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Nov 02 17:52:19 <GNUtoo-irssi> hi,
Nov 02 17:52:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> are there some people left from SHR?
Nov 02 17:54:23 <GNUtoo-irssi> hi jake42 
Nov 02 17:55:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> everytime I check (with a huge interval between checks: more than one month, maybe 4 months),
Nov 02 17:55:28 <GNUtoo-irssi> SHR staging is blocked at: "Status: Building, NOT ready for test"
Nov 02 17:55:50 <GNUtoo-irssi> and of course no images
Nov 02 17:56:23 <GNUtoo-irssi> I was looking for a minimal system that could fit on the flash
Nov 02 17:56:36 <GNUtoo-irssi> I don't want to have to handle the glamo issues with microsd
Nov 02 17:57:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> I mainly need commandline tools
Nov 02 17:57:23 <GNUtoo-irssi> and a way to cross compile basic stuff
Nov 02 17:57:29 <GNUtoo-irssi> like without many deps
Nov 02 17:57:43 <GNUtoo-irssi> (like depends on glibc and very standard libs included in all toolchains)
Nov 02 18:03:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> hi dos1 
Nov 02 18:13:39 <jake42> higgins: GNUtoo-irssi 
Nov 02 18:13:50 <jake42> hoops..
Nov 02 18:13:53 <jake42> hi GNUtoo-irssi 
Nov 02 18:16:07 <jake42> I recently switched to a n900 with maemo
Nov 02 18:16:52 <jake42> which is kind of sad, but..
Nov 02 18:17:37 <jake42> though there are staging imagess for shr-core-staging 138
Nov 02 18:17:38 <jake42> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/138/images/om-gta02/
Nov 02 18:17:50 <jake42> which also work mostly fine
Nov 02 18:18:15 <jake42> s/work/works/
Nov 02 18:18:18 <jake42> for gta02
Nov 02 18:40:58 <GNUtoo-irssi> jake42: hi
Nov 02 18:41:10 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 18:41:18 <GNUtoo-irssi> can I have a recent enough system with that?
Nov 02 18:41:29 <GNUtoo-irssi> like the core stuff that is recent
Nov 02 18:41:33 <GNUtoo-irssi> like no ssl bug
Nov 02 18:41:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> and so on
Nov 02 18:41:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> I mainly need ssh to work
Nov 02 18:41:55 <GNUtoo-irssi> at least for now
Nov 02 18:42:02 <GNUtoo-irssi> and a way to run the stuff that I cross compile
Nov 02 18:42:20 <GNUtoo-irssi> which is the equivalent of main(){}
Nov 02 18:42:27 <GNUtoo-irssi> no huge deps
Nov 02 18:42:39 <GNUtoo-irssi> (no gtk dep for instance)
Nov 02 18:44:20 <jake42> which ssl bug? :-)
Nov 02 18:45:14 <jake42> heartbleed is fixed iirc
Nov 02 18:46:05 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 18:46:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> shellshock is fixed too?
Nov 02 18:47:13 <jake42> surely not as the build is from august
Nov 02 18:47:52 <GNUtoo-irssi> indeed
Nov 02 18:47:55 <GNUtoo-irssi> that was my point
Nov 02 18:48:04 <jake42> yes
Nov 02 18:48:14 <jake42> shr is almost dead :-(
Nov 02 18:48:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> that was what I wanted to know
Nov 02 18:48:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> The Freerunner has 256M
Nov 02 18:48:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> (of flash)
Nov 02 18:48:37 <jake42> yep
Nov 02 18:48:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> what should I run?
Nov 02 18:48:43 <GNUtoo-irssi> I can't run debian as-is
Nov 02 18:48:48 <jake42> you not?
Nov 02 18:48:52 <GNUtoo-irssi> it requires 1GB storage
Nov 02 18:48:57 <jake42> woops
Nov 02 18:49:08 <GNUtoo-irssi> that's what is in the manual
Nov 02 18:49:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> and I belive that
Nov 02 18:49:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> I guess qtmoko isn't maintained either?
Nov 02 18:50:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> shit
Nov 02 18:50:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> what does remains?
Nov 02 18:50:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> debian requires a SD
Nov 02 18:50:53 <jake42> hm.. with your constraints – nothing..
