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May 11 09:55:35 * pabs3 starts https://wiki.debian.org/Exploits
May 11 11:53:33 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
May 11 11:53:56 <DocScrutinizer05> just s/debian/devuan/ ;-)
May 11 11:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/21241208
May 11 13:08:12 <pabs3> http://www.whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
May 11 13:52:09 <rahc> that article is just lols
May 11 13:53:00 <rahc> "We got to the first production version of IP, and have been trying for the past 20 years to switch to a second production version of IP with limited success."
May 11 13:53:21 <rahc> I'd say the IPv6 transition has been pretty successful
May 11 13:54:08 <rahc> "that's how far the internet got. It got to the late 90s."
May 11 13:54:13 <rahc> umm.. no?
May 11 13:57:47 <rahc> "cannibalizing a federated application-layer protocol into a centralized service is almost a sure recipe for a successful consumer product today. It's ... what Facebook did with email"
May 11 13:57:55 <rahc> dafuq is this guy smoking?
May 11 13:59:16 <rahc> "An open source infrastructure for a centralized network now provides almost the same level of control as federated protocols"
May 11 13:59:20 <rahc> wut
May 11 14:00:48 <rahc> I'm embarrassed that this guy is one of the prime developers of "secure" systems
May 11 14:02:02 <rahc> come *on* people, we can do better!
May 11 14:05:36 <rahc> by which I mean, come *on* people, there are surely better minds out there than those at Open Whisper Systems and who can do it better!
May 11 14:05:45 <rahc> let's move!
May 11 14:05:56 <rahc> let's get this freedom shit together!
May 11 14:07:07 <Sicelo> i saw this article yesterday & got headache while trying to read t
May 11 14:07:08 <Sicelo> :P
May 11 15:26:21 <DocScrutinizer05> so I won't even try :-)
May 11 15:27:11 <Sicelo> basically says federated XMPP is obsolete and never fulfilled its promise
May 11 15:27:27 <DocScrutinizer05> well, >>Moxie Marlinspike<< that rings some bell, if only I knew *which* one
May 11 15:28:00 <Sicelo> then says Whatsapp, Faceboo, etc. are the ones who have finally brought sanity and usability to the Internet
May 11 15:28:11 <Sicelo> loose paraphrase
May 11 15:28:45 <DocScrutinizer05> OUUUuuuuUUUUCH!
May 12 01:14:45 <pabs3> rahc, DocScrutinizer05, Sicelo: I think he is saying that it is too late for federated networks because there are more developers who are willing to take money to build proprietary unethical centralised platforms than there are developers willing to be poor and work only on libre federated/p2p networks which the vast majority of people will never use since they don't care about libre things, which at the end of the day are mostly used as a base f
May 12 01:14:45 <pabs3> or those proprietary unethical centralised platforms plus the personal machines of people who care about libre things
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