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Nov 13 03:15:29 <pabs3> device-tree for gta04: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/572692/3f35f0d76a061fea/
Nov 13 12:19:34 <Artox> \o everyone
Nov 13 12:19:43 <Artox> I jsut found a serious issue with shr on my freerunner
Nov 13 12:19:55 <Artox> gcc seems to generate invalid binaries
Nov 13 12:20:08 <Artox> I compiled bluez-tools and the programs were all generating SIGILL
Nov 13 12:20:41 <Artox> when I added -march=native -mtune=native, gcc threw this error:
Nov 13 12:20:43 <Artox> *** Error in `gcc': double free or corruption (top): 0x00070638 ***
Nov 13 12:20:51 <Artox> but I then compiled with -mcpu=arm920t
Nov 13 12:20:55 <Artox> and the binaries now work fine
Nov 13 12:22:31 <norayr> hmmm. as far is i remember, in shr i was getting ok results without giving any flags to gcc, or by giving -march=armv4t it worked too
Nov 13 12:22:36 <norayr> never tried native
Nov 13 12:26:10 <Artox> first, I tried to backtrace the SIGILL in bt-agent using gdb and it crashed on a call to some method in libgobject
Nov 13 12:26:28 <Artox> idk if that helps, it didnt help me
Nov 13 12:34:23 <radekp> Artox: you are compiling on Freerunner?
Nov 13 12:34:33 <Artox> yes
Nov 13 12:34:40 <Artox> I am trying to set it up as a gps-mouse
Nov 13 12:34:55 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: thanks! Also thanks to neilBrown
Nov 13 12:35:55 <pabs3> Artox: what is a gps-mouse?
Nov 13 12:36:15 <PaulFertser> pabs3: random cheap gps usb device afaik
Nov 13 12:36:22 <Artox> or bluetooth
Nov 13 12:36:25 <Artox> which is my intention
Nov 13 12:36:41 <DocScrutinizer05> hi PaulFertser
Nov 13 12:36:43 * pabs3 wonders what the word 'mouse' has to do with it
Nov 13 12:36:45 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: hey!
Nov 13 12:37:21 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: zilch
Nov 13 12:37:41 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: ...except for the device being small and with one cable
Nov 13 12:38:53 <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: probably some marketing drone minted the term
Nov 13 12:39:01 <DocScrutinizer05> unrelated to the HID
Nov 13 12:39:57 <pabs3> bizarro
Nov 13 13:36:46 <fling> http://neo900.org/faq > Our goal is to produce 200 devices.
Nov 13 13:36:54 <fling> Should not it say 1000? ^
Nov 13 13:41:10 <fling> btw will it have gps?
Nov 13 13:42:04 <PaulFertser> fling: it'll have everything n900 has, so yes, sure.
Nov 13 13:47:45 <fling> PaulFertser: the main differences will be another case, keyboard present and better power management?
Nov 13 13:48:18 <PaulFertser> fling: no, neo900 will have the same case and keyboard as n900.
Nov 13 13:50:17 <fling> PaulFertser: differences between openphoenux and neo900 :>
Nov 13 13:50:33 <Artox> you mena gta04 ofc
Nov 13 13:51:00 <fling> ok, differences between gta04 and gta04b7 both in their cases
Nov 13 13:51:07 <PaulFertser> fling: i understand, but you can be sure neo900 will have no less features than n900, so that's your reference point.
Nov 13 13:52:05 <fling> I want it because I want to be able to chat using this keyboard (I have not tried this keyboard yet)
Nov 13 13:52:16 <fling> chatting using onscreed keyboard is a pain
Nov 13 13:52:18 <PaulFertser> n900's keyboard is very nice indeed!
Nov 13 13:52:24 <PaulFertser> Agreed
Nov 13 13:53:34 <fling> So I'm about to buy but I want to be sure the battery will not die in 30 minutes of running terminal + mosh + gprs
Nov 13 13:54:02 <fling> my gta04 is always connected to usb ;D
Nov 13 13:54:31 <fling> I'm not debugging power usage yet…
Nov 13 13:55:39 <PaulFertser> fling: the plan and the promise that the device must have powermanagement on par with n900.
Nov 13 13:55:45 <PaulFertser> And n900 works nicely for chatting.
Nov 13 13:56:27 <fling> yay! ok
Nov 13 13:58:30 <PaulFertser> fling: i very much hope it'll really be that way, some very talented engineers are working on that and also funding is very nice, so chances are it'll be all right.
Nov 13 13:59:01 <fling> good to know!
Nov 13 14:00:20 <fling> When people see my gta04 they are asking me what is this strange box for? Oh! it is your phone, nm…
Nov 13 14:01:23 <fling> And when the screen is turned off they think this is something they cound open :D
Nov 13 14:01:33 <fling> s/cound/could/
Nov 13 14:01:36 <apt> fling meant: And when the screen is turned off they think this is something they could open :D
Nov 13 14:02:12 <fling> I like my funny gta02 case :>
Nov 13 14:02:23 <PaulFertser> I do not like edges and small screen
Nov 13 14:03:15 <fling> hmm hmmm Why everyone hates the edges?