Nov 02 18:50:53 <GNUtoo-irssi> that's a real pain
Nov 02 18:51:01 <GNUtoo-irssi> sigh
Nov 02 18:51:09 <jake42> or build shr on your own
Nov 02 18:51:14 <GNUtoo-irssi> I will then need to do my own rootfs
Nov 02 18:51:16 <GNUtoo-irssi> wihch sucks
Nov 02 18:51:21 <antrik> GNUtoo-irssi: qtmoko is mostly just Debian with a few packages stripped down. you can update most stuff from standard Debian archives IIRC
Nov 02 18:51:45 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 18:51:46 <jake42> GNUtoo-irssi: what do you have in mind with your GTA02?
Nov 02 18:51:53 <GNUtoo-irssi> well, just modem developm,ent
Nov 02 18:52:10 <GNUtoo-irssi> and maybe to use it trough a computer
Nov 02 18:52:17 <antrik> so even if it's not actively maintained (haven't checked), you should still be able to get security fixes
Nov 02 18:52:20 <GNUtoo-irssi> but the main goal is not to do any other dev
Nov 02 18:52:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> like I really really want to avoid having to maintain SHR
Nov 02 18:53:27 <GNUtoo-irssi> to be short: I've a C155
Nov 02 18:53:38 <GNUtoo-irssi> and it's not very convenient to develop for
Nov 02 18:53:44 <GNUtoo-irssi> the freerunner is way more convenient
Nov 02 18:54:12 <GNUtoo-irssi> but then what's the point if I end up maintaining SHR instead of doing modem work
Nov 02 18:54:39 <antrik> C155? ist that one of these old Motorola phones used for osmocon-bb development?
Nov 02 18:54:40 <jake42> do you really have to care about security fixes when you use the OS just for dev?
Nov 02 18:55:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes
Nov 02 18:55:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> os for dev
Nov 02 18:55:52 <GNUtoo-irssi> but I may as well make it a wireless computer companion
Nov 02 18:56:12 <GNUtoo-irssi> it would just be some server-like administration work
Nov 02 18:56:41 <GNUtoo-irssi> example: forard the calls on my computer
Nov 02 18:56:42 <GNUtoo-irssi> and so on
Nov 02 18:57:13 <GNUtoo-irssi> hmmmm
Nov 02 18:57:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> if SHR and Qtmoko are dead,
Nov 02 18:57:32 <GNUtoo-irssi> what do people use on the GTA04?
Nov 02 18:57:38 <GNUtoo-irssi> Debian for everybody?
Nov 02 18:57:47 <jake42> there's replicant..
Nov 02 18:58:00 <GNUtoo-irssi> it doesn't work yet, right?
Nov 02 18:58:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> there is some support for it in userspace too
Nov 02 18:58:15 <GNUtoo-irssi> but it's far from complete, right?
Nov 02 18:58:19 <jake42> gta04 kernel devl hasn't quite settled down
Nov 02 18:58:26 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes, I saw that
Nov 02 18:58:38 <jake42> so it makes no sense in working on OS level..
Nov 02 18:58:40 <jake42> yet..
Nov 02 18:58:41 <GNUtoo-irssi> that's why I asked it this way
Nov 02 18:58:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> ?
Nov 02 18:59:01 <GNUtoo-irssi> I saw 3.17 stuff and neil's message
Nov 02 18:59:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> ahh ok
Nov 02 18:59:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> you mean replicant kernel
Nov 02 18:59:16 <GNUtoo-irssi> I thought that was ok now
Nov 02 18:59:17 <antrik> jake42: eh, that's not a very productive stance...
Nov 02 18:59:29 <GNUtoo-irssi> I mean suspend/resume work
Nov 02 18:59:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> and jack detection
Nov 02 18:59:36 <GNUtoo-irssi> etc...
Nov 02 18:59:43 <GNUtoo-irssi> so the lacking stuff was userspace rather
Nov 02 18:59:58 <GNUtoo-irssi> Unless I missed serious stuff when I tried it
Nov 02 19:00:02 <GNUtoo-irssi> even wifi works...
