**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 01 02:59:58 2013
Feb 01 03:25:57 <pabs3> hmm, the gta04 manual was produced on OSX
Feb 01 06:56:32 <PaulFertser> pabs3: i can try to prepare packaging (since you say that might help people to start using fso-el, even though apt-get install doesn't differ much from a single wget for such a humble project) but who will "sponsor" (in Debian sense) it?
Feb 01 06:57:15 <pabs3> perhaps the pkg-fso team would do that
Feb 01 06:57:35 * pabs3 not an emacs user
Feb 01 07:00:40 <PaulFertser> morphis: hi. So you've decided to not include my latest gta02 patches in the release?
Feb 01 07:00:56 <PaulFertser> Now the pkg-fso team would package 0.12 without them and that would be bad for gta02 users.
Feb 01 07:02:21 <PaulFertser> morphis: the problem is that it seems like nobody's actually testing the code, the fixes i've made were for obvious and "glaring" issues.
Feb 01 07:04:22 <PaulFertser> pabs3: are you a member of the pkg-fso team?
Feb 01 07:05:14 <PaulFertser> Is gta02 a priority target for them?
Feb 01 07:08:51 <PaulFertser> morphis: i'm not sure why and how the decision to release was made, i've seen no discussions here and on the mailing list...
Feb 01 07:12:21 <PaulFertser> morphis: so i'm kind of stunned to see you make a release knowing that there're still some very serious issues for gta02 and in general (CPU resource race). I do not care if my patches fix the problem or someone else's. I just want to have something that works fine. And judging by the commit log for the 0.12 it won't work fine, so why do you release it?
Feb 01 07:16:30 <pabs3> PaulFertser: no. not really sure about their priorities, but I guess its high on the list
Feb 01 07:25:30 <PaulFertser> And there's another serious issue that needs to be fixed
Feb 01 07:49:16 <lindi-> PaulFertser: that's why I am using such an old version of ogsmd and not even bothering to upgrade all the time
Feb 01 07:49:56 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i understand. Your usecase is a bit different from mine though.
Feb 01 07:50:22 <PaulFertser> lindi-: btw, do you know anything about +CMT vs +CMTI? Why the calypso sometimes deliver message directly and sometimes stores on SIM?
Feb 01 07:50:44 <lindi-> PaulFertser: not by heart no
Feb 01 07:50:48 <lindi-> and too busy right now
Feb 01 07:51:10 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'll ping you later about that if you do not mind then, tia :)
Feb 01 08:18:20 <morphis> PaulFertser: I did the release cause I already had every ready when you send your patches (means tarballs, patches, etc.)
Feb 01 08:18:43 <morphis> PaulFertser: but don't argue, there will be the 0.13 really soon
Feb 01 08:20:47 <PaulFertser> morphis: i'm not arguing just a bit "surprised"
Feb 01 08:23:12 <PaulFertser> morphis: something nasty's going on with the messages. Calypso insists on storing on SIM even if it had reported the same message with +CMT: unsol just a moment before.
Feb 01 08:25:31 <PaulFertser> morphis: http://paste.debian.net/230917/
Feb 01 08:27:22 <morphis> PaulFertser: seems like there is a bug in the SIM storage logic
Feb 01 08:27:31 <morphis> we rework some parts of it last year
Feb 01 08:28:58 <morphis> we're configuring some parts at early modem initialization different
Feb 01 08:29:01 <morphis> as before
Feb 01 08:29:59 <PaulFertser> morphis: what command might affect calypso then?
Feb 01 08:30:17 <morphis> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=blob;f=fsogsmd/src/lib/at/atsms.vala;h=805fe4e03757f842872a3a1895122609c4d00a78;hb=HEAD#l127
Feb 01 08:32:32 <PaulFertser> morphis: "[DEBUG] FsoGsmAtSmsHandler <250997500793162>: Skipping SMS acknowledgement because it's disabled" <--- ok, now i understand i need to think about this, ok
Feb 01 08:33:51 <PaulFertser> morphis: thank you, now i understand what's happening!
Feb 01 08:34:10 <morphis> np
Feb 01 08:38:27 <PaulFertser> morphis: but what is the reasoning behind not acknowledging a +CMT: unsol ever? How does it help?
