**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 04 02:59:58 2015 Feb 04 12:01:45 FYI: I have access to the freesmartphone.org VM now and am copying all the repositories to my local machine. I hope the repositories will be available again after weekend at the latest. Feb 04 12:02:01 docs will be rebuilt later Feb 04 12:02:03 as will the site Feb 04 12:39:00 mickeyl, going back to work on freesmartphone.org? Feb 04 12:41:17 methril: to a certain extent, yes. at least putting it back into a state where it compiles and works with current tools and dependencies. Whether I'll be in the situation to fix bugs and add new features, I don't know yet. It depends on personal use. If I find a hardware platform where I can use FSO, then yes. Feb 04 12:42:59 I was thinking about Jolla phones ;) I plan to get one myself Feb 04 12:43:47 yeah, sounds good. And I still have hope for the Neo900, that's why I kept my n900 when I sold everything else Feb 04 12:45:20 If GTA04 is available at reasonable prices.... I would also think about this hw Feb 04 12:45:46 lately is cheaper to get a phone with android and work with new and updated hardware Feb 04 12:47:59 cheaper definitely, but I have no idea how the state of "accessibility" (as in... flash real linux and expect it to actually work and support the hardware features) is these days Feb 04 12:48:34 i know I'm feeling too old to bang my head against non working kernel-space Feb 04 12:48:42 i just want to program user land on a kernel that supports me Feb 04 12:48:57 anything else is beyond my motivation, to be honest Feb 04 13:03:28 most of them had good kernel working state, and sources for the kernel available Feb 04 13:04:12 sometimes you have some crappy blobs, but for now, we have to deal with modem firmwares this way Feb 04 14:28:23 ok, libgsm0710 is up. vala-dbus-binding-tool now compiles against latest libgee (courtesy dffischer) Feb 04 14:28:38 * mickeyl misses the good ole times of CIAbot commit notifications… Feb 04 15:07:31 methril: not sure Jolla is a good platform for tinkering. their own OS just uses an Android layer, so it's probably about as hard to get a "pure" GNU/Linux environment running on it as on any Android phone Feb 04 15:07:48 and I'm not sure it will be available on the market longer than Android phones Feb 04 15:08:36 I wonder about Tizen devices. these don't have an Android layer, so at least in theory they should be easier to tackle... Feb 04 15:09:16 antrik, how many Tizen devices do you know that are on the market? Feb 04 15:09:25 I have never seen one myself Feb 04 15:10:24 one smartphone, three smartwatches, a couple of cameras (one of them officially marketed as a Tizen device) Feb 04 15:10:35 looks like there are many more to come this year though Feb 04 15:11:00 not sure about the IVI variant. I think there is quite some interest among vendors, but I don't know whether anything is already shipping there Feb 04 15:11:47 I assume that you are asking about phones only though, so it's one for now :-) Feb 04 15:11:52 I would keep a look on it Feb 04 15:12:27 did you tried to build tizen for any smartphone (for example OpenMoko?) Feb 04 15:12:52 no. OpenMoko is tricky for building about anything because of armv4 :-( Feb 04 15:13:00 It coud be interesting, as it uses Yocto/OE on the lower layers. Feb 04 15:13:06 I did consider it, but I suspect it's too much work Feb 04 15:13:29 Uhm... armv4 is almost abandoned as Application processor Feb 04 15:13:37 you are right... too much work Feb 04 15:13:43 AIUI OE is optional, and I'm not sure how far advanced the support is. the standard packaging is RPM Feb 04 15:14:41 in my book OE is actually a hindrance though for things like smartphones, which are not really embedded devices Feb 04 15:15:20 they are general-purpose systems, and need a package manager that fits such systems Feb 04 15:16:07 BTW, antrik I am interested in a lot of embedded systems not only smartphones Feb 04 15:16:35 But actually, the smartphones had a lot of interesting features and powerful CPUs Feb 04 15:17:08 OE was an enormous obstacle for OpenMoko development IMHO Feb 04 15:17:45 well, Tizen is also being push for "IoT" applications, which are indeed quite embedded... I assume that's why they are adapting OE Feb 04 15:18:28 OE is quite flexible, the problem is the learning curve Feb 04 15:19:46 nah, some learding curve is expected I'd say. the real problem is that it's a lot of effort to set up a development environment Feb 04 15:20:11 (and requires a lot of resources and/or time to get anywhere) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 05 02:59:59 2015