Nov 02 19:00:15 <GNUtoo-irssi> bluetooth is probably limited though
Nov 02 19:00:19 <jake42> antrik: well.. developing userspace apps on a buggy kernel isn't much fun
Nov 02 19:00:21 <GNUtoo-irssi> but that's userspace
Nov 02 19:00:28 <GNUtoo-irssi> it's not buggy anymore
Nov 02 19:00:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> it used to be unusable
Nov 02 19:00:46 <jake42> though kernel work from NS and neil looks very good
Nov 02 19:00:49 <GNUtoo-irssi> but I don't see the problem with the replicant kernel
Nov 02 19:00:58 <GNUtoo-irssi> I mean the android features works ok
Nov 02 19:01:02 <GNUtoo-irssi> and the patchset is minimal
Nov 02 19:04:29 <GNUtoo-irssi> what about smaller debian forks?
Nov 02 19:04:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> embian
Nov 02 19:04:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> or similar
Nov 02 19:05:55 <GNUtoo-irssi> I guess PaulFertser still uses his GTA02, right?
Nov 02 19:06:05 <jake42> I would think yes
Nov 02 19:06:11 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-irssi: I do
Nov 02 19:06:16 <GNUtoo-irssi> hi,
Nov 02 19:06:20 <PaulFertser> Hey :)
Nov 02 19:06:36 <GNUtoo-irssi> PaulFertser: I just found out that only debian remains for the GTA02, right?
Nov 02 19:07:00 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-irssi: I'm not sure as I do not really follow, I thought qtmoko is in a very reasonable state to use it as a phone.
Nov 02 19:07:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> PaulFertser: my goal is to have a shell distro on the phone to do some development and if possible to export some functions wirelessly(phone calls, GPS)
Nov 02 19:07:43 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-irssi: my Debian is not really a stock Debian as I have a self-compiled kernel (from SHR) and self-compiled FSO2.
Nov 02 19:07:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok, that should be ok for me
Nov 02 19:08:04 <GNUtoo-irssi> self-compiled kernel is very manageable for me
Nov 02 19:08:15 <GNUtoo-irssi> (for that kind of usage)
Nov 02 19:08:16 <PaulFertser> Compiling FSO2 is a pain natively, most time is eaten by autotools.
Nov 02 19:08:21 <GNUtoo-irssi> well, I won't
Nov 02 19:08:26 <GNUtoo-irssi> at least in the beginning
Nov 02 19:08:43 <jake42> PaulFertser: is our OS in nand or sd?
Nov 02 19:08:44 <PaulFertser> My GPS broke, got extremely poor sensitivity now :(
Nov 02 19:08:51 <GNUtoo-irssi> fsogsmd would get in my way at the beginning
Nov 02 19:08:51 <PaulFertser> jake42: SD with ext3
Nov 02 19:09:01 <GNUtoo-irssi> PaulFertser: probably my fault that it broke
Nov 02 19:09:09 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-irssi: how come?
Nov 02 19:09:18 <PaulFertser> I couldn't find any reason for that whatsoever.
Nov 02 19:09:19 <GNUtoo-irssi> PaulFertser: because UBX got broken somehow
Nov 02 19:09:32 <GNUtoo-irssi> ah I remember
Nov 02 19:09:33 <PaulFertser> No, the sensitivity is really poor.
Nov 02 19:09:36 <GNUtoo-irssi> so here what happened:
Nov 02 19:09:45 <GNUtoo-irssi> libgps was bumped in oe
Nov 02 19:09:47 <PaulFertser> UBX works fine, I'm using upstream gpsd for that.
Nov 02 19:09:53 <GNUtoo-irssi> SHR got it
Nov 02 19:09:55 <GNUtoo-irssi> and then GPS broke
Nov 02 19:10:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> so I switched everything to plain NMEA
Nov 02 19:10:12 <GNUtoo-irssi> to avoid fsogpsd
Nov 02 19:10:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:10:36 <GNUtoo-irssi> wow
Nov 02 19:10:38 <GNUtoo-irssi> works now?
Nov 02 19:10:40 <GNUtoo-irssi> great
Nov 02 19:10:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> anyway
Nov 02 19:10:58 <GNUtoo-irssi> My main fear with debian is the following:
Nov 02 19:11:02 <PaulFertser> I do not remember if I have self-compiled gpsd or not, but it shouldn't matter much really.