Feb 01 08:47:27 <PaulFertser> morphis: so, basically, i now know how to hack it to work but of course i'm willing to test (or even implement) a proper solution.
Feb 01 09:03:12 <PaulFertser> morphis: i think if i do not disable sending acknoledgements, it'll work just fine as it did before even though the generic code would think there's something wrong with the message handling. It's too early for calypso to accept those commands you're talking about.
Feb 01 09:19:40 <PaulFertser> But +CNMA never worked on calypso anyway.
Feb 01 09:19:48 <PaulFertser> (judging by my logs)
Feb 01 09:37:51 <PaulFertser> Yes, CNMA doesn't help anything :/
Feb 01 09:42:10 <PaulFertser> So there's something else needed.
Feb 01 09:42:20 <PaulFertser> Apparently the modem expects some reply to CMT:
Feb 01 09:42:25 <PaulFertser> But CNMA=0 fails
Feb 01 09:42:32 <PaulFertser> And it later stores the message on sim.
Feb 01 09:42:33 <PaulFertser> Meh
Feb 01 09:42:37 <PaulFertser> CNMA=0 always failed
Feb 01 09:42:43 <PaulFertser> But it didn't store it on sim.
Feb 01 09:42:49 <PaulFertser> I can't see the difference
Feb 01 12:47:26 <Thamos> Hi,
Feb 01 12:47:49 <Thamos> do i have to use python 2.6 to compile myselft, or should 2.7 work, too?
Feb 01 12:48:28 <Thamos> (to compile shr, i meant)
Feb 01 12:51:27 <Thamos> cause everytime i get an error, that it can't find a module namend curses
Feb 01 12:51:42 <JaMa> please show complete log
Feb 01 12:51:55 <JaMa> and myselft is just typo, not some project right?
Feb 01 12:52:39 <Thamos> not some project. i wanted to try an mess with the emacs...
Feb 01 12:53:49 <Thamos> http://pastebin.com/4Agjgupa
Feb 01 12:53:51 <JaMa> ok, good
Feb 01 12:54:08 <JaMa> using shr-chroot?
Feb 01 12:54:18 <Thamos> no, i cant on this computer
Feb 01 12:54:23 <Thamos> its at university...
Feb 01 12:54:38 <JaMa> then you have to install python-ncurses module
Feb 01 12:54:51 <Thamos> k, i tell the admin.
Feb 01 12:54:59 <JaMa> shr-chroot is using python-2.7 so it should work (2.6 as well)
Feb 01 12:55:12 <Thamos> there  they use 2.7
Feb 01 12:55:37 <Thamos> on Webpage was instruction, that i would need 2.6, because auf that i asked
Feb 01 12:56:02 <JaMa> you will probably need few more utils/libs to complete build so probably check if everything is available before asking admin
Feb 01 12:56:06 <JaMa> which webpage?
Feb 01 12:56:20 <Thamos> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building_SHR_without_chroot
Feb 01 12:56:54 <Thamos> do you know an direct command to get all installed librarys from python?
Feb 01 12:56:56 <JaMa> ok, that's only old info, can you update it?
Feb 01 12:57:08 <Thamos> just the python2.6 part
Feb 01 12:57:18 <Thamos> because rest i don't know.
Feb 01 12:57:20 <Thamos> i will.
Feb 01 12:57:35 <Thamos> i will update...
Feb 01 12:57:37 <JaMa> dpkg -l
Feb 01 12:57:45 <JaMa> thanks
Feb 01 12:58:02 <JaMa> just change that to python2.6 or python2.7
Feb 01 12:58:10 <JaMa> because 3.* does not work yet
Feb 01 12:58:11 <Thamos> and i will add ncurses, then.
Feb 01 12:59:09 <JaMa> hmm and those URLs for repositories are also incorrect now
Feb 01 13:00:12 <Thamos> are they correct in the Makefile?
Feb 01 13:00:22 <Thamos> then i will extract them there and correct, too.
Feb 01 13:00:34 <JaMa> yes Makefile is always correct
Feb 01 13:03:57 <JaMa> URLs updated on wiki
Feb 01 13:04:08 <PaulFertser> Thamos: hi. I've solved the extra wakeups issue but i can't understand why messages are not properly delivered with +CMT: unsols and rather fill up the SIM until it's full :(
Feb 01 13:04:41 <Thamos> ;(
Feb 01 13:05:16 <Thamos> seems to be hard. If you need logs, i can supply more...
