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Feb 14 04:52:58 * pabs3 adds GNUtoo & lindi- to wiki admins
Feb 14 10:57:42 <TAsn> JaMa, does phabricator work for you now?
Feb 14 11:22:31 <JaMa> I've registered my account with locally modified html code to load that js, haven't tried it since then
Feb 14 11:49:42 <PaulFertser> TAsn: http://paulfertser.info/files/fso-el-screenshots/xmonad-xvkbd-dzen.png ;)
Feb 14 11:54:33 <TAsn> what am I seeing
Feb 14 11:54:39 <TAsn> a working keyboard? :)
Feb 14 11:54:47 <TAsn> JaMa, ah. ;(
Feb 14 11:54:50 <TAsn> JaMa, sorry for that.
Feb 14 12:07:06 <PaulFertser> TAsn: yeah, and the one that I can 1. understand fast 2. recompile easily. 3. tell how much space to use. I.e. I can fully fine-tune it. As a bonus, it has "quick modifiers" that make it very fast to press Control, Shift, Meta, Alt key combinations.
Feb 14 12:08:12 <PaulFertser> TAsn: and there's a working xmonad config that is heavily illume inspired but is much easier to fine-tune.
Feb 14 12:09:54 <TAsn> yeah
Feb 14 12:09:57 <TAsn> our keyboard is crap
Feb 14 12:10:01 <TAsn> this one looks good
Feb 14 12:10:02 <TAsn> :)
Feb 14 12:12:04 <PaulFertser> Illume keyboard is actually fancier in that it can "zoom in", and its smart algorithm for finding words in a dictionary is rather cool too.
Feb 14 12:14:16 <PaulFertser> And anyway it's part of E17 that is very hard to "mod" apparently. E17's architecture is cool, modular, the EDC (Lua now) idea was revolutional back then etc etc. And it looks nice. But... 
Feb 14 13:07:35 <rking> OK, I think it just got serious for me.
Feb 14 13:07:52 <rking> I lost my phone, which is a =(  but I think its replacement will make me =)
Feb 14 13:08:14 <rking> 1) If I understand correctly, I am no longer allowed to unlock a commercial phone in the U.S.
Feb 14 13:08:42 <rking> 2) I really like the large screen size of my previous phone (Galaxy Note II)
Feb 14 13:09:11 <rking> Is there any way I can get an open OS (more open than Android) on a phablet-sized device?
Feb 14 13:17:44 <TAsn> PaulFertser, sorry, had to go for a sec.
Feb 14 13:18:01 <TAsn> PaulFertser, (more than a sec)
Feb 14 13:18:06 <TAsn> PaulFertser, yeah, I agree though.
Feb 14 13:19:18 <GNUtoo-x60> PaulFertser, did someone merge your patches, I don't want to do the same error than last time whre It resulted in a non working frameworkd, so I try to make other people merge them when I don't understand the patch
Feb 14 13:19:46 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i meant to say "But all the coolness is very hard to take advantage of if you're not an E17 dev and can easily recompile it for your target"
Feb 14 13:19:57 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-x60: yes, dos1 merged those, thank you for caring.
Feb 14 13:20:58 <PaulFertser> TAsn: and especially if your usecase is different from the usecase it was developed for.
Feb 14 13:21:50 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-x60: frameworkd wasn't working due to an obvious syntax typo though
Feb 14 13:22:50 <TAsn> PaulFertser, yes.
Feb 14 13:22:57 <TAsn> PaulFertser, as someone that hacked on illume kbd before
Feb 14 13:22:58 <TAsn> I agree
Feb 14 13:24:25 <stefan_schmidt_w> TAsn: pff, don't agree. Fix illume-keyboard :)
Feb 14 13:24:41 <stefan_schmidt_w> TAsn: yeah, I'm also here. No way to hide from me
Feb 14 13:25:11 <TAsn> stefan_schmidt_w, shit!!! :)
Feb 14 13:25:22 <TAsn> stefan_schmidt_w, can't dh scratched me off the "maintainer" list
Feb 14 13:25:34 <GNUtoo-x60> PaulFertser, ok
Feb 14 13:25:59 <stefan_schmidt_w> TAsn: ah, right. Once its in a powerpoint file it is the truth. Its a Samsung rule, right?
Feb 14 13:26:11 <TAsn> stefan_schmidt_w, you know it is.
Feb 14 13:26:15 <asdfuser_w> Stop divulging internals
Feb 14 13:26:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> damn, he is also here
Feb 14 13:26:53 <asdfuser_w> You can run...
Feb 14 13:26:55 <stefan_schmidt_w> I was hoping to hide here. Enough to have both of you in a 2m radius next to my desk
Feb 14 13:27:20 <stefan_schmidt_w> asdfuser_w: ...but you know where I live now
Feb 14 13:27:21 <asdfuser_w> stefan_schmidt_w: Hide in #oe
Feb 14 13:27:33 <stefan_schmidt_w> asdfuser_w: done
Feb 14 13:28:05 * stefan_schmidt_w jumps through the channels like a bot hiding from the cleaner crew
Feb 14 13:36:18 <rking> D'oh. I found my phone.  Mixed feelings. =)
Feb 14 13:36:38 <rking> So am I correct in understanding that I'm legally not allowed to reinstall my own OS?
Feb 14 13:37:50 <GNUtoo-x60> stefan_schmidt_w, there is a new illume keyboard in the svn
Feb 14 13:38:04 <GNUtoo-x60> probably contributed by the ordissimo people
Feb 14 13:38:07 <asdfuser_w> rking: ianal, but I think as Samsung bootloaders are not locked you are not violating the DMCA (or whatever applies)
Feb 14 13:38:25 <stefan_schmidt_w> GNUtoo-x60: yeah, no idea if soebody besides them actually uses it
Feb 14 13:39:02 <GNUtoo-x60> stefan_schmidt_w, btw is samsung still in good health with all the fines in USA?
