**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 14 02:59:57 2006
Dec 14 03:14:44 <xxnull> where ca i download neo1973 to wok whit him
Dec 14 03:14:45 <xxnull> ?
Dec 14 03:15:56 <xxnull> where can i download neo1973 to work whit him?
Dec 14 03:16:15 <xxnull> somebody can tell me something ?
Dec 14 03:18:34 <xxnull> is hard to get assistance?
Dec 14 06:57:24 <CM> Hehe.. xxnull was a weird one
Dec 14 07:06:37 <CM> rox: Flash FS article: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9615245551.html
Dec 14 08:52:38 <aloril> umm.. this has Linux so it of course multitasks? For example once you have model that has WiFi support one could talk and browse net and take notes all at same time (small screen, so only one of these at time in screen, but clipboard should work) (just verifying ;-)
Dec 14 09:08:36 <hrw|work> yes
Dec 14 09:20:08 <aloril> great, combine it with wireless keyboard (Nokia SU-8W) == small laptop
Dec 14 09:20:58 <koen> finally!
Dec 14 09:21:04 <koen> someone who has seen the light
Dec 14 09:24:41 <aloril> one application with camera (if some future model has it): at shop point at product, press 'button' -> take image, ocr, google for product
Dec 14 09:26:43 <koen> ocr? try coding a barcode reader :)
Dec 14 09:26:54 <koen> Like 'Delicious LIbrary' has
Dec 14 09:29:51 <aloril> koen: that indeed sounds good
Dec 14 09:35:09 <aloril> one application that I'm sure I'm going to make: Go game using touch screen for placing stones, maybe even most of this idea: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Go_Teaching_Program
Dec 14 11:19:44 <mickeyl> morning
Dec 14 11:20:11 <LaF0rge> hi mickey
Dec 14 11:21:00 <koen> hey LaF0rge & mickeyl 
Dec 14 11:21:13 <mickeyl> 13 days until 23c3
Dec 14 11:22:09 <mickeyl> yo lardman
Dec 14 11:22:14 <mickeyl> how's it going?
Dec 14 11:23:53 <koen> mickeyl: 12 days till another event ;)
Dec 14 11:24:10 <mickeyl> how dare you remind me of getting older :/
Dec 14 11:24:27 <hrw|work> koen: 2 weeks to another
Dec 14 11:24:32 <koen> yep
Dec 14 11:24:42 <koen> how dare you remind me of getting older ;)
Dec 14 11:24:55 <mickeyl> hehe
Dec 14 11:25:00 <mickeyl> we're in the same boat
Dec 14 11:25:53 <mickeyl> gosh, i'm getting 35
Dec 14 11:25:55 <mickeyl> can't believe it
Dec 14 11:26:01 <mickeyl> where's the years?
Dec 14 11:26:23 <hrw|work> mickeyl: you lost them toying with pdas
Dec 14 11:26:30 <mickeyl> hehe. 
Dec 14 11:26:41 <mickeyl> "lost" 8 years for study
Dec 14 11:26:44 <mickeyl> then 5 for ph.d
Dec 14 11:28:47 <stefan_schmidt> hi all
Dec 14 11:28:54 <koen> hey stefan_schmidt 
Dec 14 11:31:02 <stefan_schmidt> koen, mickeyl: You have both birthday at the same day?
Dec 14 11:31:15 <koen> 2 days apart
Dec 14 11:31:30 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Dec 14 11:32:04 <mickeyl> I'm on the 26th of Dec, Koen on the 28th
Dec 14 11:32:47 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Ah, will you be already in BErlin at 26th?
Dec 14 11:33:00 <mickeyl> no, plane goes @ 07:00 on 27th
Dec 14 11:33:09 <mickeyl> i'll be right on time for the key note
Dec 14 11:33:12 * stefan_schmidt will arrive for congress at 26th evening
Dec 14 11:33:19 <stefan_schmidt> ok
Dec 14 11:33:34 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: we should exchange mobile phone numbers to meet
Dec 14 11:33:42 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: I'm mailing you mine in a minute
Dec 14 11:33:42 <stefan_schmidt> Will your wife come with you?
Dec 14 11:33:45 <hrw|work> 26 Dec I will celebrate oldnicknameday
Dec 14 11:33:46 <mickeyl> yeah
Dec 14 11:34:24 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: OK, I'll reply with mine.