Feb 01 13:06:46 <Thamos> JaMa: and i were still in the Makefile ^^
Feb 01 13:08:09 <PaulFertser> Thamos: do you also have a problem with messages?
Feb 01 13:08:58 <Thamos> PaulFertser: Yes, the fill up my sim-card. I alwas have to delete them with dbus manually.
Feb 01 13:09:02 <Thamos> every 20 sms
Feb 01 13:09:23 <Thamos> sometimes i get them doubled in sms-storage
Feb 01 13:09:53 <Thamos> and long sms writing where a problem long time ago, since them i avoided them...
Feb 01 13:13:22 <Thamos> JaMa: i think they use SUSE, dpkg is not installed. Since i could compile it half a year ago, i simply hope they have everything else still installed.
Feb 01 13:22:13 <Thamos> damnit, they have python-devel repos deaktivated...
Feb 01 13:30:04 <PaulFertser> Thamos: long messages seem to work fine for me though.
Feb 01 13:30:25 <PaulFertser> Thamos: this message filling simcard problem is something i really want to beat :E
Feb 01 13:30:36 <Thamos> ok, this i haven't tested for a long time, may be working now.
Feb 01 13:30:48 <Thamos> yeah,, its annoying
Feb 01 13:31:03 <Thamos> and should NOT be impossible...
Feb 01 14:02:29 <Thamos> PaulFertser: Do you think the filling simcard is related to the double reciving of sms?
Feb 01 16:02:41 <PaulFertser> Thamos: is your /var/tmp on a volatile storage?
Feb 01 16:23:10 <GNUtoo-x60> slyon, hi
Feb 01 16:24:18 <slyon> hi GNUtoo-x60!
Feb 01 16:24:28 <GNUtoo-x60> are you in brussels?
Feb 01 16:24:32 <GNUtoo-x60> because I am right now
Feb 01 16:24:46 <GNUtoo-x60> I'm downloading the brussel map to put in my gta04
Feb 01 16:24:48 <slyon> GNUtoo-x60, did you already arrive in brussels
Feb 01 16:24:54 <GNUtoo-x60> yes
Feb 01 16:25:03 <slyon> yes I'm here since 13:00
Feb 01 16:25:23 <slyon> cmair is with me. and hns will arrive soon
Feb 01 16:27:01 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 01 16:27:12 <GNUtoo-x60> it would be a good idea to meet
Feb 01 16:27:16 <GNUtoo-x60> what do you think?
Feb 01 16:27:57 <GNUtoo-x60> where are you exactly?
Feb 01 16:28:02 <GNUtoo-x60> do you need my phone number?
Feb 01 16:30:25 <GNUtoo-x60> and what should I bring with me?
Feb 01 16:30:32 <GNUtoo-x60> I've a very small laptop (x60)
Feb 01 16:32:25 <GNUtoo-x60> slyon, ^^^
Feb 01 16:34:36 <GNUtoo-x60> slyon, ping?
Feb 01 16:36:26 <slyon> GNUtoo-x60, we're at hotel argus (place louise)
Feb 01 16:36:42 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 01 16:36:52 <slyon> would you like to come here?
Feb 01 16:36:57 <GNUtoo-x60> yes
Feb 01 16:37:06 <GNUtoo-x60> but it will take some time
Feb 01 16:37:09 <GNUtoo-x60> I'm at uccle
Feb 01 16:37:12 <slyon> ok
Feb 01 16:37:21 <GNUtoo-x60> do you need my phone number?
Feb 01 16:38:18 <slyon> no. I've got it
Feb 01 16:38:25 <slyon> you've got mine as well, right?
Feb 01 16:38:30 <GNUtoo-x60> no
Feb 01 16:38:39 <GNUtoo-x60> let me see
Feb 01 16:38:56 <slyon> you got PM
Feb 01 16:39:09 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 01 16:39:43 <slyon> so just let my phone ringe for a few seconds when you're here and I will come down to the hotel lobby?
