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Jun 27 10:11:45 <thesignal> hi, I'm thinking about getting an opensource phone because i'm interested in firmware developing and hardware developing too. Which project is the most recent, or most activly developed one at the moment?
Jun 27 11:00:09 <Duskwalker> thesignal: GTA04, I think
Jun 27 11:02:51 <Duskwalker> Ubuntu has had some mobile related stuff too, but I don't know about the current status of that project
Jun 27 11:04:10 <lindi-> thesignal: your question is kind of open
Jun 27 11:20:37 <Duskwalker> Not a very specific question
Jun 27 12:05:13 <thesignal> I'd like to contribute and learn from a current active project
Jun 27 12:05:53 <thesignal> lindi- & Duskwalker what do you mean with more specific? 
Jun 27 12:06:24 <thesignal> about what i want to do, or about what i'm looking for ?
Jun 27 12:28:13 <pabs3> thesignal: probably best to start with a very specific goal. for e.g. run only FOSS on the CPU of your existing Android phone -> switch to Replicant + f-droid or maybe SHR
Jun 27 12:30:14 <thesignal> pabs3: I'd also like to get my hands on the hardware, what would you suggest? 
Jun 27 12:32:05 <pabs3> how far do you want to go? open board designs (GTA04)? open CPU designs (opencores.org/milkymist.org)? fair manufacturing (ala fairphone.org)?
Jun 27 12:33:42 <pabs3> there was talk of a project involving the gta04 board and the N900 keyboard/shell, you might want to get involved there
Jun 27 12:33:47 <thesignal> I'm interested in board designs and cpu designs. (I'm studying hardware-software design, i have an fpga board at home and know a bit about vhdl)
Jun 27 12:33:58 <thesignal> are there some active projects?
Jun 27 12:34:30 <asdfuser_w> thesignal: There's also the osmocom_bb project that is reverse engineering/reimplementing the GSM stack on BPs.
Jun 27 12:34:39 <pabs3> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-June/068675.html
Jun 27 12:35:00 <lindi-> thesignal: yes you need to be clear on what your goal is
Jun 27 12:35:22 <pabs3> Qi Hardware and opencores.org are the main CPU design projects
Jun 27 12:35:32 <lindi-> I'd personally want to get free software clones for the most popular mobile applications
Jun 27 12:35:33 <pabs3> http://qi-hardware.com/
Jun 27 12:36:25 <pabs3> http://bb.osmocom.org/
Jun 27 12:37:23 <thesignal> lindi-: and are you working on something? I would like to start helping somebody (or a team)
Jun 27 12:38:13 <thesignal> pabs3: thanks for the links i'll take a look
Jun 27 12:39:25 <thesignal> my goal is to get a open phone, which is perfect for me (as i like tinkering) but would also be useable for my mum/girlfriend/somebody who is not into technology
Jun 27 12:40:08 <thesignal> and beside that, of course, knowledge
Jun 27 12:40:54 <pabs3> various other software projects on http://prism-break.org/
Jun 27 12:40:54 <lindi-> thesignal: yes but time is limited so you need to focus
Jun 27 12:41:21 <radekp> thesignal: imo GTA04 could be for you - open phone with schematics and lot a work waiting to be done
Jun 27 12:41:39 <lindi-> thesignal: non-free drivers are an issue on android phones but imho even larger issue is that the popular applications that they run on top of that are non-free
Jun 27 12:41:45 <lindi-> thesignal: like whatsapp
Jun 27 12:42:18 <thesignal> sure
Jun 27 12:42:41 <lindi-> thesignal: have you done any android development?
Jun 27 12:42:57 <thesignal> never, no.
Jun 27 12:43:17 <thesignal> I built ubuntu-touch once for my galaxy note 2
Jun 27 12:43:31 <thesignal> (but that's nothing spectacular)
Jun 27 12:43:53 <lindi-> thesignal: I think at least I need to familiarize myself with the most popular systems before making decisions
Jun 27 12:44:10 <lindi-> just lacking the time often
Jun 27 12:45:11 <thesignal> I understand, but the thing is, I don't really want to work on android (if i don't have to), I'd love to contribute to something off the popular systems
Jun 27 12:45:49 <thesignal> I found out about "f-droid.org" a few weeks ago, I thought about helping out there, but i'm stilling looking
Jun 27 12:46:50 <thesignal> *looking for projects and then making a decision
Jun 27 12:54:18 <thesignal> Is there something like a "dircetory" or "index" where projects (and if they are looking for help) are listed? 