Dec 14 11:35:32 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: I need to check the schedule for my spare time at 23C3, but what do you think about a lunch/dinner/meeting? 
Dec 14 11:36:08 <mickeyl> sounds good to me
Dec 14 11:36:13 <mickeyl> we need to drag LaF0rge with us
Dec 14 11:36:21 <mickeyl> although he's probably very busy
Dec 14 11:36:23 <mickeyl> (as always ;)
Dec 14 11:37:21 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: We should just take Sarah and he will follow us. :)
Dec 14 11:37:33 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: good plan :D
Dec 14 11:37:44 <mickeyl> can't wait to meet her
Dec 14 11:37:58 <mickeyl> although we have a problem if we talk too much geek
Dec 14 11:38:03 * mickeyl points to Sabine
Dec 14 11:38:52 <hrw|work> mickeyl: ;D
Dec 14 11:39:17 <koen> mickeyl: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/bolsh/2006/12/11/0 , second bullet point
Dec 14 11:39:48 <LaF0rge> mickeyl: i think 2nd/3rd/last day is fine
Dec 14 11:39:51 <LaF0rge> sarah will be there anyway.
Dec 14 11:40:20 <mickeyl> LaF0rge: ok, cool!
Dec 14 11:40:37 <mickeyl> koen: hehe, indeed
Dec 14 11:40:44 * mickeyl announces he'll make it to GUADEC2007
Dec 14 11:40:55 <koen> cool
Dec 14 11:41:03 <koen> birmingham, right?
Dec 14 11:41:05 <mickeyl> right
Dec 14 11:41:45 <stefan_schmidt> LaF0rge, mickeyl: 2nd/3rd/last day is fine with me.
Dec 14 11:42:15 <LaF0rge> well, I'm more likely to be busy on the first day (http://openbeacon.org/ at 23C3)
Dec 14 11:42:16 <mickeyl> very good. then we can make an OpenMoko/OpenEZX meeting
Dec 14 11:42:32 <mickeyl> and I like to introduce you both to one of the OE masterminds#
Dec 14 11:42:41 <mickeyl> Holger 'Zecke' Freyther
Dec 14 11:42:49 <stefan_schmidt> yeah
Dec 14 11:42:51 <hrw|work> mickeyl: get OE brainwasher
Dec 14 11:43:03 <mickeyl> no need to :)
Dec 14 11:43:32 * stefan_schmidt is eager to test LaF0rge sputnik stuff on congress. :)
Dec 14 11:43:44 <LaF0rge> http://svn.gnumonks.org/trunk/presentation/2006/oe_simputer-foss.in-2006/oe_simputer.mgp
Dec 14 11:43:58 <hrw|work> .mgp is?
Dec 14 11:44:05 <LaF0rge> hrw: magicpoint.
Dec 14 11:44:07 <stefan_schmidt> hrw|work: magicpoint
Dec 14 11:44:23 <LaF0rge> that was just meant as explanation that I don't need an OE brainwash
Dec 14 11:44:32 <hrw|work> something under linux opens it?
Dec 14 11:44:34 <koen> LaF0rge: there was someone in the #oe wanting to work on the amida for OE
Dec 14 11:44:37 <koen> ~seen anush
Dec 14 11:44:38 <LaF0rge> hrw: magicpoint ;)
Dec 14 11:44:46 <stefan_schmidt> But I need one. :) (Still using ezx-crosstoll only)
Dec 14 11:44:53 <hrw|work> ah. its structured text
Dec 14 11:44:56 <stefan_schmidt> s/oll/ool/
Dec 14 11:45:04 <apt> i haven't seen 'anush', koen
Dec 14 11:45:04 <apt> stefan_schmidt meant: But I need one. :) (Still using ezx-crosstool only)
Dec 14 11:45:04 <LaF0rge> koen: yes, i'm still working out missing pieces in the source code with picopeta. 
Dec 14 11:45:12 <LaF0rge> koen: they might even pay me to create bitbake rules
Dec 14 11:45:42 <koen> s/rules/recipes/g :)
Dec 14 11:46:29 <LaF0rge> http://svn.gnumonks.org/trunk/presentation/2006/oe_simputer-foss.in-2006/oe_simputer.mgp
Dec 14 11:46:39 <koen> "Since 07/2006, the first commercial user"
Dec 14 11:46:42 * koen coughs
Dec 14 11:47:11 * LaF0rge looks innocent into the sky ;)
Dec 14 11:47:30 <LaF0rge> I was pushed to put that talk together last minute by the organizers. no time to go through any review...