Feb 01 16:39:44 <JaMa> slyon: feel free to merge the rest of backports
Feb 01 16:39:50 <slyon> JaMa, ok thanks
Feb 01 16:39:58 <slyon> probably after FOSDEM
Feb 01 16:40:26 <GNUtoo-x60> slyon, ok
Feb 01 16:40:47 <GNUtoo-x60> slyon, also what should I bring? the small laptop + a bag
Feb 01 16:40:57 <GNUtoo-x60> I'll do that
Feb 01 16:41:00 <ccxCZ> GNUtoo-x60: hi
Feb 01 16:41:02 <slyon> sounds good
Feb 01 16:41:55 <ccxCZ> will you come to the pub today?
Feb 01 16:42:15 <ccxCZ> I think I owe you beer for all the support :-)
Feb 01 16:42:19 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 01 16:42:31 <GNUtoo-x60> maybe join us with slyon
Feb 01 16:42:54 <GNUtoo-x60> since going there takes a while from here I must go now, so please contact slyon
Feb 01 16:43:02 <ccxCZ> I'm just dinnering
Feb 01 16:43:11 <GNUtoo-x60> ah?
Feb 01 16:43:18 <GNUtoo-x60> I need to eat early too
Feb 01 16:43:27 <GNUtoo-x60> because I didn't eat a lot today
Feb 01 16:43:31 <ccxCZ> will be there in >1h >2h possibly
Feb 01 16:43:43 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 01 16:44:09 <ccxCZ> hmm, you staying near place louise too?
Feb 01 16:44:13 <slyon> yes... we can go out for dinner once hns arrived as well
Feb 01 16:45:30 <slyon> ccxCZ, we're staying near place louse, yes
Feb 01 16:45:39 <slyon> s/louse/louise/
Feb 01 16:45:40 <apt> slyon meant: ccxCZ, we're staying near place louise, yes
Feb 01 16:46:11 <GNUtoo-x60> I'll go
Feb 01 16:46:27 <GNUtoo-x60> I'm at countryhouse near brugman in uccle
Feb 01 16:46:30 <ccxCZ> I would join you for the walk to the delirium cafe then, otherwise I'll need some other way to contact you
Feb 01 16:48:38 <slyon> ccxCZ, is there something special at the delirium cafe?
Feb 01 16:50:22 <ccxCZ> apart from https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/beerevent/?
Feb 01 16:52:05 <slyon> ccxCZ, ok. didn't realize that the beer-event takes place there
Feb 01 17:34:07 * Sicelo is trying out SHR on his N900. so far, unable to boot .. kernel panics while trying to mount root fs
Feb 01 17:40:43 <Sicelo> i guess i need to create an initrd
Feb 01 17:50:01 <Sicelo> hi GNUtoo-x60. 
Feb 01 17:51:09 <Sicelo> maybe you can help with shr on n900. the kernel provided throws the -110 error for mmc card. any 'quick' fix?
Feb 01 17:52:46 <GNUtoo-x60> hi
Feb 01 17:54:32 <GNUtoo-x60> which kernel? default SHR?
Feb 01 17:54:47 <Sicelo> yes. 2.6.37
Feb 01 17:55:20 <JaMa> Sicelo: which u-boot are you using?
Feb 01 17:56:59 <Sicelo> the 'new' one by Pali. i'm aware it can have issues, but note that the kernel does start ok, and can 'see' the internal emmc. it just fails to mount the roo fs on sd card
Feb 01 17:59:51 <Sicelo> are there any tools in shr to quickly produce an initrd? while testing linux-image-omap from debian.org, i found that an initrd which loads the mmc drivers early usually helps with this problem
Feb 01 18:09:15 <Sicelo> hmm, i see omap_hsmmc and mmc_block don't exist in shr's /lib/modules
Feb 01 18:09:18 <Sicelo> :-/
Feb 01 18:18:23 <Sicelo> brb.. trying to boot with flasher
Feb 01 18:54:38 <Sicelo> the 2.6.37 used in rescueOS works ok
Feb 01 18:54:50 <Sicelo> SHR is nice .. :)
Feb 01 18:55:17 <Sicelo> on my N900 failed to start modem, but it's still good
Feb 01 23:27:19 <Alex[sp3dev]> yo
Feb 01 23:27:39 <Alex[sp3dev]> anyone @fosdem?
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