Jun 27 12:57:11 <pabs3> I think you will find that all projects are looking for help. there is http://directory.fsf.org/ for software projects
Jun 27 13:03:03 <thesignal> pabs3: thanks, I guess there's no such directory for opensource hardware? And is the GTA04 board the closest to a working portable mobile device?
Jun 27 13:25:11 <pabs3> maybe, no idea where it is, try a search engine
Jun 27 13:37:40 <radekp> thesignal: if you want phone with GSM calls then i think GTA02 (Freerunner) and  GTA04 are your only options
Jun 27 13:39:36 <thesignal> radekp: yep seems, searching the web I didn't found anything else. I guess I need to get one asap :)
Jun 27 13:40:13 <radekp> thesignal: Freerunner is easy to buy, but GTA04 is not easy...
Jun 27 13:41:49 <radekp> thesignal: but IMO Freerunner does not makes much sense nowadays - it's kinda slow and there is not much chance it can be better...
Jun 27 13:43:20 <thesignal> radekp: so you're suggesting getting a GTA04?
Jun 27 13:43:52 <radekp> thesignal: imo it's nice device for playing with...
Jun 27 13:44:33 <radekp> and quite usable as phone too
Jun 27 13:44:50 <thesignal> radekp: :) Is http://www.goldelico.com/ the only way to get it?
Jun 27 13:44:51 <radekp> there is a lot of potential to improve the device
Jun 27 13:45:06 <radekp> Freerunner probably cant be improved
Jun 27 13:45:20 <radekp> thesignal: maybe pulster.de can sell you his last 2 units
Jun 27 13:45:50 <radekp> but otherwise you might be out of luck...
Jun 27 13:46:07 <radekp> there are no money to start new board production
Jun 27 13:48:48 <thesignal> pulster.de has only the GTA02v7 as far as i can see
Jun 27 13:59:28 <radekp> he offered 10GTA04's on the mailing list some time ago - so they are not listed in the shop
Jun 27 13:59:39 <radekp> i think he has only last 2 ones
Jun 27 14:00:03 <thesignal> ok, thanks for the info
Jun 27 14:00:03 <radekp> and Nikolaus (goldelico) has a few partialy broken boards
Jun 27 14:00:10 <radekp> i have one of them now
Jun 27 14:00:23 <thesignal> broken?
Jun 27 14:00:39 <radekp> yup, e.g. mine does not have serial port working, but otherwise seems fine
Jun 27 14:02:33 <thesignal> ok. I'll try to get one from pulster, otherwise from goldelico. thanks
Jun 27 14:03:28 <radekp> np
Jun 27 14:06:31 <mickey_office> DocScrutinizer: yo, doc! do you know who's responsible for the *@openmoko.org email aliases these days?
Jun 27 14:06:56 <asdfuser_w> mickey_office: !
Jun 27 14:07:09 <mickey_office> asdfuser_w: hey hey!
Jun 27 14:07:14 <mickey_office> asdfuser_w: new nickname!?
Jun 27 14:07:15 <mickey_office> :)
Jun 27 14:07:17 <asdfuser_w> Yeah
Jun 27 14:07:24 <asdfuser_w> How are things going?
Jun 27 14:08:14 <mickey_office> so, so. pretty good on one hand, pretty much to think on the other hand. in general, life's fine. it's just that I'm getting increasingly unsatisfied with my job live :)
Jun 27 14:08:27 <mickey_office> are you still in london?
Jun 27 14:08:55 <asdfuser_w> I do know how you feel.
Jun 27 14:09:15 <asdfuser_w> Yes, though I'm reminded that it's not even London out here in Staines
Jun 27 14:09:29 <mickey_office> right
Jun 27 14:09:47 <asdfuser_w> You're always welcome to visit btw
Jun 27 14:10:27 <mickey_office> thanks. i've been planning to and i hope i can make it real this year. it's just that there's much planning now that the house construction (finally) is moving forwards.
