**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 14 02:59:58 2016 Mar 14 03:03:36 davidluckov: I think you want #neo900? Mar 14 03:04:21 type this: /join #neo900 Mar 14 06:12:18 pabs3, no Mar 14 06:14:08 I don't understand why not, but ok Mar 14 06:14:30 #neo900 is the channel for asking questions about Neo900 Mar 14 06:17:12 I just wanted to know about gta04 and openmoko development, though, you are right Mar 14 07:04:11 davidluckov: Neo900 is based on the GTA04 design, and tries to follow a similar philosophy: while GTA04 is an upgrade board for the original OpenMoko phones, Neo900 is supposed to be an upgrade board for the N900 Mar 14 07:05:26 considering that you called the OpenMoko case ugly, one would thing you'd be interested in a different case, such as the N900 one... Mar 14 07:07:28 to be honest, the closest thing you can get nowadays to an open phone designed from scratch (as opposed to these upgrade boards) is probably the Fairphone 2 Mar 14 07:08:43 I don't think the hardware design is free in any way; but at least they are trying to publish programming information and encourage alternative OS development Mar 14 08:37:06 antrik: what about Jolla? Mar 14 09:12:40 pabs3: Jolla just use "open source" as a marketing term Mar 14 09:13:06 http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fr/p/sailfish-os-open-source-licencing-stage.html Mar 14 09:13:47 all their bits which are actually useful are proprietary Mar 14 09:14:16 I was thinking of the hardware side Mar 14 09:14:32 don't really care about their UI stuff Mar 14 09:15:03 are they any more free than any other phone hardware manufacturer? Mar 14 09:16:05 zero idea Mar 14 09:21:02 https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping/ Mar 14 09:22:13 "It is the norm in the industry that these specific software deliveries contain a majority of closed source parts that are not possible to share outside Jolla and the ODM. It is very hard or near impossible to find a competitive price and effort-wise hardware with fully open drivers." Mar 14 09:22:41 "We do not have the capacity to write native Sailfish OS drivers for many parts of the devices. Especially parts like modems, GPUs or cameras, and embarking on a journey to enable custom Sailfish OS adaptations for certain chips is not a direction we want to go. We’ve tried this before and it was not a good experience." Mar 14 09:23:13 so they just use whatever proprietary drivers the factory gives them Mar 14 09:26:52 yay Mar 14 21:04:54 rahc: no they're not Mar 14 21:05:40 (free) and worse than that, they have the qualcomm baseband/cpu isolation issue **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:58 2016