Dec 14 11:47:33 <koen> AMD, 4g systems, 10east, siemens and many more used it commercially before
Dec 14 11:47:46 <LaF0rge> I meant a different kind of usage
Dec 14 11:47:58 <LaF0rge> not just 'using' but actually basing a product and publicizing the tree?
Dec 14 11:48:41 <koen> amd and 4g have commit access and push to the main tree
Dec 14 11:48:59 <koen> the 10east stuff went through me
Dec 14 11:50:55 <buz> the simputer actually exists?
Dec 14 11:50:59 <buz> i thought that was pure vaporware
Dec 14 11:51:04 <koen> want me to commit http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/amida.conf ?
Dec 14 11:51:25 <mickeyl> ah that reminds me
Dec 14 11:51:35 <mickeyl> i wanted to do a more lenghty announcement to OE/Opie/OpenZaurus mailing lists
Dec 14 11:51:54 <mickeyl> about the relevance of Alchemy going OSS
Dec 14 11:51:59 <mickeyl> will do that later this week
Dec 14 11:52:05 <mickeyl> ouch, it's thursday already
Dec 14 11:52:07 * mickeyl sighs
Dec 14 11:52:07 <hrw|work> LaF0rge: nice tool that magicpoint..
Dec 14 11:52:23 <koen> mickeyl: alchemy as in cpus?
Dec 14 11:52:26 <mickeyl> no
Dec 14 11:52:36 <mickeyl> OpenAlchemy is the app framework 
Dec 14 11:52:39 <mickeyl> IIRC
Dec 14 11:52:55 <mickeyl> openalchemy.org
Dec 14 11:53:23 <LaF0rge> hrw: it's actually quite ugly and limited, but lightweight and lean. 
Dec 14 11:53:30 <mickeyl> and _fast_
Dec 14 11:53:33 <LaF0rge> hrw: if it took something like xml input, I would be more than happy
Dec 14 11:53:36 <mickeyl> blows both Opie and GPE away IMO
Dec 14 11:53:39 <koen> mickeyl: alchemy are also the cpus used in the FIC mediaplayers
Dec 14 11:53:46 <mickeyl> koen oh. heh
Dec 14 11:54:26 <LaF0rge> mickey: delay that posting until the source is known to build. 
Dec 14 11:54:38 <mickeyl> LaF0rge: they're still cleaning up?
Dec 14 11:54:42 <mickeyl> LaF0rge: any rough ETA?
Dec 14 11:54:52 <LaF0rge> mickey: at the moment somebody at picopeta is supposed to re-check that. ETA was one week ago :(
Dec 14 11:55:03 <LaF0rge> mickey: somebody has messed up when releasing the code that's currently there
Dec 14 11:55:17 <mickeyl> bummer. ok, just ping me when it's there. i'll prepare something in the meantime
Dec 14 11:55:36 <koen> mickeyl: that's why angstrom is going to make 'hybrid' images instead of 'pure' images
Dec 14 11:55:45 <LaF0rge> mickeyl: see http://openalchemy.org/pipermail/openalchemy-general/2006-December/000001.html
Dec 14 11:55:59 <mickeyl> d'oh
Dec 14 11:56:03 <mickeyl> i see
Dec 14 11:57:46 * koen looks at http://openalchemy.org/packages/
Dec 14 11:57:55 <koen> unversioned tarballs
Dec 14 11:57:58 <lardman> hi mickeyl, sorry for the tardy reply, not bad, you?
Dec 14 11:58:51 <mickeyl> lardman: pretty well, thanks
Dec 14 11:59:18 <mickeyl> hrw|work: thanks for pointing TriSoft to me. I wonder why they didn't ask me in the first place... guess they don't visit my blog :D
Dec 14 11:59:18 <lardman> mickeyl: You finished your PhD?
