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Jul 27 09:00:57 <pabs3> http://www.proli.net/2015/07/27/plasma-mobile-sdk/
Jul 27 16:10:17 <DocScrutinizer05> docker, ohmy. Yet another approach that seems to uninvent the wheel. "Package your application, dependencies and configurations together" sounds like pre-shared-object lib times
Jul 27 16:11:26 <DocScrutinizer05> calling this approach >>deeply based on traditional Linux<< is sort of... :-x
Jul 27 16:14:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm really happy Neo900 does NOT get involvved in OS development
Jul 27 16:14:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 UG that is
Jul 27 16:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I already frowned on OS-need-a-new_Itis in OM times. Then Nokia did same shit with Qt and meego and harmattan. Then Jolla cooked up yet a new one, this time called Sailfish. And now Plasma. Not to mention all the other attempts in between, of ubuntu, and mozilla, and ${whatgotyou?}. Each of them seemed to suffer the NIH syndrome, instead of basing stuff on an existing proven debugged concept and simply extending/
Jul 27 16:20:31 <DocScrutinizer05> improving it
Jul 27 16:21:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and that plasma stuff resp the article above smells like ~systemd-cabal
Jul 27 16:21:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd-cabal
Jul 27 16:22:11 <DocScrutinizer05> grr
Jul 27 16:22:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~systemd
Jul 27 16:22:27 <apt> systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel, or see https://devuan.org  http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
Jul 27 16:22:58 <DocScrutinizer05> emphasis on "REVISITING"
Jul 27 16:25:06 * DocScrutinizer05 sometimes thinks linux at large starts stinking
Jul 27 16:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Linus stll (how long?) guards the kernel, but he and RMS failed to take full ownership and authority over the userland. This opened a vector where "everybody and his dog" (read: debian, RH, Suse, Canonical, Google(android), you name it) can proclaim and try (and sometimes succeed) to push "THE NEW LINUX STANDARD", invented by jackasses who `don't understand how unix works´
Jul 27 16:35:04 <DocScrutinizer05> "Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer
Jul 27 16:40:07 <bencoh> "take full ownership and authority" hmmm
Jul 27 16:40:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I think linux spirit started rotting with introduction of gnome, and when KDE adopted many of those ill-conceived paradigms, it gained momentum direction $south
Jul 27 16:40:50 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: yep, in a way like Linus did and still does on kernel
Jul 27 16:41:08 <bencoh> yeah, but the linux kernel still is his "(pet) project"
Jul 27 16:42:52 <DocScrutinizer05> now several other entities did instead of those with a brain to actually handle such responsibility: Google perverted linux into android, canonical came up with ubuntu which is quite an offense against how linux was meant to prosper and flourish, and meanwhile we're at RH taking over completely by their evil mole Poettering
Jul 27 16:46:41 <larsc> systemd was an inside job!
Jul 27 16:49:57 <misc> hopefully, devuan will change that 
Jul 27 16:50:34 <DocScrutinizer05> it already does :-)
Jul 27 16:50:47 <DocScrutinizer05> kudos to the VUAs
Jul 27 16:50:50 <misc> they did a release ?
Jul 27 16:51:08 <DocScrutinizer05> well, they have a alpha which reportedly already works rather fine
Jul 27 16:51:24 <misc> ( because last time I did fork a distro, it took 4 month to a team of 10 people to get a stable release, so i was hoping a team of expert to be faster...
Jul 27 16:51:42 <misc> ( and on those 10 people, a lot were working or creating their own company )
Jul 27 17:41:28 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it took them a tad longer, but they also had more on their plane than mere forking
Jul 27 17:41:40 <DocScrutinizer05> plate*
Jul 27 17:42:05 <DocScrutinizer05> looking forward to meet them on cccamp15 :-)
Jul 27 17:43:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I missed to do proper anouncing in here, so here it comes:  https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo
Jul 27 17:47:40 <DocScrutinizer05> paulk-collins: you should issue a lightning talk. The form is functional now
Jul 27 17:50:22 <DocScrutinizer05> paulk-collins: https://events.ccc.de/2015/07/24/lightning-talks-camp2015/
Jul 27 17:51:11 <paulk-collins> DocScrutinizer05, great, thanks a lot
Jul 27 17:51:28 <DocScrutinizer05> YW :-D thanks for the talk :-))
Jul 27 17:56:46 <DocScrutinizer05> paulk-collins: if you plan for a longer talk, consider BER
Jul 27 17:57:03 <DocScrutinizer05> https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:BER#Providing_a_Talk_.2F_Workshop_.2F_Performance_.._in_the_BER_Village
Jul 27 17:57:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and please feel free do edit/update https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo accordingly
Jul 27 18:04:27 <paulk-collins> will do :)
Jul 27 18:32:38 <paulk-collins> DocScrutinizer05, proposal submitted: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Lightning:Liberating_mobile_devices_with_Replicant_and_contributing
Jul 27 18:32:46 <paulk-collins> DocScrutinizer05, and longer talk at: v
Jul 27 18:32:48 <paulk-collins> https://camp15.pads.ccc.de/BER-Content?
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