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Apr 23 10:39:44 <mickeyl> Hmmm… ever heard of https://volkfi.com?
Apr 23 10:40:56 <sicelo> notme
Apr 23 10:41:01 <sicelo> android :(
Apr 23 11:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> MEH! yet another mesh?
Apr 23 11:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> GTA03/04/05 (got renamed/swapped names frequently) was already about that. And quite a few more identical projects since. Never will fly since you need an incredible critical mass before it enters "value zone"
Apr 23 11:10:43 * DocScrutinizer05 has the best "mesh phone" possible, since ages: SIP integrated into the normal phone dialer, from a commercial SIP VoIP provider (sipgate.de), using whatever internet connectivity is available
Apr 23 11:13:00 <DocScrutinizer05> and >>Volk One devices can connect to each other, from several miles away.<< HAHAHAHA
Apr 23 11:14:17 <pabs3> IIRC the charging stations are supposed to be what enables that
Apr 23 11:14:20 <DocScrutinizer05> >>They can also hop, to reach devices farther away.<< cutting through your battery in no time, without you even touching the phone, worse than what we initially seen with skype on N900
Apr 23 11:15:26 <DocScrutinizer05> finally, exactly what I said: >> And ***with enough devices*** around... Volk Fi crowdsources the Internet!<<
Apr 23 11:18:49 <DocScrutinizer05> there are countries/cities that offer nearly complete WLAN coverage... somewhere. In Germany for example however, the _only_ halfway decent WLAN coverage is a commwercial internet provider Vodafone who ships each DSL/Cable-modem with integrated hotspot (aka AP) and every user may connect to and use arbitrary APs within vicinity
Apr 23 11:19:37 <DocScrutinizer05> search for vodafone homespot (finder)
Apr 23 11:21:08 <DocScrutinizer05> https://zuhauseplus.vodafone.de/internet-telefon/wlan-hotspots/
Apr 23 11:22:20 <DocScrutinizer05> >50k APs in a 600k residents city like Nuremberg
Apr 23 11:22:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and still no complete coverage
Apr 23 11:26:11 <DocScrutinizer05> https://i.imgur.com/dGoQWJH.png
Apr 23 11:26:49 <sicelo> the DSL/Cable-modem is installed e.g. in my house? Am I allowed to disable that AP/hotspot?
Apr 23 11:28:33 <DocScrutinizer05> disabling the hotspot is possible but cumbersome, and you're no longer allowed to use any other AP when you disable yours
Apr 23 11:29:09 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it's the regular internet connection via DSL or Cable
Apr 23 11:30:22 <DocScrutinizer05> that's also the root cause of all problems: those modems are placed _anywhere_ under a table or in a locker where users like them to be, and thus their range on WLAN is <<50m
Apr 23 11:31:01 <DocScrutinizer05> also thanks to interference with other APs
Apr 23 11:32:26 <DocScrutinizer05> claiming >>can connect to each other, from several miles away.<< is ridiculous for urban area in Europe, no matter which licencing-free radio access technology 
Apr 23 11:32:53 <sicelo> i guess vodafone, obviously, also have a strong legal team for situations where a customer claims (or proves) they were hacked or somesuch due to the existence of a public hotspot in his private home/network
Apr 23 11:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> the homespots run on a segregate trunk, not related to the user account. And only vodaphone registered users can authenticate to those APs (prolly Radius)
Apr 23 11:37:11 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway bottom line: https://volkfi.com has the chance of a snowball in hell to reach critical mass *anywhere*
Apr 23 11:38:20 <DocScrutinizer05> there been other similar projects like freifunk or freenet which still all starve
Apr 23 11:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> let me rephrase that: their chance is that of a snowball growing into an avalanche, in hell
Apr 23 11:58:46 <sicelo> :-p
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