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Jan 27 13:14:39 <morphis> PaulFertser: I don't have the time to look into the details of your patches but if you like I can push them
Jan 27 14:21:06 <ayaka> GNUtoo-m4a785t-m, could you do the test ?
Jan 27 15:10:02 <GNUtoo-x60> later, I'm deep in touchscreen now
Jan 27 15:57:46 <ayaka> GNUtoo-x60, thank you
Jan 27 15:57:53 <ayaka> I will leave soon
Jan 27 16:26:12 <PaulFertser> morphis: the first one about POFF is controversial because it "breaks" gta01 but otoh it allows me to release and request again the gsm resource as many times as i want. Others seem to be quite non-intrusive and doing the right thing to me, but i'm not a vala programmer and not a python programmer and not an FSO developer.
Jan 27 16:26:58 <PaulFertser> morphis: i think i'd also make fsobasics not include the current and the $HOME directory in the search pathes for config files, it's too unexpected if you do not remember about that "feature". Would you vote for such a change?
Jan 27 16:30:03 <morphis> PaulFertser: I never used the home-directory for storing the FSO config files
Jan 27 16:30:34 <morphis> but we can change the behaviour of FSO if you like
Jan 27 16:32:17 <PaulFertser> morphis: hm, i'm afraid you're missing the context here. What i meant is that if i, say, occassionally copied fsogsmd.conf to my $HOME or if i happen to start fsogsmd manually from some other directory with fsogsmd.conf present, it'll prefer that file to the one in the standard location.
Jan 27 16:33:23 <morphis> it should always prefer the config file in the current directory it is launched from
Jan 27 16:33:34 <PaulFertser> It does that.
Jan 27 16:33:59 <PaulFertser> And if there's no config file in the current directory it tries ~/fsogsmd.conf
Jan 27 16:34:51 <PaulFertser> Not knowing (or having forgotten) about that feature, i was tricked at least twice trying to understand why it wasn't honouring the changes i was making to config files in canonical location.
Jan 27 16:35:18 <PaulFertser> I can't remember any other tool that would do that. 
Jan 27 16:36:17 <morphis> yeah, and that was what I meant: I ok with removing the use of the config file storing in the home directory
Jan 27 16:36:23 <morphis> I doubt somebody ever used this
Jan 27 16:37:28 <PaulFertser> What about the current directory?
Jan 27 17:05:30 <morphis> it's good for testing purposes
Jan 27 17:17:43 <PaulFertser> I understand that it might be good but it's only good if always remember about it. Probably it'd be good enough if it printed out the full path to the used config file to stderr and INFO logs.
Jan 27 17:22:26 <morphis> PaulFertser: thats a really good idea
Jan 27 17:29:43 <DocScrutinizer05> it'd be best to have a cmdline option to point to the config file to use
Jan 27 17:31:39 <DocScrutinizer05> you also could check an env for filename of config file to use
Jan 27 17:32:54 <DocScrutinizer05> conffile=./fsogsmd.conf fsogsmd
Jan 27 17:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> common good practice
Jan 27 17:34:08 <PaulFertser> Yeah
Jan 27 17:34:17 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: good evening, Doc :)
Jan 27 17:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> hi!
Jan 27 17:38:58 <DocScrutinizer05> incredible how maemo again and again gives me deja-vu from OM
Jan 27 17:41:02 <DocScrutinizer05> btw nobody of you guys noticed that wiki.openmoko.org been slow like continent shift during last ~9 months?
Jan 27 17:41:53 <jake42> DocScrutinizer05: notice, yes
Jan 27 17:42:16 <jake42> s/notice/notived/
Jan 27 17:42:16 <apt> jake42 meant: DocScrutinizer05: notived, yes
Jan 27 17:42:31 <jake42> s/notice/noticed/
Jan 27 17:42:32 <apt> jake42 meant: DocScrutinizer05: noticed, yes
Jan 27 17:42:39 <jake42> arg..
Jan 27 17:42:49 <PaulFertser> morphis: now that is a really strange calypso behaviour: apparently it sometimes emits +CREG even if it was disabled: http://pastebin.com/eQGrPFww
Jan 27 17:42:52 <jake42> but it was still fast enough to pull some info from it
Jan 27 17:43:01 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: yes, slow...
