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Feb 27 06:40:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mooo
Feb 27 06:40:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~moo
Feb 27 06:40:44 <apt> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
Feb 27 07:52:36 <mickeyl> pespin: alright. Although I refuse to reproduce this with ofono :-), I'll look into it!
Feb 27 07:54:53 <mickeyl> In hindsight I'm not sure whether dbus was the proper choice as IPC... but that's something to reconsider for Cornucopia2
Feb 27 08:41:58 <DocScrutinizer05> mickeyl: in hindsight you never been, you always hated dbus ;-D
Feb 27 08:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Feb 27 08:43:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I seem to recall you mentioning you considered to write your own CORBA(?) instead
Feb 27 08:43:41 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer05: you know what... this is true. I never really liked it. But it seemed like the best alternative to get as much bindings as possible. Yeah... CORBA would have been interesting.
Feb 27 08:44:02 <mickeyl> These days I would probably consider REST or MQTT or something like this
Feb 27 08:45:04 <mickeyl> anything that – after negotiation – can move to direct communication. Having every single message go through a message broker doesn't seem like a really good idea these days.
Feb 27 08:45:07 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Feb 27 08:45:37 <DocScrutinizer05> the idiots out there seem to stream video through dbus
Feb 27 08:45:46 <mickeyl> nah... really?
Feb 27 08:45:47 <DocScrutinizer05> rotfl
Feb 27 08:46:12 <DocScrutinizer05> been considered anyway for that automotive entertainment thing
Feb 27 08:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Feb 27 08:46:47 <mickeyl> the local-centricness of dbus is annoying me also. In theory it is possible to use it in a WAN, but in reality it fails every so often
Feb 27 08:47:36 <DocScrutinizer05> that's just because Poettering didn't succeed to move dbus to jernel ;-P
Feb 27 08:47:44 <DocScrutinizer05> kernel even
Feb 27 08:48:01 <mickeyl> turns out a socket isn't such a bad abstraction after all... given a minimal protocol and some guidelines. And then all people cry NIH NIH NIH reinventing the wheel *sigh*
Feb 27 08:48:14 <DocScrutinizer05> when that becomes a thing, I swear I move to bsd
Feb 27 08:48:27 <mickeyl> hehe
Feb 27 08:48:56 <mickeyl> After dealing with macOS for so long, FreeBSD doesn't look like a bad choice to me
Feb 27 08:49:09 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Feb 27 08:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the way ahead is along the ideas in QubesOS virtualization anyway, then it's basically irrelevant which "OS" you use in a container
Feb 27 08:54:07 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't solve the IPC though
Feb 27 08:57:27 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the smartphone market is saturated and dwindling. The only niche that has potential to prosper from now on is "secure and privacy aware phone"
Feb 27 08:58:02 <DocScrutinizer05> and implants ;-D
Feb 27 08:58:06 <mickeyl> heh, yeah
Feb 27 08:59:13 <DocScrutinizer05> wanna join a project to build a open hardware secure phone? :-)
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