**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 16 02:59:59 2015 Jul 16 05:08:01 as long as they have the money they can hire the people they need to continue adopt Android or continue Maemo or fork Tizen or whatever Jul 16 07:11:00 DocScrutinizer05: #debian-arm folks recon this will be just Nokia lending their name to other folks Jul 16 12:41:42 pabs3: well, that's more or less what the official statement says... except they claim they would be doing the design -- whatever that actually means... Jul 16 14:44:00 pabs3: my guess as well, and that already gave me ideas ;-9 Jul 16 14:44:05 ;-) Jul 16 14:44:53 Nokia could do OEM even before ;-D Jul 16 14:45:19 Neo900 STEP2 (manufactured by Nokia) Jul 16 14:45:27 LOL Jul 16 14:46:45 ? Jul 16 14:46:52 of course Nokia doesn't really manufacture it either, but outsources any such job to foxcon or whomever, but they have a name and a rolodex, and the experience to do that Jul 16 14:49:54 bencoh: when $somebody would approach Nokia and ask for them building OEM equipment and then rebrand it to - say - Neo900, and that $somebody would deliver a "ready made" concept and design, such enterprise would be very low risk and low effort for Nokia, and they could do it even now since nobody would get to know they already started building (aka practicing) phones Jul 16 14:51:27 why would they lend their name to (such a) small project without any guarantee of success ? Jul 16 14:51:31 on Nokia's side it takes maybe 5 employees part time to handle such a project Jul 16 14:51:48 they don't 'lend their name' that's the point Jul 16 14:52:06 they could ramp up their internal procedures and structures Jul 16 14:52:24 hmm Jul 16 14:52:32 for them it's just easy warm up Jul 16 14:52:33 what's in it for them ? Jul 16 14:52:48 practice ? Jul 16 14:52:53 well, the warm up is a benefit in itself Jul 16 14:53:15 I doubt the executives would see it this way, but ... Jul 16 14:53:20 and of course they make *some* money from it, rediculously few but that's not what they will be after Jul 16 14:53:26 Nokia has money Jul 16 14:53:49 not that they don't want to make more, but that's not the deal with such enterprise Jul 16 14:55:27 they could revive a significant segment of their former business without anybody noticing, while same time giving a new drive to their niche fan club called maemo community Jul 16 14:55:55 from such community Nokia drew their experts to hire, in the past Jul 16 14:57:09 and then evil corrupter of youth err Nokia made a lot of them change from maemo to meego and then even to windows-phone department Jul 16 14:58:56 and all that for a ridiculous 6 digit or low 7 digit expense, which most likely will even not only reach break even after a year but actually could earn them a few bucks - very few but better few bucks earned than lots of bucks spent Jul 16 15:02:02 I dont think they really 'care' about maemo (or know about it, for most of the to-be phone/handheld department) Jul 16 15:04:04 sure, that's known Jul 16 15:04:39 but hey, once a long time ago some FOSS evangelist cobtacted Nokia and convinced them to do maemo ;-) Jul 16 15:04:49 contacted* Jul 16 15:05:19 I think his name was Quim Gill Jul 16 15:05:47 and I don't know if it's just a legend or accurate history Jul 16 15:06:24 Gil (one L) Jul 16 15:07:11 http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil/ Jul 16 15:09:27 he's the one in the bugtracker I guess Jul 16 15:10:24 https://www.linkedin.com/in/quimgil Jul 16 15:12:56 whatever, it was just a weird phantasy Jul 16 15:13:28 about what Nokia *could* do Jul 16 15:15:17 and they *could* do it right away, they have the money to do it, and the resources, and a perspective why they should do it Jul 16 15:16:04 what they don't have yet is an offer from Jolla or Neo900 UG for cooperation/OEM Jul 16 15:16:32 well, I can't talk for Jolla, but it's pretty unlikely Jul 16 15:17:20 Jolla has their own Rolodex aka the poeple with the contacts and the know-how Jul 16 15:18:02 they don't need Nokia to make a contact to $Foxcon anymore, they already have their contacts **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 17 02:59:58 2015