Dec 14 11:59:43 <mickeyl> lardman: pending the public defense which is scheduled for spring 2007
Dec 14 11:59:50 <mickeyl> but i don't expect any major problems :)
Dec 14 11:59:53 <mickeyl> s/major//
Dec 14 11:59:53 <apt> mickeyl meant: but i don't expect any  problems :)
Dec 14 12:00:05 <lardman> mickeyl: Cool, good luck. I graduated day before yesterday
Dec 14 12:00:13 <mickeyl> lardman: congrats!
Dec 14 12:00:14 <koen> ~seen anushs
Dec 14 12:00:15 <hrw|work> mickeyl: no problem
Dec 14 12:00:17 <mickeyl> lardman: what now?
Dec 14 12:00:21 <koen> lardman: congrats
Dec 14 12:00:22 <apt> koen: i haven't seen 'anushs'
Dec 14 12:00:43 <lardman> mickeyl: Not sure, working as research officer at uni atm, should probably get a 'real' job ;)
Dec 14 12:00:50 <lardman> koen: thanks
Dec 14 12:04:54 * buz is jealous
Dec 14 12:05:00 <buz> at least another 10 months until graduation
Dec 14 14:26:23 <hrw|work> ~seen [g2]
Dec 14 14:26:47 <apt> [g2] <n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 1d 11h 28m 40s ago, saying: 'runs linux source and build tools are out'.
Dec 14 15:38:00 <edwardocallaghan> Hi
Dec 14 15:38:28 <edwardocallaghan> I would just like to remind everyone never to order from scan.co.uk
Dec 14 15:39:05 <mickeyl> what happend to ya?
Dec 14 15:42:53 <edwardocallaghan> My last order last year, they sent a 1u cooler for a Xeon then my P4
Dec 14 15:43:28 <edwardocallaghan> Told them, said they where going to send the part never did... Stop answer emails they did not like the look of
Dec 14 15:43:44 <edwardocallaghan> This order they send me a broken hard disk
Dec 14 15:44:26 <edwardocallaghan> If they don't give me a full refund tomorrow I am going to my bank and tell them it's a forgulent payment
Dec 14 15:48:01 <edwardocallaghan> OK getting a RMA
Dec 14 18:00:09 <noidd> So, did I miss any hardware announcements? :-)
Dec 14 18:04:38 <robtaylor> mickey|tv: hey, it#ll be good to see you at guadec :) do you like curries? ;)
Dec 14 18:10:54 <dsp> hello all -- what is the story on getting the openmoko hw for those interested in getting "early access"
Dec 14 18:16:12 <noidd> hmm, curry
Dec 14 18:16:25 <noidd> the one thing that is impossible to get in North Carolina
Dec 14 18:16:30 <noidd> or at least a decient one.
Dec 14 18:18:42 <robtaylor> noidd: coming to guadec? :)
Dec 14 18:18:58 <noidd> where is it?
Dec 14 18:19:01 <noidd> and when
Dec 14 18:19:10 <robtaylor> birmingham, uk, june
Dec 14 18:19:38 <robtaylor> best curries in the world in birmingham :)
Dec 14 18:19:46 <noidd> Honestly, I'm not a great fan of Gnome per se
Dec 14 18:19:49 <noidd> I love Gtk
Dec 14 18:20:22 <noidd> I just don't like the whole "intuative is defined as emulating Windows" train of thought.
Dec 14 18:27:31 <robtaylor> noidd: mmm, thats really not what gnome does
Dec 14 18:27:47 <robtaylor> noidd: or at least, its not what we're trying to do
Dec 14 18:28:08 <myren_> the interface still feels like another desktop emulation
Dec 14 18:28:22 <myren_> i dont see how gnome can claim any innovation in the general desktop metaphor
Dec 14 18:28:45 <myren_> it looks geared towards accomplishing all the same tasks as windows
Dec 14 18:28:51 <myren_> whether or not it intends to be iwndows
Dec 14 18:29:16 <robtaylor> i'd agree, thats where we are right now (and was a necessary place to get to)
Dec 14 18:29:19 <noidd> thats how it feels to me as a UNIX user.
Dec 14 18:29:35 <noidd> I guess I like small, fast systems.
Dec 14 18:29:43 <noidd> GNOME doesn't fit into that mold for me right now.
Dec 14 18:29:45 <robtaylor> well, i'd say its more usable than windows, but that may be cos i use it
Dec 14 18:29:59 <noidd> although I do find the goal of shared widget libraries a great idea.
