**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 14 02:59:58 2016 Jan 14 08:48:39 DocScrutinizer05: OpenEmbedded offers systemd support (but you can still choose your init system) Jan 14 12:23:52 JaMa: your latest updates to shr seem to have made things not build Jan 14 12:24:26 JaMa: I've been using jethro branches in the various repositories with the intention of sending a pull request to update them later Jan 14 12:25:24 JaMa: I saw you'd made changes so I tried the shr branches but lots of things broke Jan 14 12:26:32 JaMa: so now I'm wondering what the situation is with branches, how they're going to be updated, and what I should be using to do work on Jan 14 12:26:52 at the moment, I've gone back to jethro Jan 14 12:27:42 rah: shr depend on master branches of other layers, I just haven't updated shr branch in meta-oe and oe-core repos Jan 14 12:29:46 done Jan 14 12:31:41 JaMa: that's the general rule is it, that other layers should be on master? Jan 14 12:32:00 JaMa: when does the shr branch get updated? just whenever it all works together? Jan 14 12:33:03 shr branches should track master branches closely Jan 14 12:33:12 I just stopped updating them, because nobody cared Jan 14 12:33:42 I see Jan 14 12:33:46 in general the only delta between shr and master branches should be when we need to atomically introduce some change in all involved layers Jan 14 12:34:01 in ideal case without this need, master branches should work the same Jan 14 12:35:20 rah: what's your use case for i9300? Would you be interested in testing LuneOS on it instead of old SHR? Jan 14 12:36:09 JaMa: use case is a phone in my pocket running GNU/Linux :-) Jan 14 12:36:18 JaMa: never heard of LuneOS, what is it? Jan 14 12:36:39 WebOS? Jan 14 12:37:17 yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuneOS Jan 14 12:37:26 is this based on openembedded? Jan 14 12:37:34 yes Jan 14 12:38:04 and it's using meta-smartphone BSPs Jan 14 12:38:20 so porting it to i9300 shouldn't be too difficult Jan 14 12:38:20 I see Jan 14 12:38:37 does it use FSO or oFono? Jan 14 12:38:54 or something else? Jan 14 12:38:56 oFono Jan 14 12:39:36 but it's not finished yet, so I wouldn't expect telephony to work already Jan 14 12:40:00 but maybe it would be more interesting/easier to finish it there than in years old SHR Jan 14 12:44:24 possibly Jan 14 12:47:09 what's the advantage of LuneOS? Jan 14 12:47:27 (apart from the size of the developer community?) Jan 14 12:55:31 rah: more modern technologies if you care Jan 14 12:58:13 Is using a wristwatch with multi-core Cortex-A9 that runs Linux that runs Wayland that runs Chrome that runs JavaScript all to show you time and date considered the modern way to do things?.. Jan 14 13:04:18 :) some people say so Jan 14 13:09:44 JaMa: what "technologies"? Jan 14 13:11:04 When people are using statically strongly typed languages, I call that modern. When people are using a bunch of loosely-typed dynamic code run on top of bunch of weakly-typed low-abstraction C-code, that's something I consider ancient. Jan 14 13:11:54 :) Jan 14 13:26:46 JaMa: also, is bitbake suppose to be on master as well? Jan 14 13:27:06 I get, for example: Jan 14 13:27:08 ERROR: ParseError at /home/rah/proj/shr/meta-smartphone/meta-shr/recipes-shr/3rdparty/evopedia_git.bb:16: Could not inherit file classes/qt4x11.bbclass Jan 14 13:27:18 with bitbake master Jan 14 13:27:45 you're missing some commits I've pushed to meta-smartphone Jan 14 13:27:58 qt4x11 was removed from oe-core/master Jan 14 13:28:34 rah: e.g. qtwebengine instead of e-wm which no longer supports illume/mobile profile Jan 14 13:28:59 ok Jan 14 13:29:42 but as PaulFertser mentioned, maybe this technology is what you want to use, I'm just a build guy I don't care :) Jan 14 13:32:34 Illume is no more? Glad I didn't spend much time on it. Jan 14 13:35:01 since enlightenment E19 Jan 14 13:36:13 it was first renamed from illume2 to mobile and then broken by removing few illume modules still referenced from mobile profile Jan 14 14:18:54 personally I don't like the idea of "web apps" Jan 14 14:19:09 * rahc == rah btw Jan 14 14:40:18 https://git.enlightenment.org/core/enlightenment.git/tree/src/modules/policy_mobile Jan 14 14:40:23 it's still there Jan 14 14:49:55 commit 1be76d599ca27f820b58b8186c5f73d9844c67ca Jan 14 14:49:55 Author: Mike Blumenkrantz Jan 14 14:49:55 Date: Tue Aug 20 09:40:36 2013 +0100 Jan 14 14:49:55 disable illume building, blacklist illume modules Jan 14 14:49:55 illume 100% requires X, thus illume is dead. replacements are semi-underway. Jan 14 14:57:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.enlightenment.devel/59498 Jan 14 15:15:52 I've just re-tested with Installing e-wm-config-mobile (0.19.10-r0.1) on root. and it's still broken Jan 14 15:16:21 it tries to load at least 6 illume* modules which aren't included anymore and resulting profile is unusable Jan 14 15:17:36 :-/ Jan 14 15:37:34 hey, strong types are modern now? makes me hope for a renaissance of stuff like Pascal or Modula Jan 14 15:39:35 and wayland, eeeek Jan 14 20:07:32 PaulFertser: which wristwatch runs Chrome on Wayland? Jan 14 20:07:53 PaulFertser: on the matter of statically strongly typed languages: are you familiar with Rust? :-) Jan 14 20:23:51 antrik: I know Samsung Gear S is using HTML+CSS+JS for its applications; not knowing much about Tizen I just assumed they're using WebKit engine to render it, and that they're unlikely to run X.org, so probably Wayland. I think these details doesn't matter much, the setup is still insane. Jan 14 20:25:47 antrik: yes, of course I've read a bit about Rust, it's very promising indeed. Not sure whether it can ever compete with Haskell in certain areas but for system-level programming it seems like a strong alternative to C++ and D. Jan 14 20:26:57 PaulFertser: it uses Tizen mobile 2.3 or something, which still uses X. I'm not sure whether the web engine is currently based on WebKit or Blink, but it's definitely one of these. as for whether the watchfaces really use the web engine, I don't really know, but that would be somewhat surprising... Jan 14 20:27:59 (all the applications shipped with regular Tizen mobile are in EFL/C; while installable apps are Web by default, but can be native as well) Jan 14 20:28:20 antrik: my friend was unhappy with all the faces he found so he downloaded Tizen SDK and used an example to create his own. At least that example was a "web-app" for sure. Jan 14 20:28:43 wow, that's scary Jan 14 20:29:03 He didn't notice any effects on battery runtime. Jan 14 20:30:26 imho web-apps is a silly sick idea on its own, and when something like that is run on a wristwatch, that's twice sick. Jan 15 01:29:55 PaulFertser: are there any UIs written in a statically strongly typed language? Jan 15 01:30:13 oh, xmonad **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 02:59:59 2016