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May 12 07:44:25 <rahc> pabs3: I see that, it's just that I think he's wrong :-)
May 12 07:46:57 <rahc> pabs3: there's the same argument against free software; because developers are willing to take money to build proprietary software, free software will never be as good, so free software cannot compete
May 12 07:47:15 <rahc> pabs3: well, that's wrong; free software will always win in terms of freedom
May 12 07:47:30 <rahc> pabs3: that idea that people don't care about libre things is a fallacy, I think
May 12 07:47:37 <rahc> pabs3: I think people do care
May 12 07:47:59 <rahc> pabs3: and I think people care a hell of a lot more since Snowden's activities
May 12 07:48:36 <rahc> pabs3: and by "people" I don't mean computer geeks, I mean the general population
May 12 07:50:04 <rahc> pabs3: in my experience, people are very receptive to the idea of software freedom and in fact, they seem to have an intuitive understanding that proprietary software and centralised services are dangerous for them
May 12 07:52:13 <rahc> pabs3: I think Marlinspike's essential assertion is that: the Internet is different to the previous technological battlegrounds; and that the difference is a difference in kind, due to the rapidity of the Internet's development
May 12 07:54:06 <rahc> pabs3: and in response to that I would assert that: the Internet is no different to any previous technological battlegrounds and that the forces of freedom and openness will, in time, win over the forces of greed and the fear which demands control
May 12 07:54:23 <rahc> pabs3: this guy is very short-sighted
May 12 07:55:54 <rahc> pabs3: IPv4 is probably one of the most successful, widespread technologies ever produced by humans, up there with fire, the wheel, telephones and cars
May 12 07:57:38 <rahc> pabs3: and yet he expects that a transition away from this technology to have occured within the miniscule time period of 20 years
May 12 07:59:00 <rahc> his view is that of an App developer
May 12 08:01:29 <rahc> I mean, I am just astonished that people invest themselves in this culture of gated, proprietary silos of proprietary software
May 12 08:02:05 <rahc> and this guy Marlinspike is very invested in it
May 12 08:04:56 <rahc> he requested that F-Droid refrain from packaging his "free" software because he can't live without Google's proprietary App services
May 12 08:08:27 <rahc> his position is one surrounded by proprietary software, dependent on proprietary software and peddling a product to consumers of proprietary software
May 12 08:09:24 <rahc> he cannot see the progress that is being made by free software because he doesn't want to see it
May 12 08:12:39 <rahc> he's dependent on proprietary software
May 12 08:14:30 <rahc> he's not interested in helping freedom
May 12 08:14:45 <rahc> he's not part of the free software movement
May 12 08:24:46 <rahc> fuck him and his bullshit :-)
May 12 15:11:27 <pabs3> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/42728.html
May 12 15:28:41 <Sicelo> tough situations we find ourselves in as users
May 12 15:28:43 <Sicelo> :0/
May 12 17:45:06 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.experten-arbeit-stärken.de/
May 12 22:59:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ~logs
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