**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 01 02:59:58 2015 Apr 01 07:32:36 morning Apr 01 09:42:19 morning Apr 01 09:43:18 hey mickeyl, I happened to have a look into "official" mdbus2 manpage and found it could use some improvement Apr 01 09:43:56 e.g. the examples are pretty sparse Apr 01 09:44:25 and the BN(?) syntax diagram seems incorrect regarding "BUSNAME" Apr 01 09:45:35 or I got BUSNAME semantics wrong, maybe because of missing example ;-) Apr 01 09:47:23 http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/mdbus2.1.html Apr 01 09:48:43 even the: Apr 01 09:48:47 EXAMPLE Apr 01 09:48:48 Here is an example of using mdbus2 to listen to all signals on the Apr 01 09:48:50 session bus. Apr 01 09:48:51 mdbus2 -s -l Apr 01 09:49:16 is not really enlightening since the short options are not explained anywhere Apr 01 09:50:25 -l is listen, but what's -s ? Apr 01 09:53:09 mickeyl: ^^^# Apr 01 09:55:26 according to mdbus2 --help (http://privatepaste.com/a73573e513) -s means system bus, so that's clearly incorrect in manpage Apr 01 11:24:26 hi DocScrutinizer05. the "official" manage is a contribution, i guess by the ubuntu or debian project, i don't even know who did that. it's not even in our repository Apr 01 11:24:31 although i will add it Apr 01 11:24:35 and then fix the bug you mentioned, thanks! Apr 01 11:24:48 i will add the examples from the OM wiki Apr 01 11:24:52 it's much better there Apr 01 11:27:46 i'll also apply most of the debian patchsets to our stuff Apr 01 11:27:51 i just recently learned that there are so many Apr 01 11:28:06 i could've saved some work if I knew that earlier or if they had been applied upstream in the first place Apr 01 11:28:09 *shrug* Apr 01 11:28:21 :-) Apr 01 11:32:08 mickeyl: is "BUSNAME" correct in >>mdbus2 [OPTIONS...] [ busname [ objectpath [ method [ params... ] ] ] ]<< or should that ather be "SERVICENAME"? Apr 01 11:32:40 I'd think busname was sth like "Session" or "System" Apr 01 11:32:57 ya, that's wrong Apr 01 11:33:02 maybe I'm tricked by dbus clusterf*ck Apr 01 11:33:22 name on the bus, actually Apr 01 11:33:26 so you could call it busname Apr 01 11:33:28 but that's misleading Apr 01 11:33:34 yeah, thought as much :-) Apr 01 11:33:48 will think of a better name and lookup some other dbus docs Apr 01 11:34:30 aiui in rest of -? and man it's called service name Apr 01 11:35:10 >> Called without any parameters, it will show the available services on the selected bus. Given a service name, it will show the avail- able objects exported by the service.<< Apr 01 11:37:03 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks, realizing he tried parameter expansion in cmdline (non-interactive) mode Apr 01 11:38:13 funny: Apr 01 11:38:15 ~ # mdbus2 -i Apr 01 11:38:17 MDBUS2> o Apr 01 11:38:18 oh.no.more.qbw org.freedesktop.Telepathy.ConnectionManager.ring org.gtk.vfs.Daemon Apr 01 11:39:33 actually also intriguing, it seems logical that all proxies(?) need to start their real main executables for introspection, no? Apr 01 11:44:27 ya, introspection works @ runtime Apr 01 11:44:45 if you don't claim your busname (sic!) and are listening, no introspection Apr 01 11:44:51 that's actually a disadvantage of bus Apr 01 11:44:54 dbus Apr 01 11:45:11 i wonder whether systemd handles this better Apr 01 11:45:22 due to the way they try to make socket activation work Apr 01 11:45:55 btw., i asked this some days ago... since there is hardly any traffic anymore here, do you mind bringing the commit bots back? that way we would at least see when something happens in the repos we care about Apr 01 11:46:08 otherwise it's often deadly silent Apr 01 11:46:10 :) Apr 01 11:46:42 * mickeyl thinks IRC loses ground as cooperation platform Apr 01 11:56:49 :( Apr 01 11:58:23 