Dec 14 18:30:03 <robtaylor> well, thats one of teh main areas everyone's been working in
Dec 14 18:30:14 <noidd> almost as an extension to Gtk
Dec 14 18:30:22 <noidd> I'm cool with that
Dec 14 18:30:39 <noidd> but the whole having files on your "Desktop" and graphical file managers get in my way
Dec 14 18:30:49 <robtaylor> yeah, i don't use them either =)
Dec 14 18:30:50 <noidd> again, personally.
Dec 14 18:31:13 <robtaylor> but gnome's really more about the infrastructure nowadays
Dec 14 18:31:17 <noidd> If there is going to be an openmoko BoF there I will fly to the UK for it.
Dec 14 18:31:28 <noidd> but otherwise honestly, I have no interest.
Dec 14 18:31:42 <robtaylor> mickey|tv: know id Sean's coming as well? :)
Dec 14 18:31:59 <robtaylor> noidd: well openmoko is mostly gnome
Dec 14 18:32:05 <noidd> its at moments like this I hate Xen
Dec 14 18:32:09 <noidd> damn lack of documentation.
Dec 14 18:32:17 * robtaylor nnngs at Xen too
Dec 14 18:32:21 <myren_> i think there's a lot of places interface could diverge from desktop
Dec 14 18:32:24 <myren_> and be more UNIX like
Dec 14 18:32:34 <myren_> gobject is a good example, if sorely underutilized
Dec 14 18:32:56 <myren_> the concept of a windowed application is inherently flawed from my pov.
Dec 14 18:32:58 <noidd> You know what - I've converted the WINDOWS SERVER team here at work to using Linux on the desktop.
Dec 14 18:33:04 <noidd> and they use xorg with enlightenment
Dec 14 18:33:14 <noidd> and rdeskto
Dec 14 18:33:28 <myren_> an application is interactive only with the user, not other programs
Dec 14 18:33:28 <noidd> they use keybindings to fly from rdesktop to rdesktop session
Dec 14 18:33:36 <myren_> all interactions need to be pre-scripted
Dec 14 18:33:38 * robtaylor icks
Dec 14 18:33:44 <robtaylor> e17?
Dec 14 18:33:49 <noidd> e16
Dec 14 18:33:54 <robtaylor> double ick
Dec 14 18:33:54 <myren_> wow.
Dec 14 18:34:03 <robtaylor> thats the most buggy window manager i've ever used
Dec 14 18:34:12 <noidd> and feel free to ick, it's increased their productivity by 200% compared to a windows desktop.
Dec 14 18:34:21 <noidd> its BugFree[tm] here.
Dec 14 18:34:35 <robtaylor> well, thats as maybe, but its nothing you can't do with anyother setup
Dec 14 18:34:48 <noidd> thats true.
Dec 14 18:34:55 <robtaylor> esp if you have devilspie
Dec 14 18:35:12 <noidd> but since they use their Linux desktop as a way to display 10-20 rdesktop sessions at a time
Dec 14 18:35:19 <noidd> there is no need for anything more complex.
Dec 14 18:35:28 <noidd> devilspie?
Dec 14 18:36:11 <robtaylor> http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
Dec 14 18:39:33 <robtaylor> noidd: anyway guadec is half about planning the future. e.g. One thing me or travis reitter might be talking on there (if we've made enough progress) will be High5, which is a design to allow to orgainse workflow and communiation based on tasks and who you do things with
Dec 14 18:39:56 <robtaylor> which i think's pretty cutting edge and not following windows ;)
Dec 14 18:40:47 <robtaylor> being able to look at your history based on either too, which'd be pretty funky
Dec 14 18:41:03 <koen> robtaylor: you're still involved with ipcf/telepathy?
