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Dec 11 09:14:18 <jake42> JaMa: hi, could you please bump fso to 12843f053cddb8e1ac9fe76fa77cb5a35cf70d26 for next shr build?
Dec 11 09:16:35 <PaulFertser> jake42: hey, any news regarding that kernel bug you're chasing?
Dec 11 09:56:53 <jake42> PaulFertser: it looks like it was hw related
Dec 11 09:57:26 <jake42> sdio didn't find wifi chip after resume
Dec 11 09:57:55 <jake42> I opened my gta02 and the wifi module fell off
Dec 11 09:57:58 <PaulFertser> jake42: loose connector? Though even without the wifi chip it should resume all right. Or is it another bug in ar6000 driver?
Dec 11 09:58:28 <jake42> PaulFertser: resume worked but suspend didn't
Dec 11 09:59:14 <jake42> as the mmc_pm_notify function didn't come back
Dec 11 09:59:18 <PaulFertser> jake42: ah
Dec 11 09:59:23 <PaulFertser> jake42: is it good now?
Dec 11 09:59:44 <jake42> I reseated the wifi module and also put back the 2 screws
Dec 11 10:00:12 <jake42> (which I had removed for conveniance)
Dec 11 10:00:27 <jake42> so now it works again without problems..
Dec 11 10:00:48 <PaulFertser> I'm using my gta02 for many years without those 2 screws.
Dec 11 10:01:12 <PaulFertser> Also, the screws increase acoustic coupling and hence the "echo problem".
Dec 11 10:01:17 <jake42> is your frontcover still in tact?
Dec 11 10:01:29 <jake42> I know
Dec 11 10:02:04 <jake42> mine lost most of the clips so maybe it doesn't stay as tight as it should
Dec 11 10:02:44 <jake42> it worked a while without the screws but then I had the same problem again
Dec 11 10:03:00 <jake42> now it works for 3 days without problems
Dec 11 10:03:22 <PaulFertser> jake42: i've damaged most clips too but it doesn't fall off anyway, so I just don't care, I think I performed some real-life testing specifically to investigate the echo issue. The tighter everything fits, more echo it gets.
Dec 11 10:04:34 <jake42> PaulFertser: better have a phone which works with echo than one which doesn't work at all :)
Dec 11 10:04:40 <PaulFertser> jake42: right
Dec 11 10:05:05 <jake42> PaulFertser: though I think the problem might also be intermixed with sw-bugs
Dec 11 10:05:25 <jake42> because it is strange suspend/resume works usually
Dec 11 10:05:32 <jake42> or did work
Dec 11 10:05:42 <jake42> but didn't after resume from incoming call
Dec 11 10:06:10 <jake42> repoduciable
Dec 11 10:08:09 <jake42> though, don't care about that keeps on working now
Dec 11 10:10:29 <jake42> PaulFertser: next thing is trying to find out why I can't connect to wifi networks anymore (only wpa-enterprise tested)
Dec 11 10:13:33 <PaulFertser> jake42: eh, ar6000 sucks, have you seen my "ar6000 tips and tricks"?
Dec 11 10:14:08 <jake42> PaulFertser: not sure, where do I find them?
Dec 11 10:14:53 <PaulFertser> jake42: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58146.html
Dec 11 10:15:42 <jake42> thanks
Dec 11 10:15:50 <pabs3> isn't it the firmware that sucks?
Dec 11 10:16:27 <PaulFertser> I think the firmware is mostly responsible for that, yes. But since it's the only one we have and can't be changed, well, who cares...
Dec 11 10:26:07 * pabs3 wonders if the flasher got leaked yet
Dec 11 11:53:37 <JaMa> jake42: ok
Dec 11 13:40:46 <DocScrutinizer05> jake42: missing screws might casue poor contact to GSM antenna
Dec 11 13:40:54 <DocScrutinizer05> cause*
Dec 11 13:43:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#opennmoko wifi is "ar6000 tips and tricks" http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58146.html
Dec 11 13:43:08 <apt> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Dec 11 13:43:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wifi
Dec 11 13:43:13 <apt> well, wifi is see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing
Dec 11 13:43:24 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf?
Dec 11 13:43:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+chanset
Dec 11 13:43:30 <apt>    Desc: set a variable for a channel
Dec 11 13:43:32 <apt>   Usage: chanset [#chan] [what] [val]
Dec 11 13:43:32 <apt> Example: chanset #c +test
Dec 11 13:43:32 <apt> Example: chanset #c -test
Dec 11 13:43:32 <apt> Example: chanset #c test
Dec 11 13:43:32 <apt> Example: chanset #c test 0
Dec 11 13:43:32 <apt> Example: chanset #c test testing123
Dec 11 13:43:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+chanset #openmoko
Dec 11 13:43:42 <apt> chan: #openmoko (see _default also)
Dec 11 13:43:45 <apt>  _time_added => 1164996149, autojoin => apt, factoidSearch => $chan _default
Dec 11 13:43:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+chanset #openmoko-cdevel
Dec 11 13:43:55 <apt> chan: #openmoko-cdevel (see _default also)
Dec 11 13:43:57 <apt>  _time_added => 1254161553, autojoin => apt, factoidSearch => $chan #openmoko _default
Dec 11 13:44:20 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Dec 11 13:44:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#openmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> *cough*
Dec 11 13:45:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues ar6000
Dec 11 13:45:28 <apt> Factoid search of 'ar6000' by value (1): #opennmoko wifi.
