**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 09 02:59:58 2006 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 09 03:36:04 2006 Dec 09 04:20:20 Hi Dec 09 04:20:29 Any news on this phone? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 09 06:22:08 2006 Dec 09 10:11:33 am i having mailserver issues or wasnt there any traffic on the openmoko list for the last 12h or so? Dec 09 17:15:00 I would like an application for the Openmoko phone that could locate different phone uses via exchanging sms-messages containing positional information Dec 09 17:20:00 yeah there was a mailing list entry about that (though suggested gprs, but whichever) Dec 09 17:20:06 it would be handy Dec 09 17:25:09 Any chance al layperson programmer like me could work this out? Dec 09 17:26:11 yes! Dec 09 18:00:19 Well, I guess there is a lot of "lay" in this person. But how would I go about learning about the technical data necessary? Dec 09 18:02:40 right, so you 1, need to be able to get useful data from the GPS and 2 want to send it via sms Dec 09 18:03:54 so if i was you in the meantime i'd hook up a gps device and look at libraries for getting data/writing something yourself Dec 09 18:13:25 pretty hard to know how these things go in openmoko yet, but one supposes getting the coordinates in an arbitrary way isn't too hard... Dec 09 18:14:02 for sms, I've gotten the impression that the GSM part is controllable via standard at commands, so gsmlib and associated tools could provide access, but not sure on that count Dec 09 18:14:12 i take it the agps daemon will give us coordinates in a usable way Dec 09 18:14:19 yeah, somehow Dec 09 18:14:27 as for sms, i'd say openmoko libs will allow you to send em Dec 09 18:14:40 oh yeah, probably their apis will cover that :] Dec 09 18:14:41 of course Dec 09 18:15:14 shouldnt take someone more than a couple of days to write it in if it doesnt exist anyhoo (sms sending) Dec 09 18:15:25 oh it will exist Dec 09 18:15:36 few would consider a gsm phone without sms to be working Dec 09 18:15:52 aye ;) Dec 09 18:15:55 anyway, I'm more interested in having a location server somewhere (perchance your own, so you don't give your location to third parties, well, except the agps operator anyway), where people could query stuff if they have access. GPRS is oftentimes cheaper than SMS. Dec 09 18:16:13 i'd say use jabber Dec 09 18:16:31 maybe write a bot Dec 09 18:18:10 i'd say we get jabber on openmoko soon Dec 09 18:18:42 may be, and may be a workable choice, though does jabber let you spesify who are allowed to access your location data? Dec 09 18:18:56 a bot would surely allow that Dec 09 18:19:11 ah, you mean a constantly on-line bot Dec 09 18:19:22 not sure if standard jabber includes location Dec 09 18:19:32 but they are usually quite receptive to such enhancements Dec 09 18:20:10 I'm not sure about that... or well, an idle gprs connection shouldn't, I guess, consume a lot of power Dec 09 18:20:36 http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html Dec 09 18:20:44 http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0112.html Dec 09 18:20:57 they already have drafts for it it seems Dec 09 18:21:07 probably wont consume much power Dec 09 18:21:10 now as for cost... Dec 09 18:21:34 well, I'm not concerned about cost, since I get flat-rate gprs 10 euros a month Dec 09 18:21:40 me want Dec 09 18:21:42 but I can see the issue in some other places Dec 09 18:21:49 still Dec 09 18:21:55 it should usually be cheaper than sms Dec 09 18:22:02 yeah, most likely Dec 09 18:22:40 mhh XEP-0080 seems like it would do what you want Dec 09 18:22:56 not the most economical way of doing it thoug Dec 09 18:26:00 http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html#format quite rich Dec 09 18:33:32 i wonder, is there any open source navigation software for which i can at least BUY european maps somewhere? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 10 02:59:58 2006