Jun 27 14:10:36 <asdfuser_w> cool and cool
Jun 27 14:10:57 <DocScrutinizer05> mickey_office: it's Harald
Jun 27 14:11:08 <DocScrutinizer05> mickey_office: long time no see :-)
Jun 27 14:11:32 <mickey_office> DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks. i was hoping not too burden him with something trivial as removing an account, but now that mickey at openmoko.org is receiving 100% spam, i need that thing to vanish :)
Jun 27 14:11:48 <mickey_office> ya, much too long. this is part of my frustration. Lara Marie (and my job) has completely killed my open source live
Jun 27 14:11:49 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Jun 27 14:11:50 <asdfuser_w> haha
Jun 27 14:12:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I pestered him yesterday about spamfilter on @o.o
Jun 27 14:13:10 <asdfuser_w> mickey_office: I take it iphone apps don't want to be open?
Jun 27 14:13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> the silly thing filtered *outbound* mail on hydra
Jun 27 14:13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hi asdfuser_w btw
Jun 27 14:13:44 <asdfuser_w> hey DocScrutinizer05
Jun 27 14:14:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and worse, it thought a score of -3 qualified for SPAM
Jun 27 14:14:25 <mickey_office> asdfuser_w: pretty much, ya. ios (and android) day2day contract work has little to do with open source. and i'm missing all that
Jun 27 14:14:34 <asdfuser_w> mickey_office: Yeah.
Jun 27 14:14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> so my sent mail had a tag as SPAM already ;-P
Jun 27 14:14:50 <asdfuser_w> Unfortunately I don't think Tizen will be any different :-(
Jun 27 14:14:52 <mickey_office> DocScrutinizer. heh, fun :/
Jun 27 14:15:18 <mickey_office> asdfuser_w: ya, it's a sad thing closed source has took over the mobile world pretty much.
Jun 27 14:15:36 * mickey_office still impressed that HNS and the gta04 guys still active
Jun 27 14:15:49 <mickey_office> true believers. i like that
Jun 27 14:16:02 <mickey_office> anyone seen mrmoko lately?
Jun 27 14:16:07 <mickey_office> or GNUtoo?
Jun 27 14:16:19 * DocScrutinizer05 mumbles *COUGH*sailfish*COUGH*
Jun 27 14:16:33 <JaMa> :)
Jun 27 14:16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> gnutoo is around every now and then
Jun 27 14:16:51 <pabs3> he is active on #replicant more
Jun 27 14:17:11 <mickey_office> hey JaMa !
Jun 27 14:17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> he even is on #maemo every now and then
Jun 27 14:17:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or was it #harmattan?
Jun 27 14:17:41 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen gnutoo
Jun 27 14:17:46 <apt> gnutoo <~gnutoo@host3-118-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 150d 2h 8m 40s ago, saying: 'bye'.
Jun 27 14:17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> errr
Jun 27 14:18:06 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe me mixed up sth
Jun 27 14:18:10 <pabs3> he usually uses device-specific nicks
Jun 27 14:18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> right
Jun 27 14:18:23 * DocScrutinizer05 hates that
Jun 27 14:18:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I pestered TimRiker to fix ibot to allow wildcards in ~seen nick
Jun 27 14:19:05 <mickey_office> ~seen mrmoko
Jun 27 14:19:06 <apt> i haven't seen 'mrmoko', mickey_office
Jun 27 14:19:12 <mickey_office> ~seen mrmok
Jun 27 14:19:12 <apt> mickey_office: i haven't seen 'mrmok'
Jun 27 14:19:17 <mickey_office> ~seen mrmoku
Jun 27 14:19:17 <apt> mrmoku <~mrmoku@ppp-188-174-133-85.dynamic.mnet-online.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 177d 12h 36m 11s ago, saying: ':)'.
Jun 27 14:19:19 <mickey_office> ah
Jun 27 14:19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen mrmoku
Jun 27 14:19:23 <apt> mrmoku <~mrmoku@ppp-188-174-133-85.dynamic.mnet-online.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 177d 12h 36m 17s ago, saying: ':)'.
Jun 27 14:19:23 <mickey_office> 177 days
Jun 27 14:19:33 <mickey_office> ~seen mickeyl
Jun 27 14:19:34 <apt> mickeyl <~mickey@openmoko/coreteam/mickey> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 294d 23h 35m 25s ago, saying: 'hi, btw.'.