i don't know of anything better, but that's my feeling after having been away for 3 years and coming back into all silent channels. And it's not just our niche projects, it looks a bit the same for big channels like for the distros or programming languages. Apr 01 11:58:30 (bots) go ahead Apr 01 11:58:34 awesome, thanks Apr 01 12:00:00 please check if they are on any ban lists Apr 01 12:01:08 will do. I learned that the original CIAbot is no more as micah lost interest Apr 01 12:01:12 but there is a successor to it Apr 01 12:01:32 does [2015-04-01 Wed 14:00:26] [Notice] -ChanServ- 2 mickey|zzZZzz +AFRefiorstv [modified 3y 46w 0d ago] still work for you? Apr 01 12:01:46 sure thing Apr 01 12:01:49 k Apr 01 12:01:57 modified 3y 46w Apr 01 12:01:57 heh Apr 01 12:02:01 that's about the age of my daughter Apr 01 12:02:05 * mickeyl chuckles Apr 01 12:02:11 :] Apr 01 12:02:13 so you see who killed my boss activities Apr 01 12:02:15 err Apr 01 12:02:16 FOSS Apr 01 12:02:19 (but also boss ;))) Apr 01 12:02:41 kids break toys ;) Apr 01 12:02:45 ohyeah Apr 01 12:26:29 https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/vdev/blob/master/how-to-test.md Apr 01 15:54:25 [02GitHub] Responsive is better than fast. Apr 01 15:55:06 ok, here we are. now to setup all the projects and the web hooks... phew. monkey work Apr 01 16:09:40 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl deleted branch 03wip/testing-our-new-commit-bot Apr 01 16:09:46 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl deleted branch 03wip/testing-our-new-commit-bot - 13http://git.io/jN4O Apr 01 16:19:14 oops, the manpage actually _is_ in the repository Apr 01 16:19:21 let me check who did it Apr 01 16:19:55 lindi-: ! Apr 01 16:19:56 commit a44abbdabb515ccf2f8281bddb67c342cee2bc6d Apr 01 16:19:57 Author: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Apr 01 16:19:57 Date: Sat Feb 13 18:33:17 2010 +0100 Apr 01 16:19:57 mdbus2 now features a man page to please lindi... Apr 01 16:20:00 and I committed it Apr 01 16:20:10 * mickeyl needs a new memory Apr 01 16:20:40 ok, now I need to find a good manpage editor and then I'll enhance it Apr 01 18:56:23 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl pushed 031 commit to 03master [+3/-1/±3] 13http://git.io/jAd3 Apr 01 18:56:29 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl 03828bc82 - add a brand new manpage Apr 01 18:56:59 DocScrutinizer05: that should be better Apr 01 18:57:06 cu tomorrow Apr 01 18:57:07 Such colours Apr 01 18:57:25 I do not have any issues with that, just feels unusual. Apr 01 18:57:34 hehe Apr 01 18:57:40 Have fun :) Apr 01 18:57:45 thanks, you too Apr 01 18:57:50 C++ Apr 01 18:57:56 Kinda fun after c++14 came out. Apr 01 18:58:07 Way better than most other stuff. Apr 01 18:58:14 Not nearly as fun as Haskell of course. Apr 01 18:58:35 (most other popular industry stuff) Apr 01 18:59:03 i have yet to take a look at the latest spec. busy with catching up with python3 and vala and all the other things I'm learning this year (RAML, jinja2, some unavoidable bits of JS) Apr 01 18:59:42 Hehe Apr 01 19:09:32 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±1] 13http://git.io/jApb Apr 01 19:09:38 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl 032c816de - fix build Apr 01 19:12:52 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±4] 13http://git.io/jAjv Apr 01 19:12:58 [02mdbus] 07mickeyl 03a90905b - fix my preferred mail address Apr 01 21:50:56 PaulFertser: meh. my feeling is that C++ is becoming somewhat more useful with the newer iterations; but it's still less expressive than proper high-level languages; and it still carries around all the idiocy of the early variants **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 02 02:59:58 2015