**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 31 03:00:02 2017 Mar 31 07:40:31 https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/will-the-fcc-still-ban-your-operating-system-maybe/ Mar 31 09:32:03 hmm, is there a transcript maybe? I have a hard time following Mar 31 09:32:43 but basically I guess it's just what been said in https://www.wired.com/2015/09/hey-fcc-dont-lock-wi-fi-routers/ ? Mar 31 09:32:56 oops sorry Mar 31 09:40:29 https://www.wired.com/2016/03/way-go-fcc-now-manufacturers-locking-routers/ Mar 31 09:44:19 I'm just happy we have no crap like DMCA here in Germany (yet?) Mar 31 09:45:12 btw AVM (Fritzbox, freetz) has also blocked custom firmware uploads in their latest firmware, already almost a year ago Mar 31 09:46:18 luckily there's a recovery tool that allows you to flash earlier unlocked firmware versions that in turn allow installing FOSS firmware like freetz Mar 31 09:47:34 of course you're out of luck if you fauled to backup that recovery tool locally in time, and eventaully AVM won't provide it with old firmware on their website anymore Mar 31 09:47:43 failed, even Mar 31 09:49:22 anyway, for me that just means: no more new fritzbox stuff from now on Mar 31 09:50:53 it's not as if we seen this pattern first time, right? look at almost all android phones Mar 31 09:51:55 which btw are also under very same legislation regarding FCC WLAN firmware lockdown Mar 31 10:10:26 DocScrutinizer05: the talk covers that, apparently Germany is going to be worse than what the FCC was proposing, with DMCA-style stuff Mar 31 10:12:34 I knew they are going worse with with that particular WLAN lockdown, but generally we have a law that allows RE of all levels as long as it's needed for your personal purposes of fixing bugs in that software, so a DMCA-alike outlawing of breaking digital locks is not exactly compliant Mar 31 10:14:27 DMCA outlaws the act of breaking a lock on a device, or even wearing a t-shirt with a unlock key number sequence printed on it. Can't see that happening here Mar 31 10:17:53 we had a similar funny law a 40 years ago: you must not listen to police radio. And when you accidentally do nevertheless, you must not even mention you heard anything Mar 31 10:18:39 I think they canceled that joke eventually, was too ridiculous Mar 31 10:19:18 and now it's obsolete anyway, with digitally encrypted communication Mar 31 10:22:24 their narrow-FM@~146MHz comm was already a joke when it failed in locations where cell phones just worked and thus urged police personal to do a phone call to their office instead of using their radio Mar 31 10:23:21 then they adoped a practice of always using GSM for any slightly security relevant communications Mar 31 10:25:21 then came TETRA Mar 31 10:25:50 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOS-Funk#Internationale_Einf.C3.BChrung Mar 31 10:26:59 Terrestrial Trunked Radio Mar 31 10:50:43 we have other fun laws here: 'hacker tools' like airodump are outlawed unless you need then on a professional level Mar 31 10:53:49 I think generally the US approach to legislation is way more centered around private claims into (intellectual) property while EU laws are more criminal legislation outlawing stuff that's considered detrimental to society at large Mar 31 10:55:53 I mean, when USA sentences a whistleblower for illegal using of a computer owned by employer, I fall off my chair laughing. Here we wouldn't even consider suing a whistleblower unless espionage laws or copyright violation apply Mar 31 11:01:01 let's start with basics, aka 'the army': here a soldier MUST refuse to obey an order when he has good indication that this order is illegal. The mere fact that there's such a thing like illegal orders here is remarkable **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 01 03:00:02 2017