Jun 27 14:19:37 <mickey_office> hah, 294 days :)
Jun 27 14:20:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~botsnack
Jun 27 14:20:13 <apt> DocScrutinizer05: thanks
Jun 27 14:22:00 <DocScrutinizer05> http://jolla.com/  http://www.sailfishos.org  #jollamobile  #nemomobile #mer
Jun 27 14:22:18 <DocScrutinizer05> #maemo also still alive
Jun 27 14:23:02 <JaMa> so much traffic on this channel and titans are back :)
Jun 27 14:23:06 <JaMa> hi all
Jun 27 14:23:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and #maemo-ssu
Jun 27 14:23:13 <mickey_office> hehe
Jun 27 14:23:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Jun 27 14:23:19 <apt> rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Jun 27 14:24:11 <DocScrutinizer05> just in case you haven't noticed: maemo.org moved from Nokia to community, much like openmoko did
Jun 27 14:24:29 <asdfuser_w> :-)
Jun 27 14:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and I#m the asshat who tries to keep the infra alive and kicking
Jun 27 14:24:42 <mickey_office> ~seen morphis
Jun 27 14:24:44 <apt> morphis is currently on #webos-internals #oe #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1d 6h 7m 49s, last said: 'but we can do and see if anybody complains :)'.
Jun 27 14:24:52 <mickey_office> morphis: ping
Jun 27 14:25:00 <asdfuser_w> DocScrutinizer05: I have to admit I haven't paid as much attention to jolla as I probably should have
Jun 27 14:25:23 <DocScrutinizer05> it's kinda PITA due to their abysmal PR
Jun 27 14:26:01 <DocScrutinizer05> they laways talk about their awesome community, but apparently their community happens on twitter only
Jun 27 14:26:06 <DocScrutinizer05> always*
Jun 27 14:26:51 <asdfuser_w> heh
Jun 27 14:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> they do huge presentations about some obscure "the other half" but they fail epically to release and *SPECS*
Jun 27 14:27:15 <DocScrutinizer05> any*
Jun 27 14:27:21 <PaulFertser> mickey_office: hey :) you know, i'm still using FSO2 daily :)
Jun 27 14:27:29 <DocScrutinizer05> hi PaulFertser
Jun 27 14:27:32 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Jun 27 14:27:51 <asdfuser_w> PaulFertser: Cool. How is it?
Jun 27 14:28:04 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: hey Hey :)
Jun 27 14:28:12 <PaulFertser> asdfuser_w: more stable than the kernel i'm using.
Jun 27 14:28:36 <PaulFertser> asdfuser_w: (2.6.39.4)
Jun 27 14:28:46 <asdfuser_w> Haha
Jun 27 14:28:49 <DocScrutinizer05> hah, I just bitched a 2 days ago what pathetic fools those meego guys were to not adopt FSO rather than ofono and sensorfw
Jun 27 14:29:08 <asdfuser_w> PaulFertser: What are you using as hardware?
Jun 27 14:29:17 <DocScrutinizer05> gta02
Jun 27 14:29:19 <PaulFertser> asdfuser_w: even though i'm kind of frustrated that i found a real segfault in fsogsmd, fully debugged it but nobody wants to fix (as it requires some rethinking of logging architecture)
Jun 27 14:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> what else ;-)
Jun 27 14:29:25 <PaulFertser> Yes, still my old trusty gta02.
Jun 27 14:29:46 <PaulFertser> I have fso2 running on gta04 too, but i haven't tried using it for voice calls.
Jun 27 14:29:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I should send you a 5 spare batteries
Jun 27 14:29:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and 2 spare devices
Jun 27 14:30:04 <asdfuser_w> Heh. But you don't use osmocom_bb yet to open up the bp side?
Jun 27 14:31:51 <DocScrutinizer05> arrgh :-S
Jun 27 14:32:11 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't believe how much hassly a single 2U server can make
Jun 27 14:32:11 * asdfuser_w caved in after a while and now uses android....
Jun 27 14:32:17 <asdfuser_w> But far from happy with it
Jun 27 14:32:48 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, N900, from my cold dead haaaands!