Dec 14 18:41:34 <robtaylor> koen: sure.. to a lesser degree of course now, but high5'll be using it and galago
Dec 14 18:41:56 * koen is in need of a videoconference thingy to play with
Dec 14 18:42:16 <koen> in a real language, not p*****
Dec 14 18:42:46 <robtaylor> koen: heh, hmm, well i think Zdra added audio conferenceing to gossip-telepathy a couple of days ago
Dec 14 18:42:57 * koen has lost enough time with crosscompiling python extension
Dec 14 18:42:58 <koen> s
Dec 14 18:43:30 <robtaylor> shouldn't be much work to add on teh video confernecing, though i think there's still some gst bugs in the video that cause it to be jerky at the moment
Dec 14 18:43:40 <myren_> uh, comparing devilspie to e16 is not at all fair
Dec 14 18:43:51 <robtaylor> myren_: umm, don't think i was
Dec 14 18:43:53 <myren_> e16 is massively ocnfigurable, absolutely every bit of it
Dec 14 18:44:04 <myren_> you cant frame windows in devilspie
Dec 14 18:44:26 <myren_> devilspie just lets you twiddle some ICCCM bits
Dec 14 18:46:51 <koen> robtaylor: can it be done with gst-launch on a cmdline as well?
Dec 14 18:47:54 * koen needs a cheapwebcam that's working with linux as well
Dec 14 19:01:39 <robtaylor> koen: umm, for simple, on the same network stuff, aye
Dec 14 19:15:09 <buz> skype does video conferences
Dec 14 19:15:14 <buz> but thats about as closed as it comes
Dec 14 19:15:51 <mjr> yea; ekiga does std. sip and h323 video stuff, I believe there are others as well
Dec 14 19:17:11 <robtaylor> mjr: telapathy-gabble has very goog Jingle support
Dec 14 19:17:35 <mjr> well, yeah, Jingle is okay too
Dec 14 19:17:57 <robtaylor> (its very good cos the guy heading up the support was simulatously fixing up the Jingle spec as problems were found)
Dec 14 19:18:22 <robtaylor> h323 is pretty foul
Dec 14 19:18:46 <mjr> yes well, I'm not saying it's a dream protocol to implement, no :]
Dec 14 19:18:58 <robtaylor> Jingle at least implemnts ICE of a kind
Dec 14 19:19:10 <robtaylor> ice for sip is still a way off atm
Dec 14 19:19:37 <robtaylor> and, depressingly, there's no open implementations atm
Dec 14 19:22:06 <koen> robtaylor: ah, that's good to hear
Dec 14 19:38:07 <buz> what video codec does h323 use
Dec 14 19:39:02 <mjr> h263 traditionally, I suppose h264 is nowadays an option
Dec 14 19:39:34 <hrw> mjr: if hardware is capable to decode it...
Dec 14 19:48:24 <robtaylor> buz: it's signalling proto, iirc, the standard doesnt specify codecs as such
Dec 14 19:48:53 <robtaylor> s/, iirc,/. iirc,/
Dec 14 19:48:53 <apt> robtaylor meant: buz: it's signalling proto. iirc, the standard doesnt specify codecs as such
Dec 14 19:49:11 <robtaylor> thanks apt, you're very helpful..><
Dec 14 19:56:45 * koen prepares some bad high5 puns
Dec 14 20:22:07 <stefan_schmidt> re
Dec 14 20:24:21 <koen> stefan_schmidt: wb
Dec 14 22:14:13 <dsp> does coreteam@openmoko.org work?
Dec 14 22:14:25 <dsp> getting bounces
Dec 14 22:15:41 <stefan_schmidt> dsp: hmm, it should. What does the bounces tell you?
Dec 14 22:16:22 <duffolonious> dsp: are you not registered for the mailing list?
Dec 14 22:24:04 <dsp> stefan_schmidt: 
Dec 14 22:24:15 <dsp> I am not registered for the coredev list
Dec 14 22:24:26 <dsp> I was inquiring on the coredev list per the website instructions
Dec 14 22:24:49 <dsp> got a message back which said: "This is a Delivery Status Notification (DSN).
Dec 14 22:24:49 <dsp> After several attempts,
Dec 14 22:24:49 <dsp> I still haven't been able to deliver your message t"
Dec 14 22:25:37 <stefan_schmidt> dsp: hmm, it should accept incoming messages.
Dec 14 22:25:56 <stefan_schmidt> dsp: Let me try
Dec 14 22:26:45 <stefan_schmidt> dsp: It is something private? If not the community list could be also a good place.
Dec 14 22:27:00 <stefan_schmidt> dsp: coreteam@openmoko.org you mean, right?
Dec 14 22:30:07 <stefan_schmidt> dsp: I have sent a test mail
Dec 14 22:33:09 <dsp> thanks stefan...
Dec 14 22:33:36 <dsp> and you were correct, I was emailing to coreteam@openmoko.org
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