**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 01 02:59:58 2015 Aug 01 14:56:35 is anyone in contact with Harald? we're desperately trying to obtain a USB product id Aug 01 14:56:46 he assigned some a few days ago on the wiki Aug 01 14:57:52 DUH so he's alive and active? Aug 01 14:58:22 I didn't manage to contact him for ... well, several months now Aug 01 14:58:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30 Aug 01 14:58:32 either him or someone using his account... Aug 01 14:58:50 is there anyone else who handles USB id allocations? Aug 01 14:59:39 OHMY this diff is FSCKDUP Aug 01 14:59:53 I don't know how Aug 01 15:00:01 and I'm not entitled to do Aug 01 15:00:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=USB_Product_IDs&curid=1764&diff=108777&oldid=108776 Aug 01 15:00:53 http://wstaw.org/m/2015/08/01/plasma-desktopdM1947.png Aug 01 15:01:19 we emailed mailto:usb-id@openmoko.org back in April, and no response Aug 01 15:02:32 0xCC15 LOL Aug 01 15:02:55 ohmy that email addr most likely is dead Aug 01 15:03:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:HaraldWelte Aug 01 15:03:50 most of the links from his wiki page are dead as well Aug 01 15:05:34 http://www.sysmocom.de/contact-impressum Aug 01 15:06:31 I will try that Aug 01 15:08:42 if that doesn't work, who was 2nd-in command? Aug 01 15:08:55 does anyone else have wiki edit permissions for that page? Aug 01 15:11:57 I think I have wiki edit permissions (I should, at least) - but as mentioned above I have no clue what's the procedure and rules to assign USB IDs Aug 01 15:14:27 alright, I'll wait to see if the sysmocom email works Aug 01 15:14:51 we're starting to get desperate though, thanks for the help Aug 01 15:39:34 I note he is online right now (LaF0rge) Aug 01 15:43:48 well, he often is "online" but usually doesn't reply Aug 01 15:44:15 I already started worrying Aug 01 15:44:59 he is a difficult person to get hold of Aug 01 15:45:00 and I stopped trying to contact him via IRC Aug 01 15:46:42 nomis52: my suggestion if *everything* else fails: simply use a reasonably-looking ID that seems to be available according to the USB ID list on wiki Aug 01 15:47:18 if you don't absolutely need 100% "official" approval Aug 01 15:48:09 I could try to add that ID to the wiki list, once you picked it Aug 01 15:48:37 ... with a note "tentatively. Tried to contact Harald, to no success" Aug 01 15:49:09 it's prolly not like anybody ex-openmoko will sue you for using that ID Aug 01 15:49:15 ;-) Aug 01 15:50:26 the number range space is officially assigned to OM, so it would be OM to defend it. Nobody else could do any hassle to your project due to that ID you use Aug 01 15:59:23 ok thanks DocScrutinizer05 Aug 01 15:59:50 if I don't make progress in the next week I'll get in contact, are you in this channel often? Aug 01 16:16:36 24/7/365 Aug 01 16:17:44 excellent Aug 01 16:18:21 or send a mail to joerg A T openmoko D Ot org Aug 01 16:18:36 *this* one still works ;-) Aug 01 16:19:48 cheers Aug 01 19:55:51 DocScrutinizer05: I don't think there is any kind of mandatory certification for PCI devices, is there? so strictly speaking, even if you just hijacked a random ID, probably nobody could really do anything about it ;-) Aug 01 19:56:25 USB? Aug 01 19:57:33 that aside, yes Aug 01 19:58:36 you can't get USB cert though, and thus couldn't get signed windows drivers and no "USB" badge on your carton Aug 01 19:59:48 USB cert authorities only will certify USB IDs they officially assigned to a company. In this case that company would be OM Aug 01 20:00:02 see http://www.arachnidlabs.com/blog/2013/10/18/usb-if-no-vid-for-open-source/ if you want an understand of where we're stuck at Aug 01 20:00:16 for open hardware projects that don't have $5000 for a USB ID, OM is our only chance Aug 01 20:08:43 yes, or simply ignore them. They don't *own* a 4 hex digit value. They only own a marketing name. Much like e.g. SD-card which is a term you shouldn't use to describe a storage card slot in your hardware Aug 01 20:09:05 true Aug 01 20:10:03 as mentioned above the downside of ignoring them is that you can't use the term "USB" anywhere, particularly not in conjunction with their logo, and you can't get signed drivers from M$ Aug 01 20:11:31 the definition of "prototype" is rather broad and fuzzy. For any decent commercial product, a 500 or 1000 devices are clearly prototypes Aug 01 20:12:06 on the other hand when you start selling them... Aug 01 20:49:39 I see Aug 01 21:12:50 btw a C&D to raise donations for $whatever is quite bold Aug 01 21:13:51 as long as you don't use their registered trademarks and don't have any commercial agreement aka contract with them, they can take their C&D and eat it Aug 01 21:15:17 when OM got our VID, I guess their contracts were not as nasty yet, so they have a hard time changing the contract terms on hindsight now ;-P Aug 01 23:18:11 could there be a blockchain for usb ids? Aug 02 01:46:49 another place to get USB codes: http://pid.codes/ Aug 02 02:17:01 pabs3: great finding! maybe Openmoko alias Harald(?) or Sean(?) would want to 'lend' (of sorts) OM's VID to them? Aug 02 02:17:47 it seems they have a decent infra in place, and OM might keep the ownership of the VID, just "outsource" the sharing to them Aug 02 02:32:28 pabs3: seems to me I seen http://www.arachnidlabs.com/ and tsunami on pid.codes already ... HMMMM Aug 02 02:33:03 1AB5 Arachnid Labs Tsunami http://pid.codes/pids/ Aug 02 02:33:23 so what's this guy's problem? Aug 02 02:34:22 or was >> see http://www.arachnidlabs.com/blog/2013/10/18/usb-if-no-vid-for-open-source/ if you want an understand of where we're stuck at<< not meant to refer to *his* project Aug 02 02:37:28 http://pid.codes/howto/ >> Note that PIDs on our existing VID, 0x1209, may not start with 0x1xxx - this range is reserved by the original owners of the VID. << --> 1001 InterBiometrics USB Hub; ...: 1006 InterBiometrics Mini IO-Board: THEN: 1AB5 Arachnid Labs Tsunami; 1AB6 Arachnid Labs Tsunami Bootloader --- WEIRD Aug 02 02:39:53 http://pid.codes/org/interbiometrics/ Aug 02 02:42:04 http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=4281102 http://patents.justia.com/assignee/interbiometrics-zugangssysteme-gmbh Aug 02 02:51:00 aaah ok, Nick Johnson is the guy behind arachnid and also the domain admin-c of pid.codes Aug 02 02:51:39 but who's nomis52 then? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:58 2015