Jun 27 14:33:07 <asdfuser_w> Especially after I wanted to look at improving some xmpp clients. Java....shudder
Jun 27 14:33:23 <DocScrutinizer05> meanwhile waiting for the package with #6 shipping ;-P
Jun 27 14:33:58 <DocScrutinizer05> comes with extra spare mainboard \o/
Jun 27 14:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> so I have 6.5 N900 in a short while
Jun 27 14:34:43 <DocScrutinizer05> might suffice for the rest of my life
Jun 27 14:35:35 <DocScrutinizer05> if it weren't for the keymats
Jun 27 14:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> those are crap
Jun 27 14:36:03 <DocScrutinizer05> varnish goes off
Jun 27 14:37:24 <PaulFertser> asdfuser_w: no, never tried osmocom_bb. I know it can't be used on a daily cellphone yet.
Jun 27 14:37:58 <asdfuser_w> Yeah, there's that
Jun 27 14:38:00 <mickey_office> PaulFertser: hey! wow, that's quite amazing. I would really love to do something with it again as I'm starting to get really bored with closed source...
Jun 27 14:38:00 <DocScrutinizer05> blaerg! http://monitor.maemo.org/mrtg/ sucks!
Jun 27 14:38:17 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: i thought having used it for so long you're fluent in touch-typing already ;)
Jun 27 14:38:37 <DocScrutinizer05> got a GB-switch 2 days ago - netgear :-o
Jun 27 14:39:37 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I use it less and less, since I waste my life in fron of this PC 20/7
Jun 27 14:39:51 <DocScrutinizer05> 4h chillout in fron of TV needed
Jun 27 14:40:18 <PaulFertser> Are you into networking equipment now?
Jun 27 14:40:50 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1354997#post1354997  see the signature
Jun 27 14:41:26 <PaulFertser> mickey_office: actually, it's quite funny, my daily cellphone depends on applications written in: C (kernel, libc, X, xvkbd, dzen), python (frameworkd etc), bash (dzen wrapper), vala (cornucopia) and Haskell (xmonad) :)
Jun 27 14:41:39 <PaulFertser> And I had to hack on all of them, lol
Jun 27 14:41:52 <mickey_office> that's quite an individual phone stack, i guess :)
Jun 27 14:41:56 <mickey_office> i hope you're proud of it :)
Jun 27 14:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> 83432 users, isn't that awesome X-P
Jun 27 14:43:04 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: so you're directly in change of the maemo infra now. Great!
Jun 27 14:43:16 <DocScrutinizer05> if every one of then would pay me 10ct per month for keeping that shit up and running... ;-)
Jun 27 14:45:03 <PaulFertser> mickey_office: well, socialising is more important for me than having something individual. I just had no choice basically, needed a decent configurable WM so had to hack on Xmonad, needed a sane virtual keyboard, so hacked on xvkbd etc. Ah, and I depend on Elisp for fso.el of course.
Jun 27 14:45:36 <asdfuser_w> PaulFertser: You should try to get lua in there as well
Jun 27 14:45:38 <DocScrutinizer05> PaulFertser: if you'd feel like doing the hostmode hack again, this time on harmattan kernel for N9, we could actually SELL that stuff on OVI
Jun 27 14:45:38 <mickey_office> PaulFertser: right
Jun 27 14:45:41 <asdfuser_w> Maybe erlang
Jun 27 14:46:12 <PaulFertser> asdfuser_w: i learned some lua when i was an ion3 user, but have no erlang experience.
Jun 27 14:46:44 <asdfuser_w> PaulFertser: I looked at both languages due to the xmpp servers I maintain(ed)
Jun 27 14:46:54 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: eh, so do you say they managed to fuck up N9's usb too?
Jun 27 14:47:05 <DocScrutinizer05> kinda
Jun 27 14:47:06 <PaulFertser> asdfuser_w: i bet prosody and ejabberd
Jun 27 14:47:43 <asdfuser_w> you bet right
Jun 27 14:47:58 <DocScrutinizer05> they used proper TPS65951 PHY, but it still doesn't kick mentorgrafucks musb core into hostmode state
Jun 27 14:48:24 <morphis> mickey_office: pong
Jun 27 14:48:28 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe it does and only kernel has no idea it actually did
Jun 27 14:48:36 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: anything come of your GTA04 board, N900 shell idea?