Jan 27 17:43:42 <DocScrutinizer05> https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/bhavani/devi.openmoko.org/processes.html  https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/bhavani/bhavani.openmoko.org/cpu.html
Jan 27 17:43:47 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
Jan 27 17:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> If I wouldn't check once a year...
Jan 27 17:55:18 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks to Harald Welte to actually have a look at it after I IRCed him. My accounts vanished during migration
Jan 27 18:24:30 <nomeata> PaulFertser: Hi. Walter Brill said that you had issues with xmonad on your freerunner
Jan 27 18:24:56 <PaulFertser> nomeata: hi :)
Jan 27 18:25:07 <PaulFertser> nomeata: nice to meet you again
Jan 27 18:25:14 <PaulFertser> nomeata: hope you're doing fine
Jan 27 18:25:20 <nomeata> so far so god
Jan 27 18:25:22 <nomeata> *good
Jan 27 18:25:27 <PaulFertser> Oh god!
Jan 27 18:25:28 <PaulFertser> :)
Jan 27 18:26:30 <PaulFertser> nomeata: what i meant is that i'm looking for a sane WM environment to replace buggy e17, and so i naturally considered XMonad. I know you did it as a proof-of-concept several years ago (but if i understand it right, you've basically just compiled it, not made it useable). 
Jan 27 18:27:48 <nomeata> PaulFertser: exact. And I’m not sure what it would mean to make it usable on such a device
Jan 27 18:29:44 <PaulFertser> nomeata: i think it's not that hard. I'm envisioning something with e17-like window handling but better: dzen with xdotool-spiced areas to switch to the next or previous window (in Full layout) plus a toggleable Dock that would hold xvkbd when you activate it. It doesn't look that hard.
Jan 27 18:31:57 <PaulFertser> nomeata: btw (since i've got a chance to ask an expert), here's a line from the most famous "mouse-friendly" config: ``clickable . (map dzenEscape) $ ["1","2","3","4","5"]'' (Thayer Williams') . Does it make any sense at all, shouldn't it be just ``clickable ["1","2","3","4","5"]'' ?
Jan 27 18:33:24 <nomeata> PaulFertser: according to http://xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/src/XMonad-Hooks-DynamicLog.html#dzenEscape, as long as there is no "^" in the strings, both are equivalent.
Jan 27 18:33:56 <nomeata> Maybe you should send a mail to the xmonad mailing list, maybe someone there is interested in working out a finger friendly xmonad configuration.
Jan 27 18:38:32 <PaulFertser> nomeata: (both are equivalent) heh, i can't imagine why one would use a name with ^ in a workspace tag anyway, so that looked really strange :)
Jan 27 18:39:45 <nomeata> better safe than sorry, I guess
Jan 27 18:41:05 <PaulFertser> nomeata: do you really mean that i might simply ask and describe what i want and someone might write a real working tested config for me? :)
Jan 27 18:41:40 <nomeata> PaulFertser: you never know :-)
Jan 27 18:42:00 <nomeata> If you advertise your idea good enough to make someone interested?
Jan 27 18:44:51 <PaulFertser> nomeata: what phone are you using yourself btw? It looks like almost all of those who had a need for a cellphone are now either stuck with n900/n9 or some android (meh). I doubt anyone (but me) actually wants and can run XMonad on a phone (or even on a tablet, or else there would be more mouse-friendly examples).
Jan 27 18:45:50 <nomeata> PaulFertser: http://abouthandphone-infor.blogspot.de/2009/07/siemens-s35-smart-phone-with-horn-out.html
Jan 27 18:53:45 <PaulFertser> Eh, so i can't read it without JS
Jan 27 18:55:31 <PaulFertser> Firefox showed me fancy old stuff :)
Jan 27 18:55:43 <PaulFertser> I have nokia 1100 too but i rarely use it.
Jan 27 19:03:09 <PaulFertser> nomeata: thank you for coming here :)
Jan 27 19:19:09 <nomeata> np
Jan 27 19:19:29 <nomeata> and sorry for the JS-infested page, it was the first hit on google images
Jan 27 19:25:36 <PaulFertser> np :)
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