Nov 02 19:11:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> I fear the SD as hell
Nov 02 19:11:26 <GNUtoo-irssi> there is the glamo in between the SOC and the SD
Nov 02 19:11:42 <GNUtoo-irssi> so I've no idea if that can be handled perfectly given a specific SD
Nov 02 19:11:51 <GNUtoo-irssi> I just don't remember
Nov 02 19:11:51 <PaulFertser> Well, mine is working for all these years, with plenty of hard reboots. I had to fix it a little bit few times (really less than 5 iirc).
Nov 02 19:12:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:12:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> good
Nov 02 19:12:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> so should I use a 4GB or a 16GB?
Nov 02 19:12:22 <GNUtoo-irssi> is 4GB enough?
Nov 02 19:12:46 <GNUtoo-irssi> I guess the very basic install is 1GB
Nov 02 19:12:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> the normal is 2GB
Nov 02 19:13:04 <GNUtoo-irssi> I guess 2GB will be a bit short
Nov 02 19:13:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> oops
Nov 02 19:13:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> I guess 4GB will be a bit short
Nov 02 19:13:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> Then the second fear is the installation
Nov 02 19:13:53 <GNUtoo-irssi> I know how to debootstrap
Nov 02 19:13:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> but from what distro?
Nov 02 19:14:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> unless cross-debootstrap is possible and easy
Nov 02 19:14:19 <PaulFertser> Mine is 8GB
Nov 02 19:14:32 <PaulFertser> Basic install fits in 512 even iirc.
Nov 02 19:14:39 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:14:46 <GNUtoo-irssi> so I'll take a 4GB for now
Nov 02 19:14:47 <PaulFertser> I just debootstrapped from NAND OM2007 iirc :)
Nov 02 19:15:00 <PaulFertser> You can also debootstrap in two steps, with first on PC.
Nov 02 19:15:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> can I apt-get on qtmoko?
Nov 02 19:15:06 <PaulFertser> Without any distro.
Nov 02 19:15:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok great
Nov 02 19:15:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> that's what I want to do
Nov 02 19:15:14 <PaulFertser> IIRC, yes, qtmoko is just debian.
Nov 02 19:15:23 <GNUtoo-irssi> I always had tons of issues debootstrapping from distros
Nov 02 19:15:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> so it was:
Nov 02 19:15:38 <PaulFertser> I never had real issues with that :)
Nov 02 19:15:42 <GNUtoo-irssi> try and fix approach
Nov 02 19:15:45 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:15:56 <PaulFertser> You have serial console anyway, so I hope two-phase debootstrap (--foreign) will work ok for you.
Nov 02 19:16:09 <GNUtoo-irssi> I do but I fear that too
Nov 02 19:16:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> because of the ribon cables
Nov 02 19:16:19 <PaulFertser> Or probably just untar the latest QtMoko to SD and proceed from there.
Nov 02 19:16:22 <GNUtoo-irssi> but I do have a distro in NAND
Nov 02 19:16:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> so that would be fine if I start debootstrapping on the computer
Nov 02 19:16:52 <GNUtoo-irssi> so to do that: 1) I follow the official debian manual
Nov 02 19:16:58 <GNUtoo-irssi> 2) I cross compile a kernel
Nov 02 19:17:09 <GNUtoo-irssi> 3) I setup QI to load that
Nov 02 19:17:13 <PaulFertser> Sure. It's supposed to finish debootstrapping after you attempt to boot it for the first time iirc. Or you can chroot and manually start that fake debootstrap init.
Nov 02 19:17:21 <GNUtoo-irssi> 4) I boot and get no way to interact with it
Nov 02 19:17:27 <GNUtoo-irssi> 5) I reboot and chroot, install stuff
Nov 02 19:17:32 <GNUtoo-irssi> 6) I boot and ssh into it
Nov 02 19:17:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> Is that a valid approach?
Nov 02 19:18:05 <PaulFertser> I'd omit 4 if you're going to chroot anyway.
Nov 02 19:18:12 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:18:48 <PaulFertser> Good luck with it!