Nov 13 14:03:20 <Artox> so, my gps "mouse" works :); Somebody called it GPS relay and wrote a small howto which helped me immensely: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Bluetooth_GPS_relay
Nov 13 14:03:45 <PaulFertser> fling: they do not let me press screen near the border
Nov 13 14:04:47 * fling is now trying to do so
Nov 13 14:05:35 <fling> right, not good at all, it needs stylus and/or rotation…
Nov 13 14:06:57 <fling> Artox: are you using gta04 as a mouse?
Nov 13 14:07:02 <Artox> no, gta02
Nov 13 14:07:20 <Artox> want to use my tablet as navigation device and use the freerunners gps for that
Nov 13 14:07:48 <Artox> now I jsut need to set up some automagic pairing and automatic start at boot
Nov 13 14:08:03 <fling> sounds complex
Nov 13 14:08:10 <Artox> it works :)
Nov 13 14:08:13 <Artox> and its not
Nov 13 14:08:21 <Artox> but it was hard to find documentation
Nov 13 14:08:56 <fling> I use my gta04 as a router sometimes :> so my box is using gprs via usb-net
Nov 13 14:10:08 <Artox> oh about that weird SIGILL in libgobject: http://pastebin.com/5mCgcNcH
Nov 13 14:10:20 <Artox> me too fling
Nov 13 14:10:56 <fling> talking about gta04 hacking: Is it possible to connect to a seagate drive using gta04 serial?
Nov 13 14:11:08 <fling> I want to use gta04 because it is only serial I have :>
Nov 13 14:12:01 <fling> this thing > http://www.kwikpiks.com/files/18/MSFN%20Seagate%20topic/05.jpg http://www.kwikpiks.com/files/18/MSFN%20Seagate%20topic/connector.jpg
Nov 13 14:12:35 <fling> PaulFertser: I did not know about the border, now I dislike it :D
Nov 13 14:12:36 <Artox> should be possible if teh voltage levels fit
Nov 13 14:12:36 <rah> it must be nice to have a usable gta04 :-/
Nov 13 14:13:54 <fling> so is it possible to use gta04 instead of this usb serial? > http://www.kwikpiks.com/files/18/MSFN%20Seagate%20topic/fix04.jpg
Nov 13 14:14:00 <fling> rah: but it is working!
Nov 13 14:14:13 <rah> fling: that must be nice for you
Nov 13 14:14:28 <rah> fling: alas, my gta04 doesn't work :-/
Nov 13 14:14:32 <Artox> should be, fling
Nov 13 14:14:47 <fling> Artox: this is what I need > http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/128807-the-solution-for-seagate-720011-hdds/
Nov 13 14:14:50 <Artox> but that only means oyu can talk to that thing in zeroes and ones
Nov 13 14:15:06 <fling> Artox: why zeroes and ones?
Nov 13 14:15:13 <Artox> cause its a serial port
Nov 13 14:15:19 <Artox> anyway, I need to go
Nov 13 14:17:38 <fling> But people from this forum are sending text to the drive using HyperTerminal app!
Nov 13 14:18:08 <fling> I don't see the difference, I will use RS-232 cable too
Nov 13 14:19:59 <fling> Otoh why not? I don't care, lets send zeroes and ones
Nov 13 14:33:32 <fling> Will gta04 kernel go upsteam?
Nov 13 14:40:30 <PaulFertser> fling: yes, it is
Nov 13 14:40:41 <PaulFertser> fling: gta04 should have 2.8 uart exposed
Nov 13 14:41:07 <PaulFertser> fling: if you provide an appropriate voltage divider for the drive's 3.3V it should work just fine.
Nov 13 14:41:51 <PaulFertser> fling: do you probably have other cables or microcontroller equipment? That might be easier and safer if you have some.
Nov 13 14:42:09 <PaulFertser> fling: or probably some old router running OpenWrt that you do not need right now, they have uarts exposed too.
Nov 13 14:42:52 <fling> PaulFertser: ok I will check for it tomorrow
Nov 13 14:45:46 <PaulFertser> fling: i've used those instructions myself, worked fine.
Nov 13 14:46:34 <fling> I have a working drive (which will die soon)
Nov 13 14:46:57 <fling> And a dead drive. I want to erase this second drive before I return it…
Nov 13 14:47:27 <fling> The drive is not turning on, I hear clicking sounds so I want to try it's serial.
Nov 13 14:47:40 <fling> I have 60 months warranty, two drives left to return :D
Nov 13 14:48:39 * fling is returning each ST3000DM001-9YN1 because they all die
Nov 13 15:10:11 <PaulFertser> fling: on a working drive, reflash the firmware per seagate recommendations, then it won't die.
Nov 13 15:10:40 <PaulFertser> (if we're talking about that specific error the form post talks about)
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