Dec 11 13:45:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal #opennmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:45:59 <apt> "#opennmoko wifi" is ""ar6000 tips and tricks" http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58146.html"
Dec 11 13:46:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal wifi
Dec 11 13:46:07 <apt> "wifi" is "see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing"
Dec 11 13:46:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wifi
Dec 11 13:46:18 <apt> extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing
Dec 11 13:46:26 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
Dec 11 13:46:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo #opennmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:46:57 <apt> #opennmoko wifi -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 3m 49s ago.
Dec 11 13:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> what the heck?
Dec 11 13:48:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #openmoko
Dec 11 13:48:12 <apt> Factoid search of '#openmoko' by key (10 of 25): #openmoko-cdevel-bb #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel log ;; #openmoko-cdevel rl #DEL# ;; #openmoko xxx #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel nf2 ;; #openmoko-cdevel testxxx #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel-bb-rl #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel nf-help ;; #openmoko-cdevel nf #DEL# ;; #openmoko-cdevel-bb buildhost.
Dec 11 13:48:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys 10 #openmoko
Dec 11 13:48:54 <apt> Factoid search of '10 #openmoko' by key returned no results.
Dec 11 13:49:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~uselsss
Dec 11 13:49:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~useless
Dec 11 13:49:05 * apt starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Dec 11 13:50:08 <DocScrutinizer05> apt: #openmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:50:37 <DocScrutinizer05> apt: literal #openmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:50:47 <DocScrutinizer05> apt: factinfo #openmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:50:48 <apt> DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as #openmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:51:02 <DocScrutinizer05> OMG!!!
Dec 11 13:51:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget #opennmoko wifi
Dec 11 13:51:25 <apt> i forgot #opennmoko wifi, DocScrutinizer05
Dec 11 13:51:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#openmoko wifi is "ar6000 tips and tricks" http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58146.html
Dec 11 13:51:40 <apt> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Dec 11 13:51:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wifi
Dec 11 13:51:45 <apt> well, wifi is "ar6000 tips and tricks" http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg58146.html
Dec 11 13:52:25 <PaulFertser> What was different about the second time you set it?
Dec 11 13:52:33 <DocScrutinizer05> single n
Dec 11 13:52:41 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
Dec 11 13:52:56 <PaulFertser> :D
Dec 11 14:07:07 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: btw, do you know there're SD cards that run Linux inside? :)
Dec 11 14:26:41 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, nice
Dec 11 14:34:58 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer05: yep, tiny little devices with ar6004: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=45820
Dec 11 14:36:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ohm that wifi SD cards?
Dec 11 14:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, even
Dec 11 14:39:32 <DocScrutinizer05> PQI Air is pretty cool sh*t
Dec 11 14:39:45 <DocScrutinizer05> even a slot for microSD
Dec 11 14:39:50 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Dec 11 14:40:26 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, that's awesome
Dec 11 14:40:47 <PaulFertser> We tried some similar device for some work but it wasn't really stable. Probably if we reflash to PQI firmware it'll perform better but we haven't tried yet.
Dec 11 14:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> a pity no device nowadays has fullsize Sd card tray anymore
Dec 11 14:42:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder wtf they did with this cutout in center of the PQI
Dec 11 14:46:59 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, that thing has 1.5 times the BogoMips of my 2008 laptop
Dec 11 14:48:03 <PaulFertser> Probably fake, also bogomips calculations were changed some time ago.
Dec 11 15:30:42 <DocScrutinizer05> oh
Dec 11 15:31:10 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, that's intriguing stuff indeed
Dec 11 23:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the answer to all the 2we want to jack our GSM stack" freaks: >>Joaquim Barbosa, N2KBJ, of Elizabeth, New Jersey was issued a Forfeiture Order stating that he must pay $16,000 for “willfully and repeatedly violating Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended by operating a radio transmitting equipment on the frequency 296.550 MHz without Commission authorization.”<< -- and the freq is absolutely irrelevant
Dec 11 23:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> operating transmitters without cert or special personal license is illegal, obviously since 1934 and everywhere on this planet
Dec 11 23:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> http://mt-milcom.blogspot.nl/2012_12_01_archive.html
Dec 11 23:47:38 <DocScrutinizer05> and 16k$ is actually "cheap" - you can do some years in prison as well, depending on what you do
Dec 11 23:48:50 <DocScrutinizer05> the fact that nowadays everybody owns a transmitter s/he may operate (your phone) doesn't mean you're allowed to operate it after you messed with it
Dec 11 23:51:24 <DocScrutinizer05> FCC and similar authorities are doing evaluation and (type) approval of a clearly defined set of properties of each device, before it gets shipped to you so you may operate it (unless you're HAM radio amateur and have a personal license). Changing *any* of those tested properties voids the approval and operating the device beecomes illegal
Dec 11 23:51:56 <DocScrutinizer05> for (GSM et al) radio modems one of the tested properties is the firmware stack
Dec 11 23:52:45 <DocScrutinizer05> actually parts of that stack, that define the OTA behaviour and appearance of the device
Dec 11 23:53:26 <DocScrutinizer05> manufacturer may modify the parts that are clearly not RF related, like AT interpreter
Dec 11 23:53:55 <DocScrutinizer05> *YOU* however may not modify *anything* in that firmware stack
Dec 11 23:55:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and seriously 99.9% of users are fine with that, they don't want to see a GSM-be-gone app on every kid's crappy android phone
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