Nov 02 19:18:49 <GNUtoo-irssi> so I "rebase" the install procedure and squash 4 and 6, ok
Nov 02 19:18:50 <GNUtoo-irssi> thanks
Nov 02 19:19:02 <GNUtoo-irssi> do I need some?
Nov 02 19:19:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> (Luck)
Nov 02 19:19:16 <PaulFertser> I've installed Debian just once on my gta02, when I first got it, and didn't change it since than :)
Nov 02 19:19:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> because for me debootraping is straingtforward
Nov 02 19:19:34 <PaulFertser> Well, I hope it'll be easy, but I can't promise.
Nov 02 19:19:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> it's only the GTA02 specificities due to the SD and so on that are problematic
Nov 02 19:19:46 <GNUtoo-irssi> on the GTA04 it was indeed straingtforward
Nov 02 19:19:47 <PaulFertser> All those nifty-gritty details...
Nov 02 19:19:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> I did it once
Nov 02 19:19:55 <GNUtoo-irssi> before the new official images beeing out
Nov 02 19:19:57 <antrik> GNUtoo-irssi: yes, you can apt-get on qtmoko. it's really a nearly straight Debian...
Nov 02 19:20:10 <PaulFertser> SD on gta02 works if the kernel has the module, no special treatment needed.
Nov 02 19:20:21 <GNUtoo-irssi> (like new debian, I didn't know they were going to make new images, so I debootstrapped)
Nov 02 19:20:37 <PaulFertser> btw, will you be using systemd? ;)
Nov 02 19:20:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> PaulFertser: ok, I always needed a special tratement for the 16G usd
Nov 02 19:20:52 <GNUtoo-irssi> PaulFertser: I guess I can't
Nov 02 19:20:57 <PaulFertser> (you don't have much choice with current "testing" anyway)
Nov 02 19:21:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> really?
Nov 02 19:21:15 <GNUtoo-irssi> that means that I'll have to do kernel work?
Nov 02 19:21:22 <GNUtoo-irssi> 2.6.39...hmmmm
Nov 02 19:21:25 <PaulFertser> Hmm...
Nov 02 19:21:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> indeed
Nov 02 19:21:41 <PaulFertser> I'm not sure if testing really requires it...
Nov 02 19:21:43 <jake42> shr has systemd but some older version for it to work with 2.6.39
Nov 02 19:21:45 <GNUtoo-irssi> what debian version do you have
Nov 02 19:21:46 <PaulFertser> Probably it's just the default.
Nov 02 19:21:50 <GNUtoo-irssi> indeed
Nov 02 19:21:53 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:21:55 <antrik> PaulFertser: well, last time I knew, it worked on old kernels but not on newer ones... I don't know whether that was fixed at some point, but considering how things are (not) moving in general on the GTA02 front, I seriously doubt it was ever fixed
Nov 02 19:22:07 <antrik> SD that is
Nov 02 19:22:13 <PaulFertser> I use unstable/experimental but haven't dist-upgraded since long.
Nov 02 19:22:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> antrik: well, the process is not fixed at least:
Nov 02 19:22:17 <PaulFertser> So can't really tell.
Nov 02 19:22:21 <GNUtoo-irssi> it was fixed in the past
Nov 02 19:22:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> but systemd keeps moving
Nov 02 19:22:28 <GNUtoo-irssi> so it's pointless
Nov 02 19:22:32 <PaulFertser> antrik: SD always worked for me...
Nov 02 19:22:44 <GNUtoo-irssi> I would be really surprised if systemd was not broken
Nov 02 19:22:45 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo-irssi: do you mean your card needed forcing lower freq?
Nov 02 19:22:48 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes
Nov 02 19:22:51 <GNUtoo-irssi> the 16G one
Nov 02 19:22:56 <GNUtoo-irssi> but I'll try with a 4G
Nov 02 19:23:07 <PaulFertser> Ah, not a big deal anyway once you know what happens.
