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Oct 30 03:06:18 <pabs3> http://motorola-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/goodbye-sticky-hello-ara.html
Oct 30 06:22:35 <PaulFertser> pabs3: here "ah-rah" is used by the armenians to call other armenians assuming ara == armenian == brother :) 
Oct 30 08:47:49 <rah> pabs3: dude
Oct 30 08:47:54 <rah> pabs3: make Debian not have non-free
Oct 30 08:48:06 <rah> pabs3: then I'll help with it :-)
Oct 30 08:48:42 <rah> I looked at the release goals for Jessie and now I want to help
Oct 30 08:48:48 <rah> but they have non-free :-(
Oct 30 08:49:15 <rah> pabs3: make it more free! :-)
Oct 30 09:14:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd buy my fair trade coffee at acme-shoppee if they would stop to offer Moevenpick coffee as well
Oct 30 09:15:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ohmy
Oct 30 09:15:27 <DocScrutinizer05> openness nazis
Oct 30 09:21:23 <leosaeba> hi to all. I'm having troubles using devirginator on my GTA02. I'm able to upload the image on ram and run it. But the display doesn't activate, and the dfu-util doesn't see the freerunner.
Oct 30 09:23:25 <leosaeba> ('the image' means uboot)
Oct 30 09:26:17 <rah> DocScrutinizer05: do you have me on ignore?
Oct 30 09:28:20 <rah> DocScrutinizer05: I get the feeling you don't
Oct 30 09:55:39 <leosaeba> [sorry I should have asked before: is this the right place to ask?]
Oct 30 09:56:23 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Oct 30 09:56:46 <leosaeba> thanks!
Oct 30 09:57:09 <DocScrutinizer05> though maybe you need to ask wpwrak (aka werner almesberger)
Oct 30 09:57:24 <leosaeba> I have the debug board (v3) and the serial console shows the nor bootloader works.
Oct 30 09:57:55 <DocScrutinizer05> he's not around here anymore, you might try to query him, or ping him over at #qi-hardware
Oct 30 09:59:09 <leosaeba> ok, I see him. I will try. thank you
Oct 30 09:59:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen wpwrak
Oct 30 09:59:16 <apt> wpwrak <~werner@201-160-231-201.fibertel.com.ar> was last seen on IRC in channel #qi-hardware, 119d 20h 54s ago, saying: 'in fact, that seems to be how many industry analysts work :)'.
Oct 30 10:48:50 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: what exactly are you trying to do and why?
Oct 30 10:49:06 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: i'm still fairly versed in low-level gta02 details
Oct 30 10:55:37 <pabs3> PaulFertser: he posted a long mail to the community@ list
Oct 30 10:57:58 <PaulFertser> pabs3: thank you
Oct 30 11:00:07 <leosaeba> sorry
Oct 30 11:00:10 <leosaeba> I'm hre
Oct 30 11:00:15 <leosaeba> here
Oct 30 11:00:43 <leosaeba> My goal is to restore nand bbt
Oct 30 11:01:09 <leosaeba> the reason is the gta02 wont boot the kernel.
Oct 30 11:12:38 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: yes, i see
Oct 30 11:12:50 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: what happens if you just load NOR uboot and try to talk to it over the serial console?
Oct 30 11:13:01 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: do you have flow control disabled?
Oct 30 11:14:04 <leosaeba> PaulFertser: I didn't check. I use "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200"
Oct 30 11:14:12 <leosaeba> now I check
Oct 30 11:16:29 <leosaeba> should it be disabled?
Oct 30 11:17:06 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: yes
Oct 30 11:17:12 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: both hardware and software flow control
Oct 30 11:17:37 <PaulFertser> Then you should be able to talk to the nor bootloader (or NAND u-boot if you load it directly to RAM with openocd).
Oct 30 11:21:34 <leosaeba> nope...
Oct 30 11:21:54 <leosaeba> both disabled
Oct 30 11:22:04 <leosaeba> (I'm trying with minicom)
Oct 30 11:22:36 <leosaeba> but still the same....NOR uboot.....then wait for some seconds....then qi from NAND...then stuck
Oct 30 11:22:37 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: do you see the on-screen menu with nor uboot btw?
Oct 30 11:22:57 <leosaeba> (no the gta02 display is always off)
Oct 30 11:22:58 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: can you press aux and "switch console" on-screen items with aux and pwr buttons?
Oct 30 11:23:31 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: hm, probably your gta02 is sort of damaged, the nor uboot always lits up the screen. Do you at least see the backlight?
Oct 30 11:23:57 <leosaeba> the AUX behavior works (if I press RESET on the debug board while pressing the aux the nor starts...else the nand starts)
Oct 30 11:24:11 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: right, but i mean navigating through the on-screen menu
Oct 30 11:24:53 <leosaeba> no
Oct 30 11:25:08 <leosaeba> the screen is off....the backlight too is off.
Oct 30 11:25:36 <leosaeba> the buzzer works (qi shakes briefly) and the aux red led works
Oct 30 11:27:59 <leosaeba> what are the menu entries on the nor uboot? I can try to select an option even without the screen on.
Oct 30 11:32:43 <leosaeba> the third entry is "Set console to serial"
Oct 30 12:09:04 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: yes
Oct 30 12:09:09 <PaulFertser> leosaeba: that option is what i meant
Oct 31 00:29:07 <comradekingu> http://neo900.org/ Friendly reminder that it should be "begun"
Oct 31 00:31:02 <JaMa> jake42: I have seen the same issue on gta02, good news is that with my local build which should be almost the same I don't have this problem, so now I'm comparing where it got broken
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