe I will choose this
Jan 17 10:41:23 <lindi-> ayaka: documentation explicitly says "UrJTAG does not support debugging yet."
Jan 17 10:43:13 <ayaka> lindi-, I know that, acutally, I don't whether I will use it for debugging, I may only use it for flashing
Jan 17 10:43:36 <lindi-> ayaka: oh, I use dfu for flashing my openmoko
Jan 17 10:44:43 <ayaka> lindi-, Development FirmwareUpgrade ?
Jan 17 10:44:55 <lindi-> ayaka: ?
Jan 17 10:48:36 <ayaka> lindi-, what do you mean dfu?
Jan 17 10:49:11 <stefan_schmidt_w> ayaka: device firmware upgrade, an USB spec
Jan 17 10:49:29 <lindi-> ayaka: dfu is the normal way to flash openmoko
Jan 17 10:49:53 <ayaka> ok I see, but most of devices doesn't support it
Jan 17 10:50:18 <lindi-> ayaka: well, you better specify what device you are talking about :)
Jan 17 10:50:52 <ayaka> yes, but it doesn't matter now
Jan 17 10:51:09 <ayaka> stefan_schmidt_w, lindi- thank you
Jan 17 11:12:52 <GNUtoo-x60> stefan_schmidt_w, hi
Jan 17 11:13:11 <stefan_schmidt_w> hi GNUtoo-x60 
Jan 17 11:15:04 <GNUtoo-x60> how's your work going?
Jan 17 11:16:31 <stefan_schmidt_w> GNUtoo-x60: slowly but steady :)
Jan 17 11:16:42 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Jan 17 11:34:44 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, do you have some idea in usb gadgett driver developing ?
Jan 17 11:35:10 <ayaka> I mean have even developed usb gadgett driver
Jan 17 12:06:42 <GNUtoo-x60> ayaka, what was the real question about gadget?
Jan 17 13:04:39 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, I want to write SPI driver for ch341 chip, I readed the serial driver of ch341, I find it may use vender usb control request, I want to know how to get that info
Jan 17 13:05:19 <GNUtoo-x60> ah ok
Jan 17 13:05:31 <GNUtoo-x60> there are probably some presentations about that on the web
Jan 17 13:05:38 <GNUtoo-x60> I'm not sure if they're still up to date
Jan 17 13:05:55 <GNUtoo-x60> if you want to write a gadget driver
Jan 17 13:10:46 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, I have readed docs many times( it only for windows) it doesn't have, can I ask the writer of serial part of ch341 for help ?
Jan 17 13:12:53 <ayaka> P.S usb serial device is not a gadget device ?
Jan 17 13:18:07 <GNUtoo-x60> I don't understand what you want to do
Jan 17 13:20:00 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60,  can I email Boris Hajduk <boris@hajduk.org>
Jan 17 13:20:00 <ayaka> , the writer of ch341.c for help? 
Jan 17 13:21:22 <GNUtoo-x60> I've no idea
Jan 17 13:21:42 <GNUtoo-x60> but usually it's common practice not to email people directly
Jan 17 13:21:53 <GNUtoo-x60> like email to the mailing list he's suscribed to
Jan 17 13:22:19 <GNUtoo-x60> try to see if the get maintainer .pl in the scripts dir of the kenrel can find such mailing list
Jan 17 13:22:42 <ayaka> ok, I see
Jan 17 13:26:37 <ayaka> I don't know this etiquette , so I ask you for sure, you know those custom well
Jan 17 13:26:46 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60,  thank you very much
Jan 17 13:26:51 <GNUtoo-x60> ok,np
Jan 17 13:29:12 <ayaka> but does usb gadget device include usb serial device?
Jan 17 13:30:02 <pabs3> yes, g_serial
Jan 17 13:31:06 <ayaka> but why gadget and serial are in the different directories of usb subdirectory in kernel source
Jan 17 13:33:00 <PaulFertser> ayaka: gadget drivers for a Linux device to behave as a usb _slave_ device.
Jan 17 13:33:52 <ayaka> PaulFertser, yes, I know that, you mean usb serial contain some devices as serial slave mode ?
Jan 17 13:37:15 <PaulFertser> ayaka: use serial contains drivers for usb serial converters (like ft232, cp2101 etc)
Jan 17 13:38:07 <ayaka> PaulFertser, oh, I see
Jan 17 13:42:39 <ayaka> pabs3,  PaulFertser  thank you
Jan 17 13:55:10 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60,  linux-usb@vger.kernel.org is a open list, I don't need to subscribe this list to mail to list, do I ?
Jan 17 13:58:32 <GNUtoo-x60> yes
Jan 17 13:59:18 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60,  but "Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:"
Jan 17 13:59:31 <GNUtoo-x60> suscribe
Jan 17 13:59:33 <GNUtoo-x60> and wait
Jan 17 13:59:41 <GNUtoo-x60> you'll receive a confirmation mail
Jan 17 13:59:47 <GNUtoo-x60> then activate in the confirmation
Jan 17 13:59:52 <GNUtoo-x60> or something like that
Jan 17 14:00:06 <GNUtoo-x60> is it mailman or the lkml interface?
Jan 17 14:00:41 <GNUtoo-x60> http://vger.kernel.org/
Jan 17 14:01:17 <GNUtoo-x60> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-usb
Jan 17 14:01:27 <GNUtoo-x60> it's the vger interface
Jan 17 14:06:11 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, so I still need suscribe, what is the meaning of open list ?
Jan 17 14:06:36 <GNUtoo-x60> anyway it's always better to suscribe
Jan 17 14:06:54 <GNUtoo-x60> where is it written that it's an open list?
Jan 17 14:08:13 <ayaka> linux-usb@vger.kernel.org (open list:USB SUBSYSTEM)
Jan 17 14:08:19 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, ^^
Jan 17 14:09:34 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Jan 17 14:09:42 <GNUtoo-x60> maybe it means that you don't need to register?
Jan 17 14:10:21 <GNUtoo-x60> or maybe it means that they are open to anyone who registers?
Jan 17 14:11:15 <ayaka> in my memories  vger interface used mail content as command
Jan 17 14:14:39 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, do you have a good way to manage mail list, more 100 mails a days making me heart stop
Jan 17 14:15:06 <GNUtoo-x60> there are ways but I don't use them
Jan 17 14:15:33 <GNUtoo-x60> I just use claws-mail
Jan 17 14:16:33 <ayaka> I use, I think mutt can also works, I will pay some time to get familar with it
Jan 17 14:19:00 <GNUtoo-x60> s/pay/spend/
Jan 17 14:20:01 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, thank you
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