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Sep 06 18:09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> http://boycottsystemd.org/
Sep 06 21:50:46 <antrik_> DocScrutinizer05: hehe... do you have a hand in that? ;-)
Sep 06 21:58:38 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, but I'd like to sign any petition and join any club related to it
Sep 06 21:59:34 <DocScrutinizer05> "those who don't understand unix are doomed to reinvent it... poorly"
Sep 06 22:00:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Those who do not understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.   -- Henry Spencer, programmer
Sep 06 22:00:59 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.linfo.org/q_unix.html
Sep 06 22:01:11 <DocScrutinizer05> however...
Sep 06 22:01:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~poettering
Sep 06 22:01:15 <apt> 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal
Sep 06 22:01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd cabal
Sep 06 22:01:43 <apt> somebody said systemd cabal was a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too. See http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced the linux kernel
Sep 06 22:06:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd cabal is also see http://boycottsystemd.org/
Sep 06 22:06:14 <apt> DocScrutinizer05: okay
Sep 06 22:06:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd cabal
Sep 06 22:06:29 <apt> hmm... systemd cabal is a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too. See http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced the linux kernel, or see http://boycottsystemd.org/
Sep 06 22:18:55 <antrik> DocScrutinizer05: FWIW, Lennart's creations are mostly leaning on Apple ideas rather than MS
Sep 06 22:19:47 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, the mach microkernel doesn't sound like in line with what Poettering does
Sep 06 22:20:32 <DocScrutinizer05> but yeah, on the surface it might look like inspired by apple
Sep 06 22:21:11 <DocScrutinizer05> the more dark and gloomy aspects however are reminding me at windows: one blob does it all
Sep 06 22:21:42 <DocScrutinizer05> or also "we do it our way, we don't need compatibility to anything"
Sep 06 22:23:05 <DocScrutinizer05> binary logs
Sep 06 22:23:21 <antrik> regarding incompatibility, I'm not sure whether Apple or MS is a worse model...
Sep 06 22:25:22 <DocScrutinizer05> regarding hubris for sure Poettering and friends are at least on par with apple
Sep 06 22:26:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~freee
Sep 06 22:26:14 <apt> it has been said that freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296
Sep 06 22:26:43 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't help it but love such guy, no?
Sep 06 22:32:34 <DocScrutinizer05> btw this YT-vid has a few more bonmots. worth watching the last 10min at least. Stuff like "You hate blind people?"
Sep 06 22:33:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and actually the "you get it for free" doesn't show how Poettering hijacked the talk of the other quite competent guy to defend his crap
Sep 06 22:35:45 * DocScrutinizer05 waits for Poettering announcing he's now integrating PolypAudio and Espeak int kernel, so blind people can get to know what's happening on the boot co
Sep 06 22:35:48 <DocScrutinizer05> console
Sep 06 22:37:35 <DocScrutinizer05> and actually linux is no true multiuser system, never been, and we don't need that anyway nowadays where everybody has his own linux PC. So systemd now abolishes and obsoletes the concept of user accounts
Sep 06 22:39:50 <DocScrutinizer05> wasn't the rationale about /bin /sbin and /usr all the similar line of thinking?
Sep 06 22:42:51 <DocScrutinizer05> PolypAudio is needed during early boot, to allow blind people to log in to the machine. And I (Poettering) messed up PukeAudio in that it's depending on stuff I placed into /usr. So /usr already is needed to boot up the machine, ergo we forbid it being mounted late from a separate volume, it needs to reside on rootfs. and now that we are finally rid of this annoyance, de nuke /bin and /sbin while we're at it
Sep 06 22:44:12 <DocScrutinizer05> but who needs /usr on a separate volume? Everybody nowadays is supposed to have at least 4GB rootfs size
Sep 06 22:46:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and let's replace syslog by systemd-based logging into a MySQL database. This massively reduces the needed space on rootfs, so we might get away with 3.9GB
Sep 06 22:48:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the ~5 million log lines systemd itself creates during boot are actually optimized so MySQL can handle them with maximum speed 
Sep 07 00:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> >>If you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. […] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is.<<  —David Dunning
Sep 07 00:32:26 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL http://ewontfix.com/15/
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