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Jun 17 17:14:43 * sicelo starts checking why fso was abandoned 
Jun 17 17:45:25 <rah> sicelo: it wasn't! :-)
Jun 17 17:46:04 <rah> there was movement recently but it seems to have died down again
Jun 17 18:42:01 <sicelo> thanks. i also see a couple fso packages are in sid! big surprise
Jun 18 00:51:00 <pabs3> sicelo: huh? I thought all of FSO was removed, which packages are still there?
Jun 18 01:25:16 <sicelo> a few, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fso&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
Jun 18 01:26:05 <sicelo> i alrwady grabbed the n900-specific ones and installed on my N900 running Maemo Leste/Devuan
Jun 18 01:29:33 <pabs3> looks like they are only in stretch https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=fso
Jun 18 01:30:33 <pabs3> the sid arm64 entries in your link are bogus
Jun 18 01:31:15 <sicelo> ah, ok
Jun 18 01:34:34 <pabs3> if you want them in Debian again, to start with upstream would have to become active again https://github.com/freesmartphone/
Jun 18 01:35:00 <pabs3> then the old packages on snapshot.d.o would need to be updated and reintroduced https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#reintroducing-pkgs
Jun 18 01:42:48 <sicelo> that would be quite an undertaking :-)
Jun 18 01:43:56 <pabs3> yeah, I guess thats why ofono is the favourite :)
Jun 18 01:44:16 <sicelo> i'vr never used fso. i was just briefly looking at (in particular, sre's fsoaudiod-n900) because he patched it for ofono
Jun 18 01:44:56 <pabs3> wow, I see some fso repos have commits in 2020
Jun 18 01:46:08 <pabs3> hmm, actually no commits, just activity of some sort
Jun 18 01:46:40 <sicelo> i'm just trying to get 'some' audio out of the modem in a voice call. i am aware it's expected to be low quality. it's nice that the motorola droid 4 has good voice call quality
Jun 18 01:46:54 <sicelo> oh that's nice & interesting
Jun 18 01:48:29 <sicelo> seems ofono is also gradually falling out of favor
Jun 18 01:52:51 <pabs3> sicelo: what replaces ofono?
Jun 18 01:55:45 <pabs3> hmm, github does not make it easy to find out what the updates were
Jun 18 01:55:55 <sicelo> no idea. modemmanager perhaps? for example purism started with ofono, then dropped it in favor of MM
Jun 18 01:56:45 <pabs3> hmm, ok
Jun 18 01:57:39 <pabs3> modemmanager came out of the gnome/laptop space, so that kind of makes sense, they are more aligned with that space than the old mobile/embedded communities fso/ofono come from
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