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May 28 19:31:01 <GNUtoo-irssi> Hi, out of curiosity, I was wondering what distros were still available for the {GTA02, GTA04, Neo900}
May 28 19:32:12 <GNUtoo-irssi> Neo900 is not out yet though
May 28 19:32:42 <dos1> GNUtoo-irssi: hello!
May 28 19:32:45 <GNUtoo-irssi> hi
May 28 19:33:08 <GNUtoo-irssi> I guess qtmoko isn't developped anymore, right?
May 28 19:33:24 <GNUtoo-irssi> Remains debian and SHR for the GNU/Linux distros
May 28 19:33:38 <GNUtoo-irssi> right?
May 28 19:33:54 <dos1> both QtMoko and SHR aren't dead, but both are moving very slowly
May 28 19:34:04 <GNUtoo-irssi> What about debian?
May 28 19:34:18 <dos1> for GTA04 there's also Replicant of course
May 28 19:34:23 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes, I know
May 28 19:34:27 <GNUtoo-irssi> that's progressing very fast
May 28 19:34:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> there is now GPS, and audio
May 28 19:34:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> and wifi
May 28 19:34:41 <dos1> Debian - well, it maintains itself :P
May 28 19:34:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> is it possible to get close to SHR with debian?
May 28 19:35:05 <dos1> should still be
May 28 19:35:24 <GNUtoo-irssi> what core stuff from SHR isn't in debian?
May 28 19:35:24 <dos1> I did my Neo900 video with SHR installed from Debian repos
May 28 19:35:46 <GNUtoo-irssi> like FSO or e17 stuff
May 28 19:35:52 <GNUtoo-irssi> ah? where's that video?
May 28 19:35:54 <dos1> everything essential is there, maybe except shr-settings
May 28 19:36:29 <dos1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNSPEWvTJTc
May 28 19:36:33 <GNUtoo-irssi> thanks
May 28 19:37:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> how is debian tracking FSO?
May 28 19:37:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> and SHR stuff
May 28 19:37:20 <GNUtoo-irssi> like with debian unstable and so on
May 28 19:37:48 <dos1> not much was happening in FSO/SHR past months, so there wasn't too much to track
May 28 19:37:53 <dos1> in past few days I
May 28 19:37:59 <dos1> +'ve sent few patches
May 28 19:38:01 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
May 28 19:38:25 <dos1> I'll try to keep my eye on getting Debian packages updated
May 28 19:38:54 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
May 28 19:39:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> is it possible to have systemd on debian somehow?
May 28 19:39:39 <GNUtoo-irssi> because I'm realizing that FSO + Systemd makes it very flexible
May 28 19:39:57 <dos1> SHR has systemd
May 28 19:39:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> for instance I'm reconfiguring my GTA02 to use a BL5C
May 28 19:40:14 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes, but I have issues with the freedom policy of SHR
May 28 19:40:30 <dos1> freedom policy?
May 28 19:40:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> (with the debian one too, but still, it's better)
May 28 19:40:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes, SHR has no clear policy on what can be included in its feeds
May 28 19:41:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> for instance I've no guarantee whatsoever on the freedom of its repos
May 28 19:41:22 <GNUtoo-irssi> for instance if some proprietary dependency get pulled in, I may even not be aware of it
May 28 19:41:54 <GNUtoo-irssi> That was always a big concern for me with SHR
May 28 19:42:09 <dos1> well, it's simply because nobody really wrote it down
May 28 19:42:20 <GNUtoo-irssi> It was always: [Fix the bugs] Vs [Fix the freedom issue]
May 28 19:42:30 <dos1> but the spirit behind SHR was always to have it 100% FLOSS
May 28 19:42:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> and it had that many bugs that [Fix the bugs] always came first
May 28 19:42:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> well, it depended on individuals devs
May 28 19:43:10 <GNUtoo-irssi> it shipped the gps driver for the GTA01
May 28 19:44:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> doing it well would require to write a bbclass that does some licenses checking
May 28 19:44:17 <dos1> now it doesn't even ship wifi firmware for GTA04
May 28 19:44:18 <GNUtoo-irssi> and to fix the common issues that 100% free distro encounter
May 28 19:44:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> (while forking non-free distros)
May 28 19:44:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
May 28 19:44:46 <GNUtoo-irssi> linux-libre is easy to do
May 28 19:44:53 <GNUtoo-irssi> in fact I should have a recipe for that somewhere
May 28 19:45:01 <GNUtoo-irssi> (but it was against a 2.6.35 kernels
May 28 19:45:02 <GNUtoo-irssi> )
May 28 19:45:19 <dos1> anyway, now there are only single devs left
May 28 19:45:28 <GNUtoo-irssi> JaMa I guess
May 28 19:45:32 <dos1> yep
May 28 19:45:36 <GNUtoo-irssi> I don't have time at all right now
May 28 19:45:50 <GNUtoo-irssi> I've burned out and taken 2 weeks of hollidays to fix that
May 28 19:46:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> Right now I was reconfiguring my GTA02 to charge BL5C batteries
May 28 19:46:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> in order to charge a BL-5CB battery for a nokia feature phone
May 28 19:46:39 <dos1> I also still consider myself an SHR dev
May 28 19:46:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> and I found out that SHR was very very flexible
May 28 19:47:00 <GNUtoo-irssi> you can just override the systemd units like on a desktop/laptop/server
May 28 19:47:38 <dos1> hmm, shouldn't charging bl-5c be easy? I remember that there was a button "switch to dumb battery driver" in shr-settings when it couldn't detect smart one
May 28 19:47:41 <GNUtoo-irssi> hmmm, laptop battery is low
May 28 19:47:49 <GNUtoo-irssi> ah right
May 28 19:48:00 <GNUtoo-irssi> but after that it panics after one minute
May 28 19:48:35 <dos1> oh
May 28 19:48:41 <dos1> some kernel bug?
May 28 19:48:48 <dos1> it used to work
May 28 19:48:53 <dos1> well... few years ago
May 28 19:48:59 <GNUtoo-irssi> instead I changed the module to load in /etc/modules.autoload.d or something like that
May 28 19:49:09 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
May 28 19:49:30 <GNUtoo-irssi> it panics when, one minute later, some program tries to read the value of the battery
May 28 19:49:59 <dos1> it for sure was working for me, I have bl-5c battery and I was using it sometimes with freerunner
May 28 19:50:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
May 28 19:50:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> I don't remember well for the button
May 28 19:50:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> I did it manually this time
May 28 19:50:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> because the button has to be hit at every boot
May 28 19:51:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> instead I want a "plug the battery in, then it charges and the user can see its status"
May 28 19:51:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> no button to hit
May 28 19:52:37 <dos1> might be, I haven't checked it for quite a long time
May 28 19:52:54 <dos1> if some sysfs paths got changed it probably won't show up at all
May 28 19:53:18 <dos1> but "hit at every boot" is a valid point
May 28 19:54:33 <GNUtoo-irssi> I'll try and pastebin the units and changes if it works
May 28 19:54:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> (about my setup)
May 28 21:24:40 <slyon> dos1, GNUtoo-irssi: for SHR on Debian, you should join the pkg-fso-main mailinglist: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-fso-maint
May 28 21:26:00 <slyon> basically I pushed them and provided some patches, to get the FSO-0.12 release into Debian
May 28 21:26:36 <slyon> I was trying to create a SHR-on-Debian (http://shrdeb.sourceforge.net, http://shrdeb.sourceforge.net/debian), which unfortunately never made it to something real, due to a lack of time
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