**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 29 02:59:58 2016 Jun 29 10:07:22 DocScrutinizer05, pabs3: is usb-id ML back now and I'm subscribed again? Or should I read the archives manually from the web-interface? Jun 29 10:11:32 haven't done anything yet (at DebConf) Jun 29 10:21:23 PaulFertser: you're in ml admin list Jun 29 10:21:34 DocScrutinizer05: yes, I know Jun 29 10:21:46 Well, duh. Jun 29 10:22:19 anyway no news except spam so far on ML Jun 29 10:22:45 I'm not at any conf, the best course of actions for me suggested so far is to go to Ireland, work there for 5 years straight, get long-time permit, then I should be able to go to some conference... Jun 29 10:23:30 *cough* Jun 29 10:24:27 yeah, I can see how EU is a bit touchy with anything immigration atm Jun 29 10:24:56 and particularly with visa for Russian citizens Jun 29 10:25:18 a pity Jun 29 10:25:56 anyway I have a company now, if you need an official invitation Jun 29 10:27:06 Thank you. I haven't yet decided if I'm ready to come to EU being a second-class human/suspected criminal now. Jun 29 10:29:18 * Sicelo got to review who he keeps company with :p Jun 29 10:34:03 Sicelo: I'm guilty in only being a russian citizen, that's apparently enough for both EU and USA to force collecting of my biometric data if I want to visit... Jun 29 10:35:45 some policies suck :( Jun 29 10:39:26 PaulFertser: they do that on every EU citizen as well now, at least to Germans Jun 29 10:40:41 so while they still treat you like a criminal, you're not treated like a second-class human Jun 29 10:40:56 welcome to the club Jun 29 10:41:22 * DocScrutinizer05 suggests Joe's Garage / Zappa Jun 29 10:42:05 particularly the cover text Jun 29 10:44:56 here the intro (not cover text) >>This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER . . . it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet. It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of you to the potential consequences of various ordinary everyday activities you might be performing which could eventually lead to The Death Penalty (or affect your parent's credit rating). Our criminal institutions are full Jun 29 10:44:58 of little creeps like you who do wrong things . . . and many of them were driven to these crimes by a horrible force called MUSIC!<< Jun 29 10:50:14 (wikipedia) >>"Watermelon in Easter Hay", a signature song that Zappa has described as the best song on the album, and according to his son Dweezil, the best guitar solo his father ever played.<< INDEED! Jun 29 10:53:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUja5B8ei2U Jun 29 10:57:53 DocScrutinizer05: so they mandatory fingerprint all the Germans now? Jun 29 10:58:04 yep Jun 29 10:58:11 When and how? Jun 29 10:58:16 when you want to get new papers Jun 29 10:58:27 ID or passport Jun 29 10:58:30 Hm, that might make me feel easier about it. Jun 29 11:00:28 "one fingerprint from each hand, usually of the index fingers" hm, didn't know about it Jun 29 11:03:20 "New applicants for a VIS Schengen visa have to travel to the nearest EU consulate to give their biometric information (10 fingerprints and a facial image)" Jun 29 11:03:30 There's still some considerable difference here... Jun 29 11:10:31 well, yes Jun 29 11:11:00 facial image is still mandatory for all papers ;-) Jun 29 11:11:25 but yeah, they now want all 10 fingers for visa etc Jun 29 11:12:14 prolly because immigrants wouldn't even hesitate to cut one or two fingers just to get a second set of papers for a second identity to receive double welfare Jun 29 11:12:43 *some* of them Jun 29 11:16:04 dang, water melon in easter hay has something ... eternal or final about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3cu8sDa90Y Jun 29 13:28:29 DocScrutinizer05: the visa situation for Russians isn't anything new. I know several cases of Russians denied a visum for a conference in EU long before both the recent immigration debate and the Ukraine conflict... Jun 29 13:33:39 DocScrutinizer05: no need to cut it, btw Jun 29 13:33:48 "burning" it is enough Jun 29 13:34:35 and some people dont have clear fingerprints anymore because of their job **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 30 02:59:58 2016