Feb 14 13:40:04 * GNUtoo-x60 hopes so because we really depend on them
Feb 14 13:40:37 <asdfuser_w> http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-08-27/industries/33405345_1_apple-patents-samsung-electronics-patent-infringement-claims
Feb 14 13:40:57 <stefan_schmidt_w> GNUtoo-x60: well, judging from the quarterly results they publicly post I would think so. And IIRC they appealed the court ruling anyway
Feb 14 13:41:07 <asdfuser_w> GNUtoo-x60: I think it will take a while until that case is actually resolved...
Feb 14 13:41:15 <asdfuser_w> With all the appeals
Feb 14 13:41:44 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 14 13:41:54 <stefan_schmidt_w> They will produce and sell millions of phones anyway
Feb 14 13:41:59 <GNUtoo-x60> ok
Feb 14 13:47:09 <GNUtoo-x60> thanks
Feb 14 14:10:20 <_seeker_> whois the-leviathan_ 
Feb 14 17:58:27 <abissom> GNUtoo-x60: quick question.. how usable is SHR+N900 on a daily basis? do phone calls work, and how is power usage?
Feb 14 18:07:03 <GNUtoo-x60> abissom, it's really close, it has only 1 big blocker: sound quality during phone calls, so if someone solves it(easy)....
Feb 14 18:07:11 <GNUtoo-x60> apart that it lacks SMS also
Feb 14 18:08:04 <abissom> sms? weird. what about USSD?
Feb 14 18:08:24 <GNUtoo-x60> it's just that it's not implemented in fsogsmd for libisi backend
Feb 14 18:08:30 <GNUtoo-x60> probably also lacking
Feb 14 18:08:41 <GNUtoo-x60> data/3G do work though
Feb 14 18:08:56 <GNUtoo-x60> calls also do work but with bad sound quality
Feb 14 18:09:17 <Sicelo> thanks for info :-)
Feb 14 18:09:18 <GNUtoo-x60> no one ever had the time to solve it, I've even told exactly how to sove it trough code
Feb 14 18:09:28 <GNUtoo-x60> it lives in branches
Feb 14 18:09:32 <GNUtoo-x60> but it's not complete
Feb 14 18:09:42 <GNUtoo-x60> it's easy to complete it
Feb 14 18:09:50 <GNUtoo-x60> but no one did it
Feb 14 18:12:36 <Sicelo> hmm, i could be the 'guinea pig' for that 
Feb 14 18:55:42 <ayaka> I can't understand the #address-cells and #size-cells in http://devicetree.org/Device_Tree_Usage#Ranges_.28Address_Translation.29
Feb 14 18:56:12 <ayaka> it is different from ePAPR 2.3.8 
Feb 14 18:57:23 <ayaka> like "ranges = <0 0  0x10100000   0x10000>" which part is defined by  #address-cells and which part is defined by #size-cells
Feb 14 18:57:34 <GNUtoo-x60> Sicelo, ok
Feb 14 18:57:37 <GNUtoo-x60> I'll go
Feb 14 19:00:06 <ayaka> is the  "0 0"  hild-bus-
Feb 14 19:00:06 <ayaka> address
Feb 14 19:00:06 <ayaka>  which has two cells, but the 0x10100000 is only one cells
Feb 14 19:00:20 <ayaka> sorry, I forget to remove \n
Feb 14 19:01:47 <Sicelo> GNUtoo-x60: cool. looking forward to your assistance :-)
Feb 14 19:07:14 <larsc> ayaka: the first part is the number of address cells, the second part is the number of size cells
Feb 14 19:08:06 <ayaka> larsc, sorry, could you tell me how you divide into two parts
Feb 14 19:09:58 <larsc> you simply have address-cells + size-cells entries
Feb 14 19:10:09 <larsc> so if address-cells is for example 2
Feb 14 19:10:18 <larsc> the first two entries are the address
Feb 14 19:12:24 <ayaka> but there is two entries remained
Feb 14 19:12:30 <ayaka> s/is/are/
Feb 14 19:12:31 <apt> ayaka meant: but there are two entries remained
Feb 14 19:17:37 <larsc> because you also have the size cells
Feb 14 19:17:58 <larsc> and in the case of range you also have the parent address cells
Feb 14 19:19:14 <larsc> in the example you have <0 0  0x10100000   0x10000> which means translate address 0,0 to the parent address 0x10100000 and size is 0x10000
Feb 14 19:22:07 <ayaka> but parent address cells is only one cells "0x10100000"
Feb 14 19:22:14 <larsc> yes
Feb 14 19:22:31 <larsc> and you have two address cells for the current node
Feb 14 19:22:33 <larsc> which is 0 0
Feb 14 19:22:43 <larsc> and one size cell which is 0x10000
Feb 14 19:23:49 <ayaka> "determined from the #address-cells property of the node that defines the parent’s
Feb 14 19:23:50 <ayaka>  address space.
Feb 14 19:23:50 <ayaka> "
Feb 14 19:24:14 <ayaka> sorry, I forget that, and I forget to remove \n once
Feb 14 19:24:44 <ayaka> larsc, thank you
Feb 14 21:11:23 <larsc> PaulFertser: do you know ddarwish?
Feb 15 02:16:53 <pabs3> morphis: is libsamsung-ipc ABI/API/etc stable? I'm thinking about if it should be packaged for Debian yet
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