Jun 27 14:48:42 <mickey_office> morphis: hey ho. how's it going?
Jun 27 14:49:15 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: yeah, a somehwat pissed Nikolaus
Jun 27 14:49:16 <morphis> mickey_office: well so far, very busy theses days ... :)
Jun 27 14:49:39 <mickey_office> morphis: must not be something bad. :)
Jun 27 14:49:51 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: oh, why?
Jun 27 14:49:56 <morphis> :)
Jun 27 14:50:03 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno
Jun 27 14:50:09 <morphis> mickey_office: and you?
Jun 27 14:50:25 <DocScrutinizer05> like "oh, YOU didn't do it, so why should *I*"
Jun 27 14:51:01 <mickey_office> morphis: not bad, been pondering about a mixture of a parental and a sabbatical leave in 2014. work is going on my nerve's these days
Jun 27 14:51:58 <DocScrutinizer05> as if maemo community was particularly hw-hackery-affine
Jun 27 14:52:32 <morphis> mickey_office: sounds good :)
Jun 27 14:53:09 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: I still don't think this thing would fly - nobody would port fremantle to that device
Jun 27 14:53:12 <mickey_office> morphis: ya, _if_ finances will allow
Jun 27 14:53:16 <mickey_office> depends on my better half
Jun 27 14:53:25 <DocScrutinizer05> so it was a better GTA04, not a better N900
Jun 27 14:54:26 <morphis> mickey_office: wasn't we talking the past about having a call? :)
Jun 27 14:54:35 <pabs3> DocScrutinizer05: wouldn't it just take adding the GTA04 kernel to fremantle?
Jun 27 14:54:46 <mickey_office> morphis: yeah, what about this weekend? :)
Jun 27 14:54:48 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Jun 27 14:54:54 <DocScrutinizer05> possibly
Jun 27 14:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's where the trouble starts
Jun 27 14:55:06 <pabs3> anyone going to OHM?
Jun 27 14:55:06 <morphis> mickey_office: hm, should be possible
Jun 27 14:55:13 <morphis> will be mostly around the whole weekend
Jun 27 14:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> fremantle is nailed to 2.6.28
Jun 27 14:56:16 <DocScrutinizer05> plus the libisi for modem wouldn't easily adapt to any non-BB5 modem
Jun 27 14:56:21 <morphis> mickey_office: will be away now for some time, do you have anything important or just ping'ed me?
Jun 27 14:56:54 <mickey_office> morphis: nothing important, just wanted to catch up on some things
Jun 27 14:57:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ask mickey_office about the shit that is BB5 interface
Jun 27 14:57:21 <morphis> mickey_office: ok, will be back in around an hour
Jun 27 14:57:51 <mickey_office> ok
Jun 27 15:04:25 <DocScrutinizer05> PaulFertser: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1354603#post1354603
Jun 27 16:24:15 <Ainulindale> 18:19:09 <@Ainu> BriceDamien: tu fais quoi ? tu portes quoi ? Est-ce que tu suces ?
Jun 27 16:32:29 <Ainulindale> (sorry bad copy paste)
Jun 27 16:32:39 <Ainulindale> (it was a joke to a friend by the way if you're wondering :-) )
Jun 27 16:42:34 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: you're still here man?! Yo :)
Jun 27 16:47:23 <Ainulindale> Of course I am
Jun 27 16:47:28 <Ainulindale> And Yo yourself :-)
Jun 27 16:47:39 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: Although I'm with the devil now if you didn't notice it yet
Jun 27 16:48:04 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: how so, what devil?
Jun 27 16:48:11 <Ainulindale> Oracle
Jun 27 16:49:36 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: hehe, i remember super-cryptic error messages my fellows had at university with it :) 
Jun 27 16:52:18 <Ainulindale> well I work on the security stack so it's not the database
Jun 27 18:23:03 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: i'm afraid N9 doesn't sound interesting to me...
Jun 27 18:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I feel with you, actually I sympathize
Jun 27 18:25:42 <DocScrutinizer05> just picked up on the topic since there's a sustaining public demand
Jun 27 18:26:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm so fed up with HARM and aegis myself, I haven't touched N9 for the whole year, until today
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