**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 10 02:59:58 2015
Sep 10 08:54:52 <mago_> hey
Sep 10 10:05:01 <mago_> is the SHR project dead? can't find any signs of activity for the last year?
Sep 10 13:46:35 <antrik> mago_: pretty much, yes
Sep 10 13:50:31 <mago_> antrik: so, are there any active sw dev going on for the neo900? or what is the plan? 
Sep 10 13:50:46 <mago_> seems weird to build a hardware without any sensible sw to put on it
Sep 10 14:04:36 <antrik> AIUI the plan is to run a franken-maemo
Sep 10 14:04:47 <antrik> not sure about other plans though...
Sep 10 14:07:54 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo will more or less run out of the box on Neo900
Sep 10 14:13:02 <mago_> franken-maemo?
Sep 10 14:15:06 <DocScrutinizer05> we have almost a guarantee that replicant will get ported
Sep 10 14:15:18 <DocScrutinizer05> and dos1 will port SHR
Sep 10 14:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> and generally you can put on it whatever you like, just like on any decent PC motherboard
Sep 10 14:21:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 is not a product like any other "smartphone" or android tablet or even the raspberry pi that comes with closed blobs and a vendor-provided OS you need to hack to change only small bits of it. It's a plain fully documented hardware with all the software side in the FOSS and you pick what you want to run on it. Even more open than Freerunner, since on freerunner you needed that driver for damn glamo chip or it wouldn't work 
Sep 10 14:21:45 <DocScrutinizer05> at all. OK, OM provided that driver eventually, but...
Sep 10 14:24:45 <DocScrutinizer05> for literally every single chip in Neo900 there exist drivers for linux already, and except the 3D part of PowerVR OpenGL ES they are all FOSS
Sep 10 14:27:00 <DocScrutinizer05> TI OMAP Zoom-II and N900 and Neo900 and GTA04 and BeagleBoard-xM (and N9) are siblings and share pretty much same core architecture
Sep 10 14:28:14 <DocScrutinizer05> N9 and N900 were HS devices which need a signed bootloader. Alas N9 also made use of that, N900 didn't, the bootloader fell back to openmode
Sep 10 14:28:38 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 and BB-xM are GP devices
Sep 10 14:29:03 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo already ran on BeagleBoard
Sep 10 17:09:00 <antrik> DocScrutinizer05: just because the rpi comes with a complete system pre-installed, doesn't mean it's any less hackable...
Sep 10 17:40:29 <dos1> antrik: actually, it is ;D
Sep 10 17:40:55 <dos1> the bootloader in rpi is completely closed, and you cannot even boot CPU without providing non-free blobs for GPU on your SD card
Sep 10 18:15:07 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly
Sep 10 18:15:21 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 is more open than that, waaay more open
Sep 10 18:16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> you can boot up Neo900 (like BB-xM) to a fully functional linux, only using FOSS
Sep 10 18:19:03 <DocScrutinizer05> there are a few closed blobs in maemo, but they are not exactly mission critical. Nevertheless users *may* use them when they want to enjoy the augmented featureset those blobs provide (like audio enhancements made by Nokia as a plugin for PA), or the 3D acceleration in PowerVR
Sep 10 18:20:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and obviously when users want to use closed source apps like calendar or dialer or whatever, they have to live with the fact that they are using closed source apps, they decided to do so after all
Sep 10 18:21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway they are free to do so, for most of them closed apps, Neo900 is still compatible to them (except special stuff like dialer which might need quite some hacks to work on Neo900. But there's still a dozen other "dialers" out there that will 'just work' though not integrate into maemo desktop and environment as seamlessly as maemo dialer does)
Sep 10 18:34:09 <DocScrutinizer05> as well as calendar apps, or webbrowsers (GUI is closed blob in maemo browser microB, though the rendering engine is FOSS)
Sep 10 18:35:22 <DocScrutinizer05> all those closed apps are neither mission critical nor is there a lack of FOSS alternatives, if you like those better
Sep 10 18:36:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and when you don't like all that maemo stuff, simply use Replicant or SHR
Sep 10 18:37:17 <DocScrutinizer05> SHR works on GTA04, it should more or less work OOTB on Neo900 too - but there are better experts than me in this channel to comment on that
Sep 10 18:38:32 <DocScrutinizer05> mago_: you see there's quite a number of "sensible sw to put on it"
Sep 10 18:39:32 <DocScrutinizer05> which actually is the major rationale for doing Neo900 and not "Samsung SG6 pimped linux-edition"
Sep 10 18:40:26 <DocScrutinizer05> if it wasn't for software compatibility, we wouldn't even have started to consider using an OMAP3 SoC, for example
Sep 10 18:41:24 <DocScrutinizer05> we would have implemented way cleaner audio circuitry, cheaper and easier to build than the N900 compatible stuff in Neo900
Sep 10 18:42:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole device is designed for compatibility first and foremost
Sep 10 18:43:33 <DocScrutinizer05> since I seen Freerunner fail mainly due to no existing easy-to-use OS and app-base
Sep 10 18:46:44 <DocScrutinizer05> also see >>The Neo900 Open Smartphone: A platform with new security features - PDF, WebM<< http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm  http://neo900.org/resources
Sep 10 18:48:37 <DocScrutinizer05> again thanks to wpwrak aka Werner Almesberger for the excellent talk!
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 02:59:58 2015