Nov 02 19:23:18 <GNUtoo-irssi> well, it never was stable
Nov 02 19:23:23 <GNUtoo-irssi> even with lower freqs
Nov 02 19:23:34 <GNUtoo-irssi> to get it to work:
Nov 02 19:23:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> I booted on NAND
Nov 02 19:23:44 <GNUtoo-irssi> fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
Nov 02 19:23:50 <GNUtoo-irssi> hmmm, no
Nov 02 19:23:56 <GNUtoo-irssi> fdisk /dev/mmcblk0
Nov 02 19:23:59 <GNUtoo-irssi> n
Nov 02 19:23:59 <GNUtoo-irssi> p
Nov 02 19:24:03 <GNUtoo-irssi> <enter>
Nov 02 19:24:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> <enter>
Nov 02 19:24:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> w
Nov 02 19:24:10 <GNUtoo-irssi> reboot
Nov 02 19:24:11 <GNUtoo-irssi> that was it
Nov 02 19:24:22 <PaulFertser> Damn, that sounds strange.
Nov 02 19:24:22 <GNUtoo-irssi> so I count' have the system on that SD at all
Nov 02 19:24:25 <GNUtoo-irssi> indeed
Nov 02 19:24:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> it was probably the 2.6.39 glamo patches
Nov 02 19:24:40 <GNUtoo-irssi> some stuff was reverted and so on
Nov 02 19:24:44 <GNUtoo-irssi> the merge was hackish
Nov 02 19:24:47 <GNUtoo-irssi> very hackish
Nov 02 19:24:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> the reverted stuff was core mainline sd patches
Nov 02 19:25:06 <GNUtoo-irssi> like a huge block of patches
Nov 02 19:25:06 <PaulFertser> I'm on 2.6.39.4
Nov 02 19:25:09 <GNUtoo-irssi> that reworked stuff
Nov 02 19:25:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> the good thing is that at least debian has gcc
Nov 02 19:25:54 <GNUtoo-irssi> could be handy at the beginning
Nov 02 19:27:08 <PaulFertser> I compiled plenty of stuff on device.
Nov 02 19:27:14 <GNUtoo-irssi> yes
Nov 02 19:27:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> slow but works
Nov 02 19:27:28 <PaulFertser> Even patching fsogsmd on the go :)
Nov 02 19:27:28 <GNUtoo-irssi> It's just some loader program that I need to compile
Nov 02 19:27:31 <GNUtoo-irssi> and it won't change often
Nov 02 19:27:35 <GNUtoo-irssi> so it should be ok
Nov 02 19:27:37 <GNUtoo-irssi> and save me some time
Nov 02 19:27:48 <PaulFertser> Are you going to write it in Haskell?
Nov 02 19:27:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> (no need to handle glibc toolchains)
Nov 02 19:27:57 <GNUtoo-irssi> no
Nov 02 19:28:04 <GNUtoo-irssi> it's already started in C
Nov 02 19:28:07 <GNUtoo-irssi> nuttx-bb
Nov 02 19:28:17 <PaulFertser> I see, just kidding.
Nov 02 19:28:18 <PaulFertser> :)
Nov 02 19:28:20 <GNUtoo-irssi> layer1 hanged during scanning
Nov 02 19:28:21 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok
Nov 02 19:28:39 <GNUtoo-irssi> but if you go on the wiki of osmocombb toolchain page
Nov 02 19:28:42 <PaulFertser> I thought you can jtag calypso?
Nov 02 19:28:45 <GNUtoo-irssi> it was a bug in osmocombb
Nov 02 19:28:51 <GNUtoo-irssi> well, I don't need to yet
Nov 02 19:29:16 <GNUtoo-irssi> and I need the development setup to be easy to transport
Nov 02 19:29:19 <GNUtoo-irssi> and easy to deploy
Nov 02 19:29:26 <GNUtoo-irssi> and that doesn't seem so strange
Nov 02 19:31:16 <GNUtoo-irssi> how's the host based debootstrap called?
Nov 02 19:32:24 <PaulFertser> See --foreign
Nov 02 19:34:05 <GNUtoo-irssi> ok, thanks a lot
Nov 02 19:34:15 <GNUtoo-irssi> I missunderstood what you said before about that
Nov 02 19:34:17 <GNUtoo-irssi> thanks
Nov 02 19:34:56 <GNUtoo-irssi> thanks a lot!!!
Nov 02 19:35:37 <PaulFertser> HTH!
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